36.3 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 9.7 apg, 3.0 spg, 3.0 bpg, 50.6 FG%

[Im Still Ballin]

Who?

[KirbyPls]

Smells kinda GOATish to me.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LeBron James after his team went down 3-1.

[Nilocon165]

I don't even watch basketball, but whoever's stats those are is the GOAT

[supermechasonic]

LeJesus?

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron James after his team went down 3-1.
Oh, cool. A 3-1 comeback... Pretty special, but it's been done before. What round was this in? Who was it against?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Oh, cool. A 3-1 comeback... Pretty special, but it's been done before. What round was this in? Who was it against?
In the NBA Finals against the 73-win most stacked team ever in the Golden State Warriors.

[Im Still Ballin]

In the NBA Finals against the 73-win most stacked team ever in the Golden State Warriors.
Are... Are you serious? Holy ****ing shit. Jesus ****ing CHRIST.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[sejoon101]

:roll: :roll: :roll: u nikkas are too much

[Keno]

basically, 40/12/10/5/5 averages. :wtf: unbelievable, goat.

[Lebronxrings]

all of kobes final stats put together?

[3ball]

I don't even watch basketball, but whoever's stats those are is the GOAT


47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.

[masonanddixon]

Sounds like stats for someone on a stacked team who dominates the ball.

[DoctorP]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.

Boom.

[Cleverness]

I don't believe those stats.. only way those are even possible is if the other team has injuries and/or suspensions

:D

[Cleverness]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.

Jesus. But were any of the players on the Suns injured or suspended?

[3ball]

Jesus. But were any of the players on the Suns injured or suspended?



No, none was suspended or injured - the budding superstar wing Richard Dumas (below), all-nba defender Majerle, and KJ all took their turns on Jordan, who faced constant double-teaming.


http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-16-2015/ie68e9.gif

[NBAGOAT]

Jesus. But were any of the players on the Suns injured or suspended?

ceballos was injured.

[FireDavidKahn]

I don't believe those stats.. only way those are even possible is if the other team has injuries and/or suspensions

:D
LeBron was playing with a broken wrist...

[Cleverness]

No, none was suspended or injured - the budding superstar wing Richard Dumas (below), all-nba defender Majerle, and KJ all took their turns on Jordan, who faced constant double-teaming.


http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-16-2015/ie68e9.gif

Jordan makes Majerle look super slow with his quick first step.



LeBron was playing with a broken wrist...

I heard he played with a broken elbow in 2010 too. And he recently played through severe life-threatening cramps. :bowdown:

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/LBJ-cramps-619-306x346-265x300.jpg

[bond10]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.

Damn, this pretty much killed the OP.

[Human Error]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.
To be fair, MJ never faced a team which is more stacked than the current Warriors. 93 Suns are the closest but 93 Suns would be lucky to steal 1 game from the Warriors.

[3ball]

To be fair, MJ never faced a team which is more stacked than the current Warriors. 93 Suns are the closest but 93 Suns would be lucky to steal 1 game from the Warriors.
that's your opinion, based on nothing.

The Warriors were almost beat by OKC, and were beat by the Cavs.. They'd get beat by the Suns too, who were more stacked and more physical than both.

The Warriors' style doesn't translate to the playoffs that well - that's why they were 73-9 in regular season, and 15-9 in playoffs.

[Human Error]

that's your opinion, based on nothing.

The Warriors were almost beat by OKC, and were beat by the Cavs.. They'd get beat by the Suns too, who were more stacked and more physical than both.

The Warriors' style doesn't translate to the playoffs that well - that's why they were 73-9 in regular season, and 15-9 in playoffs.
Lol they were a champion not too long ago. They weren't able to overcome Lebron's all around brilliance, but saying like they are sh!t and they have no shot at NBA title is just very idiotic. Almost beat by the Thunder? OKC is no joke, they beat the Spurs who were one of the greatest regular season teams as well.

[3ball]

Lol they were a champion not too long ago.


the BOSS kyrie was hurt in 2015 Finals.

if he was healthy, Golden State wouldn't even be champs - so yeah, thanks - that bolsters the Suns' case - they destroy the Warriors..

