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coined

06-22-2016, 01:00 AM

2 More Rings
6 More all star selection
6 more all defensive team
3 more all nba team
2 more all star game mvp
1 more scoring champion
1 dunk contest
more steals in regular season all time
more points in regular season all time
more points in playoffs all time
more 30 point games in playoffs ( 88 vs 84)

SouBeachTalents

06-22-2016, 01:02 AM

SpaceJam

06-22-2016, 01:03 AM

Handsomeness

Nilocon165

06-22-2016, 01:03 AM

ImKobe

06-22-2016, 01:15 AM

LeBron will probably surpass Kobe in the bolded, as well as MVP's, FMVP's, and all time ranking

lol @ "probably"

if he doesn't win another ring it's 3/7 vs 5/7, once the hype dies down next year people will look at Lebron objectively and put him 8-9 all-time like he should be, he passed Hakeem with his 3rd title but he's not in the Kobe-Shaq-Duncan tier just yet. If he has longevity we'll come back to it but as of now he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.

Springsteen

06-22-2016, 01:17 AM

he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.

Having Shaq in his prime in your early 20's helps.

SouBeachTalents

06-22-2016, 01:18 AM

lol @ "probably"

if he doesn't win another ring it's 3/7 vs 5/7, once the hype dies down next year people will look at Lebron objectively and put him 8-9 all-time like he should be, he passed Hakeem with his 3rd title but he's not in the Kobe-Shaq-Duncan tier just yet. If he has longevity we'll come back to it but as of now he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.

Which of those that I bolded won't LeBron pass Kobe in?

ImKobe

06-22-2016, 01:19 AM

Having Shaq in his prime in your early 20's helps.

Kobe was playing with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker and Chris Mihm in his prime years, Lebron same age was playing with D-Wade and Chris Bosh.

NBAGOAT

06-22-2016, 01:19 AM

lol @ "probably"

if he doesn't win another ring it's 3/7 vs 5/7, once the hype dies down next year people will look at Lebron objectively and put him 8-9 all-time like he should be, he passed Hakeem with his 3rd title but he's not in the Kobe-Shaq-Duncan tier just yet. If he has longevity we'll come back to it but as of now he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.

he said bolded which didn't include rings and plenty of non-Lebron fans have Lebron in the top 5. Hyping him is saying top 2 or 3.

Smoke117

06-22-2016, 01:21 AM

lol @ "probably"

if he doesn't win another ring it's 3/7 vs 5/7, once the hype dies down next year people will look at Lebron objectively and put him 8-9 all-time like he should be, he passed Hakeem with his 3rd title but he's not in the Kobe-Shaq-Duncan tier just yet. If he has longevity we'll come back to it but as of now he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.

Unfortunately for you kobe stans...everyone already had him above Kobe before this championship...all this did was cement it further. . Also, you're an idiot if you think 3/7 vs 5/7 means anything in a debate of who is the better player.

ImKobe

06-22-2016, 01:23 AM

Which of those that I bolded won't LeBron pass Kobe in?

all-stars is something he might not pass Kobe in, points you never know because if he has one injury that limits his athleticism, he isn't going to be a consistent scorer without a reliable jump shot.

Like I said, we haven't seen his longevity just yet, he's had a heck of a run the first 13 seasons but keeping this pace up until age 37/38 in terms of no serious injuries is not something you can just count on to happen. Kobe bounced back from his knee injuries and had 27/6/6 at age 34 and his achilles went, you just don't know man.

ImKobe

06-22-2016, 01:27 AM

Unfortunately for you kobe stans...everyone already had him above Kobe before this championship...all this did was cement it further. . Also, you're an idiot if you think 3/7 vs 5/7 means anything in a debate of who is the better player.

It does. All-time rankings isn't just based on talent and averages, you have to account for career achievements and overall skill.

As far a skill goes, there's nothing that Lebron showed me this year that would all of a sudden make him a better player than Kobe. Stat geeks can marvel at Lebron's stats but he's simply not as skilled of a player as Kobe is, which is why Kobe came through in 5 title runs and cemented his legacy as the player of the decade (2000-10). Greatest Laker of all-time > colluding with Wade/Bosh and winning 1 in Cleveland with 2 other all-stars. Lebron was 1 Ray Allen shot and a Draymond Green suspension away from going 1/7. So you can't say that Kobe was more fortunate if you look at how Lebron hasn't suffered any serious injuries and how two of his rings could have easily been lost.

Smoke117

06-22-2016, 01:44 AM

It does. All-time rankings isn't just based on talent and averages, you have to account for career achievements and overall skill.

As far a skill goes, there's nothing that Lebron showed me this year that would all of a sudden make him a better player than Kobe. Stat geeks can marvel at Lebron's stats but he's simply not as skilled of a player as Kobe is, which is why Kobe came through in 5 title runs and cemented his legacy as the player of the decade (2000-10). Greatest Laker of all-time > colluding with Wade/Bosh and winning 1 in Cleveland with 2 other all-stars. Lebron was 1 Ray Allen shot and a Draymond Green suspension away from going 1/7. So you can't say that Kobe was more fortunate if you look at how Lebron hasn't suffered any serious injuries and how two of his rings could have easily been lost.

When we are talking about who is greater...you are measured by what you did out there...Shaq was not as skilled as Hakeem, but he was a much more dominant force. Yeah, Kobe came through in 5 title runs because he was so skilled...it had nothing to do with playing with Shaq in his absolute prime. That's why at this point when they have both won championships you can't use that TEAM ACHIEVEMENT accomplishment in a debate like this anymore. The fact of the matter is Lebron has done more with less throughout his career and shown himself to have a bigger impact game to game than Kobe ever did. Nobody but you kobe stans believes kobe is greater...that should tell you something.

SouBeachTalents

06-22-2016, 01:53 AM

all-stars is something he might not pass Kobe in, points you never know because if he has one injury that limits his athleticism, he isn't going to be a consistent scorer without a reliable jump shot.

Like I said, we haven't seen his longevity just yet, he's had a heck of a run the first 13 seasons but keeping this pace up until age 37/38 in terms of no serious injuries is not something you can just count on to happen. Kobe bounced back from his knee injuries and had 27/6/6 at age 34 and his achilles went, you just don't know man.

All-Star selections is a lock. LeBron will easily make the All-Star game every season the rest of his career just on name recognition. Kobe was terrible the last 3 seasons and still made the All-Star Game.

More playoff points is an absolute lock, LeBron will surpass him after the first round next year

More 30 point playoff games is a lock, will probably surpass him next postseason

More All-NBA Teams is a near lock, dude hasn't missed the All-NBA team since his rookie season, has been All-NBA First Team 9 years straight

Steals is a near lock, he'll probably surpass him in 3 years

Points will be the toughest one for him to attain, but if he maintains a high level of play the next 5 seasons he'll surpass him as well

Round Mound

06-22-2016, 02:02 AM

Lebron James is closer to MJ than Kobe is to MJ

*Kobe is similar at a skill set not in DOMINANCE

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA Rank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.65
3. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.68
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Kevin Durant 25.04
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Dwyane Wade 24.67
11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
13. Tim Duncan 24.22
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Stephen Curry 23.23
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Dirk Nowitzki 23.05
22. Yao Ming* 23.02
23. Kobe Bryant 22.90
24. Jerry West* 22.89
25. Russell Westbrook 22.88
26. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
27. Kevin Garnett 22.66
28. James Harden 22.18
29. Tracy McGrady 22.13
30. Moses Malone* 22.00

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABA Rank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.68
4. Shaquille O'Neal* 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.54
7. Tim Duncan 24.28
8. Charles Barkley* 24.18
9. Dirk Nowitzki 23.82
10. Russell Westbrook 23.65
11. Kevin Durant 23.58
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
19. Dwight Howard 22.73
20. Dwyane Wade 22.67
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Kobe Bryant 22.40
23. Stephen Curry 22.25
24. Julius Erving* 22.05
25. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
26. Rick Barry* 21.81
27. Amar'e Stoudemire 21.75
28. Blake Griffin 21.60
29. Moses Malone* 21.57
30. Larry Bird* 21.41

Round Mound

06-22-2016, 02:03 AM

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus

BA/ABA Rank Player BPM

1. LeBron James 9.20
2. Michael Jordan* 8.09
3. Chris Paul 7.49
4. Charles Barkley* 7.44
5. David Robinson* 7.35
6. Magic Johnson* 7.22
7. Larry Bird* 7.17
8. Julius Erving* 6.19
9. Stephen Curry 6.18
10. Clyde Drexler* 5.98
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5.77
12. Tim Duncan 5.47
13. Manu Ginobili 5.43
14. Karl Malone* 5.40
15. Kevin Garnett 5.39
16. Dwyane Wade 5.33
17. James Harden 5.30
18. Russell Westbrook 5.17
19. Andrei Kirilenko 5.02
20. Shaquille O'Neal* 5.00
21. Bob Lanier* 4.96
22. Hakeem Olajuwon* 4.91
23. Kevin Durant 4.84
24. Bobby Jones 4.77
25. Scottie Pippen* 4.71
26. Tracy McGrady 4.55
27. Wes Unseld* 4.35
28. Joakim Noah 4.30
29. Jason Kidd 4.19
30. Larry Nance 4.18
31. Alvin Robertson 4.00
32. Chris Webber 3.91
33. Artis Gilmore* 3.89
34. Kobe Bryant 3.88

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus

NBA/ABA Rank Player BPM

1. LeBron James 10.69
2. Michael Jordan* 10.12
3. Chris Paul 8.12
4. Magic Johnson* 7.35
5. Charles Barkley* 7.28
6. Hakeem Olajuwon* 7.12
7. Larry Bird* 6.88
8. Russell Westbrook 6.80
9. Baron Davis 6.65
10. Stephen Curry 6.64
11. Isiah Thomas* 6.44
12. David Robinson* 6.29
13. Draymond Green 6.27
14. Kawhi Leonard 6.13
15. Tracy McGrady 6.10
16. Clyde Drexler* 5.88
17. Scottie Pippen* 5.86
18. Tim Duncan 5.86
19. Julius Erving* 5.78
20. James Harden 5.58
21. Danny Green 5.55
22. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5.44
23. Manu Ginobili 5.39
24. Shaquille O'Neal* 5.31
25. Ben Wallace 5.29
26. Paul George 5.22
27. Marc Gasol 5.17
28. Bob Lanier* 5.10
29. Jason Kidd 5.09
30. Dwyane Wade 5.08
31. Rick Barry* 5.06
32. Charlie Ward 5.00
33. Rajon Rondo 4.91
34. Robert Horry 4.83
35. Kevin Durant 4.81
36. Pau Gasol 4.63
37. Kevin Garnett 4.60
38. Anfernee Hardaway 4.52
39. Wes Unseld* 4.49
40. Kobe Bryant 4.41

Round Mound

06-22-2016, 02:11 AM

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABA Rank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Chris Paul .2494
4. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
5. Neil Johnston* .2413
6. LeBron James .2402
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Kevin Durant .2139
11. Jerry West* .2134
12. Bob Pettit* .2128
13. Tim Duncan .2091
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Shaquille O'Neal* .2081
16. Oscar Robertson* .2069
17. James Harden .2064
18. Karl Malone* .2053
19. Larry Bird* .2032
20. Dirk Nowitzki .2019
21. Manu Ginobili .2002
22. Yao Ming* .2001
23. Stephen Curry .1991
24. Ed Macauley* .1964
25. Artis Gilmore* .1931
26. Bill Russell* .1927
27. Julius Erving* .1922
28. Dolph Schayes* .1922
29. Adrian Dantley* .1887
30. Sidney Moncrief .1873
31. Paul Arizin* .1833
32. Kevin Love .1824
33. Sam Jones* .1824
34. Harry Gallatin* .1824
35. Kevin Garnett .1822
36. Dan Issel* .1813
37. Kevin McHale* .1802
38. Bailey Howell* .1799
39. Dwyane Wade .1787
40. Bill Sharman* .1782
41. George Yardley* .1780
42. Clyde Lovellette* .1777
43. Kevin Johnson .1777
44. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1767
45. Walt Frazier* .1760
46. Reggie Miller* .1758
47. Chauncey Billups .1756
48. Bobby Jones .1755
49. Bob Lanier* .1751
50. Dwight Howard .1748
51. Moses Malone* .1739
52. Clyde Drexler* .1734
53. Zelmo Beaty* .1715
54. Larry Nance .1713
55. Kobe Bryant .1705

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABA Rank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2553
2. George Mikan* .2541
3. LeBron James .2381
4. Magic Johnson* .2078
5. Chris Paul .2056
6. Jerry West* .2031
7. Wilt Chamberlain* .1998
8. David Robinson* .1992
9. Tim Duncan .1939
10. Walt Frazier* .1934
11. Charles Barkley* .1932
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .1929
13. Kawhi Leonard .1914
14. Frank Ramsey* .1902
15. Dolph Schayes* .1890
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1887
17. Dirk Nowitzki .1884
18. Chauncey Billups .1858
19. Shaquille O'Neal* .1842
20. Paul Arizin* .1827
21. Reggie Miller* .1799
22. Stephen Curry .1793
23. Oscar Robertson* .1783
24. Bill Russell* .1778
25. Kevin Durant .1774
26. Roger Brown* .1763
27. Moses Malone* .1762
28. Baron Davis .1762
29. Julius Erving* .1756
30. Bob Lanier* .1755
31. Artis Gilmore* .1744
32. Bill Sharman* .1739
33. George Yardley* .1736
34. Kevin McHale* .1736
35. Larry Bird* .1731
36. Adrian Dantley* .1716
37. Cedric Maxwell .1713
38. Dwight Howard .1701
39. James Harden .1697
40. Manu Ginobili .1694
41. Don Nelson* .1683
42. Cliff Hagan* .1674
43. Jimmy Jones .1667
44. Ben Wallace .1636
45. Dan Issel* .1612
46. Zelmo Beaty* .1610
47. Pau Gasol .1605
48. John Stockton* .1602
49. Dwyane Wade .1602
50. Bob Pettit* .1590
51. Vern Mikkelsen* .1588
52. Sam Jones* .1570
53. Kobe Bryant .1570

aj1987

06-22-2016, 02:11 AM

lol @ "probably"

if he doesn't win another ring it's 3/7 vs 5/7, once the hype dies down next year people will look at Lebron objectively and put him 8-9 all-time like he should be, he passed Hakeem with his 3rd title but he's not in the Kobe-Shaq-Duncan tier just yet. If he has longevity we'll come back to it but as of now he's at 3 titles at age 31, Kobe was at 3 age 23.
Hype? 4 MVP's, 3 Rings, 3 FMVP's isn't hype, buddy. It's dominance. 5, 2, 1 is hype.

How many players have 3 MVP's, 3 Rings, and 3 FMVP's?

Round Mound

06-22-2016, 02:16 AM

Kobe was at 3 at 23? You mean SHAQ was at 3 in 2003.

Kobe = Sidekick.

MJs Pippen.

KingPush

06-22-2016, 02:25 AM

Damn. This Round Mound dude just went in :eek:

Quickening

06-22-2016, 02:30 AM

Round Mound is a god damn SAVAGE! I LOVE IT!! :lol :roll:

Round Mound

06-22-2016, 03:04 AM

Lebron is closer to MJ than Kobe is in production and dominance.

Kobe similar to MJ? in skill set, thats it.

Kobe is a better shooter than Lebron.

Lebron is better than Kobe at everything else...regarding his position ofcourse.

plowking

06-22-2016, 03:38 AM

I know Kobe has more defensive teams, but does anyone actually believe he was a better defender than Bron?

Nash

06-22-2016, 03:39 AM

this kobe stan :roll:

its over. you're getting into a fight you're never ever going to win

AintNoSunshine

06-22-2016, 03:57 AM

Kobe never surpassed Lebron in anything, because he came before Lebron. Lebron is the one who's erasing Kobe's records left and right.

When Lebron finishes his career, most of what you listed will favor the King.

IllegalD

06-22-2016, 04:07 AM

Things that LeBron has surpasses Kobe in:

1) Finals Losses (x2)

2) Teams played for

3) All-star/HOF teammates (will easily surpass him at this rate when you add CP3 and Melo down the line)

4) Times bailed out by teammates in the Finals with clutch/historic shots

5) HGH/PED cycles

6) Teammates that f*cked his mom

SouBeachTalents

06-22-2016, 04:08 AM

aj1987

06-22-2016, 04:15 AM

Things that Kobe has surpassed LeBron in:

1) Finals wins carried (x5)

2) Teammates ran out of town

3) All-star/HOF teammates

4) Times bailed out by teammates in the Finals with clutch/historic shots

5) HGH/PED cycles in Germany

6) Teammates that f*cked his mom
Agreed! :cheers:

coined

07-11-2016, 06:54 AM

After 10 years, I will bump this thread and see where we are.

Hoopz2332

07-11-2016, 08:58 AM

Round Mound

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:applause:

Facepalm

07-11-2016, 08:59 AM

I<3NBA

07-11-2016, 12:07 PM

1 more rape allegation.
:yaohappy:

Nike D'Antoni

07-11-2016, 12:09 PM

1 more rape allegation.

haha

Knoe Itawl

07-11-2016, 01:12 PM

JT123

07-11-2016, 01:46 PM

I know Kobe stans are known for not being too bright, but I wonder if they ever consider that it's just them still holding on to Kobe being better than Lebron, while to the majority of the basketball world that ship sailed long ago. Do they think they have some truth that only they (and they're Kobe dikkriders, so how convenient only THEY would have the truth that coincidentally Kobe's better) know?
Kobe stans are morons, but not even they are stupid enough to believe that Kobe is better anymore.
Lying to themselves on this forum is nothing more than a coping mechanism. Whatever works, I guess

coined

10-29-2020, 03:38 PM

1 More Ring
6 more all defensive team
2 More all star selection
1 more all star game mvp
1 more scoring champion
1 dunk contest

RoundMoundOfReb

10-29-2020, 03:44 PM

1 More Ring
6 more all defensive team
2 More all star selection
1 more all star game mvp
1 more scoring champion
1 dunk contest

:roll::roll::roll:

SouBeachTalents

10-29-2020, 06:27 PM

1 More Ring
6 more all defensive team
2 More all star selection
1 more all star game mvp
1 more scoring champion
1 dunk contest
Cool, now do things that LeBron surpassed Kobe in

k 96

10-29-2020, 09:45 PM

kobe stans are morons, but not even they are stupid enough to believe that kobe is better anymore.
Lying to themselves on this forum is nothing more than a coping mechanism. Whatever works, i guess

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Honor Boost

10-29-2020, 09:51 PM

cool, now do things that lebron surpassed kobe in

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