Finals Averages: LBJ 28/12/8/2/2.4 on 50% Kyrie 28/3/5/0/2.4 on 49%

[Im Still Ballin]

Amazing duo right now.

[Dray n Klay]

The Fact that the Cavs are still down 3-2 with those two statlines speaks to how much of a negative Love is :facepalm



Cavs are flat out WORSE with him

[Im Still Ballin]

Here's the kicker

They're averaging 9 free throws between them

Lmao

[NBASTATMAN]

hey the big three went for 84 pts :roll: :roll: :roll:

kyrieomg

[Mr. Jabbar]

Vocaroo op, vocaroo pls

[plowking]

Kevin Love with 7 points and 5 rebounds a game! Don't forget him too!

On 37% shooting!!

[livinglegend]

Kevin Love with 7 points and 5 rebounds a game! Don't forget him too!

On 37% shooting!!
:facepalm

And some will blame Lebron for his play.

[Lebron23]

The Two-Man Power Trip

[Keno]

lebron finals mvp. :rockon:

[Mr Feeny]

A serious question.

Why doesn't the best player in the series win the finals mvp if his team loses. What does winning or losing have to do with an individual's impact. You could have one all time great who is single handedly keeping his team in contention before losing while the other team is stacked with players of a similar caliber.

I'm not talking about this series. I'm talking in general.

If the best player is on the losing team, then so be it. Don't insult our intelligence by crowning lesser players mvp.

[Prime_Shaq]

A serious question.

Why doesn't the best player in the series win the finals mvp if his team loses. What does winning or losing have to do with an individual's impact. You could have one all time great who is single handedly keeping his team in contention before losing while the other team is stacked with players of a similar caliber.

I'm not talking about this series. I'm talking in general.

If the best player is on the losing team, then so be it. Don't insult our intelligence by crowning lesser players mvp.
Because I think its extremely difficult and rare to actually look good while your team is losing.

[IllegalD]

A serious question.

Why doesn't the best player in the series win the finals mvp if his team loses. What does winning or losing have to do with an individual's impact. You could have one all time great who is single handedly keeping his team in contention before losing while the other team is stacked with players of a similar caliber.

I'm not talking about this series. I'm talking in general.

If the best player is on the losing team, then so be it. Don't insult our intelligence by crowning lesser players mvp.

Because they're not gonna' change the unwritten rules of competitive sports just to appease a bunch of f*ggot millenial Bron Stans that have convinced themselves that stat-padding while losing more finals than you win should somehow be rewarded.

:no:

[livinglegend]

Because they're not gonna' change the unwritten rules of competitive sports just to appease a bunch of f*ggot millenial Bron Stans that have convinced themselves that stat-padding while losing more finals than you win should somehow be rewarded.

:no:

In FIFA and many other leagues, they give the award to the best player and not to the best player on the winning team.
Why do they name it FMVP if they don't want to give it to the most valuable?

[IllegalD]

In FIFA and many other leagues, they give the award to the best player and not to the best player on the winning team.
Why do they name it FMVP if they don't want to give it to the most valuable?

And I'm sure those players feel like real "winners" standing there accepting those MVPs as part of a losing effort. :roll:

LeBron Stans in a nutshell. :lebronamazed: :lebroncry:

[ArbitraryWater]

Those are all stat padded by LeBron

[Mr Feeny]

Because I think its extremely difficult and rare to actually look good while your team is losing.

Fair enough. You really have to stand out. But it must be a bitter pill tos swallow if you're denied the MVP because your teammates simply aren't as good as the opposition. What more can you do besides give it 100%?

If the Lakers had lost in 2000, Shaq still should have gotten it.
If heat lost in 2012, Lebron still should have gotten it.

At some point, I think we do have to be smart enough to compartmentalise individual and team performances.

[IllegalD]

Fair enough. You really have to stand out. But it must be a bitter pill tos swallow if you're denied the MVP because your teammates simply aren't as good as the opposition. What more can you do besides give it 100%?

If the Lakers had lost in 2000, Shaq still should have gotten it.
If heat lost in 2012, Lebron still should have gotten it.

At some point, I think we do have to be smart enough to compartmentalise individual and team performances.

Kyrie is averaging 28, 5 and 3 on 49% FG, has had 3 straight games of 30+ points and just had 41 PTS on 71% FG you f*cking retard. :facepalm

[Dray n Klay]

Kyrie is averaging 28, 5 and 3 on 49% FG, has had 3 straight games of 30+ points and just had 41 PTS on 71% FG you f*cking retard. :facepalm

Gasol > Kyrie baby boy :cry:


:hammertime:

[bigt]

Fair enough. You really have to stand out. But it must be a bitter pill tos swallow if you're denied the MVP because your teammates simply aren't as good as the opposition. What more can you do besides give it 100%?

If the Lakers had lost in 2000, Shaq still should have gotten it.
If heat lost in 2012, Lebron still should have gotten it.

At some point, I think we do have to be smart enough to compartmentalise individual and team performances.

Kind of hard to compare, because for those series to go the other way you'd need far better performances from the other team, potentially making the point moot.

I get the reasoning behind thinking that way, but I'd also find it hard to say someone was the most valuable player in a 7 game series but couldn't lead them to victory. I think it's potentially knocking those who did play well on the other team. Not saying the person wouldn't deserve it for their play mind you, just that it's the type of award that should go to the winner. Kind of like awarding a player with regular season MVP but not leading his team to the playoffs.

[livinglegend]

And I'm sure those players feel like real "winners" standing there accepting those MVPs as part of a losing effort. :roll:

LeBron Stans in a nutshell. :lebronamazed: :lebroncry:

why are you changing the subject idiot

[IllegalD]

why are you changing the subject idiot

Why are you melting down, little girl?

[livinglegend]

Kind of hard to compare, because for those series to go the other way you'd need far better performances from the other team, potentially making the point moot.

I get the reasoning behind thinking that way, but I'd also find it hard to say someone was the most valuable player in a 7 game series but couldn't lead them to victory. I think it's potentially knocking those who did play well on the other team. Not saying the person wouldn't deserve it for their play mind you, just that it's the type of award that should go to the winner. Kind of like awarding a player with regular season MVP but not leading his team to the playoffs.

There's no way Igoudala was more valuable than Lebron last year.
If you take both away, Warriors win in 4.

[livinglegend]

Why are you melting down, little girl?

wow so original!


NEXT

[Mr Feeny]

Kind of hard to compare, because for those series to go the other way you'd need far better performances from the other team, potentially making the point moot.

I get the reasoning behind thinking that way, but I'd also find it hard to say someone was the most valuable player in a 7 game series but couldn't lead them to victory. I think it's potentially knocking those who did play well on the other team. Not saying the person wouldn't deserve it for their play mind you, just that it's the type of award that should go to the winner. Kind of like awarding a player with regular season MVP but not leading his team to the playoffs.Again, agreed. I was talking about situation like the 2004 pistons. None of them were superstars and nobody necessarily stood out. Shaq meanwhile was averaging 28 on 65%fg.
If that happens, and his second best player averages 38%fg , why is Shaq at fault? Why isn't he labelled the most valuable player?

[bigt]

There's no way Igoudala was more valuable than Lebron last year.
If you take both away, Warriors win in 4.

I think last year is the closest we'll ever get to seeing someone from the losing team win FMVP, and I don't disagree with the sweep prediction if Cavs had lost Lebron as well.

I just think it's the type of award that needs to be looked at in the context of victory. I see the award as "who contributed the most to their team's victory" and by that definition it's nigh impossible to award it to someone who's team ultimately didn't win. I know that's a personal interpretation of the award but I do think it is a valid one. Same way that players on non-playoff teams rarely if ever have a real shot at winning MVP. By certain definitions you could argue you take a Karl Anthony Towns/Anthony Davis type off their team they'd suffer the most (just an example mind you) but at the end of the day the award rewards victory. And I think Finals MVP should be considered in the same manner.

[Doranku]

Gasol > Kyrie baby boy :cry:


:hammertime:

lol Gasol could never dream of having a performance like Kyrie did last night. Simply remarkable what he was doing to the Warriors defense.

[NBASTATMAN]

lol Gasol could never dream of having a performance like Kyrie did last night. Simply remarkable what he was doing to the Warriors defense.


I AGREE HE IS NOT THAT TYPE OF SCORER.. BUT NEITHER IS KOBE... KYRIE OMG already HAS A BETTER GAME THAN KOBE EVER HAD IN THE FINALS...


:rockon:

[ImKobe]

I AGREE HE IS NOT THAT TYPE OF SCORER.. BUT NEITHER IS KOBE... KYRIE OMG already HAS A BETTER GAME THAN KOBE EVER HAD IN THE FINALS...


:rockon:

Kobe has had a series shooting above 50% in the finals

kobe has averaged more points at least 2 times in the Finals

not to mention Kobe being a better rebounder, passer, defender

please, go to sleep

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe has had a series shooting above 50% in the finals

kobe has averaged more points at least 2 times in the Finals

not to mention Kobe being a better rebounder, passer, defender

please, go to sleep

Lebron is is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, defender, shot blocker and teammate than Kobe and had a better finals game last night than any game Kobe has ever had in any finals game ever.

