Tennis - 2016 Wimbledon

[ArbitraryWater]

One week away fam... get ready for a 3rd straight Djokovic/Murray final. I'm fine with it, tbh.

[Prime_Shaq]

Too easy for Djokovic.

[plowking]

Murray got a good shot at this. His best surface.

[gigantes]

damn, that was fast.

well... not much to say. hopefully djokes continues his march to the calendar slam. hopefully someone can knock out superb-tch. hopefully martina can win another doubles slam. hopefully no major injuries. hopefully there's not a heat wave or some such...

[gigantes]

godamnit.

d. novak (AUT) was on track to play novak D. (SRB), but got upset in the qualifiers.

https://i.imgur.com/hQUdFPH.png

would clearly have been a match for the ages. :(

[Steven Kerry]

The Williams sisters are the only ones ever worth watching.

[Smoke117]

Wimbledoooooooooooon. Can anybody stop the runaway DJoker train?

[enayes]

The Williams sisters are the only ones ever worth watching.

trolling?

:roll:

[gigantes]

damn... haven't seen a meltdown like that for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl_0LYjTozM

[bdreason]

He always has meltdowns. That's not even his worst one.



Bouchard had her best performance in a couple years today. :applause:

Muguruza out in a major upset though. :cry:

[enayes]

He always has meltdowns. That's not even his worst one.



Bouchard had her best performance in a couple years today. :applause:

Muguruza out in a major upset though. :cry:

No such thing as an upset on the women's side.

:no:

[dude77]

Muguruza looked confused and in pain towards the end of the match .. like knowing the match and tournament are slipping away and you can't do anything about it .. one of those days when nothing seems to go right and you don't know wtf is going on

[ArbitraryWater]

Djokovic down 0-2 against Querrey... luckily match got interrupted for him due to rain.

This sucks for Querrey... outplays Novak through 2 sets, but because theyre not playing under the roof, now has to wait to go on til tommorow... dude slapped him around. Djokovic will probably take it tommorow.

[imdaman99]

Djokovic in 5. He's become an entertainer now, he can tank 2 sets and just has to turn it on and he is well capable of winning 3 sets in a row against anyone in this washed up field except maybe Stan. He could do it against Murray as well. No disrespect to Querrey, he was great today.

[plowking]

Djokovic down 0-2 against Querrey... luckily match got interrupted for him due to rain.

This sucks for Querrey... outplays Novak through 2 sets, but because theyre not playing under the roof, now has to wait to go on til tommorow... dude slapped him around. Djokovic will probably take it tommorow.

So mad. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

So mad. :oldlol:

Havent wasted a thought on it, havent watched a second of it..

[ArbitraryWater]

damn, plowking gotta be pretty mad right now :lol

Anyway, not a good look on Djokers legacy, but most likely a bit of a burnout, so much success lately, alot on the mind..

[Milbuck]

Sam out here big dicking. Smoke drinking good tonight.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sam the Savage


Sam out here big dicking. Smoke drinking good tonight.

savage

[alenleomessi]

i heard del potro is back so ive put 5 euros on him for the lolz before the start of the tournament.. looking not that crazy right now
him or federer :rockon: .. murray will choke like always

[imdaman99]

Respects to murican Querrey :applause: Tough loss for Djoker, sometimes the other guy comes out GOATing.

He still won 4 majors in a row which is pretty damn impressive. Just goes to show you how hard winning French Open and Wimbledon back to to back really is, there is such a short turnaround.

[bdreason]

Not surprised to see Djoker go out. Grass favors offensive players, and Djoker's greatest strengths are his defense and counters. The draw really opens up now though. Murray isn't a great grass court player either, so I wouldn't pencil him in for the final. My pick right now would be Raonic.

[ArbitraryWater]

Murray is actually a great grass player :wtf:

He's a light mover like Fed, grass suits his direction changes... and hes got a low net clearance.

[Jasi]

Querrey :bowdown:

I think Murray takes this easily now, but here is hoping for a last feat by the King

[gigantes]

Anyway, not a good look on Djokers legacy, but most likely a bit of a burnout, so much success lately, alot on the mind..
what makes you say that?

after winning so many majors in a row, something like this was to be expected, i think.



I think Murray takes this easily now, but here is hoping for a last feat by the King
that would be a great story for sports and for tennis. :cheers:

[bdreason]

Murray is actually a great grass player :wtf:

He's a light mover like Fed, grass suits his direction changes... and hes got a low net clearance.


You're right. Murray is actually a really good grass player. I actually think his game translates well to all surfaces. I guess I was just trying to say I don't think he's a shoe-in now that Djoker is out. I think the tourney is wide-open at this point, and I could see a Murray losing to a handful of players.

[Sarcastic]

With Novak out, it's Fed's to lose now.

[plowking]

damn, plowking gotta be pretty mad right now :lol

Anyway, not a good look on Djokers legacy, but most likely a bit of a burnout, so much success lately, alot on the mind..

No. I just continue living my life, and stop pretending as if this one moment is some legacy defining point for a player with 10+ titles.

[gigantes]

No. I just continue living my life, and stop pretending as if this one moment is some legacy defining point for a player with 10+ titles.
i'm still waiting for him to explain how this upset has some special significance for djoker's legacy. :lol

i seem to recall his idol being upset a number of times and still having a pretty memorable career.

[plowking]

i'm still waiting for him to explain how this upset has some special significance for djoker's legacy. :lol

i seem to recall his idol being upset a number of times and still having a pretty memorable career.

He has excuses for that apparently.

Apparently if you have a history of injuries it is okay. If your name is Djokovic, then it is not.

[bdreason]

No. I just continue living my life, and stop pretending as if this one moment is some legacy defining point for a player with 10+ titles.


Losing one tournament won't do anything to Djoker's legacy. That said, if he wants to pass Federer, he's going to need to win a few Wimbledon's / U.S. Open's over the next few years.

[gigantes]

He has excuses for that apparently.

Apparently if you have a history of injuries it is okay. If your name is Djokovic, then it is not.
one of the worst things about having CFS is that you tend to look perfectly fine, but get tired really easily. meanwhile, people who have an obvious disability generally get all the attention.

similarly, djoker got fatigued rather easily in the first part of his pro career. he did a great job finding ways to overcome that and the haters who considered him a "faker," and i'm proud of him.

[ArbitraryWater]

i'm still waiting for him to explain how this upset has some special significance for djoker's legacy. :lol

i seem to recall his idol being upset a number of times and still having a pretty memorable career.

Rafa was never really upset in his prime while healthy... lets not get disrespectful now (:lol )

Nah... its bad... 3r loss to Querrey... but still that post was tongue in cheek.

[ArbitraryWater]

Made some $ off Djoker :banana:

Delpo in a tight one against Pouille... lets go!

[bdreason]

First real challenge for Fed tomorrow. Cilic has been playing well, gonna be a tough match.

[enayes]

I almost put $50 on Fed to win it all last week. Would have paid $700.

:facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Cilic is a scrub. He's had like 3 match points, and couldn't put it away. If you can't put it away in the 4th, you got no chance in the 5th.

[Carbine]

Roger Federer capping off his GOAT career with an 18th title would be amazing.

[bdreason]

Epic comeback from Fed.

He's too old to be going 5 sets in the qf though. I expect Raonic to end his run next match.

[bdreason]

Murray wins a 1st set tie-break. I expect him to run away with the match now.

[bdreason]

Damn Tsongo serving to send it to a 5th set and I have to leave.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Tsonga is KILLING IT!!

[Jasi]

Epic comeback from Fed.

He's too old to be going 5 sets in the qf though. I expect Raonic to end his run next match.

It will be tough for Fed. It's a career defining moment for Raonic.

[Jasi]

Not watching it but damn, either Murray stepped up big time in the 5th or Tsonga gave up

[ArbitraryWater]

Am I tripping or since when is it in the second week one day play, one day off, one day play, one day off, etc... ?

[bdreason]

The final week is usually a day off between each match. Sometimes a semi-finalists will even have two days off if they play a QF night match (for ratings), and then 3 QF's the following day.

[gigantes]

hopefully fed can get past raonic and a fresher berdych can at least tire murray somewhat.

AFAIK federer would be the oldest mens player to win a grand slam singles title in the open era.

[bdreason]

hopefully fed can get past raonic and a fresher berdych can at least tire murray somewhat.

AFAIK federer would be the oldest mens player to win a grand slam singles title in the open era.


ehhh I know Agassi won one at a really old age. Would need to check though.

[gigantes]

ehhh I know Agassi won one at a really old age. Would need to check though.
when andre won the AO in 2003, he was 32.

by the wimbledon final, fed should be less than a month from 35, i think.

[gigantes]

pretty cool... so no matter who wins, history of some sort will be made.

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[poido123]

Everyone should be rooting for Federer.


The man is about to do something no other player has done before.


History to be made.

[ArbitraryWater]

Everyone should be rooting for Federer.


The man is about to do something no other player has done before.


History to be made.

what terrible reasoning

[Smoke117]

Raonic is going to beat Federer down.

[gigantes]

what terrible reasoning
it seems like perfectly fine reasoning to me. :confusedshrug:

if you're a fan of tennis and tennis history, what's not to like about fed making history?

[ArbitraryWater]

it seems like perfectly fine reasoning to me. :confusedshrug:

if you're a fan of tennis and tennis history, what's not to like about fed making history?

the man says you HAVE to root for Federer because history can be made? You LITERALLY just posted something that says all 4 can make history... Federer ALREADY has the most slams ever. Murray has worked his ass off and has been denied by the Djoker so far, on all accounts, he's the most deserving, get real. If you're a fan of tennis, whats not to like about Murray winning? Why in the world would you hope for Federer winning another one, when hes a lesser player at this point? Weird.

[gigantes]

the man says you HAVE to root for Federer because history can be made? You LITERALLY just posted something that says all 4 can make history... Federer ALREADY has the most slams ever. Murray has worked his ass off and has been denied by the Djoker so far, on all accounts, he's the most deserving, get real. If you're a fan of tennis, whats not to like about Murray winning? Why in the world would you hope for Federer winning another one, when hes a lesser player at this point? Weird.
because fed winning is the most spectacular story out of all four...? :confusedshrug:


i agree with you about murray, tho. i'm not a fan of his occasional fuming and screaming fits on the court, but he's been highly unlucky to be a small notch below djoker in overall performance. he's a cool dude off the court and an interesting, funny and sincere guy in interviews.

if it wasn't for his good buddy novak, andy would probably be part of the triumvirate of passing the torch greatness-- fed to rafa to murray.

so yeah, after fed winning, i would be happiest about andy winning. he deserves it, and it would also be kind of like england bringing their home-grown sport back home.

[Jasi]

Raonic just served the fastest serve in the tournament. It was a second serve :oldlol:

He's up by one break, 3-1 in the first

[ArbitraryWater]

because fed winning is the most spectacular story out of all four...? :confusedshrug:


i agree with you about murray, tho. i'm not a fan of his occasional fuming and screaming fits on the court, but he's been highly unlucky to be a small notch below djoker in overall performance. he's a cool dude off the court and an interesting, funny and sincere guy in interviews.

if it wasn't for his good buddy novak, andy would probably be part of the triumvirate of passing the torch greatness-- fed to rafa to murray.

so yeah, after fed winning, i would be happiest about andy winning. he deserves it, and it would also be kind of like england bringing their home-grown sport back home.

not for everybody.. people have different tastes, to suggest like everyone should be rooting for Fed is disingenuous... there was more of moral understanding to that line of thinking with Rafa, who probably cried through his 2 yrs of pain and not making it back to the top, and then had the chance last FO, until..

[ArbitraryWater]

what a match... 5th set!

[arkain]

Would loooooove if Fed wins another slam, but if not him, hope it's Raonic.

[Jasi]

He's a legend... he's like at 50% of his functionality... and still able to win huge points on tennis IQ alone

[alenleomessi]

never seen fed choke like this

[Milbuck]

Miiiiiloooooooooos

[Milbuck]

Raonic is making some filthy returns

[ArbitraryWater]

He's a legend... he's like at 50% of his functionality... and still able to win huge points on tennis IQ alone

why? Cause he called the trainer for 20 secs? Cmon dude.. some credit to Milos...

[Jasi]

why? Cause he called the trainer for 20 secs? Cmon dude.. some credit to Milos...

No, because he's 35 and coming off huge issues with his back. I don't think he would have finished the match if it wasn't a Wimbledon semifinal.

And this doesn't take anything away from Raonic, he finally grew a pair and maybe he's ready for that next step. I loved his attacking game today.

[Jasi]

This was the King's last great run in a Slam I am afraid.
(Not that he would have stood a chance vs Murray anyways).
Sadness.

[ArbitraryWater]

No, because he's 35 and coming off huge issues with his back. I don't think he would have finished the match if it wasn't a Wimbledon semifinal.

And this doesn't take anything away from Raonic, he finally grew a pair and maybe he's ready for that next step. I loved his attacking game today.

We already know he isnt at his prime self, thats why hes 34... hes as best as you can be for 34 years old, as functional as a 34 year old will be.

[plowking]

Even when Djokovic loses, he wins.

[bdreason]

Fed just doesn't have the physical stamina to win b2b 5 set matchs at this point of his career. You could tell he was breaking down in the 4th. Raonic is playing at the highest level of his career right now as well.

Now we get to watch mental midget Berdych get whooped on by Murray. Only way Murray loses this match is if he has a serious off day.

[gigantes]

We already know he isnt at his prime self, thats why hes 34... hes as best as you can be for 34 years old, as functional as a 34 year old will be.
fed will be 35 in exactly one month.

he's arguably had more late-age success in singles majors than anyone else, ahead of even connors and aggasi. to reach the number of finals and late rounds as many times as he's done as an old man is remarkable.

[ArbitraryWater]

fed will be 35 in exactly one month.

he's arguably had more late-age success in singles majors than anyone else, ahead of even connors and aggasi. to reach the number of finals and late rounds as many times as he's done as an old man is remarkable.

thx?

as for your post (not sure why you quoted me), the trend of aging stars is going up... hes part of the trend. Oldest top 10 ever. Thats how this era is currently built.

[bdreason]

thx?

as for your post (not sure why you quoted me), the trend of aging stars is going up... hes part of the trend. Oldest top 10 ever. Thats how this era is currently built.


The average age is going up because young players aren't physically strong enough to compete with the top players. The physicality of the baseline game isn't going to bode well for aging stars. Guys like Murray and Djoker will be retired when they're 34/35. Nadal is the poster boy for the modern era of physical, baseline tennis, and he couldn't make it to age 30 before his body fell apart.

[ArbitraryWater]

The average age is going up because young players aren't physically strong enough to compete with the top players. The physicality of the baseline game isn't going to bode well for aging stars. Guys like Murray and Djoker will be retired when they're 34/35. Nadal is the poster boy for the modern era of physical, baseline tennis, and he couldn't make it to age 30 before his body fell apart.

Rafa was born with a Kohlers defect in his bone, of course he fell apart sooner...

the reasons for the age trend are far more complex than physicality, when young guys these days are bigger than ever... the logic is all out of sorts here. Murray/Djokovic retiring at 35? What point are you making here? Thats the age Federer will retire at, presumably...

Greats used to retire at 30-31... you made my point.

[bdreason]

Rafa was born with a Kohlers defect in his bone, of course he fell apart sooner...

the reasons for the age trend are far more complex than physicality, when young guys these days are bigger than ever... the logic is all out of sorts here. Murray/Djokovic retiring at 35? What point are you making here? Thats the age Federer will retire at, presumably...

Greats used to retire at 30-31... you made my point.


The age trend is not related to max age. The top guys on tour are all under 32, except Roger. Sampras won a major at 31. Agassi won a major at 32. Murray and Djoker are both 29. We'll see how many Majors they're winning in 2-3 years.

[ArbitraryWater]

The age trend is not related to max age. The top guys on tour are all under 32, except Roger. Sampras won a major at 31. Agassi won a major at 32. Murray and Djoker are both 29. We'll see how many Majors they're winning in 2-3 years.

Its the oldest and only top 10 ever with a 30+ year average.... 30.0.

Raonic was the only top 10 player below 26.

The max age shows the age trend.

Point is, what Fed is doing right now isnt groundbreaking, its stil the same top 10 for the most part from 6 years ago... everyone else is dragging on just like him. While Fed makes a semi every third slam or so, Ferrer makes a QF every third slam..

its advanced medicine, techniques of staying in shape, that allows older guys to age more gracefuly nowadays..

its the same in any other sport. What Kareem did was groundbreaking, because it was so not the usual for his time.

Still Federer has great longevity, but its also because he was a late bloomer.

[bdreason]

Max age and average age aren't the same thing. I already explained that the average age is higher because less young players are breaking into the higher ranks. Show me the trend of max age (32+) players competing at a high level.

[ArbitraryWater]

Max age and average age aren't the same thing. I already explained that the average age is higher because less young players are breaking into the higher ranks. Show me the trend of max age (32+) players competing at a high level.

those kind of go hand in hand, no?

There is no trend for 32+ year old competing at a high level, because before, people retired at such an age... nowadays, the first great entering an era with a top 10 average of 30.0 years of age, was Federer, so obviously, hes the first one taking advantage of it... next up will be Djokovic/Murray.

[Jasi]

Its the oldest and only top 10 ever with a 30+ year average.... 30.0.

Raonic was the only top 10 player below 26.

The max age shows the age trend.

Point is, what Fed is doing right now isnt groundbreaking, its stil the same top 10 for the most part from 6 years ago... everyone else is dragging on just like him. While Fed makes a semi every third slam or so, Ferrer makes a QF every third slam..

its advanced medicine, techniques of staying in shape, that allows older guys to age more gracefuly nowadays..

its the same in any other sport. What Kareem did was groundbreaking, because it was so not the usual for his time.

Still Federer has great longevity, but its also because he was a late bloomer.

Not sure if serious.
Let's have a look at 2011 and compare. Other now 34 yr old players who were big players then, where are they now?

(Fed was no.3, now still no.3).

. Ferrer from 6 to 14
. Mardy Fish from 8 to 438
. Feliciano Lopez from 20 to 21
. Youzhny from 35 to 70
. Robredo from 51 to 93
. Benneteau from 52 to 75
. Kubot from 57 to 21 <--- the exception
. Volandri from 69 to 200

Not to mention that his rivals from the '00s slightly younger than him (e.g. Nalbandian and Roddick) have already retired.





but yeah keep diminishing the King... :rolleyes:

[bdreason]

Men physically peak in their mid to late 20's. That's why, with how physical the game has become, you don't see guys under the age of 25 breaking into the higher ranks.

That has nothing to do with how quickly the body breaks down. I'm sure advanced training and diets can improve longevity, but whatever gains are made through health science, will be countered by the increased physicality of the sport.

Only 2 guys on tour over the age of 31, and ranked in the top 20. Maybe Djoker and Murray can keep winning Majors at age 32+... but with their style of play, I highly doubt it.

[Jasi]

Men physically peak in their mid to late 20's. That's why, with how physical the game has become, you don't see guys under the age of 25 breaking into the higher ranks.

That has nothing to do with how quickly the body breaks down. I'm sure advanced training and diets can improve longevity, but whatever gains are made through health science, will be countered by the increased physicality of the sport.

Only 2 guys on tour over the age of 31, and ranked in the top 20. Maybe Djoker and Murray can keep winning Majors at age 32+... but with their style of play, I highly doubt it.

I totally agree.

In the meantime Murray walked on Berdych as expected... 3-6 3-6 3-6 :facepalm

[bdreason]

Murray dispatches of Berdych with ease.

Raonic will have to be on his A game to take Murray in a 5-setter. I think he can do it though. As I've said before, I think Raonic has #1 player in the World potential.

[Jasi]

Murray dispatches of Berdych with ease.

Raonic will have to be on his A game to take Murray in a 5-setter. I think he can do it though. As I've said before, I think Raonic has #1 player in the World potential.

Well he does seem to have it now that McEnroe is dealing with his attack... and his mindset too.
Here's hoping he does that final step that I didn't believe he'd ever have done until now.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not sure if serious.
Let's have a look at 2011 and compare. Other now 34 yr old players who were big players then, where are they now?

(Fed was no.3, now still no.3).

. Ferrer from 6 to 14
. Mardy Fish from 8 to 438
. Feliciano Lopez from 20 to 21
. Youzhny from 35 to 70
. Robredo from 51 to 93
. Benneteau from 52 to 75
. Kubot from 57 to 21 <--- the exception
. Volandri from 69 to 200

Not to mention that his rivals from the '00s slightly younger than him (e.g. Nalbandian and Roddick) have already retired.





but yeah keep diminishing the King... :rolleyes:

first off, Ive never heard anyone refer to Federer as King :lol

But secondly, weve never had an ATG IN this type of 30+ years old top 10 either, Federer is the first, Rafa would be second but he has Kohlers, next up are Djokovic/Murray... I dont doubt them doing the same, do you?

I said he has great longevity, which comes with being a late bloomer.. Rafa was an early bloomer on the other hand.

Not sure why youre badly looking for this to be some transcending thing that Rog is currently doing.

[Jasi]

first off, Ive never heard anyone refer to Federer as King :lol

But secondly, weve never had an ATG IN this type of 30+ years old top 10 either, Federer is the first, Rafa would be second but he has Kohlers, next up are Djokovic/Murray... I dont doubt them doing the same, do you?

I said he has great longevity, which comes with being a late bloomer.. Rafa was an early bloomer on the other hand.

Not sure why youre badly looking for this to be some transcending thing that Rog is currently doing.

It's not transcending but it's not ordinary either as you make it out to be.
Similarly, I don't think that winning your first slam at 21 and reaching no.1 at 22 qualifies you as a "late bloomer" :oldlol:

PS Re: "the king"... no? Strange. Must be an Italian thing. Here almost everyone refers to him as "Re Roger".

[ArbitraryWater]

It's not transcending but it's not ordinary either as you make it out to be.
Similarly, I don't think that winning your first slam at 21 and reaching no.1 at 22 qualifies you as a "late bloomer" :oldlol:

PS Re: "the king"... no? Strange. Must be an Italian thing. Here almost everyone refers to him as "Re Roger".

He really took off in '04, as 23 year old.. thats kinda late for a top 5 GOAT, actually.

Its great longevity.. maybe didnt make that clear yet.

[Dresta]

Its the oldest and only top 10 ever with a 30+ year average.... 30.0.

Raonic was the only top 10 player below 26.

The max age shows the age trend.

Point is, what Fed is doing right now isnt groundbreaking, its stil the same top 10 for the most part from 6 years ago... everyone else is dragging on just like him. While Fed makes a semi every third slam or so, Ferrer makes a QF every third slam..

its advanced medicine, techniques of staying in shape, that allows older guys to age more gracefuly nowadays..

its the same in any other sport. What Kareem did was groundbreaking, because it was so not the usual for his time.

Still Federer has great longevity, but its also because he was a late bloomer.This is the biggest load of bullshit i've yet seen on this site relating to Tennis.

Yes, playing at Federer's level at his age in Tennis is absolutely incredible, which is one of the most brutal sports when it comes to athletic decline and the consequent loss of competitiveness. Guy is talking about "advanced medicine" like we only discovered penicillin 20 years ago.

edit: is this just ArbitraryWater shamelessly stanning for another player by traducing the achievements of Federer?--that would at least make some sense. In Tennis as in Basketball :facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

lol

where exactly is your argument... you dont know tennis, dresta.. your argument is 'brutal sport' :lol

"traducing" :roll:

[gigantes]

i think arbitrary's belief is that if you squint just right and stick to the right narratives, rafa can be seen as a greater player than fed.

as fed continues to impress and rafa continues to drop off, that vision gets harder and harder to maintain.

[ArbitraryWater]

wow

yall terrible

[poido123]

Murray dispatches of Berdych with ease.

Raonic will have to be on his A game to take Murray in a 5-setter. I think he can do it though. As I've said before, I think Raonic has #1 player in the World potential.


while I think he will win one or two slams in his career, I don't see it.


Very few big guys like that sustain a high level of play over a long period of time.


Nimble, fast, agile players tend to make number 1 and stay there.

[Dresta]

lol

where exactly is your argument... you dont know tennis, dresta.. your argument is 'brutal sport' :lol

"traducing" :roll:
Errr.. no: i've played and watched Tennis since I was 5 years old, which was probably before you were born. It is brutal on the joints and the wear and tear is worse than almost any other sport (i'd say a fast bowler, in cricket, might be up there too). This is why Tennis players very often disappear once they hit 30; what Federer is doing right now is incredible and unprecedented.

And what's wrong with the word "traducing"?

traduce definition:


speak badly of or tell lies about (someone) so as to damage their reputation.

That's exactly what you're trying to do. Now i know the reason why is that you have a Rafael Nadal fetish--do you do this sort of shit in every sport?

[poido123]

I totally agree.

In the meantime Murray walked on Berdych as expected... 3-6 3-6 3-6 :facepalm



That was a bit surprising.


You would think with Berdych's quality, he could win at least one set.


Like a lot of big guys, if you get them moving around out of their hitting zones, they struggle.

[poido123]

Errr.. no: i've played and watched Tennis since I was 5 years old, which was probably before you were born. It is brutal on the joints and the wear and tear is worse than almost any other sport (i'd say a fast bowler, in cricket, might be up there too). This is why Tennis players very often disappear once they hit 30; what Federer is doing right now is incredible and unprecedented.

And what's wrong with the word "traducing"?

traduce definition:



That's exactly what you're trying to do. Now i know the reason why is that you have a Rafael Nadal fetish--do you do this sort of shit in every sport?


That's true.


And the thing with Federer is, he is efficient with his movement. If you watch him, he tends to use a lot of slice on recovery shots, avoiding getting right over to the ball and hitting topspin, where guys like Nadal and Joker tend to run to every shot and hit everything(though Joker does a bit of both).


Nadal is already declining because of that inefficient movement...a high intensity game that he has, with the amount of movement he does, he was bound to drop off earlier in his career.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rafa has declined because of Kohlers

Ferrer plays the same high intensity game as him, never had one injury in his life... no Kohlers though.

Yall have to read up before making ignorant statements.

[poido123]

Rafa has declined because of Kohlers

Ferrer plays the same high intensity game as him, never had one injury in his life... no Kohlers though.

Yall have to read up before making ignorant statements.


Dude, I've coached and played at a fairly high level.


You don't know shit.

[Dresta]

I think Arbitrary is now making the argument that serving an ace has the same wear and tear on the body as a 20 shot rally.

:roll:

Of course their style of play is a factor.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think Arbitrary is now making the argument that serving an ace has the same wear and tear on the body as a 20 shot rally.

:roll:

Of course their style of play is a factor.

Right, but a bone defect has accelerated multiple knee injuries in his career and drastically cut into his prime.. would be a bit ignorant to name playing style as primary factor, no?

[gigantes]

Rafa has declined because of Kohlers

Ferrer plays the same high intensity game as him, never had one injury in his life... no Kohlers though.

Yall have to read up before making ignorant statements.
this is a pretty good discussion of the matter:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/in-defense-of-nadals-style-of-play-the-anatomical-side-of-things.467942/

but note-- it also points out that several other players have had worse issues to deal with than nadal. and he's not the only contemporary guy with serious issues, either. murray was apparently born with a split kneecap, and djoker didn't become the player that he is before learning about and dealing with his food allergies.

rafa had a choice, fairly early on, to adjust his rather violent game based on weaknesses in his feet. he choice not to. that's fine, and indeed he turned in to a great player, but you can't really complain about it at the end of the road.

[bdreason]

while I think he will win one or two slams in his career, I don't see it.


Very few big guys like that sustain a high level of play over a long period of time.


Nimble, fast, agile players tend to make number 1 and stay there.


Raonic is a big boy, but his movement is incredible for someone 6'5". He also has soft hands, and great instincts. Right now, I think he's the 3rd best player in the World... and he's getting better.

[bdreason]

And Nadal's style of play has definitely attributed to his decline. I believe he's currently out with a wrist injury? Which is undoubtedly related to having the heaviest top-spin forehand in the history of the sport.

[ArbitraryWater]

good points.. but its super random anyway, Ferrer plays the same game and never got injured ever... dude just runs out there like a mad man all game long.

So its hard to blame Rafa for his longevity, career outcome, when I know and saw, prime Rafa, beat prime Roger, consistently.

Roger himself in a '12 CNN Interview has said he's been 'lucky', because he hasnt had large injuries, unlike other stars... called it luck himself.

Becker also has said there are no ways for you to perfectly prepare yourself to avoid injuries.

I dunno.. if you take Roger because you get a full career out of him, I see no issue with that logic... but Id also believe that if you swap their paths, Nadal would end up with more slams still, shorter career and all.

Anything else would be insulting to Rafa/Nole, because we know Roger isnt getting 17 if he comes up next to Nole, and on a 5 yr older Rafa.

I hope I didnt stirr too much discussion here, for this to go into another one of those debates, so I tried to keep it as reasonably as possible.

[poido123]

Raonic is a big boy, but his movement is incredible for someone 6'5". He also has soft hands, and great instincts. Right now, I think he's the 3rd best player in the World... and he's getting better.


Similar size to Berdych, maybe a bit bigger.


When you get these big guys moving side to side, up and down, around and under, their agility isn't great.


Sure, they manage against the easier players, but when they face opponents who exploit their size and make them work, move them off their comfort spots, you can see them start to struggle a bit, particularly as the match extends.


What i will say about Raonic, he's mentally tougher this season. No way he comes back from behind in a 5 set match had he not worked on that aspect of his game. I think Goran is doing work with him currently(Goran probably owns the single most remarkable grand slam win ever against all odds).

[ArbitraryWater]

Similar size to Berdych, maybe a bit bigger.


When you get these big guys moving side to side, up and down, around and under, their agility isn't great.


Sure, they manage against the easier players, but when they face opponents who exploit their size and make them work, move them off their comfort spots, you can see them start to struggle a bit, particularly as the match extends.


What i will say about Raonic, he's mentally tougher this season. No way he comes back from behind in a 5 set match had he not worked on that aspect of his game. I think Goran is doing work with him currently(Goran probably owns the single most remarkable grand slam win ever against all odds).

he didnt really get mentally tougher... and he probably didnt work on a stronger mental game either... he just got away from being mainly a serve bot. He can hold his own in a rally.

[gigantes]

@arbitrary,
i can see how hypothetically rafa's career could have been better and i can see how hypothetically federer's could have been worse... and i can see why that makes you reluctant to give fed the credit that other tennis fans have little problem giving him, i guess.

OTOH, it seems like you underestimate not just fed's accomplishments, but what a sensation he was for the sport and the new standard he set for the competition. just as certain players do in sports, he arguably pushed the next generation to be -that- much better, not to mention he stuck around for their hey days to -still- reach finals and late stages as an older guy. you say that's not such a big thing because of how things are changing, but even now it rarely happens in tennis IMO.

navritalova is arguably the greatest woman player of all time, as well as the greatest late-career player of all time, and she did all that awhile ago.

[bdreason]

Similar size to Berdych, maybe a bit bigger.


When you get these big guys moving side to side, up and down, around and under, their agility isn't great.


Sure, they manage against the easier players, but when they face opponents who exploit their size and make them work, move them off their comfort spots, you can see them start to struggle a bit, particularly as the match extends.


What i will say about Raonic, he's mentally tougher this season. No way he comes back from behind in a 5 set match had he not worked on that aspect of his game. I think Goran is doing work with him currently(Goran probably owns the single most remarkable grand slam win ever against all odds).


I think you're underestimating Raonic's abilities. This guy isn't John Isner. He's already beating all the best movers on tour outside of Djoker and Murray.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yes Angelique!! Playing so well.. love her.

[Andrew Wiggins]

serena.....goat

[Brunch@Five]

good match, but even the good to great women's tennis matches are over after 1.5h. Inferior product. Still impressed about Kerber's performance (and not surprised about how great Serena continues to play)

[ArbitraryWater]

So close man.. a shame. Angelique is an inspiration.

[ArbitraryWater]

Raonic can definitely up his level... that was far from his best in the first.

[poido123]

Like I've said, players that can get Raonic's big body moving will have success against him.


Murray annoys the shit out of me though. His celebrations are cringe.

[poido123]

Not one set?


Raonic you p.ssy

[ArbitraryWater]

Can't believe how terribly Raonic has played the tiebreaks... wtf

[poido123]

Yep.

I had bets covering 4 and 5 set match, and win bet.


Lost all 3 lol


Taking this massive L

[ArbitraryWater]

Yep.

I had bets covering 4 and 5 set match, and win bet.


Lost all 3 lol


Taking this massive L

what do you mean win bet? Raonic to win?

[poido123]

what do you mean win bet? Raonic to win?


I looked back on past matchups including a semi final Australian Open in which Milos was leading 2 sets to 1 then retired hurt.


Milos is on the rise, He showed some guts in some of his matches leading into this one, so I thought he might of taken a lot of confidence into this match after taking out Federer.


As it was, coming out of a 5 set match into this one took a toll. I suspected it might, but I thought he'd at least get a set off Murray. you win some lose some

[Jasi]

Murray on pace for a non-calendar year grand slam

[Sarcastic]

Murray on pace for a non-calendar year grand slam

:rolleyes:

[gigantes]

Murray on pace for a non-calendar year grand slam
:oldlol:

[aj1987]

Another thread and another sport. ArbitraryWater keeps getting his shit pushed in by more knowledgeable posters. :oldlol: