Top 10 SF in NBA history

[Kiddlovesnets]

1. Larry Bird
2. Lebron James
3. Julius Erving
4. John Havlicek
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Scottie Pippen
7. James Worthy
8. Rick Barry
9. Dominique Wilkins
10. Kevin Durant

Anyone agree with the list? What do you think?
:cheers:

[SavageMode]

You really believe a white dude is better than Lebron at SF all-time?

[Kiddlovesnets]

You really believe a white dude is better than Lebron at SF all-time?

Thats racist man... And Bird is a top 5 player of alltime.
:no:

[Quickening]

Anyone who has Bird above Lebron at this point is rather a lebron hater or racist.

There is no argument.

[NBAGOAT]

I'll try it

1. Bron
2. Bird
3. Dr. J
4. Baylor
5. Havlicek
6. Pippen
7. Barry
8. Durant
9. Nique
10. Pierce/Dantley

[Kiddlovesnets]

Anyone who has Bird above Lebron at this point is rather a lebron hater or racist.

There is no argument.

Well at this moment Bird is still higher on the all-time list, another title for Lebron will change this of course.

[fourkicks44]

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[feyki]

Bird
Erving
Lebron
Hondo
Barry
Pippen
Pierce
Arizin
Durant
Wilkins

[aj1987]

I'll try it

1. Bron
2. Bird
3. Dr. J
4. Baylor
5. Havlicek
6. Pippen
7. Barry
8. Durant
9. Nique
10. Pierce/Dantley
Pretty much. Bird literally has NO argument over LeBron anymore.

[Jasi]

Pretty much. Bird literally has NO argument over LeBron anymore.

So you think people had Bird over LeBron just because he had more titles?
:facepalm

[Quickening]

So you think people had Bird over LeBron just because he had more titles?
:facepalm

No, because they're haters and just used that as an excuse.

Lebron's career>> Birds

[Jasi]

No, because they're haters and just used that as an excuse.

Lebron's career>> Birds

Bird's game >>> LeBron's

[brownmamba00]

Bird
LeBron
Doc
Durant
Pippen

Baylor
Nique
Pierce
Havo
Barry

[pauk]

1. Larry Bird
2. Lebron James
3. Julius Erving
4. John Havlicek
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Scottie Pippen
7. James Worthy
8. Rick Barry
9. Dominique Wilkins
10. Kevin Durant

Anyone agree with the list? What do you think?
:cheers:

Sure, arguably, if you made that list/thread last year when Lebron was tied up with Bird where you could debate who was above/beneath.... right now, you just cant...

[Quickening]

Bird's game >>> LeBron's

:lol :roll:

[brownmamba00]

Sure, arguably, if you made that list/thread last year when Lebron was tied up with Bird where you could debate who was above/beneath.... right now, you just cant...
huh last time I checked Bird had 3 of his own

[Jasi]

:lol :roll:

Great argument.
But you know that LeBron's skills aren't even comparable to Larry's.
James has a case because of his effectiveness and accolades. But those are comparable too. So overall the comparison isn't even close.

[pauk]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided... Lebron has essentially more of everything....

[brownmamba00]

DPOY.............................Not even close...................Got Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........

:biggums: :lol

[feyki]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided...

Is this analysis ? :facepalm

You need to be much more focus on about that .

[Quickening]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided... Lebron has essentially more of everything....

Shut it fcking down :applause:

[Jasi]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided... Lebron has essentially more of everything....

As if stats matter when comparing players from so different eras...
And 10 years best player? :roll:

However, I am afraid you don't know what comparable means.

[pauk]

As if stats matter when comparing players from so different eras...
And 10 years best player? :roll:

However, I am afraid you don't know what comparable means.


Is this analysis ? :facepalm

You need to be much more focus on about that .

Give me any other "analysis" of criteria you want to be brought forth.... criteria... individual play... peak... single records... milestones... skill comparisons.... ANYTHING.... what do you want?

Enough is Enough, stop disrespecting Lebron, even now after the ****ing championship run he just made in such crazy context only Bird could of dreamed of with his GOAT stacked team carrying his arse to championships (see 1981 for example with his b2b 8 point games, thats a guaranteed loss for any Lebron team especially in god damn Finals)....

[aj1987]

So you think people had Bird over LeBron just because he had more titles?
:facepalm
I had LeBron over Bird even before he won this title. This title just makes the debate moot. Tell me what argument Bird has over LeBron? Titles? Nope. FMVP's? Nope. MVP's? Nope. All-NBA? Nope. All-Def? Nope. etc..

[pauk]

DPOY.............................Not even close...................Got Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........

:biggums: :lol

It needs to be mentioned, its significant... yes, Lebron got robbed (by Gasol, was runner-up with few points, got close other times) for DPOY and Bird (never got a single vote).... that and with the all-def teams, its a small hint at him being a better defensive player... far better.... and yes, Lebron was the best player in the NBA for far longer... how long is subjectively debatable, but undisputably for much longer than Bird...

[feyki]

Give me any other "analysis" of criteria you want to be brought forth.... criteria... individual play... peak... single records... milestones... skill comparisons.... ANYTHING.... what do you want?

Enough is Enough, stop disrespecting Lebron, even now after the ****ing championship run he just made in such crazy context only Bird could of dreamed of....

You can start with year by year their levels and hold the balance with competition . And then put all in calculations . Of course , it's not working with raw stats . You should calculate what was player margin in the game ; defence , offence , with competition . You can add clutch points with watching or reading game to the statistical result . Statistical analysis just can't measure the clutchness . 1th period or 4th quarter , 20+ margin or tie game ; it's hard to measure . But you can create rules in your mind , which is more logical to you .

[pauk]

Stop it man, please.... Lebron has essentially more of everything.... you compare either accolades only or stats only or just their individual overall talents/games (or anything you wish) and Lebron has him beat... Ranking Bird over Lebron at this point is just ignorant, its either the act of either being way to nostalgic/prejudiced for your own good (sacrificing your own basketball judgement in the way) or perhaps even letting your inner secret racist make the call (who knows!!?) or both...

I mean what the **** more do you want from Lebron? 10 more championships + 10 more mvps? Averaging 50-10-10-10-10? OK, coming right up!

[feyki]

Stop it man, please.... Lebron has essentially more of everything.... you compare either accolades only or stats only or just their individual overall talents/games (or anything you wish) and Lebron has him beat... Ranking Bird over Lebron at this point is just ignorant, its either the act of either being way to nostalgic/prejudiced for your own good (sacrificing your own basketball judgement in the way)... perhaps even letting your inner secret racist make the call (who knows!!?)... or just simply way to much of a hater....

Why are you crying ? :durantunimpressed:

Everybody has different way than other one .

[Kingwillball]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided... Lebron has essentially more of everything....

Great Post Lebron>Bird no question

[ArbitraryWater]

Bird's game >>> LeBron's

stay off the NBA stuff bro

[Psileas]

1. Larry Bird
2. Lebron James
3. Julius Erving
4. John Havlicek
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Scottie Pippen
7. James Worthy
8. Rick Barry
9. Dominique Wilkins
10. Kevin Durant

Anyone agree with the list? What do you think?
:cheers:

I don't know if this is first and foremost a top 10 SF list or a disguised LeBron vs Bird list. I'll ignore the 2nd part of this assumption, since the whole board deals with this very matter these days (plus, I'm still not sure who to put at #1 - LeBron has the edge at durability and defense, Bird has the edge at shooting ability and the clutch factor. Probably leaning towards LeBron) and add I'd put Baylor over Havlicek and Barry at 6.

[Rocketswin2013]

why is durant so low?

[feyki]

I don't know if this is first and foremost a top 10 SF list or a disguised LeBron vs Bird list. I'll ignore the 2nd part of this assumption, since the whole board deals with this very matter these days (plus, I'm still not sure who to put at #1 - LeBron has the edge at durability and defense, Bird has the edge at shooting ability and the clutch factor. Probably leaning towards LeBron) and add I'd put Baylor over Havlicek and Barry at 6.

I think Elgin was a power forward . His offensive and defensive playing style make him looks like PF . Also , i do remember he guarded Tom Sanders and guarded by Sanders too in a tape( probably game 6 of 62 ) . And he's known as "Mr.Inside" , which is fit for PF .

[Meticode]

To me LeBron's officially passed Bird. In order for him to pass Bird in my eyes he needed to do exactly this. Play big in the Finals, and bring a championship to Cleveland. He did both of those things.

[Jasi]

stay off the NBA stuff bro

Ah, I'd forgot about your LeBron mancrush :rolleyes: :cheers:

But it is what it is. I'd pick Bird over LeBron as my main guy most of the times (and I think sure most experts would).

[Kiddlovesnets]

To me LeBron's officially passed Bird. In order for him to pass Bird in my eyes he needed to do exactly this. Play big in the Finals, and bring a championship to Cleveland. He did both of those things.

To me Lebron needs another ring to surpass Bird and two more rings to surpass Magic. The NBA Finals winning% is still a letdown until it goes back to at least 50%. Stats-wise Lebron is better, but only marginally better.

[Champ]

Accolades:

.......................................Bird....... .....................Lebron............
MVP...................................3........... ......................4................
FMVP.................................2............ ......................3...............
Rings..................................3.......... .......................3................
1st All-NBA..........................9.................... .............10..............
1st All-Defense.....................0..................... ............5...............
ROTY.................................Yes.......... ....................Yes.............
DPOY..............................Not close.....................1 Robbed........
Best player in NBA................~4 yrs.......................~10 yrs..........
NBA All-Star........................12.................... ...........12...............
All-Star MVP.........................1..................... ...........2................
Scoring Champ......................0...................... ..........1................

Stats:

Points........................21791 (24 ppg)................26833 (27 ppg).....
Rebs............................8974 (10 rpg)..................7067 (7 rpg).......
Assists..........................5695 (6 apg)..................6815 (7 apg)......
Steals...........................1556 (1.7 spg)...............1657 (1.7 spg).....
Blocks.............................755 (0.8 bpg)...............773 (0.8 bpg).....
PER...............................23.5 (#17).........................27.7 (#2)......


Im sure there lots more.... but you will eventually get the point of the comparison by now being way to much one sided... Lebron has essentially more of everything....

Most of these career numbers are based on LeBron playing more games.

[riseagainst]

Lebron is better than Bird.

[Meticode]

To me Lebron needs another ring to surpass Bird and two more rings to surpass Magic. The NBA Finals winning% is still a letdown until it goes back to at least 50%. Stats-wise Lebron is better, but only marginally better.
That's where we'll disagree. A championship in Cleveland will be his crowning achievement no matter how many more titles he might win. He broke the curse. He did what he set out to do when he came back. Him and Irving led the team back down 3-1 having to win 2 games in Oakland against the best regular season team...ever.

If he showed up small in the Finals and the won I could see the argument, but he absolutely showed up and was reason 1a why they came back with Irving be 1b of why they stayed close in games to make them winnable.

[Meticode]

1. Larry Bird
2. Lebron James
3. Julius Erving
4. John Havlicek
5. Elgin Baylor
6. Scottie Pippen
7. James Worthy
8. Rick Barry
9. Dominique Wilkins
10. Kevin Durant

Anyone agree with the list? What do you think?
:cheers:
I agree with the players listed. Every single one of them, but not the order. ESPN already had Durant at #4. LMAO

[Quickening]

Most of these career numbers are based on LeBron playing more games.
You ignoring how he average more per game? Oh and guess what, having elite longevity is a big factor...