[Straight_Ballin]

Kevin Love with 7 points and 5 rebounds a game! Don't forget him too!

On 37% shooting!!

That's what happens when lebron tries to play GM. They wind up with a guy like Kevin Love. :lol

Bron made his bed so let him sleep in that bitch.

[ImKobe]

Lebron is is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, defender, shot blocker and teammate than Kobe and had a better finals game last night than any game Kobe has ever had in any finals game ever.

Kobe's Game 4 vs. the Pacers was more impressive from the standpoint that he came back despite being injured and played almost every minute and got the Lakers the 3 - 1 series lead with Shaq fouled out, hitting one clutch shot after another, or Game 3 vs Nets in 2002 where he had 36 on above 60% shooting with 15 pts in the 4th, where he hit one clutch shot after another

Lebron has never averaged above 60% shooting in the 4th in the Finals, Kobe did :rolleyes:

but you're too young to remember that.

Most of Lebron's points came in the first 3 quarters as he went ghost in the 4th, lucky for him Irving scored 10 straight points that iced the game, he got to 40 when the game was all but decided, just like when he padded his 6 points to get to 25 the previous game

it's a shame that Lebron loses another Finals series where his teammate averages 25+ ppg, imagine if Kobe had a player as great as Irving on his team in his prime years, we would have seen a 2nd 3-peat, and I'm not talking Finals losses :oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe has had a series shooting above 50% in the finals

kobe has averaged more points at least 2 times in the Finals

not to mention Kobe being a better rebounder, passer, defender

please, go to sleep


THAT WAS AGAINST THE SHITTY NETS... That dont count.. Shaq was being tripled and Kobe was able to go to the basket at will...

Never said Kyrie was a better all around player THAN KOBE.. Stop MELTING BRO

:rockon: :roll: :yaohappy:

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe's Game 4 vs. the Pacers was more impressive from the standpoint that he came back despite being injured and played almost every minute and got the Lakers the 3 - 1 series lead with Shaq fouled out, hitting one clutch shot after another, or Game 3 vs Nets in 2002 where he had 36 on above 60% shooting with 15 pts in the 4th, where he hit one clutch shot after another

Lebron has never averaged above 60% shooting in the 4th in the Finals, Kobe did :rolleyes:

but you're too young to remember that.

Most of Lebron's points came in the first 3 quarters as he went ghost in the 4th, lucky for him Irving scored 10 straight points that iced the game, he got to 40 when the game was all but decided, just like when he padded his 6 points to get to 25 the previous game

it's a shame that Lebron loses another Finals series where his teammate averages 25+ ppg, imagine if Kobe had a player as great as Irving on his team in his prime years, we would have seen a 2nd 3-peat, and I'm not talking Finals losses :oldlol:


Kobe was carried by Gasol so while Gasol is not the scorer Kyrie is he was great all around .... STOP MELTING BRO.. ITS ONLY A GAME...

No one is saying Kyrie is better all around.. Kyrie is a gifted one on one player but he doesnt defend ,rebound or play defense... That is the next step he will take to become great..

THE NETS REALLY :facepalm

:rockon:

[ImKobe]

THAT WAS AGAINST THE SHITTY NETS... That dont count.. Shaq was being tripled and Kobe was able to go to the basket at will...

Never said Kyrie was a better all around player THAN KOBE.. Stop MELTING BRO

:rockon: :roll: :yaohappy:

you haven't watched a single game of that Finals series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtiJ2AJ5cI


you don't even have to look past the first 5 seconds, Kobe drives in and is met by 3 defenders :oldlol:

scored over a double team to ice the game with 19 seconds to go :oldlol:

watch the game before you talk shit

[ImKobe]

Kobe was carried by Gasol so while Gasol is not the scorer Kyrie is he was great all around .... STOP MELTING BRO.. ITS ONLY A GAME...

No one is saying Kyrie is better all around.. Kyrie is a gifted one on one player but he doesnt defend ,rebound or play defense... That is the next step he will take to become great..

THE NETS REALLY :facepalm

:rockon:

the Nets made b2b NBA Finals with prime Kidd and K-Mart..it's not like they were the 2015 Atlanta Hawks

Gasol didn't carry shit, Kobe was the one who led all 3 Finals teams in points and assists, Gasol averaged what, 15 points 9 rebounds on 44% shooting on the road in the 2010 Finals? :roll:

Lakers lost Game 5 and fell behind 2 - 3 after Kobe had 38 on 27 shots while Pau had 12 pts on 5/12 shooting

carrying my ass

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe's Game 4 vs. the Pacers was more impressive from the standpoint that he came back despite being injured and played almost every minute and got the Lakers the 3 - 1 series lead with Shaq fouled out, hitting one clutch shot after another, or Game 3 vs Nets in 2002 where he had 36 on above 60% shooting with 15 pts in the 4th, where he hit one clutch shot after another

Lebron has never averaged above 60% shooting in the 4th in the Finals, Kobe did :rolleyes:

but you're too young to remember that.

Most of Lebron's points came in the first 3 quarters as he went ghost in the 4th, lucky for him Irving scored 10 straight points that iced the game, he got to 40 when the game was all but decided, just like when he padded his 6 points to get to 25 the previous game

it's a shame that Lebron loses another Finals series where his teammate averages 25+ ppg, imagine if Kobe had a player as great as Irving on his team in his prime years, we would have seen a 2nd 3-peat, and I'm not talking Finals losses :oldlol:



Err wrong again. Lebron's game last night is better than any Kobe game in the finals ever.
Lebron's current series is better than any finals Kobrick has ever had.

[Dresta]

Err wrong again. Lebron's game last night is better than any Kobe game in the finals ever.
Lebron's current series is better than any finals Kobrick has ever had.
:roll:

Imbecile.

[ImKobe]

Err wrong again. Lebron's game last night is better than any Kobe game in the finals ever.
Lebron's current series is better than any finals Kobrick has ever had.

so Lebron losing another Finals series is better than any Finals series kobe won?

you were saying the same bullshit last year when he chucked his way to a high ppg, only to fall short when his team was in position to go up 3 - 1 in the series, but obviously he choked in the 4th

and it's amazing how someone can go 2/7 in the 4th quarter (which he did in this game) with his teammate single-handedly scoring 10 straight points and icing the game, and be given all the credit for the win. Only Bran stans :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

Err wrong again. Lebron's game last night is better than any Kobe game in the finals ever.
Lebron's current series is better than any finals Kobrick has ever had.
two laughable statements.
09 or 10 Kobe on this Cavs team would've won them the series already, considering team would feed off his energy and he's a much better leader, so they take first two games and the come back home to end it.

[aj1987]

so Lebron losing another Finals series is better than any Finals series kobe won?

you were saying the same bullshit last year when he chucked his way to a high ppg, only to fall short when his team was in position to go up 3 - 1 in the series, but obviously he choked in the 4th

and it's amazing how someone can go 2/7 in the 4th quarter (which he did in this game) with his teammate single-handedly scoring 10 straight points and icing the game, and be given all the credit for the win. Only Bran stans :oldlol:
Dude basically averaged the same FG% as Kobe does in the Finals.

[ImKobe]

Dude basically averaged the same FG% as Kobe does in the Finals.

he shot below 40% and needed 32 shots a game with more FTA than Kobe ever had in the Finals to average 35 ppg

and it's nothing special when Kobe had 44 points on higher FG% than Lebron did against the same team, while Kobe was coming back from a broken knee at age 36 vs Lebron being in his prime

4 of Kobe's 7 NBA Finals appearances were played with teams being allowed to handcheck him on the perimeter, plus he played injured in 2000 and 2004, which affected his overall numbers when it comes to his finals averages, league in the early 2000s was at a low point offensively. Heck, Duncan has the worst TS% for any Finals MVP in 2005 vs Pistons

Kobe's FG% in the Finals never really dipped much from his regular season % while Lebron's FG% has dipped heavily (2007, 2011, 2013, 2015)

Kobe is a career 45% shooter, so him shooting in the low 40s is no surprise, but they play the game a different way so it's hard to compare their numbers as Lebron plays a different position and isn't a volume jump shooter like Kobe is, though teams in the Finals in recent years have made him a jump shooter and he's been terrible outside the paint in most games.

In the end, the stats don't matter if you lose the series, Lebron can fill up the stat sheet better than Kobe but when the game is tight, he is not superior as some of his stats would indicate.

People roasted Kobe's 6/24 game 7 but he had 10 pts on 4 shots in the 4th and facilitated the Artest dagger 3, Lebron in his "historic" Game 5 had 5 points on 7 shots, his and-1 came after Irving scored 10 straight points to ice the game with Cavs being up 13 with 3 minutes to go, Kobe hit the fts that sealed the title. But all you hear is 6/24.

[aj1987]

he shot below 40% and needed 32 shots a game with more FTA than Kobe ever had in the Finals to average 35 ppg
Kobe never averaged 35 PPG in the Finals. LeBron averaged 36 PPG.

LeBron - 36 PPG on 32 shots a game
Kobe - 32 PPG on 27 shots a game

They both weren't really far off. Also, LeBron averaged 13 rebounds a game and 9 assists in addition to his 36 PPG.

Besides,


and it's nothing special when Kobe had 44 points on higher FG% than Lebron did against the same team, while Kobe was coming back from a broken knee at age 36 vs Lebron being in his prime
And? Kobe never averaged 68% TS against the Spurs with the DPOY defending him.


4 of Kobe's 7 NBA Finals appearances were played with teams being allowed to handcheck him on the perimeter, plus he played injured in 2000 and 2004, which affected his overall numbers when it comes to his finals averages, league in the early 2000s was at a low point offensively. Heck, Duncan has the worst TS% for any Finals MVP in 2005 vs Pistons
:roll: :roll:

If you're injured, you're supposed to pass to the top 5 GOAT, who's destroying everyone in the paint. Not chuck up 23 shots a game and shoot your team out of a ring. Dude nearly got outscored by Austin ****ing Croshere.


Kobe's FG% in the Finals never really dipped much from his regular season % while Lebron's FG% has dipped heavily (2007, 2011, 2013, 2015)
'00:

RS - 47%
Finals - 37%

'01:

RS - 46%
Finals - 41%

'04:

RS - 44%
Finals - 38%

'08:

RS - 46%
Finals - 40%

'09:

RS - 47%
Finals - 43%

'10:

RS - 46%
Finals - 40%

You stating that Kobe's FG% doesn't really change from the RS to the Finals is not much of a compliment to Kobe. Just shows his terrible shot selection and low basketball IQ.

Then, there's this:

40+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 3
Kobe - 1

35+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 6
Kobe - 4

30+ point games in the Finals:

LeBron - 12
Kobe - 13

Total number of games played in the Finals:

LeBron - 33
Kobe - 37

Career Finals Average (Kobe): 25.1/5.6/5.1/1.4/.7 shooting 41%
Career Finals Average (LeBron): 26.2/9.4/6.8/1.7/.5 shooting 46%

Those numbers do NOT include this seasons Finals.


Kobe is a career 45% shooter, so him shooting in the low 40s is no surprise, but they play the game a different way so it's hard to compare their numbers as Lebron plays a different position and isn't a volume jump shooter like Kobe is, though teams in the Finals in recent years have made him a jump shooter and he's been terrible outside the paint in most games.
Kobe for his career average ONE shot more in the Finals than LeBron. ONE shot. So, GTFOH with the volume scoring argument. LeBron for his career averages 50% in the RS and 47% in the Finals. You're again making no sense comparing Kobe's RS and Finals %'s. Everyone knows Kobe is not really know for his FG%.


...
Neither is Kobe. Dude averaged 15 PPG on 37% and won a Finals. We can have this conversation about rings when LeBron can average 15 PPG on 37% and win a ring.


...
Kobe was gifted a shit ton of FT's in that G7. 10 points on 4 shots in nice, when you're taking like 10 FT's as well. You bring up Kobe assisting on the Artest shot, but fail to realize that LeBron went Magic and had 7 assists in the 3rd Q to basically put the Cav's up for good.

Lets also not ignore the 9 points that Gasol had in the 4th, while shutting down the paint. 6 points from Artest as well.

[plowking]

he shot below 40% and needed 32 shots a game with more FTA than Kobe ever had in the Finals to average 35 ppg



Kobe shot 40% against the Celtics in 2010.
Bron shot 40% against the Warriors in 2015.

Be completely honest with everyone, and tell us who had the better series out of the two. Who did more for their team?

[moongaze]

Here's the kicker

They're averaging 9 free throws between them

Lmao

This is what I'm saying. If you watch a lot of the highlights, pay close attention to Kyrie's shots. On a lot of his shots he's getting hit in the arm but no call. There's are allowing golden state to get away with a lot

[Mr Feeny]

two laughable statements.
09 or 10 Kobe on this Cavs team would've won them the series already, considering team would feed off his energy and he's a much better leader, so they take first two games and the come back home to end it.

No version or Kobe would have gotten out of the 1st round with these. We're talking about a 39% career elimination game player who chokes under pressure.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe shot 40% against the Celtics in 2010.
Bron shot 40% against the Warriors in 2015.

Be completely honest with everyone, and tell us who had the better series out of the two. Who did more for their team?

Is this a serious question plow?

One averages 36,13,and 9
The other barely did anything besides score on abysmal efficiency and finished the series with a 25% game 7 performance.

[dubnation]

Kevin Love has looked straight up awful this series. I don't want to hear about Minnesota -- I'm talking about what I see today. Dude matches up horribly with the Warriors and it's pretty embarrassing for him.