I still have Duncan and Shaq above Lebron

[Chadwin]

playoff excellence>regular season accolades

[raprap]

3 rings, greatest elimination player in history and 7 finals appearance.




:lebronamazed:

[NattyPButter]

guess what...u think most of care?

[SouBeachTalents]

All with 3 FMVP's :applause:

[Lebron23]

Bron is better than both of them.

[Haymaker]

They all belong to the HOF. They all dominated in one way or another during their best years. Bron still has some games to play so let's see.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Duncan if only for his longevity, but prime and peak play belong to LeBron. Ditto with Shaq who has underrated longevity.

I have them both >> Duncan all time.

[Chadwin]

Duncan if only for his longevity, but prime and peak play belong to LeBron. Ditto with Shaq who has underrated longevity.

I have them both >> Duncan all time.

prime Shaq shits all over any version of LeBron

[SexSymbol]

obviously both are still up on bron, they have more more rings and were much better finals performers

[Straight_Ballin]

obviously both are still up on bron, they have more more rings and were much better finals performers

Exactly. Just cause some kid can't understand that Shaq and Duncan are better doesn't make Lebron better by default. :lol

[SexSymbol]

Exactly. Just cause some kid can't understand that Shaq and Duncan are better doesn't make Lebron better by default. :lol
The funny things is after 7 tries, Bron only has 2 series in which he played great in 12 and 16.

Neither Shaq nor Duncan were ever as bad in the finals as Bron was in 07 11 14 or 15

[Haymaker]

The funny things is after 7 tries, Bron only has 2 series in which he played great in 12 and 16.

Neither Shaq nor Duncan were ever as bad in the finals as Bron was in 07 11 14 or 15

You couldn't ask any more from him in the '15 finals. He managed to win two games with the worst team in the league: A Cavs team without Love or Irving.

[SouBeachTalents]

The funny things is after 7 tries, Bron only has 2 series in which he played great in 12 and 16.

Neither Shaq nor Duncan were ever as bad in the finals as Bron was in 07 11 14 or 15

lol at a Kobe stan criticizing Finals performances

[SexSymbol]

You couldn't ask any more from him in the '15 finals. He managed to win two games with the worst team in the league: A Cavs team without Love or Irving.
You couldn't have asked more, but you could've asked for him to play differently. If he even tried to defend at his half capacity on that end, Cavs would've won last year and comfortably. Iggy killed them and LeBron was straight up leaving him wide open it was laughable defense by a player who can be great on that end.
Go back to the good old box scores and look at the supporting casts in those finals, bron's supporting cast outperformed Curry's 4 times out of 6. This isn't some bullshit, just look at it and you'll see, he only needed to defend and be less selfish.

[SexSymbol]

lol at a Kobe stan criticizing Finals performances
and? For the most part Kobe was good to great in the finals.

[NBAGOAT]

prime Shaq shits all over any version of LeBron

where do you rank both primes. I have both top 5 so I fail to see how Shaq shits on Lebron.

[Quickening]

LeBron is consensus top 5 all time :applause:

[aj1987]

and? For the most part Kobe was good to great in the finals.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe averaged 25/5/4 on 40% in the Finals. Dude had one good Finals and that was in '02. Even in that, he was outplayed by a massive margin by Shaq.


Duncan if only for his longevity, but prime and peak play belong to LeBron. Ditto with Shaq who has underrated longevity.

I have them both >> Duncan all time.
Pretty much.

[jlip]

I think a case can be made for Shaq, but I probably would have Lebron slightly ahead him.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think a case can be made for Shaq, but I probably would have Lebron slightly ahead him.

pretty much.. no case for Duncan though.

[Odinn]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe averaged 25/5/4 on 40% in the Finals. Dude had one good Finals and that was in '02. Even in that, he was outplayed by a massive margin by Shaq.
Well, 2009 was also good. Surely he never had a legendary finals series. But you have to give credit his 2009 performance.

[Springsteen]

You couldn't have asked more, but you could've asked for him to play differently. If he even tried to defend at his half capacity on that end, Cavs would've won last year and comfortably. Iggy killed them and LeBron was straight up leaving him wide open it was laughable defense by a player who can be great on that end.
Go back to the good old box scores and look at the supporting casts in those finals, bron's supporting cast outperformed Curry's 4 times out of 6. This isn't some bullshit, just look at it and you'll see, he only needed to defend and be less selfish.

This dude's reliable second and third option was Matthew Dellavadova and Tristain Thompson :biggums:

The man literally shouldered the entire offense and playmaking by himself, near 40 point triple doubles every game :biggums:

And you're saying he should've had it in him to be the best defender on the floor too :biggums:

http://i.imgur.com/8wuVehn.gif

[aj1987]

Well, 2009 was also good. Surely he never had a legendary finals series. But you have to give credit his 2009 performance.
If the dude thinks LeBron's '14 and '15 Finals were shitty, then Kobe's were way worse than LeBron's. I'm just going by that dude's standards.

On a side note, this is why I think legit Spurs fans are awesome. You guys actually give mad props to a great performance/player.

[Chadwin]

where do you rank both primes. I have both top 5 so I fail to see how Shaq shits on Lebron.

of people I saw play live

1. MJ
2. Shaq
3. Hakeem
4. LeBron
5. Duncan

[Pointguard]

Lebron Could win on a good team, bad team or a team built around him. The biggest difference is what he could do with inferior coaching. Lebron is the only guy who consistently wins without great coaching and the only one whose beaten great teams that have great coaches. He's also isn't dependent on others to feed him. He can win games in more of a variety of ways and he's better in a fast tempo game and has more control in a slower paced game. Lebron can dictate more than Duncan and was better at winning than Shaq. He's more consistent and productive than they are and can be counted on to fight like a bigger tiger than them as well.

He's some type of new mf'er.

[90sgoat]

Dumb kids and your prisoner of the moment.

We just had the biggest slaying of dumb kids prisoner of the moments with Curry and now you don't learn a thing and go all in on Lebron.

Lebron is not close to Duncan or Shaq. He is not even as good as Hakeem in the finals.

How would you know, if you began watching in 2011 though.

[Pointguard]

On a side note, this is why I think legit Spurs fans are awesome. You guys actually give mad props to a great performance/player.
yes. And very knowledgeable.

[Pointguard]

Dumb kids...

We just had the biggest slaying of dumb kids prisoner of the moments with Curry and now you don't learn a thing and go all in on Lebron.

Care to compare their career close out games to Lebron's. Career! not moments!

[Straight_Ballin]

Lebron Could win on a good team, bad team or a team built around him. The biggest difference is what he could do with inferior coaching. Lebron is the only guy who consistently wins without great coaching and the only one whose beaten great teams that have great coaches. He's also isn't dependent on others to feed him. He can win games in more of a variety of ways and he's better in a fast tempo game and has more control in a slower paced game. Lebron can dictate more than Duncan and was better at winning than Shaq. He's more consistent and productive than they are and can be counted on to fight like a bigger tiger than them as well.

He's some type of new mf'er.

I don't know how long you been watching bron, but he used to be prone to checking out in the 4th qtr of big games. It wasn't until he joined forces with wade and got a little bit of mental stability that he was able to start succeeding. It's was the same thing with Pippen. It took Pippen a lil while before MJ was able to mold him into a player with strong mental fortitude. Let's just be real about it.

[Fire Colangelo]

It's crazy that Lebron has a similar resume to Shaq and Duncan at 31 years old.

Dude has more MVP than Shaq and Duncan combined, and just as many Finals MVPs. Can you imagine what Lebron will be sitting at at the end of his career? 30K/10K/10K totals? I wouldn't be surprised if he finished his career as a top 2 player to ever play the game behind Jordan.

[90sgoat]

Care to compare their career close out games to Lebron's. Career! not moments!

Why?

Shaq ran through teams in an all time dominant fashion in the early 00s.

You're literally off your rockers if you don't see that Shaq's dominance is only rivaled by a few players all time (MJ, Kareem, Wilt).

Lebron is not close. NOT EVEN CLOSE, to Shaqs dominance. Did you watch Shaq?

Duncan was the best or second best big man for almost 20 years. He beat Lebron AND Wade in his twilight while they were in their prime. And the second he can't play anymore, Spurs are just an ordinary team.

Lebron is not that good.

Bird beat MJ, Isaiah, Dr. J, Moses, Magic, Kareem. Bird beat the GOAT.

Did you watch Hakeem? Did you watch Hakeem revolutionize the center position on offense, having moves like a guard, while being the DPOY level defense? Winning without a single all star teammate? Lebron needed two hall of famers.

I replace Lebron with Sir Charles, he gets at least 3/7.

[Jasper]

playoff excellence>regular season accolades
one more chip he leaves alot of them in the dust...

[Jameerthefear]

The funny things is after 7 tries, Bron only has 2 series in which he played great in 12 and 16.

Neither Shaq nor Duncan were ever as bad in the finals as Bron was in 07 11 14 or 15
you honestly are the dumbest poster on this website

[NBAGOAT]

Why?

Shaq ran through teams in an all time dominant fashion in the early 00s.

You're literally off your rockers if you don't see that Shaq's dominance is only rivaled by a few players all time (MJ, Kareem, Wilt).

Lebron is not close. NOT EVEN CLOSE, to Shaqs dominance. Did you watch Shaq?

Duncan was the best or second best big man for almost 20 years. He beat Lebron AND Wade in his twilight while they were in their prime. And the second he can't play anymore, Spurs are just an ordinary team.

Lebron is not that good.

Bird beat MJ, Isaiah, Dr. J, Moses, Magic, Kareem. Bird beat the GOAT.

Did you watch Hakeem? Did you watch Hakeem revolutionize the center position on offense, having moves like a guard, while being the DPOY level defense? Winning without a single all star teammate? Lebron needed two hall of famers.

I replace Lebron with Sir Charles, he gets at least 3/7.

Lebron's dominance this year in the playoffs or 2009 or 2012 isn't too far off. Good case for top 5 after the guys you listed regular season post season peak. Hakeem's resume isn't quite Bron's because outside of 93-95, he doesn't really have any top 3 type years. Lebron has more top end years(09,10,12,13) and has been consensus top 3 from 08-16.

[90sgoat]

Lebron's dominance this year in the playoffs or 2009 or 2012 isn't too far off. Good case for top 5 after the guys you listed regular season post season peak. Hakeem's resume isn't quite Bron's because outside of 93-95, he doesn't really have any top 3 type years. Lebron has more top end years(09,10,12,13) and has been consensus top 3 from 08-16.

I don't need longevity due to HGH - and that IS the reason for it - I judge players on their peaks and Lebron does not have a peak like Hakeem, Lebron does not even have a better peak than Charles Barkley who won MVP over the GOAT.

Barkley averaged 27-13-6 against MJ in the finals. That's as good as anything Lebron has ever done.

Why is this so difficult to understand, it makes no sense for you all to rank Lebron when you literally have no idea what Barkley or Hakeem or Malone were like.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't need longevity due to HGH - and that IS the reason for it - I judge players on their peaks and Lebron does not have a peak like Hakeem, Lebron does not even have a better peak than Charles Barkley who won MVP over the GOAT.

Barkley averaged 27-13-6 against MJ in the finals. That's as good as anything Lebron has ever done.

Why is this so difficult to understand, it makes no sense for you all to rank Lebron when you literally have no idea what Barkley or Hakeem or Malone were like.

Lebron has a better peak than Barkley that is laughable. Just the defensive end makes it not close and Barkley was not nearly the passer Lebron is and I love Barkley(arguably the GOAT post player). 93 MJ wasn't peak MJ and a lot of people think MJ and Hakeem were still better that year. Wat do you mean nothing better, it's not like MJ was guarding him :oldlol:. I would take 30/11/9 over 27/13/6 definitely so I disagree .

[90sgoat]

Lebron has a better peak than Barkley that is laughable. Just the defensive end makes it not close and Barkley was not nearly the passer Lebron is and I love Barkley(arguably the GOAT post player). 93 MJ wasn't peak MJ and a lot of people think MJ and Hakeem were still better that year. Wat do you mean nothing better, it's not like MJ was guarding him :oldlol:. I would take 30/11/9 over 27/13/6 definitely so I disagree .

No that is not laughable, where you even born in 1993?

Barkley was a much superior rebounder, a much, much better scorer than Lebron.

MJ was absolutely peak MJ what in the world are you talking about he averaged 40 ppg in that finals:roll:

Sorry can't take this seriously:roll:

[Quickening]

No that is not laughable, where you even born in 1993?

Barkley was a much superior rebounder, a much, much better scorer than Lebron.

MJ was absolutely peak MJ what in the world are you talking about he averaged 40 ppg in that finals:roll:

Sorry can't take this seriously:roll:

Go away old man, you sound as bad as wilt fans, Barkley better than Lebron :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

No that is not laughable, where you even born in 1993?

Barkley was a much superior rebounder, a much, much better scorer than Lebron.

MJ was absolutely peak MJ what in the world are you talking about he averaged 40 ppg in that finals:roll:

Sorry can't take this seriously:roll:

peak MJ was 90/91. It's not a huge difference but it's like comparing 13 Lebron to 14 Lebron, still noticeable. Barkley was not a "much, much" better scorer than Lebron. The numbers don't show this at all and he had less range and obviously had less wing scoring skills than Lebron being a big man. Ofc he was better as a post up guy for similar reasons. It's laughable when you're comparing a top 5 peak of all time in most people's eyes to like a top 20 peak of all time. You still haven't considered the defense or playmaking edge which are both huge.

[K Xerxes]

The funny things is after 7 tries, Bron only has 2 series in which he played great in 12 and 16.

Neither Shaq nor Duncan were ever as bad in the finals as Bron was in 07 11 14 or 15

Well, it's quite clear that LeBron played better in 14 and 15 than Shaq did in 06 and Duncan did 14. Both Shaq and Duncan were pretty much role players in those series.

The way I see it, he's had two ATG series (12 and 16), two very good series (13 and 15), one mediocre series (14) and two bad series (07, 11).

[90sgoat]

peak MJ was 90/91. It's not a huge difference but it's like comparing 13 Lebron to 14 Lebron, still noticeable. Barkley was not a "much, much" better scorer than Lebron. The numbers don't show this at all and he had less range and obviously had less wing scoring skills than Lebron being a big man. Ofc he was better as a post up guy for similar reasons. It's laughable when you're comparing a top 5 peak of all time in most people's eyes to like a top 20 peak of all time. You still haven't considered the defense or playmaking edge which are both huge.

40ppg in the finals is out of prime?! Can you not hear how insane that sounds?

Lebron doesn't have range on Barkley not even close, Barkley was a far superior mid range scorer, far superior post scorer, equal open court scorer, slightly worse 3 point scorer. Barkley scored 35% on 3s on 4 attempts in 1993. James is a career 32% 3 point shooter in playoffs. In fact he shot 34% on 4 attempts this playoff. Completely comparable except Barkley led the league in 2 point percentage several times.

You really don't know what you're talking about, never watched him play. Saying Lebron is a better scorer than Barkley that's absurd. Barkley had post, mid range, drive game and a decent 3 ball at times. Lebron does not have a post game, does not have mid range,.

And Barkley was a top 3 rebounder of all time. Barkley was an excellent passer, you don't average 6 apg in the finals if not. Just because he didn't dominate the ball like Lebron.

Watch this, take note of his variety of scoring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5WYT3ERpo

[NBAGOAT]

40ppg in the finals is out of prime?! Can you not hear how insane that sounds?

Lebron doesn't have range on Barkley not even close, Barkley was a far superior mid range scorer, far superior post scorer, equal open court scorer, slightly worse 3 point scorer. Barkley scored 35% on 3s on 4 attempts in 1993. James is a career 32% 3 point shooter in playoffs. In fact he shot 34% on 4 attempts this playoff. Completely comparable except Barkley led the league in 2 point percentage several times.

You really don't know what you're talking about, never watched him play. Saying Lebron is a better scorer than Barkley that's absurd. Barkley had post, mid range, drive game and a decent 3 ball at times. Lebron does not have a post game, does not have mid range,.

And Barkley was a top 3 rebounder of all time. Barkley was an excellent passer, you don't average 6 apg in the finals if not. Just because he didn't dominate the ball like Lebron.

Watch this, take note of his variety of scoring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI5WYT3ERpo

Well let us get a few things straight. I never said Barkley wasn't better than Lebron at scoring, I just said he wasn't much much better. I never said MJ was out of his prime, I just said that wasn't peak MJ. Yes I've seen Barkley play or I wouldn't be calling him arguably the GOAT post player with Shaq. I like him but it's obvious you don't like Lebron.

Scoring 40ppg doesn't suddenly make 93 MJ his peak just like the 2016 Finals doesn't make Lebron this year better than 2013 Lebron. MJ scored 45ppg vs the Cavs in 88, that must be MJ at his best then right? Lebron has a post game, did you watch in him in 2013? It's not in the same stratosphere as Barkley's but then again few are. The 3 pt shooting is not comparable and your cherrypicking was just laughable. :oldlol:. Barkley is one of the worst 3pt shooters ever at his volume. Career average of 27% and season high of 34%. Lebron averages 34% for his career and has a season high of 40%. Barkley did not have a much superior midrange game if all, he's no Dirk or even Malone. Phila charted his shots in a whole bunch of games awhile back, he shot under 37% from midrange. He went back and watched those games and charted every shot. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=296225.

Barkley's a great rebounder and much better than Lebron but that is hyperbole, he's not even a top 5 rebounder of all time. Rodman, Wilt, Russell, Moses, Dwight just off the top of my head. Final point about dominating the ball could be used to discredit any PG's too and is irrelevant just like how Barkley is a better rebounder because he always plays in the paint while Lebron is frequently on the perimeter. Even with that, Barkley didn't have the passing ability Lebron had. There were plenty of highlight reel passes from just these Finals.

Edit: And I have no idea we're just arguing about Barkley's scoring vs Lebron's scoring when there are other parts to the game(defense and playmaking). Barkley is actually a much better scorer than someone like KG or Duncan and I would take their peaks over his too because of the other things they did.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You know a muthafuka is beyond delusional trying to argue Barkley has an argument over LeBron either in peak or prime play.

Just straight up idiocy. :oldlol:

LeBron was the better finisher, playmaker, and shooter from the outside (see: 2013 and 2014). Above all else though he takes a steaming pile of crap on Barkley's defense who was always below average on that end.

Haven't even got into intangibles ie. leadership and actually taking care of your physical health.

[Lebron23]

5th NBA Regular Season MVP, and 4x NBA title here we go.

[NBAGOAT]

You know a muthafuka is beyond delusional trying to argue Barkley has an argument over LeBron either in peak or prime play.

Just straight up idiocy. :oldlol:

LeBron was the better finisher, playmaker, and shooter from the outside (see: 2013 and 2014). Above all else though he takes a steaming pile of crap on Barkley's defense who was always below average on that end.

Haven't even got into intangibles ie. leadership and actually taking care of your physical health.

I mean even if you think Barkley's vastly superior scorer which he's not, by that logic you take peak Barkley over peak KG or Duncan too and that's kind of laughable. I might give Barkley the edge in finishing however, Phila's shot charts said he shot like 80% at the rim even if Lebron is also one of the best finishers ever.

[Lebron23]

LeBron officially surpassed Barkley when he won his 2nd MVP Award in 2010.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I mean even if you think Barkley's vastly superior scorer which he's not, by that logic you take peak Barkley over peak KG or Duncan too and that's kind of laughable. I might give Barkley the edge in finishing however, Phila's shot charts said he shot like 80% at the rim even if Lebron is also one of the best finishers ever.

Barkley had midrange on LeBron and that's it. LeBron finishes at the rim better, shot the three ball better, and back during the 2013 and 2014 seasons, was also ELITE from in-between.

LeBron is clearly the better and more efficient scorer...and only a complete dunce would argue it.

[NBAGOAT]

He's not even a better scorer.

Barkley had midrange on LeBron and that's it. LeBron finishes at the rim better, shot the three ball better, and back during the 2013 and 2014 seasons, was also ELITE from in-between.

LeBron is clearly the better and more efficient scorer. Only a complete dunce would argue it.

yep the volume just isn't there for Barkley. It's easy to shit on his midrange and postgame now but it was really ****ing good in miami. His post game was one of the best in the league for a wing.

[90sgoat]

Barkley had midrange on LeBron and that's it. LeBron finishes at the rim better, shot the three ball better, and back during the 2013 and 2014 seasons, was also ELITE from in-between.

LeBron is clearly the better and more efficient scorer...and only a complete dunce would argue it.

You're exposing yourself.

Lebron has rim finishing on Barkley, are you insane? Barkley led the league in 2 point percentage for 5 years straight of over 60%!

You guys are plain ignorant.

Ignorant and willingly delusional.

[NBAGOAT]

You're exposing yourself.

Lebron has rim finishing on Barkley, are you insane? Barkley led the league in 2 point percentage for 5 years straight of over 60%!

You guys are plain ignorant.

Ignorant and willingly delusional.

It's not that far off. Phila charted Barkley% at the rim at 81%. Lebron in Miami shot 78% and 80% at the rim in 13 and 14.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You're exposing yourself.

Lebron has rim finishing on Barkley, are you insane? Barkley led the league in 2 point percentage for 5 years straight of over 60%!

You guys are plain ignorant.

Ignorant and willingly delusional.

LeBron is one of the greatest finishers of the basket, with or behind Jordan, as far as perimeter players go.

LeBron had multiple seasons shooting roughly ~80% from the cup. That is earth-shattering, big man efficiency (with unreal athleticism and dexterity with his left hand its not surprising why MOST consider him the better finisher).

Again, when it pertains to offense, the only thing Barkley had on LeBron was the in-between shot...and that was probably negated back in 2013 and 2014 when Lebron killed it from midrange.

Quit being delusional and wake the f*ck up. :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron is one of the greatest finishers of the basket, with or behind Jordan, as far as perimeter players go.

LeBron had multiple seasons shooting roughly ~80% from the cup. That is earth-shattering, big man efficiency.

Again, when it pertains to offense, the only thing Barkley had on LeBron was the in-between shot...and that was probably negated back in 2013 and 2014 when Lebron killed it from midrange.

Quit being delusional and wake the f*ck up. :oldlol:

90sgoat is a poor mans 3ball


Stop falling for his trolling traps! :biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Pretty sure LeBron had at rim percentages which equaled prime Shaq

[NBAGOAT]

Pretty sure LeBron had at rim percentages which equaled prime Shaq

tbf so did Barkley.

[90sgoat]

LeBron is one of the greatest finishers of the basket, with or behind Jordan, as far as perimeter players go.

LeBron had multiple seasons shooting roughly ~80% from the cup. That is earth-shattering, big man efficiency (with unreal athleticism and dexterity with his left hand its not surprising why MOST consider him the better finisher).

Again, when it pertains to offense, the only thing Barkley had on LeBron was the in-between shot...and that was probably negated back in 2013 and 2014 when Lebron killed it from midrange.

Quit being delusional and wake the f*ck up. :oldlol:

Lebron gets his at rim points in a time without big men and open lanes. Barkley got his points as a 6'6'' pf in the age of great centers and power forwards.

As I said, you're ignorant and willfully delusional.

[90sgoat]

Pretty sure LeBron had at rim percentages which equaled prime Shaq

Yes, they consists of open non contested layups.

Barkleys consisted of post moves on bigger players.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron gets his at rim points in a time without big men and open lanes. Barkley got his points as a 6'6'' pf in the age of great centers and power forwards.

As I said, you're ignorant and willfully delusional.

The NBA TV crew, comprised of superstars from the 80s and 90s, said LeBron would be an even GREATER player during the time they played. :confusedshrug:

I don't necessarily agree, but if that's your argument above, I'll just throw your bullshit right back at you.

Either make a coherent rebuttal or concede the facts presented.

[Pointguard]

Why?

Shaq ran through teams in an all time dominant fashion in the early 00s.
With a top three player and the best coach while no other team had anything similar. And still controversy covered two of those rings. He was indeed crazy dominant for three years. He had superb teammates for about eight years with them underachieving for the most part. Lebron's eight year run was vastly superior.


You're literally off your rockers if you don't see that Shaq's dominance is only rivaled by a few players all time (MJ, Kareem, Wilt).
Three year run yes Shaq is up there. But that's not the question. He was on lots of teams that got swept because he could not adapt.


Lebron is not close. NOT EVEN CLOSE, to Shaqs dominance. Did you watch Shaq?

Dominant is inferior to being a better player.


Duncan was the best or second best big man for almost 20 years. He beat Lebron AND Wade in his twilight while they were in their prime. And the second he can't play anymore, Spurs are just an ordinary team.
Superior coach, superior team, superior schemes... Golden State like.

[Stringer Bell]

Barkley actually was pretty amazing, particularly in the late 80s and early 90s, crazy efficiency (he shot too many 3s though) in the paint, incredible offensive rebounder. With all the talk of Rodman's rebounding, I was actually more impressed with Barkley's because he would expend all that energy carrying his team offensively and grab all those rebounds. He was also said to be generously listed at 6'6. He was a very inconsistent defender though, particularly poor at defending the pick-and-roll. As he said "it's not that I can't play D, I just don't want to".

That's not to say Barkley was as good as LeBron, he wasn't.

Anyway, Duncan, Shaq, & LeBron are all pretty interchangable to me all-time. I won't seriously argue with any order of the rankings people have those 3.