Seasons as a Top 3 player: LeBron vs Kobe vs Wade

[Dray n Klay]

How do they compare? Who has the most seasons as a top 3 player? Who has the lowest? :confusedshrug:

[Bankaii]

Kobe: 2001-10
Lebron: 2006-16
Wade: 06-11

Assuming Lebron keeps up his current level of play the next 2-3 years he'll pretty comfortable have the longest reign.

[ImKobe]

Wade's obviously the lowest

Kobe was top 3 from 2001-2010

also top 3 in 2012 and 2013

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe wasn't top 3 in 2005

[ImKobe]

Kobe wasn't top 3 in 2005

yeah he was injured but averaged 28/6/6, he was the best SG in the league regardless

Lebron averaged 27/7/7 but missed the Playoffs as well, and in the East with more help with Big Z averaging 17/9 with 2 blocks, putting up Pau type numbers

[Im Still Ballin]

Comparing Big Z to Pau

Aha!

[Straight_Ballin]

Comparing Big Z to Pau

Aha!

Big Z vs east competition compared to Pau against west competition = bron having more help against weaker comp.

[ImKobe]

Comparing Big Z to Pau

Aha!

17 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks per game

both Big Z and Pau had 1 all-star appearance to their name prior to joining Lebron/Kobe

[aj1987]

yeah he was injured but averaged 28/6/6, he was the best SG in the league regardless

Lebron averaged 27/7/7 but missed the Playoffs as well, and in the East with more help with Big Z averaging 17/9 with 2 blocks, putting up Pau type numbers
:roll: :roll:

Not even close. Kobe wasn't top 3 in '05.


Wade's obviously the lowest

Kobe was top 3 from 2001-2010

also top 3 in 2012 and 2013
:roll: :roll:

'12 and '13? LeBron, KD, and CP3 in '12 and LeBron, KD, CP3, and Melo in '13.

Kobe was top 3 from '01-'04 and '06-'10.

[Dray n Klay]

Wade's obviously the lowest

Kobe was top 3 from 2001-2010

also top 3 in 2012 and 2013



:roll: :roll:



Damn your delusional :roll:


From 2001-2010 Kobe was only a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007



That's only twice in the entire decade




So the answer is 2 - for Kobe's entire career

[feyki]

Lebron ; 07,08,09,10,12,13,14,15,16

Kobe ; 01,02,03,07,08,09,10,12,13

Wade ; 05,06,09,10,11

[SexSymbol]

Kobe 01-10 with 05 being somewhat arguable, then again in 11-12 and 12-13.
So 11-12 times depending on where you rank him in 05
Bron 07, then arguable in 08, and then 09-10 he's definitely top3, then the best in 12-13 and top 3 in 14-16.
So we have 8 plus one arguable
Wade 06 09 10 11
So 4

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron ; 07,08,09,10,12,13,14,15,16

Kobe ; 01,02,03,07,08,09,10,12,13

Wade ; 05,06,09,10,11



Kobe wasn't a Top 3 player in the years bolded



From 01-03 Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett were all better (even Tmac was better in 02, and 03) and A.I had an argument as better


No way in hell was Kobe Top 3 at any point from 2000-2005



And in 12-13 Bron, Durant, Westbrook, CP3 were better than Kobe every season




So at best Kobe was a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007, only 2 times in his entire 20 year season

[SexSymbol]

Kobe wasn't a Top 3 player in the years bolded



From 01-03 Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett were all better (even Tmac was better in 02, and 03) and A.I had an argument as better


No way in hell was Kobe Top 3 at any point from 2000-2005



And in 12-13 Bron, Durant, Westbrook, CP3 were better than Kobe every season




So at best Kobe was a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007, only 2 times in his entire 20 year season

When you have to reach so hard to make a terribly stupid argument

[Dray n Klay]

How the hell are people arguing Kobe as a Top 3 player any time from 2000-2005??


Dude was closer to a Top 10 player most of those years, and was never higher than #5 in any of those years

[Dray n Klay]

When you have to reach so hard to make a terribly stupid argument


Umm, Tmac was scoring leader both those years



I know you probably weren't born yet but...

[SexSymbol]

How the hell are people arguing Kobe as a Top 3 player any time from 2000-2005??


Dude was closer to a Top 10 player most of those years, and was never higher than #5 in any of those years
He was probably the best player overall with Shaq in 01, definitely top 3 in 03 and 04.
02 may be arbuable, but he had great finals that year, so it's hard to make an argument against him.
05 is arguable, but it's fair to give others the spot here, Kobe was injured a lot that year.

[SexSymbol]

Umm, Tmac was scoring leader both those years



I know you probably weren't born yet but...
wow, scoring leader.
well shit, this changes everything

[Dray n Klay]

wow, scoring leader.
well shit, this changes everything


Great! So you admit Kobe wasn't a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007 then?
Since being scoring leader means nothing?

[SexSymbol]

Great! So you admit Kobe wasn't a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007 then?
Since bein scoring leader means nothing?
Of course it doesn't mean anything, that's why Kobe didn't pursue that "prestigious" title in 12, though he could've easily won it at the end of the season.
Kobe is the best player in 06 and 07 because of the results that he managed to achieve with that absolutely horrific team in a manner that he did it.

[feyki]

Kobe wasn't a Top 3 player in the years bolded



From 01-03 Shaq, Duncan, Dirk, Garnett were all better (even Tmac was better in 02, and 03) and A.I had an argument as better


No way in hell was Kobe Top 3 at any point from 2000-2005



And in 12-13 Bron, Durant, Westbrook, CP3 were better than Kobe every season




So at best Kobe was a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007, only 2 times in his entire 20 year season

Westbrook :coleman:

Lebron was arguably in top 3 at 07 and 08 . Kobe/Nash/Duncan were better in 07 . Kobe,CP3,KG were better for 08 . But i put him cause he has a case . Same as Kobe for 01-03 and 12,13 .

[aj1987]

Westbrook :coleman:

Lebron was arguably top 3 in 07 and 08 . Kobe/Nash/Duncan were better in 07 . Kobe,CP3,KG were better for 08 . But i put him cause he has a case . Same as Kobe for 01-03 and 12,13 .
:roll: :roll:

No they weren't. LeBron was top 3 in the league from '06-'16. Kobe was top 3 from '01-'04 and '06-'10.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe: 2001-10
Lebron: 2006-16
Wade: 06-11

Assuming Lebron keeps up his current level of play the next 2-3 years he'll pretty comfortable have the longest reign.

Kobe 2001-2003 was behind Shaq and Duncan, at KG is in there too.

Furthermore Kobe had gap years in and 2004 and 2005. Especially 2005 where he may not have even been top 10. Shaq left and Kobe's game went up in shambles.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe had two gap years in 2003 and 2004. Especially 2004...he may not have even been top 10 that year.
Kobe was definitely top 3 in 03.
After Shaq and Duncan no one has a case over him

[feyki]

:roll: :roll:

No they weren't. LeBron was top 3 in the league from '06-'16. Kobe was top 3 from '01-'04 and '06-'10.

Chaturvedi's of L fan boys speaking :lol .

[tmacattack33]

Kobe was definitely top 3 in 03.
After Shaq and Duncan no one has a case over him

I mean 2004...the Malone and Payton year where he selfishly/Westbrookly chucked the team out of it in the Finals. Which was also KG's best year so the top 3 was locked in as Shaq/Duncan/KG.

And then the following year, Shaq left and Kobe seemed to have a hard time adjusting and was terribly inefficient all year and wasn't even top 10.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron has been top 3 since his 3rd year in NBA so a good 10 seasons. Argument can be made he has been Number #1 most of that time as well. Kobe maybe 7-8 years top 3 Wade has maybe 5-6 years.

[NBAGOAT]

imo, Kobe 01-02, 06-10. Decent case in 03 but I lean no(Duncan, KG, Shaq) and weaker case in 04(KG, Duncan, Shaq have stronger cases over him this year). Not a great case in 13 but he has one and is definitely top 5. Lebron would 06-16. You could definitely argue against him in 06, 07, 11, or 16 but he still has pretty good cases those years. Wade has the least 06,09-11 and that's pretty much it.

[aj1987]

Chaturvedi's of L fan boys speaking :lol .
What? Speak English, kid.

[feyki]

What? Speak English, kid.

Shut the f.kk up chaturvedi .

[aj1987]

I'm an inbred brain dead shit eating retard.
Agreed.

This should help you, BTW.

http://www.learnenglish.de

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe: 2001, 2006-2010

6x

Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011

5x

LeBron: 2008-2016

9x

Are people really putting Kobe top 3 in '02, or '03 with Duncan/KG/Shaq? :oldlol: Or '04, where he was utter shit? Some of you people need a reality check mang.

[NBAGOAT]

Kobe: 2001, 2006-2010

6x

Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011

5x

LeBron: 2008-2016

9x

Are people really putting Kobe top 3 in '02, or '03 with Duncan/KG/Shaq? :oldlol: Or '04, where he was utter shit? Some of you people need a reality check mang.

In 02 yea, KG wasn't 03-04 level yet that year. Starting to think one of Lebron/Wade has to be taken out for 2011 now since I'm pretty confident with Dirk and Dwight top 2.

[ArbitraryWater]

In 02 yea, KG wasn't 03-04 level yet that year. Starting to think one of Lebron/Wade has to be taken out for 2011 now since I'm pretty confident with Dirk and Dwight top 2.

Yeah, true, lets just give Wade/Dwight a tie that year.

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe: 2001, 2006-2010

6x

Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011

5x

LeBron: 2008-2016

9x

Are people really putting Kobe top 3 in '02, or '03 with Duncan/KG/Shaq? :oldlol: Or '04, where he was utter shit? Some of you people need a reality check mang.

Why are you including '07 for Wade? He played 51 games that year.

[Wade's Rings]

yeah he was injured but averaged 28/6/6, he was the best SG in the league regardless

Lebron averaged 27/7/7 but missed the Playoffs as well, and in the East with more help with Big Z averaging 17/9 with 2 blocks, putting up Pau type numbers

Iverson put up 31/4/8 on 42% in the regular season and 31/2/10 on 47% in the Playoffs. Wade put up 24/5/7 on 47% in the regular season and 27/6/7 on 48% in the Playoffs but Kobe was the best SG in the League?

[HylianNightmare]

1 LeBron
2kobe
3 wade

[aj1987]

Why are you including '07 for Wade? He played 51 games that year.
Yep. I'm one of the biggest Wade fan's on this board, but Wade was top 3 in '06, '09, and '11. 3 seasons. '10 is arguable as well.

[Wade's Rings]

Yep. I'm one of the biggest Wade fan's on this board, but Wade was top 3 in '06, '09, and '11. 3 seasons. '10 is arguable as well.

Who would you have over him in '10? He was also top 3 in '05.

[aj1987]

Who would you have over him in '10? He was also top 3 in '05.
Now that I think about it, Wade and Kobe were pretty much on the same level in '10. Kobe winning a ring puts him over Wade, I guess.

In '05, Dirk, Duncan, LeBron, and Wade all had arguments for top 3.

[NBAGOAT]

Who would you have over him in '10? He was also top 3 in '05.

05 is obviously not. Duncan, KG are obvious. You could throw in guys like Shaq, Nash and Dirk too. 10 could Lebron, Kobe maybe Dwight or Durant but I lean Wade top 3 that year.

[Wade's Rings]

Now that I think about it, Wade and Kobe were pretty much on the same level in '10. Kobe winning a ring puts him over Wade, I guess.

In '05, Dirk, Duncan, LeBron, and Wade all had arguments for top 3.


05 is obviously not. Duncan, KG are obvious. You could throw in guys like Shaq, Nash and Dirk too. 10 could Lebron, Kobe maybe Dwight or Durant but I lean Wade top 3 that year.

Wade had 24/5/7 on 47% in the Regular Season and lead the Heat to a good record in the Games Shaq missed, he then had 2 amazing series in the postseason (26/6/9 on 50% & 31/7/8 on 54%) and won back to back road games with Shaq out, he also played good against Detroit as well. Posted 27/6/7 overall for the postseason. I'd say he was Top 10 maybe an argument for Top 5 in the Regular Season but I feel the postseason propelled him into Top 3 but of course it's debatable.

[IllegalD]

Kobe Kobe Kobe Kobe Kobe. :( Pre-emptive meltdown because of the impending 2/7. :mad: :lebroncry:

:yaohappy: :hammertime: :dancin

[tmacattack33]

Lebron's been amazingly consistent. Unlike Kobe and Wade who had off years. Even MJ had off years when literally took off from the league.

Since 2007 or 2008, Lebron's been top 3. He's 31 and may be top 3 again next year.

A top 3 player for 10 years straight, with at least half of these years being numero uno.

A lot of people are going to be mad.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe was definitely top 3 in 03.
After Shaq and Duncan no one has a case over him

KG definitely has a strong case.

[scuzzy]

Lebron has been ranked as a top 3 in MVP candidates for 9 straight seasons, with 4 MVP's


Kobe Bryant was NOT ranked as a top 3 in MVP candidates in 98-99-00-01-02-04-05-06-10-11-12-13-14-15-16

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/


LMAO @ "Kobe 00-10"


The masses have spoke

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe: 10 seasons
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

LeBron: 11 seasons
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

Wade: 4 or 5 seasons
2006, 2007 pre injury, 2009, 2010, 2011

[aj1987]

Kobe: 10 seasons
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

LeBron: 11 seasons
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

Wade: 4 or 5 seasons
2006, 2007 pre injury, 2009, 2010, 2011
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You look delusional bro, everyone know Kobe was balling out of his mind before his Achilles rupture. :lol

Some of you make it way to obvious you're casual Basketball watchers and really more enamored with looking up stats and talking shit on forums.

[Dray n Klay]

You look delusional bro, everyone know Kobe was balling out of his mind before his Achilles rupture. :lol

Some of you make it way to obvious you're casual Basketball watchers and really more enamored with looking up stats and talking shit on forums.

Whats "balling" out of his mind?


Leading Dwight, Gasol, and Nash straight to the lottery, before they rallied to make the playoffs once Kobe got injured? :yaohappy: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Actually Kobe was easily top 3 in 2013. I think he was better than Durant. Dude dragged injured and broken down version of Nash, Gasoft, and malcontent Dwight to the playoffs. Kicking and screaming, a team with no chemistry he got to the playoffs.

[NBAGOAT]

You look delusional bro, everyone know Kobe was balling out of his mind before his Achilles rupture. :lol

Some of you make it way to obvious you're casual Basketball watchers and really more enamored with looking up stats and talking shit on forums.

lebron, durant, cp3, melo. Which two of those guys do you take out over Kobe? Even for someone like Harden, how is taking chandler parsons and jeremy lin to the playoffs not impressive? Don't think he was better than Kobe but deserves consideration.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe: 10 seasons
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

LeBron: 11 seasons
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

Wade: 4 or 5 seasons
2006, 2007 pre injury, 2009, 2010, 2011

:biggums:

here, for accuracy:


Kobe: 2001, 2006-2010

6x

Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011

5x

LeBron: 2008-2016

9x

Are people really putting Kobe top 3 in '02, or '03 with Duncan/KG/Shaq? :oldlol: Or '04, where he was utter shit? Some of you people need a reality check mang.

add '02 if you want.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:biggums:

here, for accuracy:



add '02 if you want.


In what world was 03 Kobe not a top 3 player :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

In what world was 03 Kobe not a top 3 player :oldlol: :oldlol:

In the world where '03 was a ridiculously strong top level year, and Duncan/Shaq/KG existed... but if thats all you disagree with.. :cheers:

[Dray n Klay]

In what world was 03 Kobe not a top 3 player :oldlol: :oldlol:


Shaq, Duncan, KG, Dirk, T-mac


AT LEAST 3 of them were better than Kobe

[NBAGOAT]

In what world was 03 Kobe not a top 3 player :oldlol: :oldlol:

in a world with duncan, shaq, and kg. Also, arguably tmac.

[ArbitraryWater]

pretty great post by ShaqAttack on '02/'03

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4863327&postcount=34

[NBAGOAT]

pretty great post by ShaqAttack on '02/'03

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4863327&postcount=34

damn what happened to ShaqAttack. I read his posts on here and realGM but he hasn't posted on either in awhile.

[ArbitraryWater]

damn what happened to ShaqAttack. I read his posts on here and realGM but he hasn't posted on either in awhile.

yea man.. great guy

[TheMarkMadsen]

In the world where '03 was a ridiculously strong top level year, and Duncan/Shaq/KG existed... but if thats all you disagree with.. :cheers:


Kobe was the lakers best player by 03, 30/6/7 with all NBA first team defense. Nine straight 40+ point games.

Top 3 in MVP voting and I know how important that is to you guys.

[GrapeApe]

This is obviously highly subjective but here goes:

Lebron: 2007-current: 10 years
Kobe: 2001-2002, 2005-2006, 2008-2011: 8 years
Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011: 5 years

From 2009-2011 they were the near consensus top 3 players. Theres's a few other years that Kobe and Wade may have an argument (Wade '05, Kobe '03).

[warriorfan]

None of these players as a Top 3 season suffered an MCL injury like Curry's

[ArbitraryWater]

This is obviously highly subjective but here goes:

Lebron: 2007-current: 10 years
Kobe: 2001-2002, 2005-2006, 2008-2011: 8 years
Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011: 5 years

From 2009-2011 they were the near consensus top 3 players. Theres's a few other years that Kobe and Wade may have an argument (Wade '05, Kobe '03).

Kobe for 2011 is a new one.. thats complete bullshit.

[TheMarkMadsen]

9 consecutive 40+ point games; 4th longest streak of its kind and joins Michael Jordon and Wilt Chamberlain as the only players to have had such a streak.

13 consecutive 35+ point games; 4th longest streak of at least 35 points.

Set an NBA record 12 three pointers in one game. (record stands today)

Averaged 40.6 points per game in a month; only third player in history to average 40 ppg in one month.

Career highs in rebounds (6.9), assist (5.9), steals (2.2) and 3pt% (38.3); these remain career highs to this day.

[Cold soul]

Kobe: 10 seasons
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013

LeBron: 11 seasons
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016

Wade: 4 or 5 seasons
2006, 2007 pre injury, 2009, 2010, 2011

Pretty solid list of years for each player.

[Dray n Klay]

None of these players as a Top 3 season suffered an MCL injury like Curry's

Umm, Curry wasn't a Top 3 player this season

[Quickening]

This is obviously highly subjective but here goes:

Lebron: 2007-current: 10 years
Kobe: 2001-2002, 2005-2006, 2008-2011: 8 years
Wade: 2006-2007, 2009-2011: 5 years

From 2009-2011 they were the near consensus top 3 players. Theres's a few other years that Kobe and Wade may have an argument (Wade '05, Kobe '03).

This is probably fair enough, maybe a couple years too much for Kobe, but not too bad.

[West-Side]

If Kobe played from 04-now, he'd be a top 3 player every year James has been. Bottom line, James competition is pretty pathetic. Not that hard to maintain the top 3 spot. Try doing that with Shaq, Garnett, Duncan.

Besides Durant, no one is on their level. Not even mentioning guys like prime McGrady, Iverson, Dirk.

[Hey Yo]

If Kobe played from 04-now, he'd be a top 3 player every year James has been. Bottom line, James competition is pretty pathetic. Not that hard to maintain the top 3 spot. Try doing that with Shaq, Garnett, Duncan.

Besides Durant, no one is on their level. Not even mentioning guys like prime McGrady, Iverson, Dirk.
Just like Magic and Kareem's competition in the 80's..... right?

[NBAGOAT]

If Kobe played from 04-now, he'd be a top 3 player every year James has been. Bottom line, James competition is pretty pathetic. Not that hard to maintain the top 3 spot. Try doing that with Shaq, Garnett, Duncan.

Besides Durant, no one is on their level. Not even mentioning guys like prime McGrady, Iverson, Dirk.

:biggums: prime Curry, prime CP3, and prime Dwight is pathetic? Westbrook honestly at his peak is comparable to someone like Iverson. Anyway part of the other guys looking weak is just Lebron looking better, his peak has a good case over Duncan and Garnett's.

[GrapeApe]

None of these players as a Top 3 season suffered an MCL injury like Curry's

In February of 2007 Wade suffered a dislocated shoulder, torn labrum, and 2 torn GHL's that required multiple surgeries. He still put up 27/8/5/2.1/1.2, led the league in PER, and averaged 24/6/5/1/1 in the playoffs with literally one arm.

[Real14]

LeBron 2 asterisks /7 or 3 asterisks/7

Wade 3 asterisks/5

Kobe 4 rings & 1 asterisk/7

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Just like Magic and Kareem's competition in the 80's..... right?

I hope you're trolling right now, "chico"

:oldlol:

[NBAGOAT]

I hope you're trolling right now, "chico"

:oldlol:

he must mean teams and in the West only too even though tht's not what west-side meant. MVP competition was stacked as hell with Bird, MJ, Dr.J, Moses and a whole bunch of great scorers.

[aj1987]

You look delusional bro, everyone know Kobe was balling out of his mind before his Achilles rupture. :lol

Some of you make it way to obvious you're casual Basketball watchers and really more enamored with looking up stats and talking shit on forums.
Dude was getting shit on for his amazingly pathetic defense. Teamed up with Nash and Dwight and needed an ATG rig job from the league, just to make the PO's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0&spfreload=10

That coupled with the FACT that there were better players than him in the league. Yeah, dude was not top 3 in 2013. If we're ignoring context and just going by stats, LeBron was a top 3 player form '05-'16. That's 12 seasons. Wade was top 3 from '05-'11. That's 7 seasons.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010
Lebron: 2006-2016
Wade: 2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011

2013 is up for debate, but I felt Kobe's defense was a pretty huge liability. That plus he didn't have the impact guys like LeBron, CP3 or KD had. You could actually argue Wade's 2013 season carried as much weight especially during Miami's 27-game win streak.

[sportjames23]

I mean 2004...the Malone and Payton year where he selfishly/Westbrookly chucked the team out of it in the Finals. Which was also KG's best year so the top 3 was locked in as Shaq/Duncan/KG.

And then the following year, Shaq left and Kobe seemed to have a hard time adjusting and was terribly inefficient all year and wasn't even top 10.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[CAstill]

Dude was getting shit on for his amazingly pathetic defense. Teamed up with Nash and Dwight and needed an ATG rig job from the league, just to make the PO's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MhmGyZ7KF0&spfreload=10

That coupled with the FACT that there were better players than him in the league. Yeah, dude was not top 3 in 2013. If we're ignoring context and just going by stats, LeBron was a top 3 player form '05-'16. That's 12 seasons. Wade was top 3 from '05-'11. That's 7 seasons.


You're a pathetic clown. Kobe dragged an injured and scrub filled team to the playoffs in the west that year. Nash, gasol, and Howard were all injured for most of the year and that team never even got to play together for long enough to see what they could do. Kobe was on fire that year and was putting up insane numbers after the all star break.

[aj1987]

You're a pathetic clown. Kobe dragged an injured and scrub filled team to the playoffs in the west that year. Nash, gasol, and Howard were all injured for most of the year and that team never even got to play together for long enough to see what they could do. Kobe was on fire that year and was putting up insane numbers after the all star break.
Howard missed 6 games and averaged 17/12/3 on 58% you ****ing inbred chimp.

The games in which Dwight got more than 10 FGA's, the Lakers went 30-9. Dwight averaged 23/14/2/1/3 on excellent efficiency in those games. 12-25 in games in which he got 10 or fewer FGA's (12/12/2 in these games). Kobe should've tried to involve Dwight more. In the Lakers' wins, Kobe averaged 25/6/7 on 48%. He averaged almost 2 whole assists more in the wins.

[West-Side]

:biggums: prime Curry, prime CP3, and prime Dwight is pathetic? Westbrook honestly at his peak is comparable to someone like Iverson. Anyway part of the other guys looking weak is just Lebron looking better, his peak has a good case over Duncan and Garnett's.

Of course he does but if he played at the same time as prime Garnett, Duncan, Dirk, and Duncan. He'd have less of a clear case of being top 3 from 07 to now.

Outside of Durant, no one is on those guys level.

Lmfao @ "prime Curry", how desperate can you be when you name a player who has become a superstar only in 2015. Kobe played for 6-7 years against guys I've mentioned who were in their prime. Even Dirk in 2011, defeated James.

Kobe had to also compete during Wade's prime years.

The competition is incomparable. I didn't even have to mention guys like Nash to make my case.

[West-Side]

Prime Howard is not prime Garnett, Duncan or Shaq.
Try to follow my logic. If those guys played from 07-now in their prime, they'd have seasons where James could arguably fall out of the top 3.

To me Kibe having 7-8 seasons against that competitiin as top 3 is simply more impressive than LeBron having more against his weak competition.

Simple logic really.

[ArbitraryWater]

Prime Howard is not prime Garnett, Duncan or Shaq.
Try to follow my logic. If those guys played from 07-now in their prime, they'd have seasons where James could arguably fall out of the top 3.

To me Kibe having 7-8 seasons against that competitiin as top 3 is simply more impressive than LeBron having more against his weak competition.

Simple logic really.

How come? :oldlol: Look at how weak the '02 3rd best player is... Kobe's 02 season isn't getting any top 3 mentions in 2010. His '04 and '05 seasons aren't top 3 in ANY year, nor his 2011/2012 campaigns.

He just hasnt been that consistently great to be year in/out top 3 like LeBron.

He was a top 3 player by his fifth season, LeBron would have been by his 3rd-4th, had he been drafted in '96. Just a much better player by the get go.

[sportjames23]

Ya'll arguing about how many seasons these guys were Top 3.

Damn that, talk about how many seasons a player was Top 1.

*points to user title*

[ArbitraryWater]

Ya'll arguing about how many seasons these guys were Top 3.

Damn that, talk about how many seasons a player was Top 1.

*points to user title*

that just makes it harder and more lopsided for Kobe stans though, lol..

this is us giving them a break.

[sportjames23]

that just makes it harderand more lopsided for Kobe stans though, lol..

this is us giving them a break.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

Jordan was only Top 3 for 7 seasons



1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1996
1997




Lebron has more elite seasons than MJ :confusedshrug:

[Dray n Klay]

Ya'll arguing about how many seasons these guys were Top 3.

Damn that, talk about how many seasons a player was Top 1.

*points to user title*


When are you gonna add the "-9" to your user title?

[sportjames23]

When are you gonna add the "-9" to your user title?


As soon as you get your first taste of *****.

[sportjames23]

Jordan was only Top 3 for 7 seasons



1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
1996
1997




Lebron has more elite seasons than MJ :confusedshrug:


Try 1988 thru 1998, fool.

[Dray n Klay]

Try 1988 thru 1998, fool.


1988


Bird

Magic

Isiah

Kareem


>>>





1998


Barkley

Malone

Shaq


>>>>




:confusedshrug:

[West-Side]

How come? :oldlol: Look at how weak the '02 3rd best player is... Kobe's 02 season isn't getting any top 3 mentions in 2010. His '04 and '05 seasons aren't top 3 in ANY year, nor his 2011/2012 campaigns.

He just hasnt been that consistently great to be year in/out top 3 like LeBron.

He was a top 3 player by his fifth season, LeBron would have been by his 3rd-4th, had he been drafted in '96. Just a much better player by the get go.

This dumbass isn't following simple logic

01' - 10' Kobe is a top 3 player every season from 07' to 16'.

Do you get that through your thick skull??
Even his worst campaign in 2005, he'd still arguably be top 3 in 10'/11' season. That's the prevelidge James has.

As far as #1 player, the competition becomes even more impirtant.
Of course James has more seasons.
His competition was 08' to 10' Kobe, 4-5 seasons of Wade and Durant.

Kobe has James, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan and Shaq. Plus Iverson and McGrady for a few years.

Please stfu.

Again LMAO @ mentioning Curry, Paul and Howard.
I'm naming all time greats, you guys are mentioning superstars who simply don't compare to the trio Kobe played against/with.

Even prime McGrady, Dirk and Iverson are historically better than Paul and Howard.

[ArbitraryWater]

This dumbass isn't following simple logic

01' - 10' Kobe is a top 3 player every season from 07' to 16'.

Do you get that through your thick skull??
Even his worst campaign in 2005, he'd still arguably be top 3 in 10'/11' season. That's the prevelidge James has.

As far as #1 player, the competition becomes even more impirtant.
Of course James has more seasons.
His competition was 08' to 10' Kobe, 4-5 seasons of Wade and Durant.

Kobe has James, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan and Shaq. Plus Iverson and McGrady for a few years.

Please stfu.

Again LMAO @ mentioning Curry, Paul and Howard.
I'm naming all time greats, you guys are mentioning superstars who simply don't compare to the trio Kobe played against/with.

Even prime McGrady, Dirk and Iverson are historically better than Paul and Howard.

Bruh, log out now.

Like I said, '02, '04, '05 Kobe, not making any top 3 rankings :lol

[aj1987]

This dumbass isn't following simple logic

01' - 10' Kobe is a top 3 player every season from 07' to 16'.

Do you get that through your thick skull??
Even his worst campaign in 2005, he'd still arguably be top 3 in 10'/11' season. That's the prevelidge James has.

As far as #1 player, the competition becomes even more impirtant.
Of course James has more seasons.
His competition was 08' to 10' Kobe, 4-5 seasons of Wade and Durant.

Kobe has James, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, Duncan and Shaq. Plus Iverson and McGrady for a few years.

Please stfu.

Again LMAO @ mentioning Curry, Paul and Howard.
I'm naming all time greats, you guys are mentioning superstars who simply don't compare to the trio Kobe played against/with.

Even prime McGrady, Dirk and Iverson are historically better than Paul and Howard.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron's competition as the best in the league?

Kobe - Top 2 GOAT SG
Wade - Top 3 GOAT SG
KD - On his way to being a top 5 GOAT SF
Curry - Top 20 GOAT
WB - On his way there
CP3 - Top 5 GOAT PG

Then you have Duncan, AI, Griffin, Kawhi, PG, KG, Harden, DMC, Nash, Dirk, etc..

You do realize that LeBron was in MVP contention since '05, right? His second season in the league.

The **** is "prevelidge", BTW?

[ArbitraryWater]

The **** is "prevelidge", BTW?
http://replygif.net/i/154.gif

[West-Side]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

LeBron's competition as the best in the league?

Kobe - Top 2 GOAT SG
Wade - Top 3 GOAT SG
KD - On his way to being a top 5 GOAT SF
Curry - Top 20 GOAT
WB - On his way there
CP3 - Top 5 GOAT PG

Then you have Duncan, AI, Griffin, Kawhi, PG, KG, Harden, DMC, Nash, Dirk, etc..

You do realize that LeBron was in MVP contention since '05, right? His second season in the league.

The **** is "prevelidge", BTW?

Uhm I'm talking about players at their prime you shit for brains.
Haha @ Harden, Cousins, Griffin.

I'm so done with this idiotic forum.

[West-Side]

Bottom line 07-16 James is not a top 3 player every year IF he played from 01' to 10'.
For instance, 01' Kobe, Shaq, Duncan >> 07' James.

Just an example. There are at least 2-3 years where you can make a case he isn't a top 3 player.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bottom line 07-16 James is not a top 3 player every year IF he played from 01' to 10'.
For instance, 01' Kobe, Shaq, Duncan >> 07' James.

Just an example. There are at least 2-3 years where you can make a case he isn't a top 3 player.

Nobody needs to have '07 James as top 3.

Try '08-'16 LeBron, you won't have a single year where you can exclude him, which isnt the case with the Brick Mamba... :lol

[aj1987]

Uhm I'm talking about players at their prime you shit for brains.
Haha @ Harden, Cousins, Griffin.

I'm so done with this idiotic forum.
I think you need to learn to differentiate between prime and peak, retarded shit.

Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, Nash, etc. were all in their primes when LeBron was contending for the MVP.


I'm so done with this idiotic forum.
Yeah, stick to RealGayMen.

[West-Side]

I think you need to learn to differentiate between prime and peak, retarded shit.

Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, Nash, etc. were all in their primes when LeBron was contending for the MVP.


Yeah, stick to RealGayMen.

From 07' to 16', how long were guys like Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk & Nash etc. in their PRIMES though?

Kobe played against guys like Garnett, Duncan, McGrady, Iverson, Dirk, Nash, Shaq etc. who were BOTH at their PEAK and their prime.

The difference is, their peak occurred during Kobe's time not LeBron's. Also, their prime years were far longer than during LeBron's time (08' - 16').

[chazzy]

Why isn't Kobe top 3 in 02? He was very clutch in the playoffs and had a great finals series

[West-Side]

Nobody needs to have '07 James as top 3.

Try '08-'16 LeBron, you won't have a single year where you can exclude him, which isnt the case with the Brick Mamba... :lol

LeBron from 09'-13', is easily top 3. He would be #1 most of those years too.
However, 08', 14', 15' & 16' seasons are up for debate. I'd have to carefully evaluate his season compared to the other seasons etc.

For instance, 2003 McGrady probably had a better year than some of those seasons by LeBron.

All I'm saying is comparing two players from different timelines, who played against vastly different competition is stupid and pointless. Both James & Kobe are legends in their own right, and both have a very comparable number of seasons where they were one of the three best.

LeBron certainly has an edge but again, I'm trying to add legitimate context to the comparison here. You guys are just dropping raw numbers.

[aj1987]

From 07' to 16', how long were guys like Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk & Nash etc. in their PRIMES though?
Most of them had their primes last the '10/'11 seasons.


Kobe played against guys like Garnett, Duncan, McGrady, Iverson, Dirk, Nash, Shaq etc. who were BOTH at their PEAK and their prime.
Kobe had PEAK Shaq on his team, you braindead retard.


The difference is, their peak occurred during Kobe's time not LeBron's. Also, their prime years were far longer than during LeBron's time (08' - 16').
Again, LeBron was contending for the MVP (on a losing team no less) since his second season in the league. That was back in '05. Dude was 6th in MVP voting that season. Even during Kobe's PEAK, LeBron beat him out in MVP voting. :roll:

LeBron shits on anything that Kobe has ever done. Deal with it, kid.

[NBAGOAT]

From 07' to 16', how long were guys like Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk & Nash etc. in their PRIMES though?

Kobe played against guys like Garnett, Duncan, McGrady, Iverson, Dirk, Nash, Shaq etc. who were BOTH at their PEAK and their prime.

The difference is, their peak occurred during Kobe's time not LeBron's. Also, their prime years were far longer than during LeBron's time (08' - 16').

Some of the guys you listed definitely had primes that overlapped with James specifically Kobe and Dirk. Tend to agree with Arbitrary except for like a year. 08 is top 3 in 02. 15-16 transported to 09-10 is arguable but ofc I'm assuming you take out younger Lebron. Lean no in 09 yes in 10. The thing is you could even put 06 Lebron in 00 and he has a decent case at top 3. Kobe's non top 3 years from 01-10 would be 02->08(CP3, Lebron, KG but likely 4th), 04->10(Lebron, Durant, Wade), 05->11(Dirk, Howard, Lebron/Wade), 10(Curry, Durant, Lebron). 10 is arguable ofc so don't hate on me too much for that.

[34-24 Footwork]

Half of the people on this forum haven't seen prime Wade play......let alone Kobe in 2000-2006.

They rely on box scores and highlights. Kobe had been a top 3 players from arguably postseason 2000-2013.

Anything deviating too far from this can't be taken seriously. If someone ones wants take out the 2005 season cause he was injured, fine.

But he's been top 3 since shitting on Timmy/Drob in 2000 and regarded by many as the best player in the league by 2001.

[West-Side]

Most of them had their primes last the '10/'11 seasons.


Kobe had PEAK Shaq on his team, you braindead retard.


Again, LeBron was contending for the MVP (on a losing team no less) since his second season in the league. That was back in '05. Dude was 6th in MVP voting that season. Even during Kobe's PEAK, LeBron beat him out in MVP voting. :roll:

LeBron shits on anything that Kobe has ever done. Deal with it, kid.

Playing with Shaq doesn't mean he can't throw Kobe out of the top 3 list, you braindead retard. We're talking about being on the top 3 list, Shaq is a COMPETITION to Kobe in that regard. Haha, what a ****ing dumbass you are.

LMFAO


Your last sentence is exactly why I'm putting you on ignore list. Another mentally retarded LeBron stan eating the dude's ass raw. Guy is a mental midget and his individual stat padding won't be what's remembered of him. It's the fact that come crunch time he folded like a bitch that he is.

Kobe's 08-10' seasons alone destroys anything LeBron has done in his ENTIRE career, when it comes to winning.

[riseagainst]

:roll: :roll:



Damn your delusional :roll:


From 2001-2010 Kobe was only a Top 3 player in 2006 and 2007



That's only twice in the entire decade




So the answer is 2 - for Kobe's entire career


:biggums:

[Dray n Klay]

:biggums:

U mad, baby boy?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Honestly, LeBron was arguably better than Kobe in 2008. I get that Bean won MVP and whatnot but LeBron had an awesome season as well, capping it off with that insane 45/5/6 performance @ Boston.

Not saying dude was better just that he was ALWAYS in the conversation, and then a season later, obviously pulled away.

[NBAGOAT]

Half of the people on this forum haven't seen prime Wade play......let alone Kobe in 2000-2006.

They rely on box scores and highlights. Kobe had been a top 3 players from arguably postseason 2000-2013.

Anything deviating too far from this can't be taken seriously. If someone ones wants take out the 2005 season cause he was injured, fine.

But he's been top 3 since shitting on Timmy/Drob in 2000 and regarded by many as the best player in the league by 2001.

Kobe was great all those years no doubt. When you claim he was top 3 from 02-04 and 11-12 however, you're ignoring someone from Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, and even Tmac the early years and Lebron, Durant, Wade, Dirk, and even Howard the later years. Do people forget how hard Howard carried Orlando in 11, had a good case for MVP.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Honestly, LeBron was arguably better than Kobe in 2008. I get that Bean won MVP and whatnot but LeBron had an awesome season as well, capping it off with that insane 45/5/6 performance @ Boston.

Not saying dude was better just that he was ALWAYS in the conversation, and then a season later, obviously pulled away.


Lol did you really bring that 08 Boston series to boost Lebron??


Game 1: four point loss as Lebron goes 2-18 with 10 turnovers. His team easily wins that game without that awful performance.

Game 2: 6/24 shooting (oh that's right we only bring that up if Kobe shoots that bad) with 7 turnovers.

Game 3: Cavs win by 24 while Lebron shoots 5-16.

So through three games his team is 1-2 with him shooting 22% for the series.

Game 4: cavs win again while Lebron shoots 35%.

He doesn't even get a chance to bounce back from those terrible string of games if his team isn't putting in work defensively and making up for his terrible offensive play.

Not sure how being able to shooting 26% through 4 games and still be 2-2 in the series makes him better than anybody else. If Kobe shoots 26% for the first 4 games his team would have been swept.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lol did you really bring that 08 Boston series to boost Lebron??


Game 1: four point loss as Lebron goes 2-18 with 10 turnovers. His team easily wins that game without that awful performance.

Game 2: 6/24 shooting (oh that's right we only bring that up if Kobe shoots that bad) with 7 turnovers.

Game 3: Cavs win by 24 while Lebron shoots 5-16.

So through three games his team is 1-2 with him shooting 22% for the series.

Game 4: cavs win again while Lebron shoots 35%.

He doesn't even get a chance to bounce back from those terrible string of games if his team isn't putting in work defensively and making up for his terrible offensive play.

Not sure how being able to shooting 26% through 4 games and still be 2-2 in the series makes him better than anybody else. If Kobe shoots 26% for the first 4 games his team would have been swept.

Kobe had a pretty awful series too, if we're being objective here (three straight games averaging just 21ppg on ~34% shooting, and that's WITH another offensive player he could lean on in Gasol).

I brought up Bron's performance in Game 7 because...its worth noting. Dude had an EPIC do-or-die, elimination game against one of the greatest defenses of all time. :confusedshrug:

[West-Side]

Kobe had a pretty awful series too, if we're being objective here.

I brought up the Game 7 because...it was awesome. Dude had an EPIC game do-or-die, elimination game against one of the greatest defenses of all time. :confusedshrug:

Sure, both superstars had bad games against Boston.
But you're willing to sit there and tell me that LeBron "arguably" was better than Kobe in 08', really? That's why I hate this forum. Even something so damn obvious is being questioned by James fans.

Go and re-watch what Kobe did to his opponents to get to the NBA finals that year. He simply was a better player from start to finish. Won the MVP. Made the finals in a tough western conference.

If rolls were reversed and it was James making ridiculously difficult shots against FOUR 50+ win teams in that year's playoffs, you guys would be calling this a no contest.

That's why I hate so many idiots on this forum. Their level of objection is non-existence. Kobe's 08' season was the complete package. I think that was his best year overall if you consider how he played within the flow of the game and was a great leader.

James best year is arguably not better. Stop sucking the dude off because he controls 95% of every possession and stat pads.

Seriously, there's a lot more to evaluating players than checking the damn box scores.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sure, both superstars had bad games against Boston.
But you're willing to sit there and tell me that LeBron "arguably" was better than Kobe in 08', really? That's why I hate this forum. Even something so damn obvious is being questioned by James fans.

Go and re-watch what Kobe did to his opponents to get to the NBA finals that year. He simply was a better player from start to finish. Won the MVP. Made the finals in a tough western conference.

If rolls were reversed and it was James making ridiculously difficult shots against FOUR 50+ win teams in that year's playoffs, you guys would be calling this a no contest.

That's why I hate so many idiots on this forum. Their level of objection is non-existence. Kobe's 08' season was the complete package. I think that was his best year overall if you consider how he played within the flow of the game and was a great leader.

James best year is arguably not better. Stop sucking the dude off because he controls 95% of every possession and stat pads.

Seriously, there's a lot more to evaluating players than checking the damn box scores.

I think you need to calm down, and take a f*cking midol dude. It's just basketball.

Again, I'm not saying LeBron was better, just that he was in the conversation. The same tier if you will - hell, maybe even 1A/B.

Guy had the impact stats (adjusted for the individual and non-boxcore) to back that up as well, so lets not talk about who's being "objective" here especially when the evidence support my posts.

[NBAGOAT]

Sure, both superstars had bad games against Boston.
But you're willing to sit there and tell me that LeBron "arguably" was better than Kobe in 08', really? That's why I hate this forum. Even something so damn obvious is being questioned by James fans.

Go and re-watch what Kobe did to his opponents to get to the NBA finals that year. He simply was a better player from start to finish. Won the MVP. Made the finals in a tough western conference.

If rolls were reversed and it was James making ridiculously difficult shots against FOUR 50+ win teams in that year's playoffs, you guys would be calling this a no contest.

That's why I hate so many idiots on this forum. Their level of objection is non-existence. Kobe's 08' season was the complete package. I think that was his best year overall if you consider how he played within the flow of the game and was a great leader.

James best year is arguably not better. Stop sucking the dude off because he controls 95% of every possession and stat pads.

Seriously, there's a lot more to evaluating players than checking the damn box scores.

I can agree with most of this Kobe's 08 being the complete package and possibly his best overall season. You lost me when you said Lebron's best year is arguably not better and that exaggeration with the controlling the ball 95% of the possession and statpadding however. Lebron 09 or 13 is better than Kobe 08 and it's not that debatable. I could say the same thing this is obvious and is only questioned by Kobe fans. Even on just the defensive end, Lebron was ridiculously impactful and better than Kobe even if Kobe was pretty good on defense in 08.

[ArbitraryWater]

You can just feel West-Side screaming against his computer screen :lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron was in the conversation in 2008. Heavily, along with Chris Paul. And both deserved it. KG? IMO was distant 4th to those guys, who on an individual level were just much more valuable to their teams.

And smh, Jordan was probably top 3 for a long time. Even as a rookie. 28 ppg 6 apg 7 rpg ... who does that? That's 2008 MVP Kobe nunbers.

And he was obviously top 3: 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98 ... so ten seasons. 11 if you want to include rookie season. And basically had 4 left on the table either due to injury or retirement in 86, 94, 95, 99.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron was in the conversation in 2008. Heavily, along with Chris Paul. And both deserved it. KG? IMO was distant 4th to those guys, who on an individual level were just much more valuable to their teams.

And smh, Jordan was probably top 3 for a long time. Even as a rookie. 28 ppg 6 apg 7 rpg ... who does that? That's 2008 MVP Kobe nunbers.

And he was obviously top 3: 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98 ... so ten seasons. 11 if you want to include rookie season. And basically had 4 left on the table either due to injury or retirement in 86, 94, 95, 99.

Word. Can't forget about CP3 and KG.

Unbelievable seasons from those two. Garnett had a BEAST of year on the defensive end, often times single-handedly anchoring that Celtic meat shield. Boston would've been SCARY good had he not gone down in 2009 (they were a better team that year, at least in the regular-season).

[feyki]

Honestly, LeBron was arguably better than Kobe in 2008. I get that Bean won MVP and whatnot but LeBron had an awesome season as well, capping it off with that insane 45/5/6 performance @ Boston.

Not saying dude was better just that he was ALWAYS in the conversation, and then a season later, obviously pulled away.

That's a nice arguement . But he was terrible on entire series against Celtics , beside of Game 7 .

Kobe was better against Celtics , generally . Also , I take CP3 and Garnett over Lebron in that year . But he had a case for top 3 . Not far from those 3 , specially with his defensive effort .

Btw , when i said defensive effort ; what happened to Lebron for playing like Garnett defensively . This finals probably greatest defensive force by a perimeter player in history . I do remember his 08 Celtics series and 11 Bulls series , Those were totally like Pippen level . But this one is new level .

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe had a pretty awful series too, if we're being objective here (three straight games averaging just 21ppg on ~34% shooting, and that's WITH another offensive player he could lean on in Gasol).

I brought up Bron's performance in Game 7 because...its worth noting. Dude had an EPIC do-or-die, elimination game against one of the greatest defenses of all time. :confusedshrug:


Yeah you brought up the game 7 but my point is that there wouldn't even have been a game 7 if Lebrons teammates weren't able to overcome his horrific first four games..

26% shooting through four games and his team was 2-2 in the series.

You bring up Kobes last three games, but do you not realize that Lebrons first four games were considerably worse and the only reason he was able to get to a game 7 was because of his teamms performance in the first 4 games were able to overcome his terrible play??

And lol at leaning on Pau Gasol and his 14 ppg. Did you watch that series? Gasol played softer than charmin, it was embarrassing how much he didn't wanna bang down low with KG and the rest of the Celtics bigs.

[chazzy]

Lebron was very good in 08 but I didn't feel like he truly passed Kobe until his jumper became consistent in 09. It wasn't there yet in 08

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah you brought up the game 7 but my point is that there wouldn't even have been a game 7 if Lebrons teammates weren't able to overcome his horrific first four games..

26% shooting through four games and his team was 2-2 in the series.

You bring up Kobes last three games, but do you not realize that Lebrons first four games were considerably worse and the only reason he was able to get to a game 7 was because of his teamms performance in the first 4 games were able to overcome his terrible play??

And lol at leaning on Pau Gasol and his 14 ppg. Did you watch that series? Gasol played softer than charmin, it was embarrassing how much he didn't wanna bang down low with KG and the rest of the Celtics bigs.

Lets be honest tho, if Kobe didn't have another offensive player who could draw HONEST defensive attention like Gasol, he would have fared just as bad if not worse. Historically, both their track records against the C's prove that.

LeBron had an awful series and you could argue the Cavs depending on him most possessions hurt their offense, but what other choice did they have? Its like the 2006 and 2007 Lakers. With meek talent you ride your best player ala Kobe.

Sidenote...why do posters ask if somebody "watched the game?" as if they haven't talked about it ad nauseum? Or in my case, having watched basketball since the 90s. :oldlol: Dumb.

[tmacattack33]

Lebron wins this by a good 3-4 years or so.

Wade and Kobe are closer.

Yet, there are hardly any Wade stans arguing for their guy here.

It is crazy how media attention can give one player about 300 stans all over the world, and another player at a similar level can have about 300 million.

I'm thinking this may change in the future with the ability to stream whatever you game you want, as opposed to watching whatever games NBC/ABC/ESPN/TNT decide to show nationally. And social media which will allow fans to be exposed a lot more to whatever player they want to follow.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lets be honest tho, if Kobe didn't have another offensive player who could draw HONEST defensive attention like Gasol, he would have fared just as bad if not worse. Historically, both their track records against the C's prove that.

LeBron had an awful series and you could argue the Cavs depending on him most possessions hurt their offense, but what other choice did they have? Its like the 2006 and 2007 Lakers. With meek talent you ride your best player ala Kobe.

Sidenote...why do posters ask if somebody "watched the game?" as if they haven't talked about it ad nauseum? Or in my case, having watched basketball since the 90s. :oldlol: Dumb.


I'm asking if you watched the games because you're saying Gasol was drawing attention away from Kobe in that 08 series, which is honestly laughable.

They put KG on Odom for the series so he could roam and play their little 2 to 3 man zone on Kobe which they threw at him the entire series. They let Pj Brown and Perkins handle Gasol, which they did.

I just don't understand how you think one game puts Lebron over Kobe when Kobe has three rounds in the playoffs of absolutely magnificent basketball. We're talking about a Lebron who still hasn't made an all NBA defensive team and had absolutely no jumper.

And when Kobe had "meek talent" in 06/07 he never played as terrible as Lebrons 08 Celtics series and he sure as hell didn't have teammates picking up the slack when he was struggling.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm asking if you watched the games because you're saying Gasol was drawing attention away from Kobe in that 08 series, which is honestly laughable.

But he did. :confusedshrug:

The Celts made a concentrated effort in stopping both of them actually. Yes, KG/Perk absolutely man-handled Gasol, but it still doesn't take away from Kobe having the luxury of dumping it down to someone that could at least DRAW defensive attention.


I just don't understand how you think one game puts Lebron over Kobe when Kobe has three rounds in the playoffs of absolutely magnificent basketball. We're talking about a Lebron who still hasn't made an all NBA defensive team and hand absolutely no jumper.

That's your problem...

Nowhere did I claim that. I've repeatedly said they belong in the same TIER and, along with KG, were debated as such.


And when Kobe had "meek talent" in 06/07 he never played as terrible as Lebrons 08 Celtics series and he sure as hell didn't have teammates picking up the slack when he was struggling.

Dude quit in a game 7. :oldlol: That's actually worse than LeBron going out there and clanking.

[scuzzy]

The Fams threads are always THEE most controversial

Love

It :applause:

[Dray n Klay]

The Fams threads are always THEE most controversial

Love

It :applause:


:rockon: :hammertime: :yaohappy:


Everybody arguing and catching feelings in this thread, and we're just chilling eating calimari and lobster waiting for Nigel to serve it to us.

[scuzzy]

:applause: :rockon: :hammertime: :yaohappy:


Everybody arguing and catching feelings in this thread, and we're just chilling eating calimari and lobster waiting for Nigel to serve it to us.

:roll:

so true, our tackle box is fckin huge man :lol

[chazzy]

Lebron wins this by a good 3-4 years or so.

Wade and Kobe are closer.

Yet, there are hardly any Wade stans arguing for their guy here.

It is crazy how media attention can give one player about 300 stans all over the world, and another player at a similar level can have about 300 million.

I'm thinking this may change in the future with the ability to stream whatever you game you want, as opposed to watching whatever games NBC/ABC/ESPN/TNT decide to show nationally. And social media which will allow fans to be exposed a lot more to whatever player they want to follow.
WTF is this load of crap? Wade has arguable had 4 top 3 seasons, 5 max. Kobes 7, 9 max. Get out of here

[Wade's Rings]

2013 is up for debate, but I felt Kobe's defense was a pretty huge liability. That plus he didn't have the impact guys like LeBron, CP3 or KD had. You could actually argue Wade's 2013 season carried as much weight especially during Miami's 27-game win streak.

'13 Kobe > '13 Wade according to Kobe stans because he was more valuable to his team and he carried the Lakers but of course this logic doesn't apply in '09 or '10 when the roles were switched for them. :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

'13 Kobe > '13 Wade according to Kobe stans because he was more valuable to his team and he carried the Lakers but of course this logic doesn't apply in '09 or '10 when the roles were switched for them. :oldlol:

Yup. To be fair though, Wade played alongside LeBron while Kobe had the better playoff runs so it gets kinda hairy.

Wade's 2013 regular-season was definitely on par with Kobe's if you're accounting for defense and playmaking. No doubt.

[Young X]

There's nothing idiotic about putting Bron over Kobe in 2008 even if you disagree with it. If anything, it's idiotic NOT to consider him in that conversation.

We really gonna sit here and act like that wasn't a huge debate back then? Let's be real.

Garnett also can be put in that conversation for the year he had. Anchoring one of the greatest defensive teams of all time that eliminated both Kobe's and Lebron's (while outplaying both of them individually).

[NBAGOAT]

Ya'll arguing about how many seasons these guys were Top 3.

Damn that, talk about how many seasons a player was Top 1.

*points to user title*

Mj might not actually win this category. Mj has most likely 9 years 88-93 96-98. Kareem has arguably 10 from 71-80. :D

[GrapeApe]

WTF is this load of crap? Wade has arguable had 4 top 3 seasons, 5 max. Kobes 7, 9 max. Get out of here

Kobe has more top 3 seasons than Wade, but Wade has a minimum of 5 (2006-2007, 2009-2011) and an argument for 2005 and 2012.

2005 Wade averaged 24/7/5/2/1 on 48% in the regular season and 27/7/6/2/1 on 48% in the playoffs. He carried the Heat to the ECF with a hobbled Shaq and was 2-0 without Shaq in the playoffs.

In 2012 Wade had the 3rd best PER in the league, was great in the playoffs, and won a championship. He battled some injuries that season, but he was arguably still a top 3 player when healthy. He was every bit the superstar he was in 2011, despite having a slightly reduced role.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm REALLY close right now to putting Bron > Kobe in '08, considering he had an up to par (at least) regular season, and did just a bit worse against the Celtics, with worse offensive talent/help around him... interesting

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe has more top 3 seasons than Wade, but Wade has a minimum of 5 (2006-2007, 2009-2011) and an argument for 2005 and 2012.

2005 Wade averaged 24/7/5/2/1 on 48% in the regular season and 27/7/6/2/1 on 48% in the playoffs. He carried the Heat to the ECF with a hobbled Shaq and was 2-0 without Shaq in the playoffs.

In 2012 Wade had the 3rd best PER in the league, was great in the playoffs, and won a championship. He battled some injuries that season, but he was arguably still a top 3 player when healthy. He was every bit the superstar he was in 2011, despite having a slightly reduced role.

You HAVE to stop this shit, dude... saying stuff like Kobe was top 3 in 2011, Wade was top 3 in 2012, or Kobe wasnt a mediocre finals performer, and using some weird guard analogy to justify it... youve been wrong alot lately.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm REALLY close right now to putting Bron > Kobe in '08, considering he had an up to par (at least) regular season, and did just a bit worse against the Celtics, with worse offensive talent/help around him... interesting

Like Young X said, only idiots think it wasn't close.

So basically Kobe fans. :oldlol:

"Stop looking at box-scores" ... Then you realize LeBron had GREATER impact numbers which actually deviate from RAW box-scores. Ouch.

[SexSymbol]

I'm REALLY close right now to putting Bron > Kobe in '08, considering he had an up to par (at least) regular season, and did just a bit worse against the Celtics, with worse offensive talent/help around him... interesting
....jesus.
Get some help man, the hate is unreal.
Did you even watch lakers - spurs that year or at least some bits of the regular season or playoffs? C'mon man.
Unheard of, trully sad

[chazzy]

I'm REALLY close right now to putting Bron > Kobe in '08, considering he had an up to par (at least) regular season, and did just a bit worse against the Celtics, with worse offensive talent/help around him... interesting
With that logic you have to be really close to putting Wade above Lebron in 2011 because he played better than him against the Mavs with less help :lol

[NBAGOAT]

With that logic you have to be really close to putting Wade above Lebron in 2011 because he played better than him against the Mavs with less help :lol

they're on the same team. You're technically right but that's it, this logic is hilarious, maybe the best spin I've seen on ISH. It's completely not comparable to two guys on different teams :lol , Also, a lot of people have np putting Wade above Lebron that year,

[ArbitraryWater]

Like Young X said, only idiots think it wasn't close.

So basically Kobe fans. :oldlol:

"Stop looking at box-scores" ... Then you realize LeBron had GREATER impact numbers which actually deviate from RAW box-scores. Ouch.

Go through his '07-'08 game logs, man. If LeBron played bad, it almost always meant a loss. They were 0-7 without him.

He averaged 30/8/7 in a slow paced offense, on the D'Antoni Suns he would have averaged a triple double :biggums:

[branslowski]

....jesus.
Get some help man, the hate is unreal.
Did you even watch lakers - spurs that year or at least some bits of the regular season or playoffs? C'mon man.
Unheard of, trully sad

You can tell most of these posters never even truly watched NBA before LeBron as soon as they say Shaq carried Kobe all the way to the Finals when at the Time the Lakers were known as Shaq and Kobe n everyone else. You can tell they didn't watch Kobe during those Conference finals vs Kings or Spurs, or what Kobe did in early rounds to KGs Wolves. They don't understand simple game plan, if you're going against Rik Smits, Todd McCullough, and skinny Mutumbo that iys actually better you take advantage of that, especially when you have Shaq. Then they say Gasol carried Kobe, yet Kobe with Shaq during the playoffs had greater numbers than Gasol with Kobe...I know they are trolling, but its a way to troll and still make sense. F*ckin idiots.:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

With that logic you have to be really close to putting Wade above Lebron in 2011 because he played better than him against the Mavs with less help :lol

again its a completely different situation... you're going the Mark Madsen route right now, taking one similarity and acting like its the end all/be all... case for case context. Not even adressing the fact they were on the same team lol.

[Just2McFly]

Lebron from 06- Present

Kobe from 03- 2011/2012

Wade from 05-11

[NBAGOAT]

You can tell most of these posters never even truly watched NBA before LeBron as soon as they say Shaq carried Kobe all the way to the Finals when at the Time the Lakers were known as Shaq and Kobe n everyone else. You can tell they didn't watch Kobe during those Conference finals vs Kings or Spurs, or what Kobe did in early rounds to KGs Wolves. They don't understand simple game plan, if you're going against Rik Smits, Todd McCullough, and skinny Mutumbo that iys actually better you take advantage of that, especially when you have Shaq. Then they say Gasol carried Kobe, yet Kobe with Shaq during the playoffs had greater numbers than Gasol with Kobe...I know they are trolling, but its a way to troll and still make sense. F*ckin idiots.:facepalm

wait a second. Why do you have to throw out the centers Shaq faced as scrubs(and lol at skinny Mutombo he was still great on defense that year). He was as formidable as someone like Bowen or Chrstie. Why not also mention the Spurs had Antonio Daniels in 01 and the Twolves had guys like Anthony Peeler starting. Kobe took advantage of them just like the Shaq took advantage of Smits and Todd. No one here said Gasol carried Kobe but one thing to consider about what you said is Kobe's numbers from 08-10 weren't as good as Shaq's either. There are guys who have been good 1st options who would clearly be 3rd options on those Laker teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Go through his '07-'08 game logs, man. If LeBron played bad, it almost always meant a loss. They were 0-7 without him.

He averaged 30/8/7 in a slow paced offense, on the D'Antoni Suns he would have averaged a triple double :biggums:

Bron was unreal that season. Better jumper than years previously, and was reaching his 09 form which is STILL arguably his greatest year (2012 and 2014 are his best, IMO).

I'm not one to spew garbage like, "Kobe's never been better than him!" or that "they aren't even close ALL TIME!!". I'm just keeping perspective and calling a spade a spade - Bron was THAT dude, carrying pathetic rosters with Mike f*cking Brown. :oldlol:

The same guy Kobe shot his laser beams at:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kobe-Bryant-Stares-Down-Coach-Mike-Brown-Lakers-Jazz-Game.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

'09/'10 Bron is the greatest physical specimen to ever step on a basketball court... and a respectable J. Ultra dominance. Did what he wanted.

Had people believing Mo Williams would be a sufficient sidekick and make them title favorites :oldlol:

[Odinn]

LeBron; 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 (have a case for 2007)
Kobe; 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 (have a case for 2002 and 2003)
Wade; 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011 (have a case for 2005)

LeBron; 9+1
Kobe; 6+2
Wade; 4+1

[NBAGOAT]

LeBron; 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 (have a case for 2007)
Kobe; 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 (have a case for 2002 and 2003)
Wade; 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011 (have a case for 2005)

LeBron; 9+1
Kobe; 6+2
Wade; 4+1

question for you for 11 and others here too since most have Lebron and Wade in 11. Who do you leave out 11 for Dirk and Dwight. Really can't see either not being top 3.

[ArbitraryWater]

question for you for 11 and others here too since most have Lebron and Wade in 11. Who do you leave out 11 for Dirk and Dwight. Really can't see either not being top 3.

nobody is leaving out Dirk. Its just a thing where you like put two for third, Im guessing Dwight/Wade. If youd ask 'Dirk top seasons' everyone is including '11, as well.

[NBAGOAT]

nobody is leaving out Dirk. Its just a thing where you like put two for third, Im guessing Dwight/Wade. If youd ask 'Dirk top seasons' everyone is including '11, as well.

Yea Dirk's a given. 11 along with maybe 06 are his best years. Still I don't see how you could leave Dwight out either. That Magic team was not good and he got them to 52 wins. We laugh at his post game now but he was pretty good back then using his athleticism and had a decent hook shot. Also, 23/14 on 62TS% with DPOY level defense is ridiculous and he had a great case for MVP.

[TheNaturalWR]

Watched every single Heat game of the 2011 season. Wade and LeBron were literally neck and neck. Wade was arguably the best player in the league that year. It's an extremely underrated season from him. Quite honestly, I have it #2 behind 09' Wade. Aside from the Bulls series, he was amazing.

[Odinn]

question for you for 11 and others here too since most have Lebron and Wade in 11. Who do you leave out 11 for Dirk and Dwight. Really can't see either not being top 3.
Dwight is #4 on my 2011 list. Wonder why people try to overlook Wade. LeBron is a ball-dominant player and due to that he had slightly better numbers. But Wade was just as impactful as LeBron.

[Stringer Bell]

It's crazy to think that Kobe might not be top 3 in 2002-03 when he went on that crazy scoring tear along with being All-Defensive First Team. He was great that year but so was Duncan (all-time great postseason run), Shaq, and Garnett.

Actually for 2001 through 2004, in no order it's Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Garnett as the top 4, so it's up for debate how many times Kobe was top 3. Shaq's numbers actually dropped quite a bit from 2002/03 to 2003/04, but he obviously remained a huge impact. Kobe's numbers also dropped over those 2 years.

After that, it's 2006-10 for Kobe. That puts the range from 5 to 9 seasons.

LeBron's been top 3 every season from say, 2008-on? You can argue 2006 and 2007, so his range is 9 to 11 seasons as top 3.

Wade you can argue up to 4 seasons: 2006, 2009-11

[ImKobe]

It's crazy to think that Kobe might not be top 3 in 2002-03 when he went on that crazy scoring tear along with being All-Defensive First Team. He was great that year but so was Duncan (all-time great postseason run), Shaq, and Garnett.

Actually for 2001 through 2004, in no order it's Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, and Garnett as the top 4, so it's up for debate how many times Kobe was top 3. Shaq's numbers actually dropped quite a bit from 2002/03 to 2003/04, but he obviously remained a huge impact. Kobe's numbers also dropped over those 2 years.

After that, it's 2006-10 for Kobe. That puts the range from 5 to 9 seasons.

LeBron's been top 3 every season from say, 2008-on? You can argue 2006 and 2007, so his range is 9 to 11 seasons as top 3.

Wade you can argue up to 4 seasons: 2006, 2009-11

Shaq only played 66 games vs Kobe's 82 and Kobe was 1st team all-defense while also having these ridiculous scoring streaks with 9 40+ pt games and averaging close to 41 ppg for a whole month and breaking the single game 3pt record at the time and dropping 42 in one half on Jordan's team, plus Kobe finished above Shaq in MVP voting and was 3rd in the MVP race behind Duncan and Garnett.

[Wade's Rings]

Watched every single Heat game of the 2011 season. Wade and LeBron were literally neck and neck. Wade was arguably the best player in the league that year. It's an extremely underrated season from him. Quite honestly, I have it #2 behind 09' Wade. Aside from the Bulls series, he was amazing.

:applause:

'10 Wade and '11 Wade weren't far behind '09 Wade. Biggest difference was that their Man defense was better but '09 Wade's jumper and midrange was money, while the other years weren't. Even in the Bulls series, he still showed up in the 4th quarters and played great defense.

[Hoopz2332]

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[aj1987]

Playing with Shaq doesn't mean he can't throw Kobe out of the top 3 list, you braindead retard. We're talking about being on the top 3 list, Shaq is a COMPETITION to Kobe in that regard. Haha, what a ****ing dumbass you are.

LMFAO


Your last sentence is exactly why I'm putting you on ignore list. Another mentally retarded LeBron stan eating the dude's ass raw. Guy is a mental midget and his individual stat padding won't be what's remembered of him. It's the fact that come crunch time he folded like a bitch that he is.

Kobe's 08-10' seasons alone destroys anything LeBron has done in his ENTIRE career, when it comes to winning.
This kid though... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe is not on LeBron's level. Deal with it. 3 FMVP's and 4 MVP's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MVP and 2 FMVP's.

LeBron's mentally weak? LeBron shits on Kobe when it comes to clutch stats, elimination game performances, Finals performances, G7's, etc.. Not even close, kid.

Calm the **** down and breath in for a second. Then you might realize how much better LeBron is than Kobe.

[Nilocon165]

This kid though... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe is not on LeBron's level. Deal with it. 3 FMVP's and 4 MVP's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MVP and 2 FMVP's.

LeBron's mentally weak? LeBron shits on Kobe when it comes to clutch stats, elimination game performances, Finals performances, G7's, etc.. Not even close, kid.

Calm the **** down and breath in for a second. Then you might realize how much better LeBron is than Kobe.
How long you gotta wear that avi for?

[aj1987]

How long you gotta wear that avi for?
Till October, I think. Not sure. I'm sure AW will let me know once I'm done.