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3ball
06-20-2016, 08:28 AM
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GOAT impact on a lottery team


His supporting cast was one of the worst ever - the numbers tell the story - Jordan's 1989 cast added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games - compare that to Lebron's cast in 2009, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games.. The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that his supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.

Brand of basketball isn't an issue - we know Jordan's 1989 team played a better brand of basketball because his brand was more successful in the playoffs.. Jordan's 6th seeded Bulls beat higher seeds in every round and took the champs to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's heavily-favored 1 seed saw their brand of basketball exposed in the 2nd Round by the Magic.

Also, there's another reason Jordan's cast might've been the worst ever - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan.. Let that sink in

And Jordan's impact on his horrible cast is clearly evident - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.. Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989 to a 3-peat beginning 2 seasons later - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.



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In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored far more than Lebron on better efficiency (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist.

But would Lebron have the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?... Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer (even an entire playoff run).. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).

Specifically, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency, which is more valuable, requires more energy, and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge and 1.0 assist edge.. There's never been a #1 option that scored 5-6 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. :confusedshrug:

Btw, in addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - Jordan led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.
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Ben Simmons
06-20-2016, 08:30 AM
If jordan played optimal bball he would have won more than 47 games.

He's 33/8/8 was stat padding detrimental to his team.

scandisk_
06-20-2016, 08:31 AM
bran had u shook :lol

A lil acknowledgement wouldn't hurt bruh

MAN up and as a member of the MJ fam pay your respects to The Deliverer

:rockon:

3ball
06-20-2016, 08:57 AM
bran had u shook :lol

A lil acknowledgement wouldn't hurt bruh

MAN up and as a member of the MJ fam pay your respects to The Deliverer

:rockon:
Lebron is top 10 now at least, so there's some respect.

But Jordan had to do more.. For example, Jordan carried his 1989 lottery roster to 6 games with the champs just like Lebron did in 2015 - except Jordan led that lottery roster all season, while Lebron only led a lottery roster beginning in the Finals when everyone was hurt.. Also, here's a comparison (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12469862&postcount=13) of the double-teaming Jordan and Lebron faced while leading their "lottery" teams in the 1989 and 2015 playoffs (Jordan Rules vs. Lebron's secluded clearouts).

3ball
06-20-2016, 08:59 AM
If jordan played optimal bball he would have won more than 47 games.

He's 33/8/8 was stat padding detrimental to his team.


We know for a fact this isn't the case because the Bulls took the champs to 6 games in the 1989 ECF, proving they were better than Lebron's Cavs, who lost to the underdog Magic in the 2009 2nd Round.

So the Bulls' brand of basketball thrived at the higher level of competition and performed much better than the Cavs' brand of basketball, which was exposed and exploited.