Dirk 2011 vs Lebron 2016

[bond10]

Saw this in another forum:

Dirk 2011

Round 1: Trailblazers (Lillard, Aldridge,Matthews)
Round 2: Lakers 2010 Champions (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum)
West Finals: Thunder (Durant, Westbrook, Harden)
Finals: Heat (James, Wade, Bosh)


LeBron 2016

Round 1: Pistons (Drummond, Jackson, Johnson)
Round 2: Hawks (Holford, Teague,Korver)
East Finals: Raptors (Lowry, Derozan, Biyombo)
Finals: Warriors 2015 Champions (Curry, Thompson, Green)

Who you got?

[moongaze]

Lebron 2016. Led all players in points,rebounds,assists, blocks and steals. First player with back to back 40 pt games in the finals. First team to come back down 1-3. Beat the team with the most regular season wins in history

Team started off 10-0

[~primetime~]

definitely Dirk

Mavs were the #4 seed that year, no one gave them a snow ball's chance in hell to even make it past the Lakers, much less OKC or the Dream Team Heat...every round they crushed fan's expectations.

Dirk had a lesser cast too. Kyrie/Love > Terry/Chandler

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron 2016. Led all players in points,rebounds,assists, blocks and steals. First player with back to back 40 pt games in the finals. First team to come back down 1-3. Beat the team with the most regular season wins in history

Team started off 10-0

:biggums:

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

[moongaze]

The mavs had great pieces on that team and wouldn't have beat the heat without the defense of the other players and rebounding. They killed the heat on the boards. Thsts what really did it for them. Plus warriors>any team Dirks squad beat

[Just2McFly]

definitely Dirk

Mavs were the #4 seed that year, no one gave them a snow ball's chance in hell to even make it past the Lakers, much less OKC or the Dream Team Heat...every round they crushed fan's expectations.

Dirk had a lesser cast too. Kyrie/Love > Terry/Chandler
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You can't be serious with this dream team heat nonsense.:oldlol: You acting like the Mavs didnt win just as much as the Heat that year. The 2011 Mavs won 57 games and the Heat won 58.

The Cavs literally just beat 73 win team fam.

[NBAGOAT]

:biggums:

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

espn did a graphic on this haha don't know how he could say this unless he missed it or trolling. He was the 5th guy after MJ, West, Barry, and Shaq. To answer the question I lean Lebron but it's close. A little better in the RS, a wash in the playoffs.

[moongaze]

:biggums:

MJ had 4 straight games of 40+ points in the 1993 finals (42, 44, 55, 41) to average 45.5 PPG during that stretch. And i'm sure West did it several times too.

You're right.

[Quickening]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I mean 2011 Thunder > 2016 Raptors, but

Not even close. LeBron.

Mavs beat a broken down Lakers team and a self imploded Heat team (thanks to Bron). Where as James led both teams in every statistical category. Played vastly superior defense. And beat the defending Champs who had won 73 games in the regular season. Looked like Monstars level of unstoppable.

This is stupid. LeBron's Finals was near 91 - 93 MJ, 00 - 02 Shaq, and 06 Wade territory. Dirk wasn't even close to 2012 - 2015 LeBron level performance in the Finals.

[DMAVS41]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

I don't really care to argue this, but please use real efficiency...

And the answer is Lebron...he clearly was not going to let his team lose and what he did in games 5/6 was historic in a way that Dirk didn't achieve in 11. Not to say Dirk didn't have his moments, but not quite like that.

Only argument Dirk really has here is that his road was much tougher and maybe an argument can be made that Lebron's inept shooting wouldn't have been good enough to beat 3 teams in a row that could beat his team if he didn't play well.

I don't know though...hard to watch what happened in the finals with his back against the wall and think that dude is losing to any of the teams the Mavs beat in 11.

[nightprowler10]

I guess the real question is, is GSW 2016 > Heat 2011 team? I say yes but not by too much. Dubs really cared about their record, none of the Heatles teams really cared.

Dirk had a really tough road to the finals compared to Lebron, who had Kyrie doing a lot of good work throughout the playoffs. Dirk had Jet and sometimes the little dude, otherwise he had to carry the load offensively most of the time. Unless I'm mistaken, Dirk faced all these teams at full strength. Lebron benefited hugely from Green's suspension.

I'd say it's very close.

[NBAGOAT]

Lebron statistically was comfortably the better player offensively, and he played great defence, especially in the finals, plus he beat a 73 win team.

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting.


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

The 3 pt shot actually makes Dirk more efficient so it's not comfortable. 61TS% for Dirk to 58.5%TS for Lebron. Lebron was better in the Finals no doubt, Dirk was better the in the conference Finals however.

[moongaze]

Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

42 percent is putrid. I'm not a big fan of using ts%. . I value conversion rate more. Converting on 42 percent of your shots is not good no matter what analytics you use to make it look better.

[ArbitraryWater]

For the Finals its not even a discussion.. for the playoffs? Different type of adversity. Bron wasnt really challenged besides in the Toronto game 6.

[feyki]

Dirk was greatest clutch player of all time in the 11 playoffs . And he was better scorer and far better shooter than this year Lebron . But beside of those , Lebron is better at everything else .

[Just2McFly]

I guess the real question is, is GSW 2016 > Heat 2011 team? I say yes but not by too much. Dubs really cared about their record, none of the Heatles teams really cared.

Dirk had a really tough road to the finals compared to Lebron, who had Kyrie doing a lot of good work throughout the playoffs. Dirk had Jet and sometimes the little dude, otherwise he had to carry the load offensively most of the time. Unless I'm mistaken, Dirk faced all these teams at full strength. Lebron benefited hugely from Green's suspension.

I'd say it's very close.

What are you talking about? Dirk had corpses of Peja and others coming off the bench and dropping 20 in some games. He had plenty of help man.

[lilteapot]

Dirk in 2011 had maybe not as good a Finals as Lebron in 2016, but overall he had an epic, masterpiece of a playoff run.

[moongaze]

I guess the real question is, is GSW 2016 > Heat 2011 team? I say yes but not by too much. Dubs really cared about their record, none of the Heatles teams really cared.

Dirk had a really tough road to the finals compared to Lebron, who had Kyrie doing a lot of good work throughout the playoffs. Dirk had Jet and sometimes the little dude, otherwise he had to carry the load offensively most of the time. Unless I'm mistaken, Dirk faced all these teams at full strength. Lebron benefited hugely from Green's suspension.

I'd say it's very close.

How did he benefit from greens suspension? He scored the exact same points as he did the game green was suspended and the cavs won by 1 less point with green playing than they did when he wasn't playing

[ClipperRevival]

Overall playoff run, I would give the edge to Dirk. He carried a large load, was clutch as hell and was more consistent throughout. But Bron obviously had a finals for the ages.

[riseagainst]

Even though Lebron had an easier path to the finals, I'll still take him. He did literally everything in the finals for his team. Defeated the winningest team of all time while being a huge underdog.

[Quickening]

Overall playoff run, I would give the edge to Dirk. He carried a large load, was clutch as hell and was more consistent throughout. But Bron obviously had a finals for the ages.

Dirk more consistent?

Dirk for playoffs averaged 28, 3 and 8 on 49 percent shooting, with a per of 25.

Lebron for playoffs averaged 26, 8 and 10 on 53 percent shooting, with a per of 30


Dirk for the 2011 finals averaged 26, 2, 10 on 42 percent shooting.

Lebron for the 2016 finals averaged 30, 9, 11 on 50 percent shooting.

[ThatCoolKid]

Having watched both of these runs, Dirk was clearly more impactful through the first 3 rounds than Bran was. Dirk was clutch as hell in the WCSF and WCF.

Dirk regressed in the finals, however. He had a good performance, but clearly Lebron was more impactful.

So it comes down to whether you value the Finals or the first 3 rounds more.

I would say Lebron had the better run, but I definitely see how someone could choose Dirk.

[Haymaker]

For the Finals its not even a discussion.. for the playoffs? Different type of adversity. Bron wasnt really challenged besides in the Toronto game 6.


This.

[stevieming]

Dirk's run man.....epic to watch...

Lebron only had to play one play off series in truth, the final against golden state, and then he had Kyrie going ham on offense to help his unreliable scoring....

in game 5, in 1st quarter Lebron was not good out the gates and Kyrie steadied the ship, everytime GS scored, Kyrie answered.

Dirk was scoring all of 2011 playoff and he didn't have a kick ass 2nd scoring option with him...

plus cav won a ton of blowouts, which meant they weren't tested until the finals really...

[nightprowler10]

How did he benefit from greens suspension? He scored the exact same points as he did the game green was suspended and the cavs won by 1 less point with green playing than they did when he wasn't playing
Green was walking on eggshells in that first game back.

[Just2McFly]

Dirk's run man.....epic to watch...

Lebron only had to play one play off series in truth, the final against golden state, and then he had Kyrie going ham on offense to help his unreliable scoring....

in game 5, in 1st quarter Lebron was not good out the gates and Kyrie steadied the ship, everytime GS scored, Kyrie answered.

Dirk was scoring all of 2011 playoff and he didn't have a kick ass 2nd scoring option with him...

plus cav won a ton of blowouts, which meant they weren't tested until the finals really...
:biggums: :coleman:

Why the hell are we acting like the Mavs didn't beat the Lakers and OKC 4-0 and 4-1?

You guys are acting like during his run he was killing people in game 7's and shit.:oldlol:

[feyki]

:biggums: :coleman:

Why the hell are we acting like the Mavs didn't beat the Lakers and OKC 4-0 and 4-1?

You guys are acting like during his run he was killing people in game 7's and shit.:oldlol:

He was killing both teams .He Did beat the LA with amazing clutch performances in the first two games . And then last game was shooting training .

In the conference finals , w/out goat shooting game , series would have been 2-0 .

And Dirk had the greatest 4th quarter in nba finals history at that finals . He had points almost as many as Big3 in the 4th period of that finals .

Of course , he had much less help . Only Hakeem,Duncan and Barry took his team to the championship like that type in history .

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums: :coleman:

Why the hell are we acting like the Mavs didn't beat the Lakers and OKC 4-0 and 4-1?

You guys are acting like during his run he was killing people in game 7's and shit.:oldlol:

:facepalm

Dirk's Mavericks were probably the team with the most 4th quarter comebacks in playoffs history.

WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 1 (down 7 entering, down 5 with 3.30 left - down 16 at 10.0 3rd Q)
WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 3 (down 8 with 7 minutes left, down 6 with 4 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 4 (down 15 with 5 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 5 (down 8 with 8 left, down 7 with 5.30 left, down 4 with 2.20 left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 2 (down 15 with 6.30 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 4 (down 9 with 10 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 5 (down 4 with 4.30 minutes left, down 3 with 3.30 minutes left)

You idiot.

[TomCat]

Lebron is Jesus reincarnated.

/thread

[Big164]

LeBron's Finals was near 91 - 93 MJ, 00 - 02 Shaq, and 06 Wade territory.
Lebrons numbers are no where near those ranges. Stop lying.

Jordan's First 3peat
36.3 ppg .591 ts%

Shaq's 2000s 3peat
35.9 ppg .591 ts%

Wade's 2006 Finals
34.7 ppg .572 ts%

Lebron's 2016 Finals
29.7 ppg .562 ts%

[Dray n Klay]

Lebrons numbers are no where near those ranges. Stop lying.

Jordan's First 3peat
36.3 ppg .591 ts%

Shaq's 2000s 3peat
35.9 ppg .591 ts%

Wade's 2006 Finals
34.7 ppg .572 ts%

Lebron's 2016 Finals
29.7 ppg .562 ts%


Umm. rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks dumbass??

[ArbitraryWater]

Its probably the GOAT finals, tbh..

[Young X]

Its probably the GOAT finals, tbh..No way.

He had 3 disappointing games. 2 mediocre games (games 1 and 4) and 1 terrible one (game 2).

He was apart of the reason why his team went down 1-3 in the first place.

Fantastic series and legendary accomplishment but nowhere near the GOAT finals. This was like his 2013 series against the Spurs but better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lebrons numbers are no where near those ranges. Stop lying.

Jordan's First 3peat
36.3 ppg .591 ts%

Shaq's 2000s 3peat
35.9 ppg .591 ts%

Wade's 2006 Finals
34.7 ppg .572 ts%

Lebron's 2016 Finals
29.7 ppg .562 ts%
I'm talking the totality of his performance, moron ...

He's never been a volume scorer at heart.

Plus last season, even if on suspect efficiency due to having no other scoring options to distract Golden State's defense, and inconsistent jumper, he put up like 35 ppg for the series.

[ArbitraryWater]

No way.

He had 3 disappointing games. 2 mediocre games (games 1 and 4) and 1 terrible one (game 2).

He was apart of the reason why his team went down 1-3 in the first place.

Fantastic series and legendary accomplishment but nowhere near the GOAT finals. This was like his 2013 series against the Spurs but better.

What a wack comparison. Its not even close to the 2013 series. Literally two tiers apart.

Its got the advanced stats, play and story for GOAT.

[Young X]

What a wack comparison. Its not even close to the 2013 series. Literally two tiers apart.

Its got the advanced stats, play and story for GOAT.You're right, that wasn't the best comparison.

But you can't have the GOAT finals series when you underperform in 3 of 7 games.

You're looking at it from an overall view which is a flawed way of looking at playoff series' because of the same size.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ranking Finals, beyond narrative

'93 MJ
'91 MJ
'16 Bron
'92 MJ
'12 Bron
'15 Bron
'97 MJ
'13 Bron
'98 MJ
'14 Bron
'96 MJ
'07 Bron
'11 Bron

[G0ATbe]

Easily Dirk 2011 for me. He beat the defending champs, and then a far more stacked team than GS in the finals. LeBald was the 3rd option on that Heat team for the series despite being allegedly better than curry. What I witnessed in those 6 games is why i'll forever have Dirk higher than Bald on my all time list.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ranking Finals, beyond narrative

'93 MJ
'91 MJ
'16 Bron
'92 MJ
'12 Bron
'15 Bron
'97 MJ
'13 Bron
'98 MJ
'14 Bron
'96 MJ
'07 Bron
'11 Bron

Where would '06 Wade's rank on that list?

[NBAGOAT]

sos is lebron's best argument for this Finals. I'm leaning Shaq 2000 as the GOAT Finals even if Indiana had no one to guard him. Kobe was injured and didn't play well, Rice wasn't much help and Indiana was on fire from 3. All his games were unquestionably great.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Where would '06 Wade's rank on that list?
Tied or maybe slightly above 92 MJ. You?

[SouBeachTalents]

Tied or maybe slightly above 92 MJ. You?

Agreed, top 5 out of that list in no order

'91 Jordan
'92 Jordan
'93 Jordan
'06 Wade
'16 LeBron

[SamuraiSWISH]

Agreed, top 5 out of that list in no order

'91 Jordan
'92 Jordan
'93 Jordan
'06 Wade
'16 LeBron
Nice. Co sign. Now add Kobe and all of Wade's Finals to the entirety of my list, bro.

[tpols]

Dirk had the more impressive playoff run, but Lebron had the highest peak in the Finals.. but still you have to consider the massive gulf in competition disparity. Lebron was amazing to close the Finals, but Dirk had to be on god mode just to make the Finals and then had to destroy everybody in crunchtime to eek out a victory versus peak wade, bron, and bosh.. so Dirk overall for playoff run for me.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're right, that wasn't the best comparison.

But you can't have the GOAT finals series when you underperform in 3 of 7 games.

You're looking at it from an overall view which is a flawed way of looking at playoff series' because of the same size.

I disagree... I think its flawed picking out 3 mediocre games, because there were 2 others ones in which he was GOAT level, and two other good ones.. overall the mediocre ones are more than washed out by game 5/6, that its better than just having two good performances, which wouldnt result in a win anyway.

Ranking Finals:

'16 Bron
'91 MJ
'92 MJ
'93 MJ
'15 Bron
'12 Bron
'14 Bron
'97 MJ
'13 Bron
'98 MJ
'96 MJ
'07 Bron
'11 Bron

This is too cluttered if I add Kobe. There isnt any Kobe series which ranks up top 7 or so anyway.

[Micku]

I guess the real question is, is GSW 2016 > Heat 2011 team? I say yes but not by too much. Dubs really cared about their record, none of the Heatles teams really cared.

Dirk had a really tough road to the finals compared to Lebron, who had Kyrie doing a lot of good work throughout the playoffs. Dirk had Jet and sometimes the little dude, otherwise he had to carry the load offensively most of the time. Unless I'm mistaken, Dirk faced all these teams at full strength. Lebron benefited hugely from Green's suspension.

I'd say it's very close.

The 2011 Heat would probably beat the 2016 Warriors assuming if LBJ played like his usually self. At least imo.

2011 Heat were a better defensive team than the 2016 Cavs, but the Cavs got them on the rebounds. Wade and LBJ were a lot of talent, and Bosh could defend the pick and roll better than Love and K.Thompson. So, it would be interesting.

[LikeABosh]

Lebron by far. His all around numbers while playing elite defense, perimeter and inside, makes this not even worth debating.

[Young X]

I disagree... I think its flawed picking out 3 mediocre games, because there were 2 others ones in which he was GOAT level, and two other good ones.. overall the mediocre ones are more than washed out by game 5/6, that its better than just having two good performances, which wouldnt result in a win anyway.

Ranking Finals:

'16 Bron
'91 MJ
'92 MJ
'93 MJ
'15 Bron
'12 Bron
'14 Bron
'97 MJ
'13 Bron
'98 MJ
'96 MJ
'07 Bron
'11 Bron

This is too cluttered if I add Kobe. There isnt any Kobe series which ranks up top 7 or so anyway.Wouldn't it be better to gave multiple GOAT-level games and still be good/great in all the other games too though?

[SouBeachTalents]

Nice. Co sign. Now add Kobe and all of Wade's Finals to the entirety of my list, bro.

Lol, that's too tough a task for now man. I'll just rank them by Finals wins

Tier 1
'93 Jordan
'91 Jordan
'16 LeBron
'92 Jordan
'06 Wade

Tier 2
'97 Jordan
'12 LeBron
'09 Kobe
'13 LeBron
'02 Kobe

Tier 3
'98 Jordan
'10 Kobe
'01 Kobe
'96 Jordan
'12 Wade
'13 Wade
'00 Kobe

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lol, that's too tough a task for now man. I'll just rank them by Finals wins

Tier 1
'93 Jordan
'91 Jordan
'16 LeBron
'92 Jordan
'06 Wade

Tier 2
'97 Jordan
'12 LeBron
'09 Kobe
'13 LeBron
'02 Kobe

Tier 3
'98 Jordan
'10 Kobe
'01 Kobe
'96 Jordan
'12 Wade
'13 Wade
'00 Kobe
Gorgeous :applause:

Where's 2004, 2007, and 2011 ... :D

[houston]

Saw this in another forum:

Dirk 2011

Round 1: Trailblazers (Lillard, Aldridge,Matthews)
Round 2: Lakers 2010 Champions (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum)
West Finals: Thunder (Durant, Westbrook, Harden)
Finals: Heat (James, Wade, Bosh)


LeBron 2016

Round 1: Pistons (Drummond, Jackson, Johnson)
Round 2: Hawks (Holford, Teague,Korver)
East Finals: Raptors (Lowry, Derozan, Biyombo)
Finals: Warriors 2015 Champions (Curry, Thompson, Green)

Who you got?



Lillard wasn't on that team he wasn't even drafted yet.



Roy,G.Wallace,Aldrige

Kobe,Gasol,Artest

Durant,Westbrook,Ibaka,Harden

LeBRON,wADE,Bosh


2011 Mavs core Kidd,Dirk,Terry,Marion+ Chandler

2016 Cavs core Irving,Love,JR Smith,Lebron+ Thompson


True be told it a toss up with this Dirk handle more the scoring load of course with Kidd playmaking/defense and Marion too.

While Lebron was playing playmaker/defense/scoring with Kyrie scoring and Love playing the big position.


Lebron was better by a slight. Kyrie Love never had no playoff experience like that before Lebron came into the picture and Kyrie miss 30 games this season. Jason Kidd was already all-time great and plenty of playoff experience and Marion had also with his Suns years. Heck Love and Kyrie never been on a 50 win team as all-stars.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol, that's too tough a task for now man. I'll just rank them by Finals wins

Tier 1
'93 Jordan
'91 Jordan
'16 LeBron
'92 Jordan
'06 Wade

Tier 2
'97 Jordan
'12 LeBron
'09 Kobe
'13 LeBron
'02 Kobe

Tier 3
'98 Jordan
'10 Kobe
'01 Kobe
'96 Jordan
'12 Wade
'13 Wade
'00 Kobe


Gorgeous :applause:


well, its literally just like yours lol

[Micku]

Perimeter players get too much love. Where da Shaq at? Shaq 2000-2002 just as good as the first peat MJ. 2000 Shaq averaged 38 ppg, 17 rpg on 61% shooting. C'mon!

Against DPOY in 2001, he averaged 33 ppg and 16 rpg on on 57% shooting.

How about Kareem? 28 ppg, 19 rpg, on 60% in 71.

[pauk]

Not sure if serious, Lebron.

[Cold soul]

Dirk fairly easy I think very high of his 2011 postseason run one of best individual performances since 06 Wade for me.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Overrated.

Decrepit Lakers. Baby Thunder. Imploded Heat.

[houston]

Perimeter players get too much love. Where da Shaq at? Shaq 2000-2002 just as good as the first peat MJ. 2000 Shaq averaged 38 ppg, 17 rpg on 61% shooting. C'mon!

Against DPOY in 2001, he averaged 33 ppg and 16 rpg on on 57% shooting.

How about Kareem? 28 ppg, 19 rpg, on 60% in 71.


Duncan run 2003 is the GOAT run for a bigman.


But Lebron win this Kyrie and Love never been on 50 win team before they got with Lebron. Hell Andre Igoudala had more team success as THE MAN than those two with playoff experience. Hell he was with a 57 win team with the Nuggets in 2013 with the only player with all-star experience. And pull a first round upset of the Bulls when Rose went down in 2012.

[AintNoSunshine]

Warriors were by far the best team here. Lebron clawed back from a 1-3 holes with back to back to back legendary games against all odds. Led everyone in everything.

Dirk beat BIGGER NAMES

Bron beat the BEST TEAM

[masonanddixon]

Dirk obviously. lol at this even being a discussion. This just shows what a joke this site is now.

[Nilocon165]

Dirk obviously. lol at this even being a discussion. This just shows what a joke this site is now.
masonanddixon is an overrated clown who speaks without knowing the facts. A total doofus!!

[masonanddixon]

Warriors were by far the best team here. Lebron clawed back from a 1-3 holes with back to back to back legendary games against all odds. Led everyone in everything.

Dirk beat BIGGER NAMES

Bron beat the BEST TEAM

lol Warriors were down 3-1 to a Thunder team that wasn't half as good as it was in 2011.

[NBAGOAT]

lol Warriors were down 3-1 to a Thunder team that wasn't half as good as it was in 2011.

and that statement shows how much of a joke you are as a poster. This year's thunder may be better than the 2012 version. How in the hell is the 2011 version twice as good or even better. for that matter.

[Big164]

Umm. rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks dumbass??
Shaq averaged.... AVERAGED better numbers in 3 years than Lebron did in Lebron's best Finals. And it wasnt just scoring, Shaq trounces him in practically every meaningful stat.

Shaq's 3peat

35.9 ppg
.591 ts%
15.2 rpg
3.5 apg
.66 spg
2.93 bpg
TOV 3.13

2016 Lebron

29.7 ppg
.562 ts%
11.3 rpg
8.9 apg
2.6 spg
2.3 bpg
TOV 4.4

[Lebron23]

Shaq averaged.... AVERAGED better numbers in 3 years than Lebron did in Lebron's best Finals. And it wasnt just scoring, Shaq trounces him in practically every meaningful stat.

Shaq's 3peat

35.9 ppg
.591 ts%
15.2 rpg
3.5 apg
.66 spg
2.93 bpg
TOV 3.13

2016 Lebron

29.7 ppg
.562 ts%
11.3 rpg
8.9 apg
2.6 spg
2.3 bpg
TOV 4.4

Both are better than Kobe Bryant. But LeBron put up numbers against the best regular season of all time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Shaq averaged.... AVERAGED better numbers in 3 years than Lebron did in Lebron's best Finals. And it wasnt just scoring, Shaq trounces him in practically every meaningful stat.

Shaq's 3peat

35.9 ppg
.591 ts%
15.2 rpg
3.5 apg
.66 spg
2.93 bpg
TOV 3.13

2016 Lebron

29.7 ppg
.562 ts%
11.3 rpg
8.9 apg
2.6 spg
2.3 bpg
TOV 4.4
Lol dude ...

2011 Mavs
2012 Thunder
2013 Spurs
2014 Spurs
2015 Warriors
2016 Warriors

Are all > 2001 Sixers, 2002 Nets

:oldlol:

[KirbyPls]

Lol dude ...

2011 Mavs
2012 Thunder
2013 Spurs
2014 Spurs
2015 Warriors
2016 Warriors

Are all > 2001 Sixers, 2002 Nets

:oldlol:

:applause:

[Just2McFly]

:facepalm

Dirk's Mavericks were probably the team with the most 4th quarter comebacks in playoffs history.

WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 1 (down 7 entering, down 5 with 3.30 left - down 16 at 10.0 3rd Q)
WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 3 (down 8 with 7 minutes left, down 6 with 4 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 4 (down 15 with 5 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 5 (down 8 with 8 left, down 7 with 5.30 left, down 4 with 2.20 left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 2 (down 15 with 6.30 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 4 (down 9 with 10 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 5 (down 4 with 4.30 minutes left, down 3 with 3.30 minutes left)

You idiot.

Lmao at these being major comebacks.... you can't be serious at all. Being down 6 with 4 minutes left is something major now? That's two f*cking baskets... like this is some ridiculous nonsense.

Like I said, you guys are acting like during any of these games, they were favored to win or faced elimination. For the first time in a long time, the pressure was off of Dirk and co and they took advantage.

This guy has the NERVE to call me an idiot and then start posting sh*t like they were down 10 with 9 minutes left as if that is a lead that is insurmountable by most.:oldlol:

GTFO here.

[dankok8]

There is no way Dirk in 2011 was anything near the player 2016 Lebron is. Scoring is close and Lebron annihilates him in every other aspect of the game.

And Dirk's clutch performances in the Finals get way overrated.

[tpols]

Dirk beat BIGGER NAMES

Bron beat the BEST TEAM

Golden State wasn't the best "TEAM" by the time Finals were coming to a close. They had too much missed time in their frontcourt for that to be a true statement. Warriors are a spurs style team that relies more equally on all pieces rather than a star driven iso team so this was especially harder on them. The Heat otoh, were healthy all the way through and had two players at their peaks arguably better than anybody on Golden State.

And if you compare roads to the title, Dallas's first round matchup Portland Trailblazers was a better team than any team the Cavs faced in the East and they were actually predicted to beat Dallas by quite a few epxerts.


Thats what you guys cant comprehend.. Dallas was literally a 50/50 shot at being a first round team.. and they slayed giant after giant as underdogs. The Cavs were a lock for the Finals before they even stepped foot on their homecourt for the first minute of playoff basketball.. and got a bunch of lucky breaks to go their way in the Finals that decimated the team that was handing them their asses before the problems accrued.

The Mavs run was infititely less probable and more magical, and Dirk was big dog leader, didnt have anyone on Kyrie's level to share the load like bron did.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao at these being major comebacks.... you can't be serious at all. Being down 6 with 4 minutes left is something major now? That's two f*cking baskets... like this is some ridiculous nonsense.

Like I said, you guys are acting like during any of these games, they were favored to win or faced elimination. For the first time in a long time, the pressure was off of Dirk and co and they took advantage.

This guy has the NERVE to call me an idiot and then start posting sh*t like they were down 10 with 9 minutes left as if that is a lead that is insurmountable by most.:oldlol:

GTFO here.

If in a 4-5 game series you are down double digits twice, do you not see how close the series was to turning the other way? :oldlol: Fcking moron.

[ArbitraryWater]

There is no way Dirk in 2011 was anything near the player 2016 Lebron is. Scoring is close and Lebron annihilates him in every other aspect of the game.

And Dirk's clutch performances in the Finals get way overrated.

It really doesnt.. he had the third highest ppg for a 4th quarter finals series, on the second highest TS% for a finals series... stop.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao at these being major comebacks.... you can't be serious at all. Being down 6 with 4 minutes left is something major now? That's two f*cking baskets... like this is some ridiculous nonsense.

Like I said, you guys are acting like during any of these games, they were favored to win or faced elimination. For the first time in a long time, the pressure was off of Dirk and co and they took advantage.

This guy has the NERVE to call me an idiot and then start posting sh*t like they were down 10 with 9 minutes left as if that is a lead that is insurmountable by most.:oldlol:

GTFO here.

So I continued reading your other BS, and the bolded is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard... were you alive in 2011?

This isnt even about insurmountable leads... but those are good, sometimes even CRAZY leads... coming back from 15 with 5 minutes left, TWICE? Down 16 in the third in another game? What is wrong with you to not acknowledge that? Youre just way off here...

[Just2McFly]

So I continued reading your other BS, and the bolded is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard... were you alive in 2011?

This isnt even about insurmountable leads... but those are good, sometimes even CRAZY leads... coming back from 15 with 5 minutes left, TWICE? Down 16 in the third in another game? What is wrong with you to not acknowledge that? Youre just way off here...

Your reading comprehension is shit. I was ridiculing you trying to compile a list of every time there were down during their playoff run. Being down 6 with three minutes to go isn't major. Neither is being down 10 with 10 minutes to go. 4-5 of those comebacks on your list are shit.

You are over here making them seem like the 2000 Lakers when it really wasn't that magnitude at all.

I don't even know why you bolded the pressure part. They had no pressure on them because Dirk was deemed a choker and no one expected them to do shit. Please explain to me, when the Mavs were favored and had pressure on them. Please.

You keep hyping his games like we didn't see them all. It was a great run, just isn't close to Lebron's at all. End of story.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Golden State wasn't the best "TEAM" by the time Finals were coming to a close.
Lol what? This is absolute stupidity. Who was better? They just won 3 straight games against a team that had them on the ropes.

They were a better team than Cleveland. Cavs just had the best 2 players in the series considering Kyrie convincingly outplayed Curry.



The Mavs run was infititely less probable and more magical, and Dirk was big dog leader, didnt have anyone on Kyrie's level to share the load like bron did.
What? You were just stanning the Warriors less than a week ago claiming they were the best team ever and better than the '96 Bulls. Now you're claiming defeating a 73 win team isn't impressive? A team that got to the conference finals basically without their best player?

:facepalm

You've become such a joke in regards to your bias for the Warriors and west coast teams in general, and your obvious skewed disdain for LeBron. Give respect where it's due. He earned it in Cleveland the past two seasons.

Ass backward, short term revisionist history to fit an agenda. SMH. What Cleveland just did led by Bron and Kyrie was LEGENDARY. More so than the 2011 Mavericks with no expectations beating broken down LA, a young inexperienced Thunder team, and a self imploded Heat team.

You were calling the 2016 Warriors the best team of all time, all season and post season. Only now when your maligned LeBron brings Cleveland back from being down 3 games to 1, on back to back legendary games, and a very good game 7 ... all of a sudden wasn't the best team ever, or even the best team heading into the Finals?

Dude you've quickly become a joke on here with your Warriors fascination the past two years. My god.

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Your reading comprehension is shit. I was ridiculing you trying to compile a list of every time there were down during their playoff run. Being down 6 with three minutes to go isn't major. Neither is being down 10 with 10 minutes to go. 4-5 of those comebacks on your list are shit.

You are over here making them seem like the 2000 Lakers when it really wasn't that magnitude at all.

I don't even know why you bolded the pressure part. They had no pressure on them because Dirk was deemed a choker and no one expected them to do shit. Please explain to me, when the Mavs were favored and had pressure on them. Please.

You keep hyping his games like we didn't see them all. It was a great run, just isn't close to Lebron's at all. End of story.

So we have two comebacks from down 15 w/ 6 minutes left, in series', that would have resulted in 2-2 and 0-2... just alone finding two comeback wins from that margin, you wont be able to... but try.

2000 Lakers? You know the 2000 Lakers dont have nearly enough the same type of comebacks, right? Instead they faced a game 7 after being up 3-1... failed comparison if there ever was one :lol

Your entire take on pressure/no pressure is hideous lol.... so because they were deemed chokers there is no pressure? What kind of logic is that? So according to you, the most pressure they faced was against Portland? You sir = low IQ

So we have two 15 pt comebacks at the 6 minute mark.... another game down 16 in the third.... two more down 8 in the 4th.... another down 9 in the 4th.... that leaves us with 6 big comebacks, 3 of which were huge.

I posted 6 comebacks, only one was 'minor'.. (down 4)... but please, pick out 4-5 shit comebacks...

what even was the biggest Cavaliers comeback this postseason, since all the Mavs ones are so ordinary, apparently? :oldlol: 4 pts? Did they even have a second game where they came back from a deficit?

LeBron's was great, his overall run.. but it wasnt as defying as Dirk's overall.. or as clutch. But definitely the better finals.

[tpols]

Lol what? This is absolute stupidity. Who was better? They just won 3 straight games against a team that had them on the ropes.


Swish.. read.

Poster I quoted was putting emphasis on golden state being better than 2011 Miami because of their "TEAM" play, but with Bogut out, their best offensive screener, great passer and facilitator of offense, dray out for the swing home game, and Iggy a shell they were no longer looking like the 73 win "TEAM" they were in the regular season.

swish.. you gotta read pal.




What? You were just stanning the Warriors less than a week ago claiming they were the best team ever and better than the '96 Bulls.


I know.. I've been living inside your head rent free ever since because your emotions got stirred up. :lol It's okay .. you can let it go. Warriors proved they werent the best team ever this year w/ all of the injuries and choking from klay and curry. They have a lot of work to do in terms of their attitude.. got too cocky, and will have to humble themselves to recover and become great again in the future.



You've become such a joke in regards to your bias for the Warriors and west coast teams in general, and your obvious skewed disdain for LeBron. Give respect where it's due. He earned it in Cleveland the past two seasons.


I gave props to it and am happy for real Cavs fans.. jordan groupies, like yourself, bran stans etc I will still troll, but Bron is a top 5 player all time. Caught some breaks, but every player has..

West is definitively better than the east by every measure as SAS, GSW, and OKC are all > any team other than Cleveland, this is a fact and you stomping around like a child acting like physicality is making the raptors or the hawks better than the spurs or the thunder isn't going to change reality.

Sorry, bud.




Ass backward, short term revisionist history to fit an agenda. SMH. What Cleveland just did led by Bron and Kyrie was LEGENDARY. More so than the 2011 Mavericks with no expectations beating broken down LA, a young inexperienced Thunder team, and a self imploded Heat team.



Lakers were broken down but still, with Bynum back when he was 2nd best Center in the league they were still somewhat formidable.. and better than joke Hawks. Thunder obviously were much better than the raptors and as a whole Dallas's battle was much more uphill and unexpected. Dirk was dropping 45 on 15 shots and having better clutch stats than Jordan. THAT has to seer your soul. :oldlol:

[Big164]

Lol dude ...

2011 Mavs
2012 Thunder
2013 Spurs
2014 Spurs
2015 Warriors
2016 Warriors

Are all > 2001 Sixers, 2002 Nets

:oldlol:
And Lebron lost half those Finals, whats your point? If it wasnt for NBA disciplining Draymond Green and Ayesha Curry itd be 2/6 easy

[Just2McFly]

So we have two comebacks from down 15 w/ 6 minutes left, in series', that would have resulted in 2-2 and 0-2... just alone finding two comeback wins from that margin, you wont be able to... but try.

2000 Lakers? You know the 2000 Lakers dont have nearly enough the same type of comebacks, right? Instead they faced a game 7 after being up 3-1... failed comparison if there ever was one :lol

Your entire take on pressure/no pressure is hideous lol.... so because they were deemed chokers there is no pressure? What kind of logic is that? So according to you, the most pressure they faced was against Portland? You sir = low IQ

So we have two 15 pt comebacks at the 6 minute mark.... another game down 16 in the third.... two more down 8 in the 4th.... another down 9 in the 4th.... that leaves us with 6 big comebacks, 3 of which were huge.

I posted 6 comebacks, only one was 'minor'.. (down 4)... but please, pick out 4-5 shit comebacks...

what even was the biggest Cavaliers comeback this postseason, since all the Mavs ones are so ordinary, apparently? :oldlol: 4 pts? Did they even have a second game where they came back from a deficit?

LeBron's was great, his overall run.. but it wasnt as defying as Dirk's overall.. or as clutch. But definitely the better finals.

You are an idiot. I didn't dispute the 15pt comebacks.:facepalm

being down 8 and 9 in the 4th with more than 5 minutes left happens regularly, like that's not a f*cking ESPN instant classic b.

You don't actually read what I am posting but I'm giving you room for error because english isn't your native tongue.

You can make up all the rhetoric you want, but Dirk wasn't his team's defensive anchor, main facilitator or leading rebounder. He was their primary scorer and benefit from a host of clutch role players that you overlook to boost his case. How dare you give the man sole credit for these comebacks as if I didn't watch those games?

You should be ashamed. Game 2 of the Finals... during that run...what did Dirk do? iirc... DIRK DIDNT SCORE UNTIL THE GAME WAS CLOSE and You acting like he put his foot down and single handedly led his team to victory.

:coleman:

Your main example that you keep crying about he wasn't even doing shit, it was all Jason Terry.:oldlol: Like come on b.

His run was great, but he wasn't having the impact on games that Lebron had during his run, plain and simple. You can keep misrepresenting facts all you want, but your shining example (Game 2 of the Finals) his teammates lead that come back charge and were running plays to get Dirk free.

So I ask you, were you alive in 2011?

Lebron has his imprints on every facet of the game, like few have ever done before.... and that doesn't include Dirk. The way he played this postseason and the absolute control he had over the game and the pace is something Dirk has never had. Ever.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dirk was dropping 45 on 15 shots and having better clutch stats than Jordan. THAT has to seer your soul. :oldlol:
You're right tpols. Dirk > Jordan, and is the more clutch player.

[aj1987]

Forget about LeBron's scoring, playmaking, and rebounding. Dude was better than Kawhi in the RS on defense. People bitch about officiating, but look at the FT discrepancy between the two. A soft jump shooting big and a hyper athletic rim attacker.

Then, LeBron also was a significantly better rebounder and playmaker. Oh, and Dirk averaged pretty much the same number of TOV's, while primarily playing off-ball.

LeBron '16 >>>>>> '11 Dirk

Not even in the same league.

[Wade's Rings]

:facepalm

Dirk's Mavericks were probably the team with the most 4th quarter comebacks in playoffs history.

WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 1 (down 7 entering, down 5 with 3.30 left - down 16 at 10.0 3rd Q)
WCSF v.s. Lakers Game 3 (down 8 with 7 minutes left, down 6 with 4 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 4 (down 15 with 5 minutes left)
WCF v.s. Thunder Game 5 (down 8 with 8 left, down 7 with 5.30 left, down 4 with 2.20 left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 2 (down 15 with 6.30 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 4 (down 9 with 10 minutes left)
Finals v.s. Heat Game 5 (down 4 with 4.30 minutes left, down 3 with 3.30 minutes left)

You idiot.

These aren't major comebacks. 9 with 10 minutes left is plenty of time to get back in the game, 4pts with 4:30 left? That's 2 buckets to tie or take the lead. :oldlol:

[Just2McFly]

These aren't major comebacks. 9 with 10 minutes left is plenty of time to get back in the game, 4pts with 4:30 left? That's 2 buckets to tie or take the lead. :oldlol:
I thought I was the only one. Those are the 4 I was talking about.

[aj1987]

These aren't major comebacks. 9 with 10 minutes left is plenty of time to get back in the game, 4pts with 4:30 left? That's 2 buckets to tie or take the lead. :oldlol:
AutisticWater, bruh. Dude started watching basketball highlights on YT like 4 years old.

[inclinerator]

cant believe dirk shot 9 fts a game compared to lebron's 6

[SamuraiSWISH]

cant believe dirk shot 9 fts a game compared to lebron's 6
Seriously. Soft jump shooter vs an elite all time attacker off the dribble. Makes no sense. LeBron was getting hammered in game 7 especially.

[Wade's Rings]

I thought I was the only one. Those are the 4 I was talking about.

Just read through the rest of the thread and saw your posts, agreed completely.


AutisticWater, bruh. Dude started watching basketball highlights on YT like 4 years old.

From reading his posts this isn't surprising.

[tpols]

You're right tpols. Dirk > Jordan, and is the more clutch player.


you would think a jordan stan would have appreciation for one of the most dominant midrange crunchtime scoring exhibitions of all time.. guess not for you

[Wade's Rings]

Seriously. Soft jump shooter vs an elite all time attacker off the dribble. Makes no sense. LeBron was getting hammered in game 7 especially.

He averaged 1 less FTA than Wade in the 2006 Playoffs and was averaging more through the 1st 3 rounds. No one ever questions him getting to the line though.

[SamuraiSWISH]

you would think a jordan stan would have appreciation for one of the most dominant midrange crunchtime scoring exhibitions of all time.. guess not for you
I'll take yours and Stephen Jackson's word for it. Dirk > more clutch than Michael Jordan.

:applause:

[warriorfan]

Dirk 2011

Tougher Conference, less help, more healthy and better opponents, no commissioner tampering as well

[Nilocon165]

Dirk 2011

Tougher Conference, less help, more healthy and better opponents, no commissioner tampering as well
0/22

[Wade's Rings]

Seriously. Soft jump shooter vs an elite all time attacker off the dribble. Makes no sense. LeBron was getting hammered in game 7 especially.

He averaged 1 less FTA per game than Wade in the 2006 playoffs and was averaging more heading into the Finals. No one cares though when a jump shooting big is getting as much or more Free Throws than one of the best slashers ever.

[aj1987]

Dirk was dropping 45 on 15 shots and having better clutch stats than Jordan. THAT has to seer your soul.
24 FT's on 14 shot attempts for a soft jumpshooting big... :roll:

People criticize Wade taking 25 FT's white attempting 28 FGA's, but fail to recognize how protected Dirk was/is. How many players in the history of the sport have had those figures? I'm guessing 1-2 MAX. **** that. :oldlol:

Also, MJ had over 10x as many clutch shots as Dirk did throughout his career. Not even close.

[tpols]

I'll take yours and Stephen Jackson's word for it. Dirk > more clutch than Michael Jordan.

:applause:


yup.. and I'll just ask Shawn Marion what he thinks.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2632555/marion-call-lebron-bitch-o.gif


:yaohappy:

[tpols]

24 FT's on 14 shot attempts for a soft jumpshooting big... :roll:

People criticize Wade taking 25 FT's white attempting 28 FGA's, but fail to recognize how protected Dirk was/is. How many players in the history of the sport have had those figures? I'm guessing 1-2 MAX. **** that. :oldlol:

Also, MJ had over 10x as many clutch shots as Dirk did throughout his career. Not even close.




Apply eye test for probing, tricking, flopping and baiting.. D-Whistle takes the cake. How do you think he got his nickname?


Wade flopped for calls so much he made Bran one of the worst floppers of all time just by playing next to him. it was just sad though because bran couldnt sell them at all like Dwayne could so he ended up embarrassing himself a lot more.. but ever notice bron hasn't been floppin nearly as much since before and after he was in Miami.. ? it's like wade's acting was contagious.

[Wade's Rings]

24 FT's on 14 shot attempts for a soft jumpshooting big... :roll:

People criticize Wade taking 25 FT's white attempting 28 FGA's, but fail to recognize how protected Dirk was/is. How many players in the history of the sport have had those figures? I'm guessing 1-2 MAX. **** that. :oldlol:

Also, MJ had over 10x as many clutch shots as Dirk did throughout his career. Not even close.

You already know if this was Wade he wouldn't be propping up this game but talking about "D-whistle" instead. :lol

[Wade's Rings]

Apply eye test for probing, tricking, flopping and baiting.. D-Whistle takes the cake. How do you think he got his nickname?


Wade flopped for calls so much he made Bran one of the worst floppers of all time just by playing next to him. it was just sad though because bran couldnt sell them at all like Dwayne could so he ended up embarrassing himself a lot more.. but ever notice bron hasn't been floppin nearly as much since before and after he was in Miami.. ? it's like wade's acting was contagious.

What did I say? We didn't see this coming. :oldlol:

[feyki]

24 FT's on 14 shot attempts for a soft jumpshooting big... :roll:

People criticize Wade taking 25 FT's white attempting 28 FGA's, but fail to recognize how protected Dirk was/is. How many players in the history of the sport have had those figures? I'm guessing 1-2 MAX. **** that. :oldlol:

Also, MJ had over 10x as many clutch shots as Dirk did throughout his career. Not even close.

They did try fouling to him all the time after he made 5-6 shot from mid range in the first period . Looking w/out context and story , classic mindless Wade fan boy :applause: .

[tpols]

They did try fouling to him all the time after he made 5-6 shot from mid range in the first period . Looking w/out context and story , classic mindless Wade fan boy :applause: .

yup.. kept switching defenders on Dirk .. giving all the big guys a run at him, but his over and over scoring was so unstoppable they had to start fouling, nobody could even bother his shot. Wade probing and flopping about the paint is a totally different scenario. Dirk played to put the ball in the hoop first and foremost.

[ArbitraryWater]

These aren't major comebacks. 9 with 10 minutes left is plenty of time to get back in the game, 4pts with 4:30 left? That's 2 buckets to tie or take the lead. :oldlol:

being down 8-9 in the 4th quarter, and winning three of those games in a 2-week stretch, is pretty damn noticeable.... that speaks volumes of the closeness of those series'. Who's saying they are insurmountable?

It speaks to the closeness of it...

but yall acting like its normal is cute... find me one other team with a more heroic comeback run than the '11 Mavericks and margins I just posted.


You should be ashamed. Game 2 of the Finals... during that run...what did Dirk do? iirc... DIRK DIDNT SCORE UNTIL THE GAME WAS CLOSE and You acting like he put his foot down and single handedly led his team to victory.

Dirk scored 9 straight pts to close out the game you dweeb

[Wade's Rings]

being down 8-9 in the 4th quarter, and winning three of those games in a 2-week stretch, is pretty damn noticeable.... that speaks volumes of the closeness of those series'. Who's saying they are insurmountable?

It speaks to the closeness of it...

but yall acting like its normal is cute... find me one other team with a more heroic comeback run than the '11 Mavericks and margins I just posted.

Being down 8-9 and winning is great but those weren't some major comebacks. I'm not really going to waste my time looking for teams that may have had "comebacks" like that.

[aj1987]

Apply eye test for probing, tricking, flopping and baiting.. D-Whistle takes the cake. How do you think he got his nickname?


Wade flopped for calls so much he made Bran one of the worst floppers of all time just by playing next to him. it was just sad though because bran couldnt sell them at all like Dwayne could so he ended up embarrassing himself a lot more.. but ever notice bron hasn't been floppin nearly as much since before and after he was in Miami.. ? it's like wade's acting was contagious.
This coming from a dude who stans a player who literally cries and flails on EVERY drive? :roll:

Do no go down that route, kid. You'll get burnt.

Look at Wade's and Dirk's FT rates in the '06 Finals. A soft jump shooter vs one of the GOAT slashers.


They did try fouling to him all the time after he made 5-6 shot from mid range in the first period . Looking w/out context and story , classic mindless Wade fan boy :applause: .
Watch the '06 Finals ****tard. Most of Wade's points came from shots he MADE and NOT FT's.

Even without FT's Wade averaged 6/3/1/1 on 47% in the 4th Q's. Dirk averaged 4/2/1 on 33% in the 4th Q's.

[Wade's Rings]

This coming from a dude who stans a player who literally cries and flails on EVERY drive? :roll:

Do no go down that route, kid. You'll get burnt.

Look at Wade's and Dirk's FT rates in the '06 Finals. A soft jump shooter vs one of the GOAT slashers.

Tpols hate for Wade blinds any objectivity that he may have. You might as well be arguing with dubeta right now. Dudes a joke.

[tpols]

This coming from a dude who stans a player who literally cries and flails on EVERY drive? :roll:


http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/krabs_rag3do.jpg

that's literally Wade's m.o.



Look at Wade's and Dirk's FT rates in the '06 Finals. A soft jump shooter vs one of the GOAT


ok nice 6 game sample size.. lets compare Dirk's best run to Wade's best run for who shot more free throws

2011 Dirk FTs: 185
2006 Wade FTs: 250


:roll:
night night aj, sleep tight.

[aj1987]

http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_680/krabs_rag3do.jpg

that's literally Wade's m.o.

ok nice 6 game sample size.. lets compare Dirk's best run to Wade's best run for who shot more free throws

2011 Dirk FtR: .47
2006 Wade FtR: .57

So Wade was getting 20+% more FTs than Dirk was peak for peak.
night night aj, sleep tight.
Do you even math, bro? Secondly, do you even watch basketball? Since you're a bit tarded, let me ask you this - AI vs Curry; who deserves more FT's for their games?

BTW, this is literally what Kobe does on almost every play:

https://s32.postimg.org/yfcek798l/kobe.jpg


Not to mention that he can elbow others in the throat and get them ejected. Only Kobe has that luxury.

15 FT's in a G7 of the Finals as well. Kobe's picture can be put next to "carried", "given", "gifted", "overrated", and "undeserved" in the dictionary.

[tpols]

aj, Dwayne Wade took 250 free throws in 2006.

Kobe has never broken 200 in any year. Dirk has never broken 200 in any year.

There's no comparison in who got more ref help.. lol mentioning one game, one series, one photo isnt going to change reality for you or your boy.

now let this thread stay on topic and stop derailing it with bringing up wade and kobe. you have been slayed.

[aj1987]

tpols, Wade is primarily a slasher. Kobe and Dirk are jump shooters. If you can't figure out who deserves more FT's than I literally can't help you.

I can imagine though. Contest isn't something Chokebe stans are actually familiar with. Not to mention they're basically the embodiment of mental illness. :cheers:

Now stick to melting down in 13be related threads. You've been absolutely murdered.

FYI, Dirk took 229 FT's in the '06 PO's.

Chokebe stans... :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

aj, Dwayne Wade took 250 free throws in 2006.

Kobe has never broken 200 in any year. Dirk has never broken 200 in any year.

There's no comparison in who got more ref help.. lol mentioning one game, one series, one photo isnt going to change reality for you or your boy.

now let this thread stay on topic and stop derailing it with bringing up wade and kobe. you have been slayed.

Dirk shot 221 in 2006. Both of those guys don't slash or attack the paint anywhere near as much as Wade.

[tpols]

both of those guys don't slash or attack the paint anywhere near as much as Wade.

Kobe used to attack the rim plenty.. not as good as Wade but still a lot. Point is stars get calls. Wade at his peak got way more calls than Kobe and Dirk.. what more do you want? Wade to get double the calls? triple?


I'm not just hating on wade just to hate on wade.. i'm reciprocating aj's mindset.. "LOL dirk got free throws and he's a jumpshooter".. no.. Dirk is one of the craftiest midrange players of all time with an unstoppable jumpshot that players have to hit him in order to even have a slight chance of bothering the shot.. i'm just using the same dumbed down hate he applied to dirk on wade.. there's two sides to this

[aj1987]

Dirk shot 221 in 2006. Both of those guys don't slash or attack the paint anywhere near as much as Wade.
He took 229, bro.


I see that tpols still doesn't understand how basketball works. Dude, you think Curry should've gotten like 10 FT's a game this season? :roll: :roll:

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe used to attack the rim plenty.. not as good as Wade but still a lot. Point is stars get calls. Wade at his peak got way more calls than Kobe and Dirk.. what more do you want? Wade to get double the calls? triple?


I'm not just hating on wade just to hate on wade.. i'm reciprocating aj's mindset.. "LOL dirk got free throws and he's a jumpshooter".. no.. Dirk is one of the craftiest midrange players of all time with an unstoppable jumpshot that players have to hit him in order to even have a slight chance of bothering the shot.. i'm just using the same dumbed down hate he applied to dirk on wade.. there's two sides to this

I never asked for Wade to get more calls lol.

Your hate for Wade in general makes it hard to take your posts serious.

How is what AJ's doing any different from when you guys just say Wade shot 16FTA per game with no context?

[tpols]

I never asked for Wade to get more calls lol.

Your hate for Wade in general makes it hard to take your posts serious.

How is what AJ's doing any different from when you guys just say Wade shot 16FTA per game with no context?


I didn't bring up Wade or Kobe in this thread though .. I was arguing Bron vs Dirk and thats it. aj's autistic ass came flying out of left field bringing up 2006 and wade and dirk, and then later kobe .. I mean i'm only "hating" to counter his exxagerated take with another exxagerated take.. thats it pretty much. notice how you always call me the hater, but not the poster opposite doing the same thing, and actually having been the one to start it?

[Wade's Rings]

He took 229, bro.


I see that tpols still doesn't understand how basketball works. Dude, you think Curry should've gotten like 10 FT's a game this season? :roll: :roll:

Thanks.

Dirk in '11 and Kobe in '08 both played 21 games, Kobe in '01 played 16 games, if they played 23 like Wade they hit 200.

[Big164]

Player A faced

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Wade
Westbrook
Harden
Lamarcus
Gasol


Player B faced

Curry
Thompson
Green (suspended)
lowry
Iguadola (Injured)
Derozen
Moris
Millsap

[Bigsmoke]

Player A faced

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Wade
Westbrook
Harden
Lamarcus
Gasol


Player B faced

Curry
Thompson
Green (suspended)
lowry
Iguadola (Injured)
Derozen
Moris
Millsap

2016 Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson >>> 2011 James Harden

Pistons would have won more games if they had Tobias Harris from the start.

The thunder was a team full of younging. The mavericks capitalized from their mistakes and outsmarted them for the most part

And didn't wade get hurt in the Finals? That doesn't count but Iggy being hurt does...

[Im Still Ballin]

36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

/thread

[masonanddixon]

2016 Andre Drummond and Reggie Jackson >>> 2011 James Harden

Pistons would have won more games if they had Tobias Harris from the start.

The thunder roster that year wasn't even that impressive other than Durant and Westbrook and they were youngings back then.

And didn't wade get hurt in the Finals? That doesn't count but Iggy being hurt does...

lol they managed to make it to the WCF and were a 4 seed; thats pretty good for an 'unimpressive' squad.

You mean DIRK played with a torn tendon in a finger and a sinus infection over 100F...lol...that even further proves how much more impressive Dirk was than lebron.

[Bigsmoke]

lol they managed to make it to the WCF and were a 4 seed; thats pretty good for an 'unimpressive' squad.

You mean DIRK played with a torn tendon in a finger and a sinus infection over 100F...lol...that even further proves how much more impressive Dirk was than lebron.

And he shot 42% in the Finals:oldlol:

They were supposed to beat the Blazers, they defeated a Lakers team that was struggling with the Hornets the previous round, and a super young thunder team with Harden still just a quality bench player and not some superstar y'all dirk dickriders trying to exaggerate.


Lebron's run > Dirk's

leBron > Dirk

Get over it

[masonanddixon]

And he shot 42% in the Finals:oldlol:

They were supposed to beat the Blazers, they defeated a Lakers team that was struggling with the Hornets the previous round, and a super young thunder team with Harden still just a quality bench player and not some superstar y'all dirk dickriders trying to exaggerate.


Lebron's run > Dirk's

leBron > Dirk

Get over it

lol vs beating a young Drummond (who was never that good anyways), a shell of a Hawks squad, a thoroughly medicore Raptors squad, and an exposed GS team that should've lost to OKC and had an injured Curry, MISSING BOGUT, Green suspension, and an injured Iguodola.

Get real, Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron

[Bigsmoke]

lol vs beating a young Drummond (who was never that good anyways), a shell of a Hawks squad, a thoroughly medicore Raptors squad, and an exposed GS team that should've lost to OKC and had an injured Curry, MISSING BOGUT, Green suspension, and an injured Iguodola.

Get real, Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>lebron

Green took himself out of the game. Why is that an excuse to downplay lebron's heroics? He was out there in games 6 and 7 wasn't he?:biggums:

If u really think Dirk is better than LeBron then I'm going to stop replying to your post and just pray for you because you really need help.

[masonanddixon]

Green took himself out of the game. Why is that an excuse to downplay lebron's heroics? He was out there in games 6 and 7 wasn't he?:biggums:

If u really think Dirk is better than LeBron then I'm going to stop replying to your post and just pray for you because you really need help.

lol what heroics? Irving is the one that hit the gamewinner and Love played HUGE defense on Curry. Yeah lebron made some shots but to act like it was a one man heroic effort like Dirk in 2011 just proves that you're a know-nothing about the sport.

lebron joined two other superstars in their prime and they played like superstars all postseason. Nothing lebron did was impressive, he just did what he should've done from the beginning. And he was trash the first two games of the Finals. Funny thing is all these 12 year olds on ISH are trying to hype it up as some all time accomplishment when the FACT is that Vegas had Cleveland as the highest odds to win it all prior to the postseason, LMFAO---this just shows how stupid his fanbois are.

Only the most deluded of the deluded would consider his run to be in the same ballpark as Dirk's 2011 run.

[Duncan21formvp]

Dirk was far better. Dirk beat healthy teams and didn't need suspensions or starters to miss games when down in the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk was far better. Dirk beat healthy teams and didn't need suspensions or starters to miss games when down in the series.
That's not true, LeBron missed the entire Finals

[kawhileonard2]

Dirk.

[dankok8]

The Mavs definitely overachieved more as a team winning three straight difficult series. The Cavs weren't heavy underdogs in the 2016 Finals contrary to popular belief. But still Lebron is miles better as a player compared to Dirk and had a more impressive playoff run individually. Dirk just isn't that caliber.

[kawhileonard2]

Dirk also didn't have to switch teams nor join multiple stars.

[TheCorporation]

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[Spurs m8]

Dirk beat a big 3 with some role players.

LeBron beat a big 3 with a big 3 lmfao

(Even got one of their big 3 suspended for a pivotal game)

And a 1b who averaged nearly 30ppg for the series...and hit that huge shot...plus the bigger shots all series.

His stans make out like it was the biggest win ever, like the decks weren't equally stacked lmao

Durant made the decks less equally stacked...now THAT would have been impressive...but he went down 1-8 against that team...embarrassing

Just goes to show what a hype job 2016 was...like everything manufactured with this clown

[kawhileonard2]

Also Dirk beat a team with 3 stars and didn't need to try to get someone suspended. He wanted them full strength and he beat them.

[Airupthere]

Why, what happened to 2011 lebron?

[Spurs m8]

Dirk beat a big 3 with some role players.

LeBron beat a big 3 with a big 3 lmfao

(Even got one of their big 3 suspended for a pivotal game)

And a 1b who averaged nearly 30ppg for the series...and hit that huge shot...plus the bigger shots all series.

His stans make out like it was the biggest win ever, like the decks weren't equally stacked lmao

Durant made the decks less equally stacked...now THAT would have been impressive...but he went down 1-8 against that team...embarrassing

Just goes to show what a hype job 2016 was...like everything manufactured with this clown

Guys?

The corporation?

Anyone?

:confusedshrug:

[Full Court]

Guys?

The corporation?

Anyone?

:confusedshrug:

:lol


Dirk all day, every day.