30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49%

[Im Still Ballin]

Guess who

[Nilocon165]

I'v never watched sports before but that's the GOAT statline

[NBAGOAT]

scalabrine's stats in 1 quarter.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I have no idea who put up those numbers but if it was in the Finals against a 73 win team while coming back from down 3-1 then whoever did is top 2 all time minimum.

[Im Still Ballin]

I have no idea who put up those numbers but if it was in the Finals against a 73 win team while coming back from down 3-1 then whoever did is top 2 all time minimum.
Wow. That scenario would be almost impossible. Couldn't be done. It would have taken one hell of a GOAT level player to do something like that. Something never done before. Wow!

[scuzzy]

That stat line is impossible


No one can average that against a 73 win team



Mods?

[Trollsmasher]

just imagine someone actually doing that

i can't even conceive a player capable fo such things

[inclinerator]

ur 2k stats?

[Cleverness]

That stat line is impossible


No one can average that against a 73 win team



Mods?

It's possible if the other team is injured, suspended, and you utilize garbage time to score layups!

[Nash]

that stat line is fake.

maybe in 2k

[warriorfan]

It's possible if the other team is injured, suspended, and you utilize garbage time to score layups!

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2906986/kg-2000-dunk-contest-reaction-o.gif

Don't forget hogging the uncontested defensive rebounds

[Bankaii]

Don't forget hogging the uncontested defensive rebounds
Last 6 minutes in the biggest game of his career: 0-5, 0 points, turnover:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Last 6 minutes in the biggest game of his career: 0-5, 0 points, turnover:roll:

And this

http://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2016/sports2/06/21/kyrie_062116.jpg

[Cleverness]

And this



Ron Adams already knows it's goin' in :cry:

[Bankaii]

And this

http://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2016/sports2/06/21/kyrie_062116.jpg
I can't believe I left out the psychological, physical, and emotional damage all from just that one shot.
Not to mention what Kyrie did to him all series:bowdown:

[Gileraracer]

How many TOs?

[3ball]

I much prefer Jordan's 36/7/8 on 53% in the 1991-1993 Finals, since Jordan accounted for way more of his team's points.

Who cares about the 4 less rebounds - let some unskilled stiff grab those - that makes the unskilled player more productive with better value on the court anyway.. But Lebron doesn't allow this, and this is the type of suboptimal chemistry that has been his downfall, even though he eeked it out this year.

Of course, if we compare CAREER Finals and playoff stats, it isn't close - Jordan averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist, (despite playing off-ball more to foster better chemistry).

[IGOTGAME]

I much prefer Jordan's 36/7/8 on 53% in the 1991-1993 Finals, since Jordan accounted for way more of his team's points.

Who cares about the 4 less rebounds - let some unskilled stiff grab those - that makes the unskilled player more productive with better value on the court anyway.. But Lebron doesn't allow this, and this is the type of suboptimal chemistry that has been his downfall, even though he eeked it out this year.

Of course, if we compare CAREER Finals and playoff stats, it isn't close - Jordan averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist, (despite playing off-ball more to foster better chemistry).

gotta factor in defense....that is where Lebron gets the edge

[plowking]

I much prefer Jordan's 36/7/8 on 53% in the 1991-1993 Finals, since Jordan accounted for way more of his team's points.

Who cares about the 4 less rebounds - let some unskilled stiff grab those - that makes the unskilled player more productive with better value on the court anyway.. But Lebron doesn't allow this, and this is the type of suboptimal chemistry that has been his downfall, even though he eeked it out this year.

Of course, if we compare CAREER Finals and playoff stats, it isn't close - Jordan averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist, (despite playing off-ball more to foster better chemistry).

Sorry brah, Bron this finals>any of the Jordan finals.

Take the L. Relax. Don't stress.

[3ball]

gotta factor in defense....that is where Lebron gets the edge


Jordan is the best defender ever at his position, while Lebron is nowhere near.

Jordan has far more defensive accolades than Lebron, and he never let Magic and Drexler get FMVP, let alone role players like Iggy and Kawhi.

try again

[3ball]

Sorry brah, Bron this finals>any of the Jordan finals.

Take the L. Relax. Don't stress.
Lebron's stats thru 4 games weren't good, but he averaged 36 ppg AFTER Game 4, which allowed his team to win.

Obviously, if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did from 1991-1993 Finals, he wouldn't have needed a 7th game.

I laugh at the notion that playing sub-par for half a series and needing to pull it out at the end is better than dominating the entire series and not needing a 7th game.

[plowking]

Obviously, if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did from 1991-1993 Finals, he wouldn't have needed a 7th game.

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Yeah brah, basketball is that simple. You have it all worked out. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Plow it's quite obvious Cleveland's best chances in the series came when LeBron scored over 30 or especially 40. He needed to be a high volume scorer to match such a high powered offense. What 3ball is saying isn't wrong. Phil said it too. He needed to score. And look what happened when he did. Demoralized Golden State mentally, especially that one lone game where his jumper was falling.

[tmacattack33]

I much prefer Jordan's 36/7/8 on 53% in the 1991-1993 Finals, since Jordan accounted for way more of his team's points.

Who cares about the 4 less rebounds - let some unskilled stiff grab those - that makes the unskilled player more productive with better value on the court anyway.. But Lebron doesn't allow this, and this is the type of suboptimal chemistry that has been his downfall, even though he eeked it out this year.

Of course, if we compare CAREER Finals and playoff stats, it isn't close - Jordan averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board (ts, fg, ortg), while only getting 1 less assist, (despite playing off-ball more to foster better chemistry).

Sorry, but this was a very stupid paragraph.

[IGOTGAME]

Jordan is the best defender ever at his position, while Lebron is nowhere near.

Jordan has far more defensive accolades than Lebron, and he never let Magic and Drexler get FMVP, let alone role players like Iggy and Kawhi.

try again

I'm not talking about over a season...I'm talking about what Lebron James did to a 73-9 team in the playoffs. Defensively he was amazing and it was more impressive than anything Jordan did defensively in the playoffs.

[Trollsmasher]

I'm not talking about over a season...I'm talking about what Lebron James did to a 73-9 team in the playoffs. Defensively he was amazing and it was more impressive than anything Jordan did defensively in the playoffs.
this

Jordan wouldn't have been able to protect the rim the way LeBron did or neuter the Curry/Draymond PnR by playing Dray. In 2012 he wouldn't have been able to play the 4 and battle with West/Hibbert when Bosh went down.

Who cares about the best "on his position"? LeBron's defense is more impactful precisely because of him being able to play like a big man.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm not talking about over a season...I'm talking about what Lebron James did to a 73-9 team in the playoffs. Defensively he was amazing and it was more impressive than anything Jordan did defensively in the playoffs.
Yep

We have the facts too

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412013

[3ball]

Jordan wouldn't have been able to protect the rim the way LeBron did


Lebron averaged a couple blocks, which Jordan has also done.

For their careers, Jordan averages the same blocks as Lebron, even though he's a guard, which means he's a better shot-blocker pound for pound.





or neuter the Curry/Draymond PnR by playing Dray.


Dray was MVP for Warriors and killed Lebron for 17/10/6 on 49% - that's better than his RS averages.

Otoh, Jordan held Magic to 19 ppg on 43%, while guarding him for 14 of 20 quarters (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12376705&postcount=45) in 1991 Finals.. So he would have no problems with Draymond..

Also, Jordan had success guarding forwards:


Jordan shuts down James Worthy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFzIJ_23ubg)
Jordan shuts down Adrian Dantley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFUnIIp_WFk)
Jordan shuts down Christian Laettner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGuDdoYZXbQ)
Jordan does well against Barkley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTUF-ImL7Zw)

Jordan shuts down Paul Pierce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSq65L_CVaw)
Jordan shuts down Shawn Marion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXClxwLDuQs)
Jordan shuts down Paul Pierce again (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao70rO103Lg)
Jordan shuts down Vince Carter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQfjsCuvX0)

Jordan's on-ball and help defense on big men (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esc0Ak9Jb90)






In 2012 he wouldn't have been able to play the 4 and battle with West/Hibbert when Bosh went down.


Lebron was destroyed by both.

Infact, Spolestra had Lebron guard West in Game 1, and West destroyed him so severely, that Spo had to completely change the gameplan and didn't put Lebron on West the rest of the series.





Who cares about the best "on his position"?


It costs the team when your defensive assignment significantly outperforms his normal averages, becomes the biggest factor in the opponent's offensive surge, and eventually wins FMVP because of these things (iggy, kawhi).

Iggy's abnormally-good offense (he doubled his scoring average) was the key to the Warriors finally putting the Cavs away last year, which is why he won FMVP..

In Kawhi's case, Lebron held him down the first 3 games (12 ppg on 45%) and the Heat were competitive - but the last 3 games Kawhi ran roughshod (24 ppg on 69%), and this was the biggest factor that allowed the Spurs to pull away in those games, hence Kawhi winning FMVP.
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[3ball]

Yeah brah, basketball is that simple. You have it all worked out.


Lebron averaged 24 points with 6 turnovers in the first four games and his team was down 3-1.

In the last 3 games, he averaged 36 ppg and his team came storming back to win in 7 games.

Again - if he averaged 36 points THE ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did from 1991-1993 playoffs (36/7/8), then he wouldn't need a 7th game just like Jordan never needed one.

[Gileraracer]

Jordan is the best defender ever at his position, while Lebron is nowhere near.

Jordan has far more defensive accolades than Lebron, and he never let Magic and Drexler get FMVP, let alone role players like Iggy and Kawhi.

try again

:applause: :applause:

[KOBE143]

LEGENDARY MJ/Kobe esque :applause: :applause: :applause:

[aj1987]

How many TOs?
The same number as your IQ. :cheers:

[Quickening]

God damn!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Gileraracer]

The same number as your IQ. :cheers:

Yeah i knew it was pretty much

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Sorry ISB, but i had to. you can't keep posting this stuff

https://s32.postimg.org/dsi864x4l/reported.jpg

[Im Still Ballin]

Sorry ISB, but i had to. you can't keep posting this stuff

https://s32.postimg.org/dsi864x4l/reported.jpg
But bro... I'm being serious. LeBron LITERALLY put up 30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49% in the NBA finals, coming from 3-1 down to defeat the 73 win Warriors. It ACTUALLY happened!

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But bro... I'm being serious. LeBron LITERALLY put up 30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49% in the NBA finals, coming from 3-1 down to defeat the 73 win Warriors. It ACTUALLY happened!

GTFO...that's not even ****ing possible for a human being to do. PROVE IT!

[Im Still Ballin]

GTFO...that's not even ****ing possible for a human being to do. PROVE IT!
You're making me do this bro. Prepare to have your reality obliterated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/lebron-james

[Dray n Klay]

You're making me do this bro. Prepare to have your reality obliterated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/lebron-james

:biggums: :eek:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You're making me do this bro. Prepare to have your reality obliterated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/lebron-james

https://media.giphy.com/media/oaPcDncoLfgjK/giphy.gif

[aj1987]

Yeah i knew it was pretty much
You admit that your IQ is 31? I'm sure that due your lack of intelligence, you might've not understood what I posted.

[3ball]

But bro... I'm being serious. LeBron LITERALLY put up 30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49% in the NBA finals, coming from 3-1 down to defeat the 73 win Warriors. It ACTUALLY happened!


Lebron averaged 24 points with 6 turnovers in the first four games and his team was down 3-1.

In the last 3 games, he averaged 36 ppg and his team came back to win in 7 games.

If he averaged 36 points THE ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did from 1991-1993 playoffs (36/7/8), then he wouldn't need a 7th game just like Jordan never needed one..

Jordan's performance was greater because he dominated throughout the series, so he didn't need a 7th game, whereas Lebron only dominated the last 3 games..

[AintNoSunshine]

And this

http://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2016/sports2/06/21/kyrie_062116.jpg


Face full of jizzz

[aj1987]

LeBron >>>>>>>> Ordan.
:applause: :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

ya

[ArbitraryWater]

You're making me do this bro. Prepare to have your reality obliterated.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/lebron-james



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https://media.giphy.com/media/oaPcDncoLfgjK/giphy.gif

[CTbasketball92]

Honestly, LeBron had an incredible finals. But he also had a pretty subpar 3 games. He had two historically great games (5&6) one very good game (Game 3) and one not-so-great/but context makes it great game (Game 7).


MJ's best finals were probably better (first 3) but man, LeBron showed us that he should be considered the best player in the league until he retires. He's even better than we thought, which is actually insane. He's arguably the league's best athlete too at age 31. How? what a ridiculous talent. Literally unbelievable.

Say what you want about accolades and legacies, but really, if there was a draft of all time greats, I'd MAYBE only take MJ or Kareem in front of LeBron. He's a guard that can defend big men and score like the greatest wing ever. LeBron being in your top should be definite, but to me there's no doubt he's technically about as impactful as any player ever -- maybe save michael jordan.

[3ball]

Lebron is a guard that can defend big men and score like the greatest wing ever.


That's an insult to Jordan's scoring ability.. No all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their, let alone by an average margin of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan.. Lebron has many series where he wasn't his team's leading scorer, including an entire playoff run..

Jordan averaged nearly 6 more points in the playoffs with better efficiency across the board (ts, fg, ortg), and only 1 less assist.. Jordan's massive scoring and efficiency edge requires more energy and controls the game better than Lebron's 2.5 defensive rebound edge and 1.0 assist edge.

[riseagainst]

I don't care what you say, that's the GOAT statline vs the GOAT team.

That player must be the GOAT!

[3ball]

I don't care what you say, that's the GOAT statline vs the GOAT team.

That player must be the GOAT!


Lebron only scored 2 ppg more than Kyrie.

Otoh, when Jordan averaged 35/7/7 in 1985-1993 playoffs, or 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals, that was 15-25 ppg more than his 2nd option - so he succeeded with much less help.

To summarize, Jordan has many series where he dominated to the same or greater extent, and his overall body of work destroys Lebron's - Lebron has half the rings and half the fmvp's, so he needs to literally redo his entire career to match Jordan's individual and team playoff accomplishments.

[iamgine]

http://memestorage.com/_nw/20/02384240.jpg