[K.dot ShowTime]

3ball is god

[Gileraracer]

basically, 40/12/10/5/5 averages. :wtf: unbelievable, goat.

Yeah, if you round up everything by 40% :roll:

[Keno]

Yeah, if you round up everything by 40% :roll:

did you fail grade 3 math? or what. how would you round those numbers then?

[Human Error]

No, none was suspended or injured - the budding superstar wing Richard Dumas (below), all-nba defender Majerle, and KJ all took their turns on Jordan, who faced constant double-teaming.
:oldlol: :facepalm

[Mr Feeny]

Damn, this pretty much killed the OP.

I don't think so. Jordan's stats were slightly better but Lebron's aren't far off.
And keep in mind that Lebron's 3 game stretch was to bring his team BACK from a 3-1 finals deficit. They were all elimination games.:oldlol:

[IllegalD]

did you fail grade 3 math? or what. how would you round those numbers then?


36.3 rounds down to 36, retard, not up to 40. So insecure that you need to make sh*t up in order to try to make LeBron look better because 3-ball has taken a giant sh*t on your soul. :lol

:lebroncry: :yaohappy:

[Dray n Klay]

36.3 rounds down to 36, retard, not up to 40. So insecure that you need to make sh*t up in order to try to make LeBron look better because 3-ball has taken a giant sh*t on your soul. :lol



:hammertime:
:hammertime: :hammertime:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Rounding points to the nearest 50, rebounds to the nearest 20, assists to the nearest 1, blocks and steals to the nearest 5 gives:

50/20/10/5/5

Simply LeGendary.

[DirkNowitzki41]

In the NBA Finals against the 73-win most stacked team ever in the Golden State Warriors.

Boom.

[SexSymbol]

The first page of this thread is the most cringe worthy stuff this forum has ever put.
One guy literally asking and answering his own questions

[Mr Feeny]

Those are staggering numbers:oldlol:

Wow. Just wow:oldlol:

LeBron is truly supreme in the post-jordan era.
Those are all ELIMINATION game numbners:roll:

The guy is unreal:bowdown:

[Paul George 24]

Who?

http://n2.hk/d/attachments/day_160625/20160625_e81e1ee0348904470999fawNEWfJYycX.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

That is LEBRON JAMES, after his team goes down 1-3.

EPIC

[Replay32]

ceballos was injured.


This

[Trollsmasher]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.
against the Suns, a team that wouldn't make the playoffs this year:lol

[Mr Feeny]

against the Suns, a team that wouldn't make the playoffs this year:lol

And 9 year old pretending he knows bball :oldlol:

[3ball]

I don't think so. Jordan's stats were slightly better but Lebron's aren't far off.
And keep in mind that Lebron's 3 game stretch was to bring his team BACK from a 3-1 finals deficit. They were all elimination games.


If Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.

And Jordan's stats from Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals (47/10/6 on 50%) were the best ever for a 3-game period, just like the rest of his career Finals stats, which blow everyone's away.
.

[ImKobe]

I don't even watch basketball, but whoever's stats those are is the GOAT

Shaq 2000 Finals

38/17 61%FG

Shaq 2001 Finals

33/16/5 57%FG

Shaq 2002 Finals

36/12/4 60%FG

I guess Shaq is the GOAT then.

[Im Still Ballin]

Shaq 2000 Finals

38/17 61%FG

Shaq 2001 Finals

33/16/5 57%FG

Shaq 2002 Finals

36/12/4 60%FG

I guess Shaq is the GOAT then.
LeBron 2016 Finals Average: 30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49% (5 three pointers attempted)

LeGOAT James!

[PJR]

Jesus. But were any of the players on the Suns injured or suspended?

No, that PHX team just sucked defensively.

[Mr Feeny]

Shaq 2000 Finals

38/17 61%FG

Shaq 2001 Finals

33/16/5 57%FG

Shaq 2002 Finals

36/12/4 60%FG

I guess Shaq is the GOAT then.

Lebron is even better over the 3 game stretch but you're right. They're both top 10 players (lebron top 2)
Kobe can stay at 12th :lebronamazed:

[inclinerator]

1993 suns were the worst defensive team of all time

[kurple]

basically, 40/12/10/5/5 averages. :wtf: unbelievable, goat.
What about the first 4 games tho? Why don't they count in his averages?

[ArbitraryWater]

What about the first 4 games tho? Why don't they count in his averages?

these are elimination games bro, big league

[JebronLames]

these are elimination games bro, big league
:roll: :roll: slayed

[3ball]

Shaq 2000 Finals

38/17 61%FG

Shaq 2001 Finals

33/16/5 57%FG

Shaq 2002 Finals

36/12/4 60%FG

I guess Shaq is the GOAT then.


Jordan's 1991-1993 versus Shaq's 2000-2002:


Rebounds/Assists cancel out... So do Steals/Blocks and FG/FT%.



REGULAR SEASON

MJ:... 31.4 ppg.. 58.2% ts.. 122 ORtg.. 0.288 WS/48.. 3 All-Defense 1st Team.. 2 MVP
Shaq: 28.6 ppg.. 58.0% ts.. 115 ORtg.. 0.264 WS/48.. 2 All-Defense 2nd Team.. 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS

MJ:... 33.7 ppg.. 57.2% ts.. 120 ORtg.. 0.267 WS/48
Shaq: 29.9 ppg.. 56.2% ts.. 113 ORtg.. 0.238 WS/48


FINALS

MJ:... 36.3 ppg.. 52.6% fg.. 84.3% ft.. played. #5, #3, #9 defenses.. beat Magic-Drexler-Barkley
Shaq: 35.9 ppg.. 59.5% fg.. 50.6% ft.. played #13, #5, #1 defenses.. beat Miller-Iverson-Kidd



The relevant stats are shown above and MJ beats Shaq ACROSS THE BOARD


http://i.imgur.com/LXkZUhv.gif.

[NBAGOAT]

Jordan's 1991-1993 versus Shaq's 2000-2002:


Rebounds/Assists cancel out... So do Steals/Blocks and FG/FT%.



REGULAR SEASON

MJ:... 31.4 ppg.. 58.2% ts.. 122 ORtg.. 0.288 WS/48.. 3 All-Defense 1st Team.. 2 MVP
Shaq: 28.6 ppg.. 58.0% ts.. 115 ORtg.. 0.264 WS/48.. 2 All-Defense 2nd Team.. 1 MVP


PLAYOFFS

MJ:... 33.7 ppg.. 57.2% ts.. 120 ORtg.. 0.267 WS/48
Shaq: 29.9 ppg.. 56.2% ts.. 113 ORtg.. 0.238 WS/48


FINALS

MJ:... 36.3 ppg.. 52.6% fg.. 84.3% ft.. played. #5, #3, #9 defenses.. beat Magic-Drexler-Barkley
Shaq: 35.9 ppg.. 59.5% fg.. 50.6% ft.. played #13, #5, #1 defenses.. beat Miller-Iverson-Kidd



The relevant stats are shown above and MJ beats Shaq ACROSS THE BOARD


http://i.imgur.com/LXkZUhv.gif.

As I always said, Shaq was more important on defense for the Lakers in 00 than MJ was for the Bulls any year just by being the rim protector. Spare me the "his defense gets canceled out by opposing centers" bs argument. You could literally use that shit argument to argue MJ is more important than Hakeem on defense too because he was playing in a league with Drob, Ewing and MUtombo. Also list the TS% at least for the Finals even if I think MJ might be higher still.

[3ball]

As I always said, Shaq was more important on defense for the Lakers in 00 than MJ was for the Bulls any year just by being the rim protector. Spare me the "his defense gets canceled out by opposing centers" bs argument.

You could literally use that shit argument to argue MJ is more important than Hakeem on defense too because he was playing in a league with Drob, Ewing and MUtombo. Also list the TS% at least for the Finals even if I think MJ might be higher still.


bro, the "cancels out" argument is completely valid and WORKS with what you just said.

2000 was Shaq's only top flight defensive year, and his impact was cancelled out less often by the opposing center than other years.. He definitely provided his team with a greater advantage in defensive impact over his matchup in 2000, than Jordan did over his in most years.

In Hakeem's case, he has a greater edge on the average center than Jordan does on the average guard.. It all makes sense brah - here's a brief synopsis to refresh your memory:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12343906&postcount=21


Here's the long version:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397174

[KiiiiNG]

Bulls before Jordan left: 57 wins + championship

Bulls after Jordan left: 55 wins + almost championship




Cavs before LeBron left: 61 wins + almost championship

Cavs after LeBron left: 19 wins + number 1 lottery pick



Pretty cut and dry who has more impact. LeBron's championships hold more weight than Jordans as the Bulls were literally almost as good WITHOUT him. Fact.

[NBAGOAT]

bro, the "cancels out" argument is completely valid and WORKS with what you just said.

2000 was Shaq's only top flight defensive year, and his impact was cancelled out less often by the opposing center than other years.. He definitely provided his team with a greater advantage in defensive impact over his matchup in 2000, than Jordan did over his in most years.

In Hakeem's case, he has a greater edge on the average center than Jordan does on the average guard.. It all makes sense brah - here's a brief synopsis to refresh your memory:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12343906&postcount=21


Here's the long version:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397174

I've never argued Shaq over Jordan for careers. Just Shaq in 00 has a case over peak MJ.

[Just2McFly]

47/10/6 on 50%

(Games 2-4 of 1993 Finals)

that is all

oh, except that if Lebron averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, he wouldn't need to go 7 games - and that's what Jordan did - he averaged 36/7/8 on 53% for the entire 1991-1993 Finals, which is why he never needed a 7th game.
this n*gga was getting guarded by KJ/ thunder dan and f*cking tom chambers...:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

you guys act like he lit up a great defensive team... the suns were one of the worst defensive squads and had no rim protection. im tired of jordan stans sucking his d*ck without using context..

Instead Lebron has to go against a team with wing defenders like Klay Thompson, Iggy, Barnes and go to rim against Bogut/Green and co...

That's a completely different thing.

Like n*ggas shot 48% percent against the suns from the field and wasn't defending shit...meanwhile MJ the GAWD stuggled to shoot 40 percent against the Knicks, he should be kissing Pippen's feet for them even getting into the finals.

[3ball]

Bulls before Jordan left: 57 wins + championship

Bulls after Jordan left: 55 wins + almost championship


The 1993 Bulls were half-assing the regular season to save energy for the 3-peat playoff run - that's why they only won 57 games, but then defeated two 60-win teams in the playoffs (knicks, suns).

Otoh, some teams are abnormally motivated to play harder than everyone else in the regular season - we saw that with the Warriors' pursuit of 73 wins this year and the 1994 Bulls' every-possession effort to prove themselves.

But the playoffs reveals the truth, because EVERYONE is playing hard in the playoffs, and the game-planning is ridiculously greater due to consecutive games against the same team.

So when the truth was revealed in the playoffs, we saw that the Bulls had cratered from a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team.






Cavs before LeBron left: 61 wins + almost championship

Cavs after LeBron left: 19 wins + number 1 draft pick


So you prefer to acknowledge the Cavs losing Lebron's 30 ppg, but ignore the Cavs losing 50 ppg (half their points) from the loss of Shaq, Delonte, Zydrunas, Varejao and Mo Williams??

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

Bulls before Jordan left: 57 wins + championship

Bulls after Jordan left: 55 wins + almost championship




Cavs before LeBron left: 61 wins + almost championship

Cavs after LeBron left: 19 wins + number 1 lottery pick



Pretty cut and dry who has more impact. LeBron's championships hold more weight than Jordans as the Bulls were literally almost as good WITHOUT him. Fact.
this

Jordan - low impact player

[ArbitraryWater]

The 1993 Bulls were half-assing the regular season to save energy for the 3-peat playoff run - that's why they only won 57 games, but then defeated two 60-win teams in the playoffs (knicks, suns).

Otoh, some teams are abnormally motivated to play harder than everyone else in the regular season - we saw that with the Warriors' pursuit of 73 wins this year and the 1994 Bulls' every-possession effort to prove themselves.

But the playoffs reveals the truth, because EVERYONE is playing hard in the playoffs, and the game-planning is ridiculously greater due to consecutive games against the same team.

So when the truth was revealed in the playoffs, we saw that the Bulls had cratered from a 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team.




So you prefer to acknowledge the Cavs losing Lebron's 30 ppg, but ignore the Cavs losing 50 ppg (half their points) from the loss of Shaq, Delonte, Zydrunas, Varejao and Mo Williams??

:rolleyes: :facepalm

:roll: you tryna tell me they missed guys who barely played more games before career end of always sat on the bench (Varejao, Mo)? :lol

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

this n*gga was getting guarded by KJ/ thunder dan and f*cking tom chambers



Majerle was an all-NBA defenders and you forgot Richard Dumas, who was an athletic wing and rising star.:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-16-2015/ie68e9.gif



Go watch Jordan's 55 point game highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dwcaYkGTTE) - he starts the game by hitting several shots on Dumas, and starts the 3rd quarter the same way..





you guys act like he lit up a great defensive team


Jordan lit up the Suns the way Lebron should've lit up the 2011 Mavericks, who had the same regular season defensive ranking as the Suns and worse athletes to guard Lebron (old Shawn Marion, Barea, Terry).





the suns were one of the worst defensive squads and had no rim protection.



Lebron didn't face any rim protection like what Jordan faced - Lebron faces a wide open paint on every possession because he has teammates shooting 3-pointers to draw defenders out of the paint:


https://media.giphy.com/media/SBoU7XAFaW4nK/giphy.gif



Otoh, Jordan faced a packed paint because he didn't have nearly as many 3-point shooting teammates and paint-camping was legal:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/8-30-2015/B_wITa.gif






Meanwhile, Jordan shot 40% against the Knicks and should be kissing Pippen's feet for getting him to the Finals



Don't listen to Elosha - Jordan led the Bulls in pts, assists, steals and blocks, and basically tied in rebounds, while Pippen had 24 turnovers to Jordan's 14, which caused him to have significantly lower efficiency per-possession (ortg):



JORDAN 1993 ECF:. 32.2 ppg.. 6.2 rpg.. 7.0 apg.. 2.3 tov.. 2.5 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 52.2 ts.. 113 ORtg
PIPPENI 1993 ECF:. 22.5 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 4.0 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.5 bpg.. 57.3 ts.. 104 ORtg



Jordan was MVP of the series, easily... Btw, he dropped 55 in the series-tying Game 4, and then had a triple double (29/10/14) in the go-ahead Game 5..

[3ball]

Jordan - low impact player



GOAT impact on LOTTERY team



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.

Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991* - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.



GOAT impact on DECENT team



The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team without Jordan.. If we wanted to CONFIRM his 3-peat to 2nd Round impact, we'd ask him to come back and 3-peat again.. Done and done



* It should be noted that the Bulls would've won their first championship in 1990 if Pippen hadn't choked with 1-10 and 2 points in Game 7 of ECF (he admitted he choked due to the pressure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqC74bv46Z8&t=1h22m15s))... The Bulls would've beaten the Blazers, since the Pistons beat them in 5 easy games, but needed 7 games and Pippen choke to beat the Bulls.. The Pistons had massive margins in ORtg vs. the Blazers, but razor-thin margins vs. the Bulls.. Pippen's choke prevented Jordan from leading that 1989 lottery roster to a ring just 1 year later - he had to wait until 1991

[Hey Yo]

GOAT impact on LOTTERY team



In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.

Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989, to a 3-peat beginning in 1991* - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.



GOAT impact on DECENT team



The Bulls fell from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team without Jordan.. If we wanted to CONFIRM his 3-peat to 2nd Round impact, we'd ask him to come back and 3-peat again. Done and done
But Jordan came back the year after and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round again....this time to Orlando.

[3ball]

But Jordan came back the year after and the Bulls lost in the 2nd round again....this time to Orlando.


We're talking full seasons, not the last 17 games.

In his first full season back, he began another 3-peat... Just like that

But for you, the two, once-in-a-generation three-peats are COINCIDENCES, not a function of the goat retiring and coming back.. :rolleyes:..:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

We're talking full seasons, not the last 17 games.

In his first full season back, he began another 3-peat... Just like that

But for you, the two, once-in-a-generation three-peats are COINCIDENCES, not a function of the goat retiring and coming back.. :rolleyes:..:facepalm
So MJ wouldn't have gotten a ring if Chicago won it all in 1995?

He'd still be at 6 rings while Scottie would have 7?