For the people crying about "fixing"

[hateraid]

This always seems to be an issue. The finals are not fixed. Because your team is not winning does not mean a higher authority is involved. People need to still perform. They need to hit shots. The teams that are losing are not making theirs. That is what I see as a bias spectator


Enjoy the finals as it is and not some sort of conspiring.

[TemporaMutantur]

Word, people need to shut the fvck up.

People think when refs make a bad call, it's clearly deliberate. Human error is real, it happens, they have to make tough decisions in real time from tough angles. Making the correct call is easier in hindsight and on slow motion replay.

People can't simply enjoy the game, they need something to bitch about.

[diamenz]

it's all about the dollars.

[hateraid]

Word, people need to shut the fvck up.

People think when refs make a bad call, it's clearly deliberate. Human error is real, it happens, they have to make tough decisions in real time from tough angles. Making the correct call is easier in hindsight and on slow motion replay.

People can't simply enjoy the game, they need something to bitch about.

Exactly. Fixing looks worse on the team who is losing since they intentionally have to miss shots.

Also games are not extended to increase revenue. Anyone who plays team sports know you would never allow the opportunity for a team to come back. You put yourself at risk of losing the championship. You win because you're the better team that day, you lose because you weren't as good for that one game. Period

[tmacattack33]

At least complain only when the league has an obvious favorite. Like when it was Miami vs San Antonio.

There is no clear favorite for the league right now between the Cavs and Warriors.

Lebron is 31 and on his way down (though he is declining slower than the haters would like...which is why they are so mad :oldlol: ).

Curry is 28 and on the way up, and has a very clean cut image and is great for the mainstream.

So, why would the league want Lebron to win instead of Curry?

[ortonsaw]

the team that could generates more revenue for the NBA will win
its simple

[hateraid]

the team that could generates more revenue for the NBA will win
its simple

False. Why does San Antonio win? They're one of the smallest markets out there. Their big 3 was the least marketable players in the league. If the league wanted to generate more money then why wasn't 1 Lebron vs Kobe finals ever produced? It would be the most exploited match up of the decade.

So your theory goes out the window on that one

[LBJFTW]

If the NBA is fixed then why did they allow MJ to not take any of his finals to 7 games?

[ortonsaw]

False. Why does San Antonio win? They're one of the smallest markets out there. Their big 3 was the least marketable players in the league. If the league wanted to generate more money then why wasn't 1 Lebron vs Kobe finals ever produced? It would be the most exploited match up of the decade.

So your theory goes out the window on that one
Adam Silver wasnt in charged at that time
that dude makes the nba looking like wwe right now

[LBJFTW]

Adam Silver wasnt in charged at that time
that dude makes the nba looking like wwe right now

Why would Silver do anything to change a perfectly successful business model. That makes no sense.

[SexSymbol]

Why would Silver do anything to change a perfectly successful business model. That makes no sense.
It's not perfectly successful, only a handful of teams actually bring in revenue.

It doesn't take a genius to see that NBA suspended Draymond to help the Cavs win.

[LBJFTW]

It's not perfectly successful, only a handful of teams actually bring in revenue.

It doesn't take a genius to see that NBA suspended Draymond to help the Cavs win.

They suspended Draymond instead of suspending him earlier because they are dumb as shit. That doesn't mean the owners are dumb. If it was fixed they would have done something last year to make the finals go to game 7. GSW was perfectly capable of winning yesterday. Curry didn't do enough because he's injured.

[tpols]

dont think its fixed on a micro level, but the review process is a complete joke, totally arbitrary and enforced based on what will prolong the series / make things more interesting (games 6 and 7's always get the highest ratings and mass appeal). it's all about setting up the show .. silver and execs would love for a close crunchtime game 7, doesnt matter who wins at that point, but they'll give nudges as best they can to get it there and make it a coin flip.

[hateraid]

dont think its fixed on a micro level, but the review process is a complete joke, totally arbitrary and enforced based on what will prolong the series / make things more interesting (games 6 and 7's always get the highest ratings and mass appeal). it's all about setting up the show .. silver and execs would love for a close crunchtime game 7, doesnt matter who wins at that point, but they'll give nudges as best they can to get it there and make it a coin flip.
The only factor you left out is the PLAYERS would have to be in cahoots. Players still have to play the game. Protect their legacies. If you're going to fix on that level then the playoffs should be predetermined from the onset of the playoffs. He'll, why not just start at the beginning of the season?
Again, all these theories are reaching.

[sd3035]

lol at all the Lebald stans being so defensive in this thread. I guess we know who the games are fixed for :applause: :applause: :applause:

[tpols]

The only factor you left out is the PLAYERS would have to be in cahoots. Players still have to play the game. Protect their legacies. If you're going to fix on that level then the playoffs should be predetermined from the onset of the playoffs. He'll, why not just start at the beginning of the season?
Again, all these theories are reaching.

what? players dont have to be in cahoots at all .. league office says youre not playing, youre not playing. players get calls sometimes, sometimes they dont using the same moves. its not up to them at all

[hateraid]

what? players dont have to be in cahoots at all .. league office says youre not playing, youre not playing. players get calls sometimes, sometimes they dont using the same moves. its not up to them at all

I'm talking about the players on the floor. They still have to make the shots, play the game, protect their legacies. Getting suspensions is not an attempt to fix a game, it's a form of discipline. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. Just like calls. Everyone thinks it's a conspiracy when it's called against them.

[hateraid]

lol at all the Lebald stans being so defensive in this thread. I guess we know who the games are fixed for :applause: :applause: :applause:

Exactly how paranoid people would act

[kamil]

2002 didn't happen, huh? Yeah, let's just not care about respect or integrity for the game.

[diamenz]

I'm talking about the players on the floor. They still have to make the shots, play the game, protect their legacies. Getting suspensions is not an attempt to fix a game, it's a form of discipline. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. Just like calls. Everyone thinks it's a conspiracy when it's called against them.

but the nba is incredibly inconsistent. not only with calls, but now with this whole suspension fiasco. what are people supposed to do, just fall in line with what's being done? they're gonna question it.

[Nuff Said]

but the nba is incredibly inconsistent. not only with calls, but now with this whole suspension fiasco. what are people supposed to do, just fall in line with what's being done? they're gonna question it.
Inconsistent? They seemed to consistently award draymond a flagrant for each of his antics and even specifically warned green about contact to the groin and so when he did it again they gave him another flagrant foul as they have done so consistently in the pass. Unfortunately for draymond he just had racked up too many and the point system got him suspended.

[Old Man River]

fixed as hell, this is sports entertainment, can't enjoy it, pro wrestling is weird.

[KiiiiNG]

Well no shit OP... the games aren't pre-determined

But the refs do play favorites, and have been on the Warriors side the entire playoffs, and that's a form of "fixing"..

Of course they can't control if Curry chokes and misses open shots. But they have ways to mitigate that by not calling him for fouls, and calling phantom fouls on Cle, etc.

I felt in game 5 they clearly favored the Warriors with calls, but LeBron was just too good and overcame it. So yeah, that's mostly out of their control.

[diamenz]

Inconsistent? They seemed to consistently award draymond a flagrant for each of his antics and even specifically warned green about contact to the groin and so when he did it again they gave him another flagrant foul as they have done so consistently in the pass. Unfortunately for draymond he just had racked up too many and the point system got him suspended.

i was speaking in general.

[Prime_Shaq]

Word, people need to shut the fvck up.

People think when refs make a bad call, it's clearly deliberate. Human error is real, it happens, they have to make tough decisions in real time from tough angles. Making the correct call is easier in hindsight and on slow motion replay.

People can't simply enjoy the game, they need something to bitch about.
Thanks. 90% of the forum can't enjoy the game because they are rooting for certain players to fail instead of their player's success.

[DoctorP]

One way it could be fixed is with the players making deals to throw the game for external reasons which could have little or everything to do with money, endorsements

[G-train]

This always seems to be an issue. The finals are not fixed. Because your team is not winning does not mean a higher authority is involved. People need to still perform. They need to hit shots. The teams that are losing are not making theirs. That is what I see as a bias spectator


Enjoy the finals as it is and not some sort of conspiring.

The NBA is corrupt, and it's naive to think otherwise.

Still I enjoy the spectacle of most games.

[sfballa13]

The NBA is corrupt, and it's naive to think otherwise.

Still I enjoy the spectacle of most games.

Yes it is obvious there is wide spread corruption

Biggest instances: Kings v Lakers, Blazers v Lakers (not talked about but the refs basically handed that series to the Lakers - Blazers were up 20 or so going into the 3rd), 2006 Heat, and the list goes on and on

What alot of people forget on these forums is that Wade and LeBron coming into the league was the beginning of the garbage superstar calls that players like Harden thrive on today

Before that the only players getting calls close to Lebron/Wade were Kobe and Shaq (and Shaq was being fouled hard every game so he doesnt really count as well)

LeBron and Wade would get the most ridiculous calls esp in 2004-2008. There would be games where both Billups and Rip would have 2 fouls early in the 1st quarter and LeBron and Wade would go into the 3rd with 0 fouls. Now LeBron and Wade do not get the type of calls they used to get the NBA has really cut down on that bc with the arrival of HD and slow mo that bullshit is easily spotted

Now its the ticky tack calls, the ones that can go either way that are being called and those accumulate and take a player out of the game and change a team's game plan.

But still the NBA remains the most entertaining sport out there for me. MLB is a joke too slow and too boring (unless you are trashed at the game). NHL has really lost its luster, nothing compared to the hey day of the 90s NHL (lock outs destroyed the league). NFL, to me at least, is super boring. Too many stoppages and just doesnt hold my interest.

Then there is the NBA. Nothing tops sitting courtside for an NBA game. The absolute #1 entertainment experience out there. Throw in all the hilarious media antics the NBA players get involved in and the crazy fans and you have a year long source of fun and entertainment.

Is it rigged like the WWE? Yes. But is it fun and entertaining like the WWE (used to be in the 90s anyways)? YES!

Long live the NBA and Lebron the 2 for 7th!

[Maestro33]

This stuff about San Antonio being a small market is wrong. When the Mavs and Rockets inevitably fold, the whole state of Texas backs the best bet...the Spurs. That's not a small market.

[Gileraracer]

If the most important player gets suspended for the most important game the series is fixxed. no question about that

[hateraid]

If the most important player gets suspended for the most important game the series is fixxed. no question about that

Right, it has nothing to do with a repeat offender being warned not to do it again. It's definitely fixed. Green was in on it.

[CarlosBoozer]

If the most important player gets suspended for the most important game the series is fixxed. no question about that
:facepalm

[cltcfn2924]

Right, it has nothing to do with a repeat offender being warned not to do it again. It's definitely fixed. Green was in on it.


That's crazy. Do you know how far upstairs this goes? The advertising money alone is astronomical. To think otherwise is just plain na

[Gileraracer]

:facepalm

Yeah you are right, there's no illuminati and 9/11 was no inside job. kkthxbye

[hateraid]

[QUOTE=cltcfn2924]That's crazy. Do you know how far upstairs this goes? The advertising money alone is astronomical. To think otherwise is just plain na

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

This stuff about San Antonio being a small market is wrong. When the Mavs and Rockets inevitably fold, the whole state of Texas backs the best bet...the Spurs. That's not a small market.

Um, no. The hatred runs a lot deeper than that.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

And the NBA isn't "rigged" but there is definitely a stacked deck theory that is seen a lot.

Refs call plays differently depending on team/score/player. Yes it has always been that way. Superstar calls, etc. The block/charge is another way refs mitigate "runs" or fouls.

And there is very little consistency between one game (and one crew) to the next game (crew). There isn't even that much consistency between halves in a lot of games. One quarter/half may be touch fouls, the next half it is no blood no foul.

And that type of behavior makes the NBA very hard to watch sometimes.

[diamenz]

saying that the nba doesn't try to squeeze out every dollar without being obvious about it is like saying that money doesn't influence politics. it's money driven to the fullest.

come on now.