At age 31, MJ had only 3 rings like Lebron currently

[SavageMode]

:applause:

[SpaceJam]

How many rings did MJ have after the same amount of seasons though?

[Quickening]

But Lebron made the finals 4 more times, whereas MJ exited in the first round so MJ>Lebron, am I doing it right? :cheers:

[plowking]

How many rings did MJ have after the same amount of seasons though?

I never thought seasons played was a good way of comparing players. Neither is age, but probably slightly better.

You'll rarely find in a comparison that two players played the same amount of seasons.

[3ball]

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Jordan's championship frequency was 6/15, which is the goat championship frequency of the post 1960's modern era (40.0% frequency).

Otoh, Lebron's championship frequency is a paltry 3/13 by comparison, despite team-hopping twice to play with multiple all-star teammates.

It's all facts... Lebron's inferiority is clear as day.. :applause:

[theaussieguy]

pretty amazing tbh, Lebron is actually on line to decimate Jordan, I think when its all said and done Lebron will be number 1 with 7 rings.

[SavageMode]

pretty amazing tbh, Lebron is actually on line to decimate Jordan, I think when its all said and done Lebron will be number 1 with 7 rings.
Not to mention what was Jordan's competition in his era? Has he ever faced a 73-9 juggernaut of a team?

[Quickening]

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Jordan's 6/15 championship frequency (40%) is the goat championship frequency of the post 1960's modern era.

Otoh, Lebron's championship frequency is a paltry 3/13 by comparison, despite team-hopping twice to play with multiple all-star teammates.

I mean, it's all facts... Clear as day inferiority for Lebron.. :applause:

He didn't look like winning anything in the competitive 80s though, had to wait for the watered down 90s, its a shame. He is still the GOAT at the moment, but its a shit stain on his legacy.

[theaussieguy]

Not to mention what was Jordan's competition in his era? Has he ever faced a 73-9 juggernaut of a team?

exactly, and Jordan went to town on a very weak league during rapid expansion where the metriculation of competitive talent couldn't keep up with the number of new teams.

Jordan is obviously great, but all his rings deserve an asterix during this era.

[3ball]

He didn't look like winning anything in the competitive 80s though


His supporting cast was one of the worst ever - the numbers prove it - Jordan's 1989 cast added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games.. Compare that to Lebron's cast in 2009, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games..

The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that his supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.

Brand of basketball isn't an issue - we know Jordan's 1989 team played a better brand of basketball because his brand was more successful in the playoffs.. Jordan's 6th seeded Bulls beat higher seeds in every round and took the champs to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's heavily-favored 1 seed saw their brand of basketball exposed in the 2nd Round by the Magic.

Also, there's another reason Jordan's cast might've been the worst ever - no all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan.. Let that sink in

And Jordan's impact on his horrible cast is clearly evident - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.. Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989 to a 3-peat beginning 2 seasons later - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.

[Bawkish]

LOL the overrated 73-9 "juggernaut"

on the verge of losing against OKC

yup that "juggernaut" :lol