How many players can turn 33 win teams into champions?

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron




Who else?

[QuebecBaller]

They only add him to the 33 win team right?

[COnDEMnED]

The ones in the top 10 listed above Bron.

[SouBeachTalents]

Both Kareem & Bird turned around terrible teams into champions in 2 years as well

1969 Bucks: 27 wins
1970: Kareem drafted
1971: Champs

1979 Celtics: 29 wins
1980: Bird drafted
1981: Champs

[nightprowler10]

Wasn't it something similar for Russel as well?

[ArbitraryWater]

Both Kareem & Bird turned around terrible teams into champions in 2 years as well

1969 Bucks: 27 wins
1970: Kareem drafted
1971: Champs

1979 Celtics: 29 wins
1980: Bird drafted
1981: Champs

I cant really believe how they won that title with Sophomore Bird and apparently not many other changes (even if its the same players, just getting better), with Bird dropping consecutive 8 pt games in the finals n what not.. Lakers fcked up that year

[Hey Yo]

Both Kareem & Bird turned around terrible teams into champions in 2 years as well

1969 Bucks: 27 wins
1970: Kareem drafted
1971: Champs

1979 Celtics: 29 wins
1980: Bird drafted
1981: Champs
Bird was drafted in 1978, but didn't play his first game for Boston until the 79-80 season.

just saying....

[NBAGOAT]

2 best examples of this and why they got big mvp consideration or even won MVP even if they weren't really the best player in the league are Nash and Kidd.

2001 Nets: 26 wins
2002 Nets: 52 wins

2004 Suns: 29 wins
2005 Suns: 62 wins

[ArbitraryWater]

2 best examples of this and why they got big mvp consideration or even won MVP even if they weren't really the best player in the league are Nash and Kidd.

2001 Nets: 26 wins
2002 Nets: 52 wins

2004 Suns: 29 wins
2005 Suns: 62 wins

True, but Stoudemire played 25 more games from '04 to '05, and they added Richardson who averaged 15/6 and made three 3s per game... so that helped a lot.

I'm sure there were some changes on the Nets besides Kidd, too.

[NBAGOAT]

True, but Stoudemire played 25 more games from '04 to '05, and they added Richardson who averaged 15/6 and made three 3s per game... so that helped a lot.

I'm sure there were some changes on the Nets besides Kidd, too.

yep I agree. For the Nets Kittles came back from injury, they drafted RJ, and kenyon got better. Still, the narrative was enough to get them real MVP consideration(not saying they weren't great either ofc).

[GrapeApe]

Duncan turned a 20 win team into a 57 win team in his first season and champions in his second.

[tpols]

yep I agree. For the Nets Kittles came back from injury, they drafted RJ, and kenyon got better. Still, the narrative was enough to get them real MVP consideration(not saying they weren't great either ofc).

J-Kidd transformed the culture much like bron did.. except he had nowhere near the pieces.. kyrie alone wouldve been a god send on those Nets teams as direct, individual scoring was their biggest weakness. And Bron has always been a bigger jason kidd anyway.

[Dray n Klay]

Duncan turned a 20 win team into a 57 win team in his first season and champions in his second.


No, David Robinson came back from injury :no:

[FireDavidKahn]

Better rephrase this OP, how many people can turn a 33 win team into a championship team while crushing the best regular season team of all time without homecourt advantage while being down 3-1 within 2 years of returning?

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan turned a 20 win team into a 57 win team in his first season and champions in his second.

That was really a fluke season though, Robinson played in 6 games all year, and the Spurs had made the playoffs 7 years in a row before that season

[scuzzy]

Shaq took a couple years but turned Orlando into elite but not champions

No one can carry a team like Lebron

[FireDavidKahn]

Shaq took a couple years but turned Orlando into elite
"Champions"

[ArbitraryWater]

SexSymbol is the same guy who was here in 2015 sayinh CLE would lose to Chicago, Washington, and Toronto.. and after they're all dusted, suddenly CLE was favorites.... dude is the most mindfcked, dumbest mothercker Ive ever met on an internet forum.

[Meticode]

Kevin Garnett.

The Boston Celtics in the 2006-2007 season won 24 games. Then they acquired Kevin Garnett and won 66 games and won the NBA title. And don't even bring up these Ray Allen bullshit. LeBron wasn't the only person to go to the Cavs. They traded for Love, traded away Waiters and got J.R., Iman and Mozgov.

[GrapeApe]

No, David Robinson came back from injury :no:

Hmm, who averaged 23/12 with 3 bpg in the playoffs? Who was the FMVP?

[NBAGOAT]

J-Kidd transformed the culture much like bron did.. except he had nowhere near the pieces.. kyrie alone wouldve been a god send on those Nets teams as direct, individual scoring was their biggest weakness. And Bron has always been a bigger jason kidd anyway.

not denying Jason Kidd made everyone better(like Kenyon for example). Just not really sure he was better than guys like Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe.

[scuzzy]

Kevin Garnett.

The Boston Celtics in the 2006-2007 season won 24 games. Then they acquired Kevin Garnett and won 66 games and won the NBA title. And don't even bring up these Ray Allen bullshit. LeBron wasn't the only person to go to the Cavs. They traded for Love, traded away Waiters and got J.R., Iman and Mozgov.
Honest question

Right now, Would you trade 2016 Love for 2007 Ray Allen?

[Meticode]

Honest question

Right now, Would you trade 2016 Love for 2007 Ray Allen?
Nope.

[ArbitraryWater]

Honest question

Right now, Would you trade 2016 Love for 2007 Ray Allen?

probably yea

Ray isnt a weakness against any team lol

and a legit all star

[ArbitraryWater]

Duncan turned a 20 win team into a 57 win team in his first season and champions in his second.

no he didnt.. Robinson sat the previous season out, they routinely won 57 games with him before that.. :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

While Lebron deserves everything he gets for winning the title.

Please stop with this narrative. The team didn't have Love and had a bunch of young guys not quite ready.

The grew a lot over the last 2 years.

Also, that 33 win team didn't have;

Love
Frye
Smith
Shumpert
Jefferson

And had much worse versions of Kyrie, Thompson, and Delly...

Like...not even remotely the same teams.

[ArbitraryWater]

While Lebron deserves everything he gets for winning the title.

Please stop with this narrative. The team didn't have Love and had a bunch of young guys not quite ready.

The grew a lot over the last 2 years.

Also, that 33 win team didn't have;

Love
Frye
Smith
Shumpert
Jefferson

And had much worse versions of Kyrie, Thompson, and Delly...

Like...not even remotely the same teams.

Shumpert, Frye and Jefferson are after thoughts everywhere else... just be real about it. Take the '14 team and they will become equally good contributors under LeBron ball. Those arent big names, man.

[tpols]

not denying Jason Kidd made everyone better(like Kenyon for example). Just not really sure he was better than guys like Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe.

Kidd wasn't individually as good as them, but possessed intangibles none of them had (except duncan) that elevated the team far beyond the sum of their parts. Just wish Kidd could've had a 30 ppg iso scorer to lean on, and didn't have to face peak shaq w/ a healthy team.

I could see the early 00s Nets with Kyrie at SG beating a broken down warrior team in 7 as well.

[DMAVS41]

Shumpert, Frye and Jefferson are after thoughts everywhere else... just be real about it. Take the '14 team and they will become equally good contributors under LeBron ball. Those arent big names, man.

I'm not denying what Lebron can do.

And even if I agree that those guys don't matter...which I don't...you can't ignore that Love was added....and Kyrie and Thompson grew as players over the 2 years.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not denying what Lebron can do.

And even if I agree that those guys don't matter...which I don't...you can't ignore that Love was added....and Kyrie and Thompson grew as players over the 2 years.

true, but any team that makes such a giant leap will have some players naturally progress... any team. Its not written anywhere, but it just happens, age and winning culture... the structure is mainly set up by LeBron, hes the main influence and constant. I dont think this team is doing too good if he'd hypothetically leave this year, they need him in there. He doesnt just lead the stats categories, hes also the glue guy... they look good next to him.

Guys like Thompson would look alot worse, Id argue.

[Gileraracer]

Lebron cause he usually gets 2 other superstars to join the team with him

[K.dot ShowTime]

Kevin Love

[LeFraud James]

They had the highest payroll in the league you agenda driven idiot.

The only reason they had 33 wins the previous season in the first place was because LeBron left the team in shambles when he left for Miami.

[feyki]

http://i.hizliresim.com/AJG15L.jpg

[retaxis]

They had the highest payroll in the league you agenda driven idiot.

The only reason they had 33 wins the previous season in the first place was because LeBron left the team in shambles when he left for Miami.
Your an idiot troll. Lebron left the team and they received 3 number 1 picks along with all the opportunities in the world. They were doing well which was why they had the parts to trade and bring Lebron back.

[3ball]

LeBron




Who else?
Kevin Love was 2nd team All-NBA in 2014 - he was added to the Cavs roster in 2015, along with Mosgov, JR Smith, and others.

LOL at lebron fans who want to believe the Cavs only added Lebron to the team.. The Cavs added TWO all-nba players in 2015, not just one

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kevin Love did it this year of course.
:applause: