Who Has Had The More Impressive Finals?

[FireDavidKahn]

28.2 PPG
48.7 FG%
40.7 3P%
3.4 RPG
4.6 APG
2.4 SPG
0.4 BPG


VS.

28 PPG
49.6 FG%
37.5 3P%
12 RPG
8 APG
2.4 SPG
2 BPG

:confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

the guy that was the better player in their 2 wins

[Lebron23]

Lebron James

[FireDavidKahn]

the guy that was the better player in their 2 wins
:roll:

Kyrie only beats LeBron in two areas, 0.2 more PPG and 3% in 3P%

Otherwise LBJ totally shits on Kyrie

[NBAGOAT]

Kyrie shot more 3's so he's still been more efficient and has turned it over less. lebron's done everything else besides scoring better however and the scoring gap isn't that big so I still lean Lebron for FMVP.

[highwhey]

let's see...curry checks out mentally and his teammates rescue his playoffs

vs

lebron playing his ass off while his teammates snooze for the most part

hmmmmm

[FireDavidKahn]

Kyrie shot more 3's so he's still been more efficient and has turned it over less. lebron's done everything else besides scoring better however and the scoring gap isn't that big so I still lean Lebron for FMVP.
27 3 point attempts for Kyrie
24 3 point attempts for LeBron

:sleeping

[ImKobe]

:roll:

Kyrie only beats LeBron in two areas, 0.2 more PPG and 3% in 3P%

Otherwise LBJ totally shits on Kyrie

stupid boxscore watcher

Kyrie was the one who scored 10 straight pts to ice Game 5 while Lebron went 2/7 with 5 pts in the 4th

or Game 3, where Irving had 30/4/8 and turned the ball over half as much while having a 135 ORTG to Lebron's 115

Game 5 Irving led the team in ORTG and had 41 points on a ridiculous 81%TS while Lebron took 6 more shots and had 6 more FTA and still scored the same amount of pts and Irving led the team in +/-

You look at the 2 wins and Irving has the upper hand since he was the one that put both games away while Lebron played bad when it was tight

Game 3 Lebron went 1/10 in the 2nd quarter that allowed the Warriors to make it a close game until Irving put them up 20+ in the 3rd, followed by James stat-padding as the game was already out of reach

you can marvel at his rebounds and assists but Irving averages more points on better efficiency and is close to having a 50/40/90 average in the Finals while scoring over 28 points a game. Yeah Lebron almost has twice as many assists (a lot of those come from hand-offs to Irving, btw) but also has twice as many turnovers

Irving in his last 3 games is averaging 35/4/6/2 on 56/50/90 shooting with only 2 TO per game

Only edge Lebron has is his rebounding, I'm taking the more efficient and clutch scoring over rebounds

[NBAGOAT]

27 3 point attempts for Kyrie
24 3 point attempts for LeBron

:sleeping

well I should've said he's made more of them too. Higher ts% at 57.5% to 55.6% for Lebron.

[FireDavidKahn]

Can't have stats without context. Remember how many LeBron points came in garbage time.

Kyrie has been more impressive, and Cleveland have won when he does well.
LOL, that's cuz LeBron keeps the game close. You take LBJ off this team and the Cavs get swept.

Without Kyrie or Love LBJ took this same Warrior team to 6 games last year.

[Smoke117]

Haters: Kyrie

Stans: Lebron

Sheed: Both players played hard

[bigkingsfan]

If Kyrie wasn't terrible in the other games, series would have been a wrap.

[ImKobe]

LOL, that's cuz LeBron keeps the game close. You take LBJ off this team and the Cavs get swept.

Without Kyrie or Love LBJ took this same Warrior team to 6 games last year.

lol Lebron had Kyrie and the Cavs went OT Game 1 with him playing last year

Love is trash and makes the team worse defensively

Only reason Cavs went 6 games was because Curry struggled early and was 5/23 in Game 2 where the Warriors somehow lost in OT despite lebron missing every jumper in the 2nd half

and we don't know if the Warriors would sweep Cavs without Lebron because it has a lot to do with whether Curry and Klay make their 3s or not

Cavs offense is trash when Kyrie is sitting, if you've watched the Finals you would know that.

[ImKobe]

If Kyrie wasn't terrible in the other games, series would have been a wrap.

and Lebron was great in their 3 losses :oldlol: :facepalm, he averages 6 turnovers 22 ppg in the 3 losses.

[Asukal]

Haters: Kyrie

Stans: Lebron

Sheed: Both players played hard

Speaking the truth is hating now? :lol :oldlol: :roll:

Kyrie played better than bronbron, there's no question about it. :pimp:

[NumberSix]

the guy that was the better player in their 2 wins
Perhaps of he played better in their loses, they wouldn't be loses?

[NBAGOAT]

stupid boxscore watcher

Kyrie was the one who scored 10 straight pts to ice Game 5 while Lebron went 2/7 with 5 pts in the 4th

or Game 3, where Irving had 30/4/8 and turned the ball over half as much while having a 135 ORTG to Lebron's 115

Game 5 Irving led the team in ORTG and had 41 points on a ridiculous 81%TS while Lebron took 6 more shots and had 6 more FTA and still scored the same amount of pts and Irving led the team in +/-

You look at the 2 wins and Irving has the upper hand since he was the one that put both games away while Lebron played bad when it was tight

Game 3 Lebron went 1/10 in the 2nd quarter that allowed the Warriors to make it a close game until Irving put them up 20+ in the 3rd, followed by James stat-padding as the game was already out of reach

you can marvel at his rebounds and assists but Irving averages more points on better efficiency and is close to having a 50/40/90 average in the Finals while scoring over 28 points a game. Yeah Lebron almost has twice as many assists (a lot of those come from hand-offs to Irving, btw) but also has twice as many turnovers

Irving in his last 3 games is averaging 35/4/6/2 on 56/50/90 shooting with only 2 TO per game

Only edge Lebron has is his rebounding, I'm taking the more efficient and clutch scoring over rebounds

come on now. Lebron's misses in the 4th came when the game was out of reach you would be calling it statpadding if he made them even if I agree Kyrie iced the game Irving did not put them up 20+ in the 3rd in game 3, he scored once before they built a 20 pt lead. :oldlol:. Why not also acknowledge Lebron has set up Kyrie with some open looks(especially game 5 from 3). Lebron still has the playmaking edge no matter how you spin it and you can't forget defense either.

[bigkingsfan]

and Lebron was great in their 3 losses :oldlol: :facepalm, he averages 6 turnovers 22 ppg in the 3 losses.
You're shocked that someone who handles the ball more would have more TO's. GS was also abusing Kyrie on the defensive end.

[ImKobe]

come on now. Lebron's misses in the 4th came when the game was out of reach you would be calling it statpadding if he made them even if I agree Kyrie iced the game Irving did not put them up 20+ in the 3rd in game 3, he scored once before they built a 20 pt lead. :oldlol:. Why not also acknowledge Lebron has set up Kyrie with some open looks(especially game 5 from 3). Lebron still has the playmaking edge no matter how you spin it and you can't forget defense either.

No I wouldn't. And how many open looks did Kyrie really have in these games? A lot of his makes were the same shots he missed in the first 2 games. He would just dribble the ball up the court and shoot it without passing it to anyone. Many of his baskets were tough shots that he just happened to make, especially the one where he almost fell over on the dribble against Klay but somehow recovered and got the shot off. He made big time shots.


Lebron has the playmaking edge but he's also turned the ball over A LOT in this series, two out of the 3 losses he had 7 turnovers, Game 1 loss he had 4

Kyrie hasn't been terrible defensively, the Cavs have done a great job limiting Curry and Klay in most games, and he's been a part of that effort.

[ImKobe]

You're shocked that someone who handles the ball more would have more TO's. GS was also abusing Kyrie on the defensive end.

But twice as many turnovers while almost having the same usage rate? Irving handles the ball almost as much as Lebron..there are possessions where no one but Irving touches the ball, he's usually the one to bring the ball up so he makes the first pass

Kyrie wasn't that great defensively in the first 2 games but he's been solid when it's him and either Love/Lebron doubling Curry, they have done a great job in that regard. He isn't the best 1 on 1 defender in the game but his efficient scoring in the last 3 games has saved the Cavs from getting swept.

[bigkingsfan]

But twice as many turnovers while almost having the same usage rate? Irving handles the ball almost as much as Lebron..there are possessions where no one but Irving touches the ball, he's usually the one to bring the ball up so he makes the first pass

Their TO pretty much reflect assist. Lebron is actually trying to set up his teammates and getting more attention on that end too. Kyrie? He's likely to shoot.

[NBAGOAT]

No I wouldn't. And how many open looks did Kyrie really have in these games? A lot of his makes were the same shots he missed in the first 2 games. He would just dribble the ball up the court and shoot it without passing it to anyone. Many of his baskets were tough shots that he just happened to make, especially the one where he almost fell over on the dribble against Klay but somehow recovered and got the shot off. He made big time shots.


Lebron has the playmaking edge but he's also turned the ball over A LOT in this series, two out of the 3 losses he had 7 turnovers, Game 1 loss he had 4

Kyrie hasn't been terrible defensively, the Cavs have done a great job limiting Curry and Klay in most games, and he's been a part of that effort.

Kyrie inside the arc is all him creating his own shot but not so much on 3 pointers where he's shooting pretty well. At least last game, 3 of those 3's were pretty open and set up by Bron. Yes the turnovers is a problem, never denied that but that doesn't change the playmaking edge. Small thing to consider is once in awhile, it's due to a guy not being able to handle a pass but lebron's have mostly been getting stripped in the paint so whatever. Also, still doesn't change the fact that Kyrie lead the Cavs to a 20+ lead in the 3rd is just not true. Unfortunately, it's going be a false narrative haters will say a few weeks from now when people don't remember the games that well. Kyrie's effort has been fine on defense but he's still below average ish(I remember the early games people argued he looked worse than Love on defense). Lebron has had an effect on curry and klay too and has been pretty good defensively, fantastic last game.

[Hey Yo]

But twice as many turnovers while almost having the same usage rate? Irving handles the ball almost as much as Lebron..there are possessions where no one but Irving touches the ball, he's usually the one to bring the ball up so he makes the first pass

Kyrie wasn't that great defensively in the first 2 games but he's been solid when it's him and either Love/Lebron doubling Curry, they have done a great job in that regard. He isn't the best 1 on 1 defender in the game but his efficient scoring in the last 3 games has saved the Cavs from getting swept.
Game 1


ESPN Stats & Info ✔ @ESPNStatsInfo
Kyrie Irving was 1-of-9 in the half court when he brought the ball up and did not pass
12:10 AM - 3 Jun 2016

"To be blunt, Irving was terrible in Cleveland's Game 1 loss to the Golden State Warriors, despite being the top scorer in the game with 26 points. He shot 7 of 22 from the field and his efficiency was only saved by early trips to the free-throw line in the first half.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dont-let-the-stats-fool-you-kyrie-irvings-play-hurt-the-cavs-in-game-1/

[FireDavidKahn]

Kyrie also blows defensively

[ImKobe]

Kyrie inside the arc is all him creating his own shot but not so much on 3 pointers where he's shooting pretty well. At least last game, 3 of those 3's were pretty open and set up by Bron. Yes the turnovers is a problem, never denied that but that doesn't change the playmaking edge. Small thing to consider is once in awhile, it's due to a guy not being able to handle a pass but lebron's have mostly been getting stripped in the paint so whatever. Also, still doesn't change the fact that Kyrie lead the Cavs to a 20+ lead in the 3rd is just not true. Unfortunately, it's going be a false narrative haters will say a few weeks from now when people don't remember the games that well. Kyrie's effort has been fine on defense but he's still below average ish(I remember the early games people argued he looked worse than Love on defense). Lebron has had an effect on curry and klay too and has been pretty good defensively, fantastic last game.

worse than Love on defense :oldlol:

he set the tone in Game 3 (had 16 pts to Golden State's 16 in the first quarter), Lebron was in single digits in most of the game and didn't start scoring until the Cavs were up about 15 points mid-way to the 3rd quarter and had 8 straight points in the 4th when they were already up 20+ with the game decided, same thing when he had those 3 layups with the game out of reach in Game 4

yet Klay and Curry have been rather inefficient in this series, Curry has been even worse than last year (when Kyrie wasn't on the court for 5 out of 6 games :rolleyes:)

Klay was the primary defender on Irving last game after Irving embarrassed Curry early on, he did the same to Klay.

[ImKobe]

Game 1



"To be blunt, Irving was terrible in Cleveland's Game 1 loss to the Golden State Warriors, despite being the top scorer in the game with 26 points. He shot 7 of 22 from the field and his efficiency was only saved by early trips to the free-throw line in the first half.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dont-let-the-stats-fool-you-kyrie-irvings-play-hurt-the-cavs-in-game-1/

yeah, and those same shots fell in their two wins

Lebron was also terrible in those losses, he had what, 23 in the first game and 19 in Game 2? Wasn't we criticizing him for not looking to score when GS role players were going on these runs? Irving's shot didn't always fall but it sure has in the last 3 games

[Smoke117]

yeah, and those same shots fell in their two wins

Lebron was also terrible in those losses, he had what, 23 in the first game and 19 in Game 2? Wasn't we criticizing him for not looking to score when GS role players were going on these runs? Irving's shot didn't always fall but it sure has in the last 3 games

The difference is Lebron actually does other things besides score.

[NBAGOAT]

worse than Love on defense :oldlol:

he set the tone in Game 3 (had 16 pts to Golden State's 16 in the first quarter), Lebron was in single digits in most of the game and didn't start scoring until the Cavs were up about 15 points mid-way to the 3rd quarter and had 8 straight points in the 4th when they were already up 20+ with the game decided, same thing when he had those 3 layups with the game out of reach in Game 4

yet Klay and Curry have been rather inefficient in this series, Curry has been even worse than last year without him on the court for 5 out of 6 games :rolleyes:

Klay was the primary defender on Irving last game after Irving embarrassed Curry early on, he did the same to Klay.

yes I am dead serious about the 1st 2 games. Love's effort was there and people actually though he wasn't that terrible in defending. I mean it's not all Kyrie's fault but who do you think got most of the blame for Livingston going off? Everything you said about game 3 was true but he scored one bucket in the 3rd before the Cavs got their lead up to 20, that's not Irving putting them up 20+. The1v1 matchup doesn't mean as much as usual since the Cavs switch or double Curry a lot, it's the best way to guard the GSW pnr. Also have put multiple guys on him like Bron or Shumphert.

[ImKobe]

The difference is Lebron actually does other things besides score.

but he isn't as good at scoring and while he does assist on more shots he also gives the ball away twice as much so it evens out

at the end it's Irving who's the closer of the team and if it's one shot to win the game you know he's most likely going to get it

both have been great but Lebron has been underwhelming in close moments

wasn't nearly aggressive in Games 1 and 2 and didn't attack in Game 4 until it was decided and he just traded 2 for 2 (layup and foul Steph/Klay, who are automatic from the line, so basically no point other than upping your ppg/FG%)

[moongaze]

stupid boxscore watcher

Kyrie was the one who scored 10 straight pts to ice Game 5 while Lebron went 2/7 with 5 pts in the 4th

or Game 3, where Irving had 30/4/8 and turned the ball over half as much while having a 135 ORTG to Lebron's 115

Game 5 Irving led the team in ORTG and had 41 points on a ridiculous 81%TS while Lebron took 6 more shots and had 6 more FTA and still scored the same amount of pts and Irving led the team in +/-

You look at the 2 wins and Irving has the upper hand since he was the one that put both games away while Lebron played bad when it was tight

Game 3 Lebron went 1/10 in the 2nd quarter that allowed the Warriors to make it a close game until Irving put them up 20+ in the 3rd, followed by James stat-padding as the game was already out of reach

you can marvel at his rebounds and assists but Irving averages more points on better efficiency and is close to having a 50/40/90 average in the Finals while scoring over 28 points a game. Yeah Lebron almost has twice as many assists (a lot of those come from hand-offs to Irving, btw) but also has twice as many turnovers

Irving in his last 3 games is averaging 35/4/6/2 on 56/50/90 shooting with only 2 TO per game

Only edge Lebron has is his rebounding, I'm taking the more efficient and clutch scoring over rebounds

This. Kyrie's been the one that's been responsible for the biggest momentum chnagers in the series. His 1st quarter in game 3 and his 4th quarter mastery in game 5 held off the warriors surges. Lebrons been hell ah important too. I think they both deserve it

[FireDavidKahn]

but he isn't as good at scoring and while he does assist on more shots he also gives the ball away twice as much so it evens out

at the end it's Irving who's the closer of the team and if it's one shot to win the game you know he's most likely going to get it

both have been great but Lebron has been underwhelming in close moments

wasn't nearly aggressive in Games 1 and 2 and didn't attack in Game 4 until it was decided and he just traded 2 for 2 (layup and foul Steph/Klay, who are automatic from the line, so basically no point other than upping your ppg/FG%)
His TS% is 2% lower than Kyrie...:facepalm

[ImKobe]

His TS% is 2% lower than Kyrie...:facepalm

how is his TS% when the game is close?

[FireDavidKahn]

bump:oldlol:

[Bankaii]

Let's see how that Kobetard tries to promote his agenda now:oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

This Finals ...

LeBron
Kyrie
Curry
Iguodala
Draymond
Livingston

[r15mohd]

This Finals ...

LeBron
Kyrie
Curry
Iguodala
Draymond
Livingston

it's a tie between curry and klay for the 3rd spot - if GSW wins, whoever plays best out of the two will win FMVP

[FireDavidKahn]

All those Kyrie stans are so quiet right now

[sfballa13]

stupid boxscore watcher

Kyrie was the one who scored 10 straight pts to ice Game 5 while Lebron went 2/7 with 5 pts in the 4th

or Game 3, where Irving had 30/4/8 and turned the ball over half as much while having a 135 ORTG to Lebron's 115

Game 5 Irving led the team in ORTG and had 41 points on a ridiculous 81%TS while Lebron took 6 more shots and had 6 more FTA and still scored the same amount of pts and Irving led the team in +/-

You look at the 2 wins and Irving has the upper hand since he was the one that put both games away while Lebron played bad when it was tight

Game 3 Lebron went 1/10 in the 2nd quarter that allowed the Warriors to make it a close game until Irving put them up 20+ in the 3rd, followed by James stat-padding as the game was already out of reach

you can marvel at his rebounds and assists but Irving averages more points on better efficiency and is close to having a 50/40/90 average in the Finals while scoring over 28 points a game. Yeah Lebron almost has twice as many assists (a lot of those come from hand-offs to Irving, btw) but also has twice as many turnovers

Irving in his last 3 games is averaging 35/4/6/2 on 56/50/90 shooting with only 2 TO per game

Only edge Lebron has is his rebounding, I'm taking the more efficient and clutch scoring over rebounds

Lebron played 84 minutes, scored 82 points, and turned the ball over THREE times in TWO GAMES

Sorry buddy he has outplayed Kyrie and if he scores more than 30 in game 7 win or lose he has the MVP on lock

[FireDavidKahn]

Lebron played 84 minutes, scored 82 points, and turned the ball over THREE times in TWO GAMES

Sorry buddy he has outplayed Kyrie and if he scores more than 30 in game 7 win or lose he has the MVP on lock
LeGoat:bowdown:

[feyki]

This Finals ...

LeBron
Kyrie
Curry
Iguodala
Draymond
Livingston

:biggums:

[FireDavidKahn]

Haralabos Voulgaris ‏@haralabob 27m27 minutes ago
For reference Curry is scoring 1.37ppp on the 28 possessions Irving has guarded him.:applause: