do 3 shots make that big of a difference? 9/24 vs 6/24

[STATUTORY]

isn't it kind of silly for Bran fans to continue to bash Kobe for that 6/24 performance when their idol just went 9/24 in a game 7. Both wins in a hard fault series where both players did other stuff even though they didn't shoot the ball well.

is 3 shots really the difference between a bad performance and a great one? :confusedshrug:

[Xoush]

isn't it kind of silly for Bran fans to continue to bash Kobe for that 6/24 performance when their idol just went 9/24 in a game 7. Both wins in a hard fault series where both players did other stuff even though they didn't shoot the ball well.

is 3 shots really the difference between a bad performance and a great one? :confusedshrug:


It is certainly a big difference for a simple minded person.

[livinglegend]

That's 50% more than what Kobe made.
Yeah, it's a pretty big difference.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Without those 3 shots the final score is 87-89 for the Warriors ........

[LBJ 23]

Top 5 > 12th


https://media.giphy.com/media/bmujtlix2RKZG/giphy.gif

[bond10]

In the grand scheme of things, nobody will care because Lebron's face was on the leaderboard for every category.

[Nilocon165]

Without those 3 shots the final score is 87-89 for the Warriors ........
You a lebron fan now?

[TrueBlue89]

That's a massive difference. Not to mention the 11 assists.

[bigkingsfan]

Not sure if serious.

[FreezingTsmoove]

You a lebron fan now?

How does my statement make me a Lebron fan?

I literally posted a fact 😒

[K.dot ShowTime]

LeBeast

[riseagainst]

Are we forgetting that Kobe only had 2 assists and 4 turnovers?
Lebron had 11 and 5.

Kobe fans always say 5/7 > 2/7, so why does 3 not make a difference in 9/24 and 6/24?

[jstern]

Lebron would have to miss his next 12 shots in a row to match Kobe's 6/24 percentage.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron would have to miss his next 12 shots in a row to match Kobe's 6/24 percentage.

..... I think that should /thread this baby up

OP not the biggest math guy it seems

[livinglegend]

If we go by stats, Kobe would need 12 more shots to get to 9 made shots.

[Indian guy]

Why just stop at the 3 extra shots? Which, btw, is a big freaking deal. LeBron also had 9 more assists, 1 more steal, 3 more blocks and a Game Score of 23.1 to Kobe's pitiful 9.9.

There's no contest. LeBron's performance was light years better than Kobe's and it's a perfect reflection of their careers too in elimination games.

[LeBird]

Lebron would have to miss his next 12 shots in a row to match Kobe's 6/24 percentage.

:applause: Lebron outing Kobe stans for not knowing maths. Makes sense since they don't care about efficiency.

[STATUTORY]

If we go by stats, Kobe would need 12 more shots to get to 9 made shots.

what kind of retarded inference is this? So because Kobe was 6/24 on the night, he has 6/24 chance of making the next shot? :facepalm

[livinglegend]

what kind of retarded inference is this? So because Kobe was 6/24 on the night, he has 6/24 chance of making the next shot? :facepalm

It would be even less than 6/24 chance of making it because we all know Kobe sucks in clutch situations.

[Xoush]

what kind of retarded inference is this? So because Kobe was 6/24 on the night, he has 6/24 chance of making the next shot? :facepalm

Coming from the same people who circle jerk because of PER/TS/similar stats, this shouldn't be all that suprising.

[LeBird]

what kind of retarded inference is this? So because Kobe was 6/24 on the night, he has 6/24 chance of making the next shot? :facepalm

It's a statistical inference. The same kind that makes people care about stats at all.

Are you stupid? Actually, don't answer that...this thread proves you are.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron would have to miss his next 12 shots in a row to match Kobe's 6/24 percentage.
If I'm 1/1 on the night, and you are 0/1, I would have to miss the next infinite number of shots to match your percentage

still doesn't change the fact that it's actually a probabilistically non significant difference between 1/1 and 0/1

[livinglegend]

It's a statistical inference. The same kind that makes people care about stats at all.

Are you stupid? Actually, don't answer that...this thread proves you are.

And I clearly specified that by saying '' if we go with stats'', but the dumbass still didn't get it.
He is a lost cause. :applause:

[STATUTORY]

It's a statistical inference. The same kind that makes people care about stats at all.

Are you stupid? Actually, don't answer that...this thread proves you are.

it's very silly statistical inference, to use Kobe's shoot performance on the night as probability of making the next shot as oppose to his lifetime or season shooting.

I guess if a player starts the night missing the first shot, he will miss all that comes after by that logic

:facepalm

I'm sure this is too nuanced a point for your simpleton mind

[LeBird]

it's very silly statistical inference, to use Kobe's shoot performance on the night as probability of making the next shot as oppose to his lifetime or season shooting.

I guess if a player starts the night missing the first shot, he will miss all that comes after

:facepalm

It's no different than looking at players' averages in every other regard.

It's not a guarantee, but a prediction based on evidence. You're legitimately stupid son.

Again: for Lebron to have had as bad of a shooting night as Kobe, he'd need to have taken 12 more shots and missed all of them.

And that's not even counting the superior rebounding, assisting and defending.

[livinglegend]

If I'm 1/1 on the night, and you are 0/1, I would have to miss the next infinite number of shots to match your percentage

still doesn't change the fact that it's actually a probabilistically non significant difference between 1/1 and 0/1

There's a huge difference between a probability of 0% and a probability of 100%.
Are you retarded?

[Xoush]

And I clearly specified that by saying '' if we go with stats'', but the dumbass still didn't get it.
He is a lost cause. :applause:

There is no such thing as "if we go with stats".
It's like saying I got 10 tails in a row in a coin toss, therefore the next one will be heads.

[LeBird]

There is no such thing as "if we go with stats".
It's like saying I got 10 tails in a row in a coin toss, therefore the next one will be heads.

:facepalm these Kobe kids never passed maths.

[STATUTORY]

It's no different than looking at players' averages in every other regard.

It's not a guarantee, but a prediction based on evidence. You're legitimately stupid son.

Again: for Lebron to have had as bad of a shooting night as Kobe, he'd need to have taken 12 more shots and missed all of them.

And that's not even counting the superior rebounding, assisting and defending.

average over what sample size? over a sample size of 24 shots on one night? that average is suppose to have meaning?

are you retarded?

[Xoush]

:facepalm these Kobe kids never passed maths.
lol you are funny

[LeBird]

average over what sample size? over a sample size of 24 shots on one night? that average is suppose to have meaning?

are you retarded?

Yes you idiot, it has meaning. The bigger the sample the better, but you yourself are using a sample of 1 game. You can't be this retarded. :rolleyes:

[livinglegend]

There is no such thing as "if we go with stats".
It's like saying I got 10 tails in a row in a coin toss, therefore the next one will be heads.

Oh my god! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xoush]

These two must be trolling, noone is this stupid.

[LeBird]

And no matter what samples you use...Lebron is a much more efficient scorer and a far better offensive player. This is a dead end. Take your L son.

[STATUTORY]

Yes you idiot, it has meaning. The bigger the sample the better, but you yourself are using a sample of 1 game. You can't be this retarded. :rolleyes:

if you think a player's makes and misses in one night is a better predictor of his likelihood of making a shot than his makes/misses over the course of his career/season

you are just a mouthbreathing idiot

[livinglegend]

These two must be trolling, noone is this stupid.

There's no such things as ''if we go by stats''?
So, if you are coach and you have to pick a player to shoot a 3 points shoot to win you a game. You have the choice between shaq and curry. What will you base your decision on?

[LeBird]

if you think a player's makes and misses in one night is a better predictor of his likelihood of making a shot than his makes/misses over the course of his career/season

you are just a mouthbreathing idiot

You are the one using a sample of 1 game. So when the sample doesn't suit, you want a bigger one.

Well, guess what...


And no matter what samples you use...Lebron is a much more efficient scorer and a far better offensive player. This is a dead end. Take your L son.

[tamaraw08]

That's 50% more than what Kobe made.
Yeah, it's a pretty big difference.

You know what's the big difference?
Having a teammate who scores 26 pts including a crucial 3pt shot, with a +/- = +10
Lebron was a + 4 in +/- stat
Kobe on the other hand, had Gasol who had 19 pts.

[jstern]

If I'm 1/1 on the night, and you are 0/1, I would have to miss the next infinite number of shots to match your percentage

still doesn't change the fact that it's actually a probabilistically non significant difference between 1/1 and 0/1

That's too small of a sample size. You're using very simplistic logic.

[Xoush]

There's no such things as ''if we go by stats''?
So, if you are coach and you have to pick a player to shoot a 3 points shoot to win you a game. You have the choice between shaq and curry. What will you base your decision on?




It would be even less than 6/24 chance of making it because we all know Kobe sucks in clutch situations.



Compare and comeback to me when you found the difference.

[STATUTORY]

You are the one using a sample of 1 game. So when the sample doesn't suit, you want a bigger one.

Well, guess what...

the difference is, I never used this one game sample for statistical inference, you and that other moron did

I was just evaluating the game. Apples and oranges

[livinglegend]

You know what's the big difference?
Having a teammate who scores 26 pts including a crucial 3pt shot, with a +/- = +10
Lebron was a + 4 in +/- stat
Kobe on the other hand, had Gasol who had 19 pts.

Kobe had a +/- of 0 and Gasol had a +/- of +7.
Kobe shot 6-24 and Gasol shot 6-16.
Kobe had 15 rebs and Gasol had 18 rebounds.
Kobe had 2 assists and Gasol had 4 assists.
Kobe had 0 block and gasol had 2.
Kobe had 5 TO and Gasol had 0.

[ShawkFactory]

Well 3 shots is 6-7 points.

In a 90 point game for the championship? Yea that's pretty significant.

[riseagainst]

Compare and comeback to me when you found the difference.


ouch.....

[livinglegend]

Compare and comeback to me when you found the difference.

Nice try avoiding my question.
You lost.


NEXT

[LeBird]

the difference is, I never used this one game sample for statistical inference, you and that other moron did

I was just evaluating the game. Apples and oranges

Of course you did. You are using the stats of one game to suggest/infer the difference between them isn't large.

Guess what, it is. The sad part is that this isn't even a troll attempt. You legitimately have no clue. :lol I hope for your sake you're under 12 years of age because it'd be really sad and depressing for you otherwise.

[Xoush]

Well 3 shots is 6-7 points.

In a 90 point game for the championship? Yea that's pretty significant.

You cannot simply add those shots on the box score, you have to take them in the context of the game.

[STATUTORY]

That's too small of a sample size. You're using very simplistic logic.

actually that's exactly my point, when the sample size is small and the denominator is small, percentages just over inflate differences. the fact of the matter is 3 missed shots isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, yet people think because it's something like 12% in a sample of 24 shots, it's a huge difference

it's classic math illiteracy

[STATUTORY]

Of course you did. You are using the stats of one game to suggest/infer the difference between them isn't large.

Guess what, it is. The sad part is that this isn't even a troll attempt. You legitimately have no clue. :lol I hope for your sake you're under 12 years of age because it'd be really sad and depressing for you otherwise.
you have no idea what statistical inference means, I'm using it in a precise way. You are just using it like a mouth breathing moron

I never made any inference, you are an idiot

[livinglegend]

actually that's exactly my point, when the sample size is small and the denominator is small, percentages just over inflate differences. the fact of the matter is 3 missed shots isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, yet people think because it's something like 12% in a sample of 24 shots, it's a huge difference

it's classic math illiteracy

We are not talking about 3 missed shots retard. We are talking about 3 made shots.
Kobe made 6 shots the whole game. 3 more makes is 50 % more than what Kobe made the whole game. That's a big difference.

[FKAri]

9/24 is a poor shooting night. 6/24 is an eye popping catastrophic shooting night.

If you as a 3 point shooter average 1/5 per game then you're a terrible 3 pt shooter who shouldn't be shooting them. If you average 2/5 per game you're good and should keep it up. The NBA is a game of small margins.

3 made shots is also the difference between averaging 30ppg and averaging 23ppg.

[LeBird]

actually that's exactly my point, when the sample size is small and the denominator is small, percentages just over inflate differences. the fact of the matter is 3 missed shots isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, yet people think because it's something like 12% in a sample of 24 shots, it's a huge difference

it's classic math illiteracy

The difference isn't 3 missed shots.

See, you can't say the sample is small and then assume Kobe will be automatically 3/3.

No one is perfect, that's why negating the misses matters. Kobe is more likely to go 1/3 than 3/3. Based on that game and his career as a whole.

And to use the converse argument: if Lebron makes 3 more shots, the difference goes from huge to gargantuan.


you have no idea what statistical inference means, I'm using it in a precise way. You are just using it like a mouth breathing moron

I never made any inference, you are an idiot

You utter moron. You're saying and inferring Kobe could make 3 more baskets. Based on what? You are inferring something. Either you use his shooting on the night or his shooting as a whole...it doesn't matter...he's not gonna go 3/3, Kobe is an inefficient chucker.

[STATUTORY]

We are not talking about 3 missed shots retard. We are talking about 3 made shots.
Kobe made 6 shots the whole game. 3 more makes is 50 % more than what Kobe made the whole game. That's a big difference.

:roll:

"we are not talking about a glass half full, we are talking about glass half empty"

get the **** out of here you moron

[LeBird]

:roll:

"we are not talking about a glass half full, we are talking about glass half empty"

get the **** out of here you moron

Oh, God. This dumbass seriously doesn't know the difference :lol

[STATUTORY]

The difference isn't 3 missed shots.

See, you can't say the sample is small and then assume Kobe will be automatically 3/3.

No one is perfect, that's why negating the misses matters. Kobe is more likely to go 1/3 than 3/3. Based on that game and his career as a whole.

And to use the converse argument: if Lebron makes 3 more shots, the difference goes from huge to gargantuan.



You utter moron. You're saying and inferring Kobe could make 3 more baskets. Based on what? You are inferring something. Either you use his shooting on the night or his shooting as a whole...it doesn't matter...he's not gonna go 3/3, Kobe is an inefficient chucker.

I never implied that, I said if you gonna predict how he would shoot if he took more shots, you should use his season shooting average or something over a bigger sample.

Assuming he would have 6/24 chance of making the next shot because he's 6/24 on the night is stupid.

[livinglegend]

Oh, God. This dumbass seriously doesn't know the difference :lol

That's it.
He's a lost cause.
Now, i get why he thinks Kobe > Lebron.

[K Xerxes]

:roll:

"we are not talking about a glass half full, we are talking about glass half empty"

get the **** out of here you moron

3 missed shots is the difference between 9/24 and 9/27, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 33.3%.

3 made shots is the difference between 9/24 and 6/24, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 25%.

It is not correct to conflate the two.

[Xoush]

We are not talking about 3 missed shots retard. We are talking about 3 made shots.
Kobe made 6 shots the whole game. 3 more makes is 50 % more than what Kobe made the whole game. That's a big difference.

Dude are you fcking serious :roll::roll::roll:

[livinglegend]

Dude are you fcking serious :roll::roll::roll:

Another dumbass :roll: :roll: :roll:
This one also doesn't get it.
OH MY GOD! This is too funny!

[STATUTORY]

3 missed shots is the difference between 9/24 and 9/27, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 33.3%.

3 made shots is the difference between 9/24 and 6/24, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 25%.

It is not correct to conflate the two.
if Lebron missed 3 more shots of the ones he took, he would been 6/24

it's purely semantics

[livinglegend]

3 missed shots is the difference between 9/24 and 9/27, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 33.3%.

3 made shots is the difference between 9/24 and 6/24, which is equivalent to 37.5% and 25%.

It is not correct to conflate the two.

Thanks.
He still won't get it tho :lol

[K Xerxes]

I never implied that, I said if you gonna predict how he would shoot if he took more shots, you should use his season shooting average or something over a bigger sample.

Assuming he would have 6/24 chance of making the next shot because he's 6/24 on the night is stupid.

From 6/24, he'd need to make his next 5 shots to reach 11/29, which is 38% (and the most closely accurate to 9/24). That's a big step.

[FKAri]

:roll:

"we are not talking about a glass half full, we are talking about glass half empty"

get the **** out of here you moron

Dude are you fcking serious :roll::roll::roll:

No trolling and condescension but I think a stats course is the most practical college level math course anyone can take and should be absolutely essential no matter what you plan to do in life.

[livinglegend]

This is ISH comedy at it best :oldlol: :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Thanks.
He still won't get it tho :lol


I don't think you understand what he's talking about.

the difference between 9/24 and 6/24 is 3 missed shots or 3 made shots, which is correct and what the OP is talking about. Again you two aren't talking about the same thing.

you are talking about how many shots does Kobe have to make on top of the 6/24 to match 9/24's efficiency.

[LeBird]

I never implied that, I said if you gonna predict how he would shoot if he took more shots, you should use his season shooting average or something over a bigger sample.

Assuming he would have 6/24 chance of making the next shot because he's 6/24 on the night is stupid.

Let me break this down for you one last time sonny.

You are assuming that instead of missing 3 shots, Kobe scores them to be 9/24 like Lebron.

The situation then becomes that he has made 6/21 shots. And now you are assuming the 3 other shots he gets, he makes them all. Which infers he is gonna shoot at 100% to make up the difference. It doesn't matter if those 3 shots are spread out in the game or consecutive...Kobe isn't gonna go 3/3 based on his career averages, let alone his shooting on the night.

You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. Learn to take an L and move on.

[SexSymbol]

the funny thing is, he was playing horribly all game and was incredibly passive at times.
Kobe always was aggressive now matter how much he missed and that fueled the team and willed them to victory.
Meanwhile, Kyrie had to will the Cavs to victory.
There's no question that Kobe's game was objectively better in every way

[STATUTORY]

Let me break this down for you one last time sonny.

You are assuming that instead of missing 3 shots, Kobe scores them to be 9/24 like Lebron.

The situation then becomes that he has made 6/21 shots. And now you are assuming the 3 other shots he gets, he makes them all. Which infers he is gonna shoot at 100% to make up the difference. It doesn't matter if those 3 shots are spread out in the game or consecutive...Kobe isn't gonna go 3/3 based on his career averages, let alone his shooting on the night.

You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. Learn to take an L and move on.

right because taht's the only way to be 9/24 on the night, to have been 6/21 on your previous 21 shot and score the next 3

:rolleyes:

you are arguing against some very strange strawman

[LeBird]

right because taht's the only way to be 9/24 on the night, to have been 6/21 on your previous 21 shot and score the next 3

:rolleyes:

It doesn't matter if it was previous or not.

You're saying he's taking 24 shots on the night. So in order to equal 9/24, he has to magically retake 3 of his shots and make them all. Let's say he has a time machine and can do that.

He still isn't going 3/3. 1/3 the most likely outcome.

It's time to step away from the keyboard and read a book little one.

[STATUTORY]

It doesn't matter if it was previous or not.

You're saying he's taking 24 shots on the night. So in order to equal 9/24, he has to magically retake 3 of his shots and make them all. Let's say he has a time machine and can do that.

He still isn't going 3/3. 1/3 the most likely outcome.

It's time to step away from the keyboard and read a book little one.
I'm saying if he was 9/24 on the night, would that have been a good game?

that is all. I'm not discussing the probability of that happening

[NBAGOAT]

You know what's the big difference?
Having a teammate who scores 26 pts including a crucial 3pt shot, with a +/- = +10
Lebron was a + 4 in +/- stat
Kobe on the other hand, had Gasol who had 19 pts.

if you want to use +/- stats(which aren't that meaningful over small samples) like rapm or raw +/-. Kobe isn't even above guys like KG all time and it's not even close.

[STATUTORY]

I don't think you understand what he's talking about.

the difference between 9/24 and 6/24 is 3 missed shots or 3 made shots, which is correct and what the OP is talking about. Again you two aren't talking about the same thing.

you are talking about how many shots does Kobe have to make on top of the 6/24 to match 9/24's efficiency.

exactly

[riseagainst]

if you want to use +/- stats(which aren't that meaningful over small samples) like rapm or raw +/-. Kobe isn't even above guys like KG all time and it's not even close.


to be fair to Kobe, KG IS a better all around player than Kobe. Kobe is a GOAT tier scorer against weak defensive teams, that's about it.

[LeBird]

I'm saying if he was 9/24 on the night, would that have been a good game?

that is all. I'm not discussing the probability of that happening

It would have been a better shooting night for him, for sure.

But he's nowhere close to being equal to Lebron's Game 7.

You asked a simple question that has a simple answer. Is the difference between 6/24 and 9/24 big? Yes, it is. One can conveniently say "well, it's only 3 more makes", but it doesn't live in the realm of reality.

Anyone can live in hypotheticals that can't be proven but reality shows that Kobe was an inefficient scorer his whole career and in the game in question was even poorer.

And the takeaway is that even when Lebron isn't shooting well, he's still nowhere as bad as Kobe. :lol

Kobe is simply not near Lebron's level as a player. I know you may take that as a jibe but it's not about that. Overall as a player it isn't close. In the facet of scoring, Kobe's strong-suit...he's still behind Lebron.

Save yourself arguments where people will look at you like a duffer and admit it to yourself and move on.

[NBAGOAT]

I'm saying if he was 9/24 on the night, would that have been a good game?

that is all. I'm not discussing the probability of that happening

if Kobe was 9/24. The Lakers would've won by 10 points. He would have 29 points on 24 shots. Yes it would've been considered a pretty good game but 3 shots extra made shots is a huge difference. This thread is just making me cringe.

[feyki]

Defence and all around game rather than Kobe .

[Straight_Ballin]

Are we forgetting that Kobe only had 2 assists and 4 turnovers?
Lebron had 11 and 5.

Kobe fans always say 5/7 > 2/7, so why does 3 not make a difference in 9/24 and 6/24?

Maybe because rings and shots are a big difference? You suffer from learning disability or sumthin?

[ArbitraryWater]

also OP, you realize the difference of 9-24 isnt just 3 less shots, its 3 shots you wanna take from make to miss, and not just lets say, being 6-21, and adding 3 more misses...

thats why you are so off. Thats why Bron would need 12 more misses to equal Kobe's 25%.

Thats why Bron's game score was twice as high..

thats why Bron >>> Kobe :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Maybe because rings and shots are a big difference? You suffer from learning disability or sumthin?


certainly was a difference in winning 3 FMVPs.

[STATUTORY]

also OP, you realize the difference of 9-24 isnt just 3 less shots, its 3 shots you wanna take from make to miss, and not just lets say, being 6-21, and adding 3 more misses...

thats why you are so off. Thats why Bron would need 12 more misses to equal Kobe's 25%.

Thats why Bron's game score was twice as high..

thats why Bron >>> Kobe :oldlol:
yes that's what's meant by 3 more makes. That's literally what my op was saying, the results of 3 shots are the difference between a great game and a laughable game?

[SexSymbol]

Defence and all around game rather than Kobe .
I'm sorry have you even seen the g7?
Kobe was splendid defensively in that game.

[NBAGOAT]

yes that's what's meant by 3 more makes. That's literally what my op was saying, the results of 3 shots are the difference between a great game and a laughable game?

no, 3 more makes really means taking 3 more shots and making all 3. Even then it's still 9/27 and 33% shooting. That's still worse than Lebron's game easily.

[FireDavidKahn]

Yes, yes it does.:oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

It's a pretty sizeable difference, would have been the difference between a win and a loss, plus LeBron had 11 assists compared to Kobe's 2. Also, it wasn't just that he was missing shots, Kobe was taking some straight up HORRENDOUS shots

[STATUTORY]

no, 3 more makes really means taking 3 more shots and making all 3. Even then it's still 9/27 and 33% shooting. That's still worse than Lebron's game easily.

It's a matter of semantics

I don't mean

"making and taking 3 additional shots"

I mean

"had made 3 more shots instead of missing them"

is that clear now

[feyki]

I'm sorry have you even seen the g7?
Kobe was splendid defensively in that game.

Yea , he was great . But Lebron was on another level . Probably , greatest defensive force by a perimeter player in basketball history .

[NBAGOAT]

It's a matter of semantics

I don't mean

"making and taking 3 additional shots"

I mean

"had made 3 more shots instead of missing them"

is that clear now

well then yes the 2nd case is huge especially since both game 7's were close. Even the 1st situation is already a big difference.

[ShawkFactory]

the funny thing is, he was playing horribly all game and was incredibly passive at times.
Kobe always was aggressive now matter how much he missed and that fueled the team and willed them to victory.
Meanwhile, Kyrie had to will the Cavs to victory.
There's no question that Kobe's game was objectively better in every way
Because you say so?

LeBron took over the 4th in every aspect

[ArbitraryWater]

Because you say so?

LeBron took over the 4th in every aspect

Lmao I have the dude on ignore, but he said that? :roll: :roll:

[Quickening]

Don't ever mention 12be in the same breath as a top 5 all time player

[MP.Trey]

It does when you get a triple double and have one of the most clutch blocks in NBA history on the way to the most improbable comeback in NBA history.

[LikeABosh]

First of all, yes, 3 shots is a pretty big difference. Add in a triple double in that game, coming back from a 3-1 deficit vs. a 73 win team, 2 monster 41 point games in a row, leading both teams in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks and it equals to you being on suicide watch.

[Dray n Klay]

OP, just admit Kobe was garbage, your meltdown is pathetic :oldlol:

[tamaraw08]

OP, just admit Kobe was garbage, your meltdown is pathetic :oldlol:

ahh, Kobe with 5 rings won, lost 2 finals, was garbage,
Lebron has 3 rings won, lost 4 finals, is ......?

I'm not going to say Kobe is better than Lebron, but garbage? really. :facepalm

[LilEddyCurry]

isn't it kind of silly for Bran fans to continue to bash Kobe for that 6/24 performance when their idol just went 9/24 in a game 7. Both wins in a hard fault series where both players did other stuff even though they didn't shoot the ball well.

is 3 shots really the difference between a bad performance and a great one? :confusedshrug:
The real difference is that triple double LeBron had, what most Kobe fans tend to ignore is that LeBron is an overall player and not just a scorer like Kobe.

[Quickening]

3>2

[LeBird]

It's a matter of semantics

I don't mean

"making and taking 3 additional shots"

I mean

"had made 3 more shots instead of missing them"

is that clear now

It makes no difference actually.

[SouBeachTalents]

ahh, Kobe with 5 rings won, lost 2 finals, was garbage,
Lebron has 3 rings won, lost 4 finals, is ......?

I'm not going to say Kobe is better than Lebron, but garbage? really. :facepalm

I think he was referring to his Game 7 performance

[tamaraw08]

Kobe had a +/- of 0 and Gasol had a +/- of +7.
Kobe shot 6-24 and Gasol shot 6-16.
Kobe had 15 rebs and Gasol had 18 rebounds.
Kobe had 2 assists and Gasol had 4 assists.
Kobe had 0 block and gasol had 2.
Kobe had 5 TO and Gasol had 0.

but why compare Kobe's stats to Pau?:confusedshrug:
Compare the impact of Kyrie's +10 to Pau's +7
What about the impact of Kyrie in the 2nd half vs Pau's presence in the pivotal 2nd half?

[NBASTATMAN]

isn't it kind of silly for Bran fans to continue to bash Kobe for that 6/24 performance when their idol just went 9/24 in a game 7. Both wins in a hard fault series where both players did other stuff even though they didn't shoot the ball well.

is 3 shots really the difference between a bad performance and a great one? :confusedshrug:


DUH ... THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WIN AND A LOSS IS BIG...

6 LESS PTS and YOU ARENT MELTING DOWN RIGHT NOW

MELTDOWN JUST STARTING FOR THIS GUY :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Hmm let me see?

A 50% increase in shots made and 9 extra assists?:lol

The 2016 game 7 was a 4 point win. Even if lebron had kept his 11 assists (about SIX times kobes') he would have lost the game had he shot Kobe's 6/24.
Fortunately lebron is a better scorer than Kobe and much more clutch scorer than Kobe which is why lebron fans didn't have to worry about him going 6/24:roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Don't ever mention 12be in the same breath as a top 5 all time player

:applause:

[CuterThanRubio]

They both won, who cares?

Kobe hit go ahead freethrows then follows up with a jumper, assisted on the dagger Metta three, and hit more freethrows to seal the game, people tend to forget that part because they are boxscore watchers who didn't see it happen.

[tmacattack33]

Yes, a 3 field goal (aka 6 points) difference is pretty big.

6 points is the difference between an average team and a top 3 team in the league.


Furthermore:

Players who average around 9 field goals made per game: Lebron, Durant, Westbrook

Players who average 6 field goals made per game: Rudy Gay, Paul Millsap, Kyle Lowry






...and this is just scoring, which is not Lebron's best trait. Lebron's best trait is passing, and he had 11 assists.

[DMAVS41]

Yea...considering if Lebron had shot 6-24...they would have lost...I'd say about as big of a difference as you can have.

Difference between winning and losing.

[Rocketswin2013]

Yes, a 3 field goal (aka 6 points) difference is pretty big.

6 points is the difference between an average team and a top 3 team in the league.


Furthermore:

Players who average around 9 field goals made per game: Lebron, Durant, Westbrook

Players who average 6 field goals made per game: Rudy Gay, Paul Millsap, Kyle Lowry






...and this is just scoring, which is not Lebron's best trait. Lebron's best trait is passing, and he had 11 assists.
and defense. the caliber of the offense lebron had a huge part in shutting down is as elite as it gets.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe fans just need to stop.

Enough of these hypothetical threads you think will narrow the gap between Kobe and LeBron.

This finals proved without a shadow of a doubt LeBron belongs among the upper echelon of ATGs, whereas Kobe is near the bottom half - still great, but cant and will NEVER measure up.

[raprap]

Yes it does.




:yaohappy:

[Inferno]

No. And no sane person gives Kobe as much shit as he gets on here from Bron stans. Same goes for Bron and Kobe stans.