Is Lebrons' Game Six Getting A Tad Overrated?

[Vragrant]

I mean don't get me wrong, he played fantastic and hit some big shots down the stretch. However, the Cavs were up by as many as 22 points and Warriors never lead if I recall. You get the impression it was a back and forth game, where he exploded or came back from a deficit.

Look, he played great, but given the way the game was going, wasn't he supposed to win?

[ncrizzle]

I mean don't get me wrong, he played fantastic and hit some big shots down the stretch. However, the Cavs were up by as many as 22 points and Warriors never lead if I recall. You get the impression it was a back and forth game, where he exploded or came back from a deficit.

Look, he played great, but given the way the game was going, wasn't he supposed to win?


lets not give any credit to him for being up 22 or relinquishing the lead :hammerhead:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Warriors kept sneaking up getting within 7-8, then LeBron would go nuts.

[Nilocon165]

Warriors kept sneaking up getting within 7-8, then LeBron would go nuts.
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[Im Still Ballin]

How can you overrate the greatest finals performance ever?

[SamuraiSWISH]

It wasn't a dominant, awe inspiring one man scoring exhibition the way he did in Detroit and Boston just asserting his will on the competition.

In fact he had a really quiet 41, picking up a lot of points on run outs, transition and dunks finishing off plays.

What was impressive was him getting by Iggy off the dribble and dropping amazing dimes or alley oops to Tristian Thompson. Even his entry passes when he noticed the shading second layers of defense for his drive, he'd slip in beautiful lead passes knifing through the defense to his big man for easy buckets.

The last two games he's been all time great. Back to back. Warriors had cut the lead big time by half time and continued to do so. It was competitive. And with the way the Warriors shoot and can get hot ... You have to be beating them by 20 plus to have a safe lead and keep your foot on the pedal. Or they will come back.

[AirBonner]

for being labeled as a colluding loser no. Not even close to overrated.

[Im Still Ballin]

It wasn't a dominant, awe inspiring one man scoring exhibition the way he did in Detroit and Boston just asserting his will on the competition.

In fact he had a really quiet 41, picking up a lot of points on run outs, transition and dunks finishing off plays.

What was impressive was him getting by Iggy off the dribble and dropping amazing dimes or alley oops to Tristian Thompson. Even his entry passes when he noticed the shading second layers of defense for his drive, he'd slip in beautiful lead passes knifing through the defense to his big man for easy buckets.

The last two games he's been all time great. Back to back. Warriors had cut the lead big time by half time and continued to do so. It was competitive. And with the way the Warriors shoot and can get hot ... You have to be beating them by 20 plus to have a safe lead and keep your foot on the pedal. Or they will come back.
It's the greatest finals performance of all time

[UK2K]

It's the greatest finals performance of all time
Nah...

Didn't MJ drop 55?

Duncan has my vote though.

2003: Tim Duncan - 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks in series-clinching Game 6

[Im Still Ballin]

Nah...

Didn't MJ drop 55?

Duncan has my vote though.

2003: Tim Duncan - 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks in series-clinching Game 6
Nope

Duncan's is the 2nd best of all time

LeBron's game has a higher gamescore, tougher opposition and more pressure

41 points, 8 rebounds, 11 assists, 4 blocks, 3 steals in a much tougher game and opposition

It's not debatable

[Spurs m8]

Oh man, where do people come up with this stuff?

[AirBonner]

Back to back 40+ point elimination games. You ignore the fact that it is ELIMINATION. Hell of an accomplishment. Name me all of the players that outperformed LeBron in two consecutive finals ELIMINATION games...

[UK2K]

Nope

Duncan's is the 2nd best of all time

LeBron's game has a higher gamescore, tougher opposition and more pressure

41 points, 8 rebounds, 11 assists, 4 blocks, 3 steals in a much tougher game and opposition

It's not debatable
Gamescore?

IDGAF lol one game was without the other teams best player and the other was at home in game 6.

Now if he drops 40 10 and 10 in Game 7 on the road, that's something. But you're expected to win at home, especially in the playoffs. Pressure or not, the pressure on him was 'don't **** up at home cause then you'd be a loser'.

Best back to back finals games? I could agree with that, but gamescore? Barkley had 50 and 14 and has an awesome gamescore. Who cares?

[AirBonner]

Gamescore?

IDGAF lol one game was without the other teams best player and the other was at home in game 6.

Now if he drops 40 10 and 10 in Game 7 on the road, that's something. But you're expected to win at home, especially in the playoffs. Pressure or not, the pressure on him was 'don't **** up at home cause then you'd be a loser'.

Best back to back finals games? I could agree with that, but gamescore? Barkley had 50 and 14 and has an awesome gamescore. Who cares?
in the NBA finals? :biggums: LeBron had back to back 41 point games (elimination games) both are arguably better than Barkley's 43/15/10 game.

[UK2K]

in the NBA finals? :biggums: LeBron had back to back 41 point games (elimination games) both are arguably better than Barkley's 43/15/10 game.
Pointing out I don't care about some stat nerds made up formula.

Like I said, great games, but one against a team without its best player (and arguably best defender) and the other was at home where if you don't win, you're a piece of shit.

These games, he was EXPECTED to go off, cause he had every reason to.

[AirBonner]

Pointing out I don't care about some stat nerds made up formula.

Like I said, great games, but one against a team without its best player (and arguably best defender) and the other was at home where if you don't win, you're a piece of shit.

These games, he was EXPECTED to go off, cause he had every reason to.
Curry (the warriors best player) was in both games. If he didn't play like shit they would have a chance. NO EXCUSES just like last year... Also expected to win? wtf is this? they were playing against a 73-9 team. Change the goal posts all you want. Stats are FACTS.

[greymatter]

Not at all.

His all around offensive performance alone puts him in the top 5 ever finals games by a non-big. The fact that he also had one of the best defensive peformances of his career is what puts game 6 in the category of "more impressive than what Jordan ever did in a finals game".

[livinglegend]

Pointing out I don't care about some stat nerds made up formula.

Like I said, great games, but one against a team without its best player (and arguably best defender) and the other was at home where if you don't win, you're a piece of shit.

These games, he was EXPECTED to go off, cause he had every reason to.

Who are you talking about?

[coin24]

Lebron this Lebron that, its actually Kyrie that's been dominating the first halves getting the cavs leads..

Bran seems to only find his jumper when they have a double digit lead. Front run much?:lol

[Indian guy]

It is statistically the best performance in the history of the NBA Finals. No other game had a better Game Score. In fact, 2 of the top 3 are LeBron's Game 5 & 6 from this series.

So, uh, no. And this isn't even getting into the fact that both came in must-win situations against a 73-9 team.

[West-Side]

Lebron this Lebron that, its actually Kyrie that's been dominating the first halves getting the cavs leads..

Bran seems to only find his jumper when they have a double digit lead. Front run much?:lol

This is the truth.
LeBron was shook in game 3 trying to score because of the pressure. In game 5&6, Cleveland had a big lead early and never looked back. This is when LeBron played his best because he was comfortable and didn't feel the pressure.

Kyrie took it upon himself to win game 3, which is the most important win since GS took game 4. Even without knowing the result of game 4, winning game 3 gave Cleveland a chance to comeback. Down 0-3 they would have been crushed. So essentially Kyrie saved the day.

Go re watch game 3 when the game was close mid way through the 2nd and see how James missed like 6-7 straight shots and Kyrie took it upon himself to carry the team.

Again, James played brilliantly in game 5&6 but Cleveland never had to fight back from being down. It was the perfect start for them, and James was in his comfort zone. He didn't hesitate to take long range shots and dominated in all facets. I don't understand why people think LeBron isn't mentally weak. For the last 6 years he played with guys like Wade, Bosh and Kyrie. That alone made him more poised. But when Dallas actually put the pressure on Miami, their best player didn't hold himself accountable for carrying the team. He is a glorified stat padder.

[SamuraiSWISH]

West Side as an ISH poster, in essence: " Jordan and LeBron suck"

[SexSymbol]

G5 was a TOP 40 finals game of all time for sure.
G6 wasn't, no iggy or bogut and the team had a commanding lead for most of the game

[aj1987]

This is the truth.
LeBron was shook in game 3 trying to score because of the pressure. In game 5&6, Cleveland had a big lead early and never looked back. This is when LeBron played his best because he was comfortable and didn't feel the pressure.

Kyrie took it upon himself to win game 3, which is the most important win since GS took game 4. Even without knowing the result of game 4, winning game 3 gave Cleveland a chance to comeback. Down 0-3 they would have been crushed. So essentially Kyrie saved the day.

Go re watch game 3 when the game was close mid way through the 2nd and see how James missed like 6-7 straight shots and Kyrie took it upon himself to carry the team.

Again, James played brilliantly in game 5&6 but Cleveland never had to fight back from being down. It was the perfect start for them, and James was in his comfort zone. He didn't hesitate to take long range shots and dominated in all facets. I don't understand why people think LeBron isn't mentally weak. For the last 6 years he played with guys like Wade, Bosh and Kyrie. That alone made him more poised. But when Dallas actually put the pressure on Miami, their best player didn't hold himself accountable for carrying the team. He is a glorified stat padder.
Again,

tl;dr - Pau deserved FMVP in '09 and '10. Chokebe is a poormans Derozan.

[UK2K]

Curry (the warriors best player) was in both games. If he didn't play like shit they would have a chance. NO EXCUSES just like last year... Also expected to win? wtf is this? they were playing against a 73-9 team. Change the goal posts all you want. Stats are FACTS.
Curry is the best shooter...

Draymond makes that team go. The Warriors have a solid record without Curry. They're 0-2 without Green. Stop looking at one side of the ball. Draymond does everything. His communication, his ability to stretch the D, his DEFENSE. He's the Warriors best player.

73-9. And they've lost how many games this playoffs? Regular seasons doesn't matter anymore. They were at home with the best player in the world.

Cleveland was favored! Yes, they were expected to win. If you expected GS to win, you were in the minority.

Facts.

[Meticode]

It wasn't a dominant, awe inspiring one man scoring exhibition the way he did in Detroit and Boston just asserting his will on the competition.,
Yes it was. He scored 18 straight points for the Cavs and at one point he had scored or assisted on 34 out of 36 points. I know in Detroit he scored like 27 straight points in a row, but assisting or scoring on 34 out of 36 points is pretty dominate.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Yes it was. He scored 18 straight points for the Cavs and at one point he had scored or assisted on 34 out of 36 points. I know in Detroit he scored like 27 straight points in a row, but assisting or scoring on 34 out of 36 points is pretty dominate.
Nah in the moment those games definitely felt more impact or eye test dominance than this last game. Much of it came in the flow and a lot of easy baskets. Game 5 at Detroit, Game 6 at Boston and hell game 7 at Boston in 2008 ... his scoring came more from skillful obliteration of his defender in one on one situations. Basically like Kyrie in Game 5. Looking unstoppable. I actually think LeBron looked more dominant that game scoring the ball than he did this last game as well. The people I watched with even said it felt like a quiet 41. His playmaking was what was amazing to me.

[Dresta]

Curry (the warriors best player) was in both games. If he didn't play like shit they would have a chance. NO EXCUSES just like last year... Also expected to win? wtf is this? they were playing against a 73-9 team. Change the goal posts all you want. Stats are FACTS.
Wrong. Stats are a simplified attempt to try to break down and understand facts, but they aren't actually "facts" in and of themselves dumbo; they are an interpretation. The idea that they provide some kind of completely objective measurement that can be added up and cross-compared to different teams, match-ups, and even generations, is downright laughable.

[Im Still Ballin]

It's simply the greatest finals game performance ever

Dominated every facet of the game

[tmacattack33]

I mean don't get me wrong, he played fantastic and hit some big shots down the stretch. However, the Cavs were up by as many as 22 points and Warriors never lead if I recall. You get the impression it was a back and forth game, where he exploded or came back from a deficit.

Look, he played great, but given the way the game was going, wasn't he supposed to win?

So, you're argument is that this game from Lebron wasn't impressive because it was somewhat of a blow out?

...so you are saying he played a little TOO good?