Lebron is the only player in NBA history to lead a playoff series in all categories [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

TheImmortal

06-20-2016, 04:22 AM

LongLiveTheKing

06-20-2016, 04:23 AM

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3ball

06-20-2016, 04:23 AM

Why are you surprised by this? :biggums: Warriors play small ball as did the Cavaliers.. LeBron (a forward) was probably the biggest player on the floor and certainly the most athletic. When you combine that with his passing ability and scoring, he's going to put up monster numbers.
seriously - i'd like to see him against the towering, bruising front lines of the 80's and 90's.

his bully-ball style offense wouldn't work as well, especially without teammates spacing the floor for him.. with the middle of the floor packed with players, he wouldn't be able to LIVE at the rim and miss 80% of his jumpers like he does now.. without spacing, he'd need actual MOVES or jumpshot to have the same effect he has on today's game.

plowking

06-20-2016, 04:30 AM

Why are you surprised by this? :biggums:

Maybe because it has never been done? Ever...

SpaceJammeR

06-20-2016, 04:30 AM

Why are you surprised by this? :biggums: Warriors play small ball as did the Cavaliers.. LeBron (a forward) was probably the biggest player on the floor and certainly the most athletic. When you combine that with his passing ability and scoring, he's going to put up monster numbers.

you guys make like that is still an easy feat. 73-9 warriors and a very good defensive team. with klay, barnes, iguodala, and drays elite defenders. and he had the best defense between both teams. which makes it even more impressive. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

TheImmortal

06-20-2016, 04:37 AM

Maybe because it has never been done? Ever... Cool.. I guess. But just looking at his opposition and players on the floor, it's not all that surprising.

Only player that was close to him size and quickness wise that got heavy minutes was Draymond.... and he missed a game. :confusedshrug:

KingPush

06-20-2016, 04:42 AM

Cool.. I guess. But just looking at his opposition and players on the floor, it's not all that surprising.

Only player that was close to him size and quickness wise that got heavy minutes was Draymond.... and he missed a game. :confusedshrug:
Lol, so outscoring the Unanimous MVP who lead the league in scoring and being the best rebounder+shot blocker on the floor at 6'8 is not impressive? Not to mention the steals and assists...

Also, Bron>12be, no discussion anymore

JebronLames

06-20-2016, 04:44 AM

plowking

06-20-2016, 04:46 AM

Cool.. I guess. But just looking at his opposition and players on the floor, it's not all that surprising.

Only player that was close to him size and quickness wise that got heavy minutes was Draymond.... and he missed a game. :confusedshrug:

Do you not realize the mammoth effort it takes to lead in every category? To literally be the best at everything on the court.

From the regular season, Bron wasn't the leader in any of these stats between the two teams. Says a lot.

SpaceJammeR

06-20-2016, 04:47 AM

Lol, so outscoring the Unanimous MVP who lead the league in scoring and being the best rebounder+shot blocker on the floor at 6'8 is not impressive? Not to mention the steals and assists...

Also, Bron>12be, no discussion anymore

lebron is held to the craziest standards. lol it boggles my mind. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

JohnFreeman

06-20-2016, 04:47 AM

livingby3's

06-20-2016, 04:47 AM

Give credit when its due, this is an amazing feat

3ball

06-20-2016, 04:49 AM

:rolleyes:

3ball

06-20-2016, 04:50 AM

klay, barnes, iguodala, and drays elite defenders.

Those guys are all shrimps.. Draymond often played CENTER, which resulted in Lebron facing zero rim protection - this is actually pretty common in today's game due to the popularity of small ball.

The big, bruising frontcourts and towering shot-blockers of previous eras would've given Lebron a hard time - I'd love to see how he does in previous eras without 3-point shooting teammates to space the floor for him and draw defenders out of the paint - let's see how he does against the 90's Knicks and their bigs clogging the lane - he wouldn't get to the hole much, so his jumpshot would be the deciding factor.. I like those odds (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12389794&postcount=17).

TheImmortal

06-20-2016, 04:50 AM

Lol, so outscoring the Unanimous MVP who lead the league in scoring and being the best rebounder+shot blocker on the floor at 6'8 is not impressive? Not to mention the steals and assists...
LeBron is an all-time great passer.. we already knew that before the series. Ain't like there's any true point guards out there who can compete in that department.

Unanimous MVP was outscored not only by LeBron.. but also the Cavs PG in Kyrie.. (Curry with 155 PTS & Kyrie with 190 PTS) Kyrie also out assisted Curry 27 to 26..

Again.. it's a cool stat, but it isn't all that surprising..

KingPush

06-20-2016, 04:51 AM

LeBron is an all-time great passer.. we already knew that before the series. Ain't like there's any true point guards out there who can compete in that department.

Unanimous MVP was outscored not only by LeBron.. but also the Cavs PG in Kyrie.. (Curry with 155 PTS & Kyrie with 190 PTS) as well as assists 27 to 26..

Again.. it's a cool stat, but it isn't all that surprising..
Of course, given Bron is a top 3 all time player. its still a nice stat to look at though

3ball

06-20-2016, 05:01 AM

LeBron is an all-time great passer.

He averages 6.8 assists in the playoffs, which is within 1 assist of Bird and Jordan (6.4 and 5.7) - so he's on Bird/Jordan assist level, and nowhere near the REAL all-time great passers such as Magic or Stockton (12.4 and 10.5).

Furthermore, Lebron required 7.5 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) time of possession to accumulate his assists, which led everyone in the Finals, and would've ranked 5th in the regular season... In the 2015 Finals, he required an utterly ridiculous 12.0 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) time of possession, which was 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.2 minutes..

Guys like Bird and Jordan got the same assists with far less time of possession, so they were much better passers - if they had the same time of possession as Lebron, they'd average more assists than him.. We saw that when Jordan played PG in 1989 for 24 games, he averaged 30/9/11 with a stretch of 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.

aj1987

06-20-2016, 05:05 AM

He averages 6.8 assists in the playoffs, which is within 1 assist of Bird and Jordan (6.4 and 5.7) - so he's on Bird/Jordan assist level, and nowhere near the REAL all-time great passers such as Magic or Stockton (12.4 and 10.5).

Furthermore, Lebron required 7.5 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) time of possession to accumulate his assists, which led everyone in the Finals, and would've ranked 5th in the regular season... In the 2015 Finals, he required an utterly ridiculous 12.0 minutes (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) time of possession, which was 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.2 minutes..

Guys like Bird and Jordan got the same assists with far less time of possession, so they were much better passers - if they had the same time of possession as Lebron, they'd average more assists than him.. We saw that when Jordan played PG in 1989 for 24 games, he averaged 30/9/11 with a stretch of 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.
No they didn't. Ordan is a known ballhog and had a larger time of possession.

3ball

06-20-2016, 05:09 AM

No they didn't. Ordan is a known ballhog and had a larger time of possession.
You're forgetting that time of possession is a POINT GUARD STAT - Lebron and Harden are the only non-point guards in the top 50 for time of possession.

With that in mind, the 2015 Finals stats (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) show that Lebron's time of possession was 50% higher than the RS leader (so that's 50% more than ALL the point guards), yet you're telling me that Jordan (a SG who played off-ball) held the ball longer?

You don't know what the fucc you're talking about
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Meticode

06-20-2016, 05:28 AM

Maybe because it has never been done? Ever...
:oldlol: I'm dying from this simple yet obvious answer to an obvious question.

aj1987

06-20-2016, 06:14 AM

You're forgetting that time of possession is a POINT GUARD STAT - Lebron and Harden are the only non-point guards in the top 50 for time of possession.

With that in mind, the 2015 Finals stats (http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&PORound=4) show that Lebron's time of possession was 50% higher than the RS leader (so that's 50% more than ALL the point guards), yet you're telling me that Jordan (a SG who played off-ball) held the ball longer?

You don't know what the fucc you're talking about
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Ordan sucks and was a ballhog. Dude has a significantly larger time of possession than LeBron.

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

LeBird

06-20-2016, 06:20 AM

Ordan sucks and was a ballhog. Dude has a significantly larger time of possession than LeBron.

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

This fool actually tried to say that Jordan had the same amount of the ball as Bird :facepalm

KingPush

06-20-2016, 04:34 PM

Bump

3ball

06-20-2016, 04:39 PM

Lebron only averages 1 more assist than Jordan in the playoffs..

But would he have the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?... Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer (even an entire playoff run).. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).

Specifically, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency, which is more valuable, requires more energy, and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge and 1.0 assist edge.. There's never been a #1 option that scored 5-6 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. :confusedshrug:

Btw, in addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - Jordan led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.

WallIn

06-20-2016, 04:59 PM

And Skip Bayless had the audacity to make an argument for Kyrie as a Finals MVP :roll: :roll:

zbott

06-20-2016, 05:10 PM

Much respect for Bron .... though he had help, he was a beast and truly deserves the chip / MVP ....

jlip

06-20-2016, 05:13 PM

Isn't this the 5th consecutive finals where he has led his team in pts, rbs, & asts?

Hey Yo

06-20-2016, 05:21 PM

Isn't this the 5th consecutive finals where he has led his team in pts, rbs, & asts?
Correct....

I'm pretty sure he's lead every series he's played in, over the last 5 postseasons in pts, rbs, & asts. I could be wrong though.

Thompson was close to leading Cavs in TRB in last years Finals

James 13.3
Tristan 13.0

PP34Deuce

06-20-2016, 05:31 PM

Vesatile player of all time. Perfect "switching" defender and offensive player.

Lebron was their Paint protector in Game 7. He didn't defend the perimeter as much because they wanted him patrolling the paint. How many guys can just do what you ask of them to a high level. It's incredible.

Keno

06-20-2016, 06:04 PM

This is lebron's career basically in nut shell, he has to be the guy to carry the load in every aspect on the court to win and carry games, no other all time great has had to do this ever. 1 more MVP and finals MVP knowing these circumstances, Lebron will be the official undisputed goat, no debate either.