As a non-stan, Lebron is Amazing.

[jack612blue]

How is this even possible?

Leading everybody in Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks.

He is the ultimate 2 way player. No one has such an impact on the game like he does.

Players are legit scared of going up for layups when Bran is trailing.

[SavageMode]

He is very underrated as a defender. How often do you see chasedown blocks? Lebron basically created the chasedown block. His defense puts him #1 SF all time. Bird couldn't do chasedown blocks.

Lebron is a generational player like Shaq and MJ.
We are witnessing greatness.

[DirkNowitzki41]

This whole year, people were asking who the best 2 way players were, and you heard Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and Klay Thompson's name time and time again.

but never LeBron James.. and I never understood why. He is the most well rounded player in the history of the game. Elite scorer, elite rebounder, elite passer, elite defender.

I know he wasnt this great on D in the regular season (saving it for when it counts) but my god, this guy was a defensive force all series long. And to be just that while still leading in pts, rbs, asts, stls, and blocks? Unbelievable.

[3ball]

Lebron led everybody in Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks.


Jordan ALSO led his team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks during the 1997 playoff run.. (edit: Jordan averaged 7.9 rebounds to Rodman's 8.3).

Jordan also scored 12 ppg more than his 2nd option, while Lebron scored 2 more than Kyrie this year.





Lebron is the ultimate 2 way player.


Is that why he allowed a role player to double his scoring average and win FMVP in 2015 Finals?... And did the same thing in 2014 Finals?

The reality is that Lebron let Iggy and Kawhi crush him, while Jordan dominates Magic and Drexler... Lebron's 2-way battles in his individual matchups don't compare to Jordan's.





No one has such an impact on the game like he does.


In the playoffs and Finals, Jordan scored far more than Lebron on better efficiency (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist.

Now could Lebron maintain the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?... Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer, including an entire playoff run.. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).

Specifically, Jordan scored 5.5 more ppg with better efficiency, which is more valuable, requires more energy, and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge and 1.0 assist edge.. There's never been a #1 option that scored 5-6 more points on better efficiency that wasn't considered the FAR better player.. :confusedshrug:

Btw, in addition to Jordan's goat scoring load, he also led his team in passing, just like Lebron - Jordan led the Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best-ever defense at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried.





No one has such an impact on the game like he does.



The numbers prove that Jordan had the goat impact on a lottery team


Jordan's 1989 cast added enough help on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games - compare that to Lebron's cast in 2009, which added enough help on top of his 28/8/7 to win 66 games.. The only possible reasons for the Cavs winning 19 more games despite Lebron's inferior production is that his supporting cast was better and/or they played inferior competition.. Obviously, the 19 additional wins isn't ONLY due to inferior competition - it's due to better supporting cast as well.

Brand of basketball isn't an issue - we know Jordan's 1989 team played a better brand of basketball because his brand was more successful in the playoffs.. Jordan's 6th seeded Bulls beat higher seeds in every round and took the champs to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's heavily-favored 1 seed saw their brand of basketball exposed in the 2nd Round by the Magic.

And Jordan's impact on his horrible cast is clearly evident - in 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.. Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989 to a 3-peat beginning 2 seasons later - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.