Bill Simmons claims Lebron has surpassed Kareem and is now top 3

[lakers_forever]

:lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdCu2C6_4iQ

A brazilian blogger I follow has written about Bill Simmons claim yesterday in the show that Lebron has already surpassed Kareem :biggums:
What do you guys think of what Simmons said and about the Brazilian article?


http://otaviopinto.com/index.php/2016/06/23/bill-simmons-lebron-kareem/

PS: Simmons doesn't know how many titles Kareem and MVP's Kareem has won. :biggums:

[sd3035]

Stopped reading after he said Wilt played against a bunch of scrawny white guys. Simmons obviously knows his ball and isn't scared of telling the truth.

quality article

[ScalsFan21]

Bill, GTFO. You're not welcome in the LeBron/3 FMVP/top 2 all time fam after basically accusing him of juicing last year. You're right to concede he's eclipsed KAJ, Magic and Bird but you can kick rocks.

[lakers_forever]

Stopped reading after he said Wilt played against a bunch of scrawny white guys. Simmons obviously knows his ball and isn't scared of telling the truth.

quality article


Let's not turn this into a Wilt thread again. :lol

[riseagainst]

Wilt played against scrawny white guys. Anything before the 70s don't warrant any praise.

1a/1b MJ/Lebron

[sd3035]

Wilt played against scrawny white guys. Anything before the 70s don't warrant any praise.

1a/1b MJ/Lebron


Wilt would do OK in today's league if the rest of the NBA consisted only of Jimmer Fredettes, Kirk Hinriches, and Steve Blakes

[kentatm]

Kareem is #1 so LeBreezy is not ahead of him

[lakers_forever]

Kareem is #1 so LeBreezy is not ahead of him

:applause: He is certainlt up there.

Simmons dude writes a book about basketball, ranking NBA player and does not know how many rings and MVP's Cap had. :facepalm

[lakers_forever]

Wilt played against scrawny white guys. Anything before the 70s don't warrant any praise.

1a/1b MJ/Lebron

:facepalm UCLA Jabbar who played in the 60's would dominate the NBA today.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Well let's see ... more individually dominant on both sides of the ball or at the very least equal to anyone not named Jordan. Won only less to MJ, and Kareem of guys on his level of dominance individually. So, yes. Top 3 sounds very accurate. The Finals he's just had, and the team he overcame was just so impressive.

[Im Still Ballin]

Sup Coach.

[lakers_forever]

Well let's see ... more individually dominant on both sides of the ball or at the very least equal to anyone not named Jordan. Won only less to MJ, and Kareem of guys on his level of dominance individually. So, yes. Top 3 sounds very accurate. The Finals he's just had, and the team he overcame was just so impressive.

Kareem, Wilt?

Ok. How is Lebron ahead of Kareem?

[Spurs5Rings2014]

8-10.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kareem, Wilt?

Ok. How is Lebron ahead of Kareem?
Reading comprwhension, much? That's why I said you 3. Not over Kareem. Yet at least. Still has ways to go.

A number of Kareem's rings came as sidekick.

He's already got one more ring than Wilt while being comparatively individually dominant of his era.

Wilt played with what would be tantamount in comparison to LeBron, in today's league? Harden (West) and Durant (Baylor) ... yet James has already surpassed him in rings. Wilt was a loser who under performed in the playoffs and Finals compared to his regular seasons.

[stevieming]

nope.....LBJ needs to 3 peat before he gets there

[lakers_forever]

Reading comprwhension, much? That's why I said you 3. Not over Kareem. Yet at least. Still has ways to go.

A number of Kareem's rings came as sidekick.



This thread and article posted are mainly about Simmons claiming Lebron has surpassed Kareem...

[kamil]

1a/1b MJ/Lebron

:roll: :roll:

[DCL]

not top 3 right now... nope

but if he goes on an insane 4-peat or some shit from here on...

[ArbitraryWater]

definitely top 3 right now

theres just no one to touch the Jordan/James/Jabbar sustained greatness... all 3 have by far the most MVP's/Finals MVP's combined. And Jabbar should have another FMVP on top of that. Same for Bron.

Of course Russell would be close (or actually lead), but hes Russell, hard to judge, for me not dominant enough offensively. Missing the take over ability for him. If it were one thing of playing a lesser role offensively, but chipping in efficiency? Ok why not.. simply giving touches to more talented scorers. But it wasnt even that.

[HurricaneKid]

definitely top 3 right now

theres just no one to touch the Jordan/James/Jabbar sustained greatness... all 3 have by far the most MVP's/Finals MVP's combined. And Jabbar should have another FMVP on top of that. Same for Bron.

Of course Russell would be close (or actually lead), but hes Russell, hard to judge, for me not dominant enough offensively. Missing the take over ability for him. If it were one thing of playing a lesser role offensively, but chipping in efficiency? Ok why not.. simply giving touches to more talented scorers. But it wasnt even that.

Russell is one of the OGs when it came to playing team ball. But his offensive contributions were EXTREMELY limited.

For his 11 titles here are his TEAM rankings (not LEAGUE like we hold other greats to) in scoring/min. Regular season/Playoffs:

56/57 - 6th/6th
58/59 - 6th/Tied for 6th
59/60 - 7th/6th
60/61 - 6th/7th
61/62 - 8th/6th
62/63 - 10th/7th
63/64 - 9th/9th
64/65 - 10th/9th
65/66 - 13th/9th
67/68 - 12th (dead last on team)/10th
68/69 - 12th (dead last on team)/9th

Now I didn't exclude ANYONE so there are a bunch of guys that didn't play very much included in there. And I'm not one to denigrate defensive contributions. But no other defense ONLY player is ever given ANY acknowledgement as being an all time great player and Russell, as noted above, contributed VERY LITTLE offensively. If people really want to argue that LeBron is a lesser player than Russell... its just a poorly informed suggestion, given what a limited player he was.

[Keno]

i agree, definitely top 3. anyone watch that charles video? dude is delusional as fk and gets called out by bill so many times and doesn't know what to say :roll: reminds me of kobe stans.

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XlR2zRihE

oscar, kobe, duncan and bill. :roll:

charles comparing 30 year old, washed up, injured wade and bosh to PRIME, most dominant player in history in shaq. :roll: how retarded can one be

[fourkicks44]

F#ck Bill Simmons.

IT'S All ABOUT BEN SIMMONS BABY!

[Roundball_Rock]

LeBron has a case over Wilt and Russell but at this point he has no case over Kareem or Jordan.

[Sarcastic]

Simmons is an idiot. He said Wilt played against scrawny white guys, but then says Russell is number 2. If you're gonna disparage Wilt, then you are also disparaging Russell. I guess 11 of Boston's rings don't count, since they were only against scrawny white guys.

[HighFlyer23]

He's not ahead of Kareem

[Smoke117]

Reading comprwhension, much? That's why I said you 3. Not over Kareem. Yet at least. Still has ways to go.

A number of Kareem's rings came as sidekick.

He's already got one more ring than Wilt while being comparatively individually dominant of his era.

Wilt played with what would be tantamount in comparison to LeBron, in today's league? Harden (West) and Durant (Baylor) ... yet James has already surpassed him in rings. Wilt was a loser who under performed in the playoffs and Finals compared to his regular seasons.

Only two rings can you say are sidekick rings...the rest of them he was the best player and/or still the number one option on offense.

[IllegalD]

Only two rings can you say are sidekick rings...the rest of them he was the best player and/or still the number one option on offense.

:no: Finals MVPs...

[G-train]

who cares what BS thinks

[Roundball_Rock]

Only two rings can you say are sidekick rings...the rest of them he was the best player and/or still the number one option on offense.

Exactly. Pat Riley himself stated it did not become Magic's team until 1987.

[Sarcastic]

So losing in 83, 84, and 86 is all on Kareem?

[Hotlantadude81]

Lebron might be the best player ever now.

[Lebron23]

Jordan, James and Jabbar

[Smoke117]

Exactly. Pat Riley himself stated it did not become Magic's team until 1987.

In general, I think this idea of "sidekick rings" and devaluing players is bullshit, but people have to put a label on everything.

[RoseCity07]

Kareem is the best player ever. Number one. Lebron will have to surpass him and points and rebounds before I'll go there.

[lakers_forever]

Simmons is an idiot. He said Wilt played against scrawny white guys, but then says Russell is number 2. If you're gonna disparage Wilt, then you are also disparaging Russell. I guess 11 of Boston's rings don't count, since they were only against scrawny white guys.

:applause: