LeBron faced DET, ATL, TOR to get to the Finals, Curry faced HOU, POR, and OKC

[warriorfan]

Detroit, Atlanta, Toronto in the ECF?

Eastern Conference is a joke, and it's been a joke for so long now that it now seems normal to have the Eastern Conference be a shell of the Western

[JebronLames]

Toronto and Atlanta beat Portland and Houston easily

[SouBeachTalents]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S-6TNrxYuho/V2OzNZFfefI/AAAAAAAAChI/MOoEwKNnr6IQVPqrNrFBXFqV-IN7QrewA/w506-h750/LeBron-James-Blocks-Stephen-Curry.gif

[Nilocon165]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o72FiRWbinrq1YKti/giphy.gif

[Nilocon165]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S-6TNrxYuho/V2OzNZFfefI/AAAAAAAAChI/MOoEwKNnr6IQVPqrNrFBXFqV-IN7QrewA/w506-h750/LeBron-James-Blocks-Stephen-Curry.gif
Great minds think alike

[Ai2death]

I actually thought HOU, POR, and OKC were the bigger joke.

[warriorfan]

Toronto and Atlanta beat Portland and Houston easily

Toronto was an ECF team, why are you comparing them to the first round of the Western Conference? :lol

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto

[Mr Feeny]

Agree Curry 》 kobe:applause:

[warriorfan]

Agree Curry 》 kobe:applause:

What does Mr Feeny's mind and Kate Faber have in common?

They both got raped by Kobe

[RedBlackAttack]

Toronto was an ECF team, why are you comparing them to the first round of the Western Conference? :lol

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto
It's silly to even compare the two players at all right now, but...

Detroit was 6 games over .500 and they were 2-0 against Houston, beating them by a combined 20 points in two games that weren't close. Detroit was also 10-4 in their previous 14 games heading into the playoffs. They were one of the hottest teams in the league.

The Rockets were 41-41 and seemed to be just barely trying in the playoffs. They were 6-7 in their previous 13 games heading into the postseason.

How on earth would anyone rate the Rockets as a better team than the Pistons?

[NBAGOAT]

Toronto was an ECF team, why are you comparing them to the first round of the Western Conference? :lol

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto

:oldlol: you've got to be kidding me. Only people with agendas believe this. Detroit is honestly comparable to Portland even if Portland looked good in the playoffs.

[tmacattack33]

Houston and Portland? :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

What does Mr Feeny's mind and Kate Faber have in common?

They both got raped by Kobe

So Kobe Bryant is a rapist? Agree :lebronamazed:

Curry 》》》 any version of Kobrick :banana:

[tmacattack33]

Curry had home court advantage in game 7, which has proven to be a huge advantage, and yet still fukked it up.

Just give it up, pack it in, and come back next year and hope your boy plays better in next year's playoffs.

[Uncle Drew]

Detroit: 44-38
Atlanta: 48-34
Toronto: 56-26

Houston: 41-41
Portland: 44-38
Oklahoma: 55-27

Next.

[Uncle Drew]

Our first round match up was as good as Golden State's 2nd round match up. :eek: Fix your game Silver, the Beastern Conference is too much.

[warriorfan]

It's silly to even compare the two players at all right now, but...

Detroit was 6 games over .500 and they were 2-0 against Houston, beating them by a combined 20 points in two games that weren't close. Detroit was also 10-4 in their previous 14 games heading into the playoffs. They were one of the hottest teams in the league.

The Rockets were 41-41 and seemed to be just barely trying in the playoffs. They were 6-7 in their previous 13 games heading into the postseason.

How on earth would anyone rate the Rockets as a better team than the Pistons?

You are putting too much weight in regular season games

Warriors kicked the shit out of the Cavaliers in the regular season too, does that mean Warriors > Cavaliers?

Houston was having chemistry problems after getting rid of McHale but they are the much more talented team. Houston > Detroit in a 7 game series every time, Drummond and Reggie Jackson are not playoff ready as they showed us this postseason.

[Uncle Drew]

Golden State's conference finals opponents lost 12 out of 30 games against Beastern Conference teams. They lost 15 out of 52 against Estern Conference teams.

Damn.

[tpols]

think about how much had to "go right" for Cleveland to beat the Warriors..

the first and second option had to play like shit
their third option had to be suspended in the middle of the series
their starting center had to go down
Iggy had to get hurt
Bron had to get hot with his jumper at the right time
Kyrie had to be the first second option since Kobe-Shaq to average 30


and still the Cavs only won by bare skin of their teeth.. 1 or 2 posesions dont go their way and they lose at the end of that game 7.


Now imagine the Cavs having to have everything go right for them TWICE, or three times in a row like in Spurs case having to hypothetically go through OKC-->GSW-->CLE .. cleveland would have virtually no chance of winning the title if they were out west.. it goes from a 50/50 shot in the Finals at best to 50/50 second round, 50/50 third round, 50/50 fourth round, which slices the odds into a small sliver

[TommyGriffin]

think about how much had to "go right" for Cleveland to beat the Warriors..

the first and second option had to play like shit
their third option had to be suspended in the middle of the series
their starting center had to go down
Iggy had to get hurt
Bron had to get hot with his jumper at the right time
Kyrie had to be the first second option since Kobe-Shaq to average 30


and still the Cavs only won by bare skin of their teeth.. 1 or 2 posesions dont go their way and they lose at the end of that game 7.


Now imagine the Cavs having to have everything go right for them TWICE, or three times in a row like in Spurs case having to hypothetically go through OKC-->GSW-->CLE .. cleveland would have virtually no chance of winning the title if they were out west.. it goes from a 50/50 shot in the Finals at best to 50/50 second round, 50/50 third round, 50/50 fourth round, which slices the odds into a small sliver
Even though I am a Cavs fan I can be objective and admit that it was nothing short of a miracle. I'm not going to sit here and act like it was LeBron too. As your post mentioned there were so many things that went right for us. Next year I'm going to be nervous if Curry and the Warriors are healthy. I don't see us getting so many breaks again like we did this year.

[Mr Feeny]

Agree with tpols. Lebron is amazing.

I had him at top 3 goat but after reading that I now have him at top 2 goat:applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

think about how much had to "go right" for Cleveland to beat the Warriors..

the first and second option had to play like shit
their third option had to be suspended in the middle of the series
their starting center had to go down
Iggy had to get hurt
Bron had to get hot with his jumper at the right time
Kyrie had to be the first second option since Kobe-Shaq to average 30


and still the Cavs only won by bare skin of their teeth.. 1 or 2 posesions dont go their way and they lose at the end of that game 7.


Now imagine the Cavs having to have everything go right for them TWICE, or three times in a row like in Spurs case having to hypothetically go through OKC-->GSW-->CLE .. cleveland would have virtually no chance of winning the title if they were out west.. it goes from a 50/50 shot in the Finals at best to 50/50 second round, 50/50 third round, 50/50 fourth round, which slices the odds into a small sliver

Think about everything that "went right" for the Warriors last year and it makes this list look fairly reasonable.

They somehow managed to avoid playing either OKC (due to injuries) and SAS in the West. They faced a gauntlet of New Orleans, the MASH unit for the Grizzlies and then the freaking Rockets in the conference finals.

Then, they get to The Finals and see a Cavs team totally decimated by injuries. Kyrie Irving came into The Finals playing at around 75%, I'd estimate, and then was done for the series after Game 1. Love obviously didn't play a minute. Shumpert had an injured shoulder and an injured groin. This was before the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson, Mo Williams and Channing Frye, which would have helped a ton last year.

They were actually relying on a player in Matthew Dellevadova who was used to playing between 10-15 minutes a night in the regular season to play 40+ minutes in The Finals. He had to be hospitalized after Game 3 due to exhaustion.

The Cavs were essentially playing a 6-man rotation against a fully healthy Warriors team...

And somehow, some way, the Cavs held a 2-1 series lead and the one game they lost was an OT thriller.



Now, I have to hear about all of the things that went wrong for the Warriors after they blow a 3-1 series lead and lose a Game 7 in their own building with everyone but Bogut playing? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Think about everything that "went right" for the Warriors last year and it makes this list look fairly reasonable.

They somehow managed to avoid playing either OKC (due to injuries) and SAS in the West. They faced a gauntlet of New Orleans, the MASH unit for the Grizzlies and then the freaking Rockets in the conference finals.

Then, they get to The Finals and see a Cavs team totally decimated by injuries. Kyrie Irving came into The Finals playing at around 75%, I'd estimate, and then was done for the series after Game 1. Love obviously didn't play a minute. Shumpert had an injured shoulder and an injured groin. This was before the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson, Mo Williams and Channing Frye, which would have helped a ton last year.

They were actually relying on a player in Matthew Dellevadova who was used to playing between 10-15 minutes a night in the regular season to play 40+ minutes in The Finals. He actually had to be hospitalized after Game 3 due to exhaustion.

The Cavs were essentially playing a 6-man rotation against a fully healthy Warriors team...

And somehow, some way, the Cavs held a 2-1 series lead and the one game they lost was an OT thriller.



Now, I have to hear about all of the things that went wrong for the Warriors after they blow a 3-1 series lead and lose a Game 7 in their own building with everyone but Bogut playing? :oldlol:

You are being dishonest now

Bogut is a huge part to the defense considering Warriors have no back up C, Dray had his hands tied in fear of another bogus suspension, Iguodala's back was obviously hurt, Curry wasn't feeling like himself as well.

At least Golden State fans can admit that Cavs had some bad injuries last year

You should be able to do the same and admit that Warriors had some bad injuries this year

[Mr Feeny]

You are being dishonest now

Bogut is a huge part to the defense considering Warriors have no back up C, Dray had his hands tied in fear of another bogus suspension, Iguodala's back was obviously hurt, Curry wasn't feeling like himself as well.

At least Golden State fans can admit that Cavs had some bad injuries last year

You should be able to do the same and admit that Warriors had some bad injuries this year

Agree lebron is AMAZING and the Cavs kicked arsee.

[warriorfan]

Agree lebron is AMAZING and the Cavs kicked arsee.

Wow. You don't know basketball AND you suck at trolling

Don't see that very often

Good luck with your posting, hope you can start doing better

-warriorfan

[LikeABosh]

DET and ATL are at least physical and play good D. HOU and POR are the epitome of playoff fodder cupcakes

[tpols]

RBA I agree with all that .. warriors did get a shit ton of breaks last year.


What does that have to do with my post about this year and the Cavs?

[RedBlackAttack]

You are being dishonest now

Bogut is a huge part to the defense considering Warriors have no back up C, Dray had his hands tied in fear of another bogus suspension, Iguodala's back was obviously hurt, Curry wasn't feeling like himself as well.

At least Golden State fans can admit that Cavs had some bad injuries last year

You should be able to do the same and admit that Warriors had some bad injuries this year
There is absolutely no comparison.

Bogut was averaging 12 minutes per game in The Finals prior to his getting injured. The Cavs lost Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love for basically the entire series and Shumpert was a shell of himself out there.

And, they weren't nearly as deep a team as the 2016 model when everyone was healthy.

It is a god damn miracle that the Cavs played the Warriors as closely as they did in that series last year. Even the final three games, all of which Golden State won, were a lot closer than people like to remember. The Cavs would just inevitably run out of gas toward the end, which tends to happen when you're playing 6 guys.

[Mr Feeny]

Wow. You don't know basketball AND you suck at trolling

Don't see that very often

Good luck with your posting, hope you can start doing better

-warriorfan

Agree lebron and Curry 》 kobe.

[warriorfan]

There is absolutely no comparison.

Bogut was averaging 12 minutes per game in The Finals prior to his getting injured. The Cavs lost Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love for basically the entire series and Shumpert was a shell of himself out there.

And, they weren't nearly as deep a team as the 2016 model when everyone was healthy.

It is a god damn miracle that the Cavs played the Warriors as closely as they did in that series last year. Even the final three games, all of which Golden State won, were a lot closer than people like to remember. The Cavs would just inevitably run out of gas toward the end, which tends to happen when you're playing 6 guys.

Cavs did overachieve last year due to their injuries

You cannot act like the stylistic difference their new lineup had to take was a positive for matching up against the Warriors. Going bigger and slowing down the pace as much as possible was a fantastic strategy for going up against Golden State

Why did Kevin Love struggle to find minutes when healthy this Finals if he was supposedly such an integral part of the team as you are portraying?

Saying Bogut only playing 12 minutes is being disingenuous. We both know that Varejao and Ezeli completely failed out there while trying to soak up those minutes. 12 minutes is a long time when you have no viable replacement bigman. You saw how close game 7 was, you saw how badly Ezeli and Varejao stunk it up out there. If Bogut plays in game 7 and Ezeli and Varejo get 0 minutes, Warriors could of VERY easily won that game.

Look, Cavs were banged up last year, Warriors were banged up this year. Be a ****ing man and just admit it.

[RedBlackAttack]

RBA I agree with all that .. warriors did get a shit ton of breaks last year.


What does that have to do with my post about this year and the Cavs?
I would argue that, in order to win a title, a lot of things have to go your way. The 2016 Cavs aren't some crazy outlier that stands in stark contrast to all other NBA Championships. Things like Kyrie Irving stepping up isn't even a "luck" thing... that's a credit to him and the team.

Some might have slightly more or less variables (ie luck) involved than others, but there is an element of it in every championship run that you pick.

Think about all of the things that had to go right for the Heat to win in 2013, when Ray Allen hit that crazy buzzer-beater as they were on the verge of being beaten in six games.

That sequence starting from about the four minute mark of the fourth quarter was probably more ridiculous than anything that happened to the 2016 Cavs or the 2015 Warriors ...

But, that kind of stuff happens. It's what makes the playoffs so damn interesting.

[Uncle Drew]

Cavs did overachieve last year due to their injuries

You cannot act like the stylistic difference their new lineup had to take was a positive for matching up against the Warriors. Going bigger and slowing down the pace as much as possible was a fantastic strategy for going up against Golden State

Why did Kevin Love struggle to find minutes when healthy this Finals if he was supposedly such an integral part of the team as you are portraying?

Saying Bogut only playing 12 minutes is being disingenuous. We both know that Varejao and Ezeli completely failed out there while trying to soak up those minutes. 12 minutes is a long time when you have no viable replacement bigman. You saw how close game 7 was, you saw how badly Ezeli and Varejao stunk it up out there. If Bogut plays in game 7 and Ezeli and Varejo get 0 minutes, Warriors could of VERY easily won that game.

Look, Cavs were banged up last year, Warriors were banged up this year. Be a ****ing man and just admit it.
No excuses.

[tpols]

I would argue that, in order to win a title, a lot of things have to go your way. The 2016 Cavs aren't some crazy outlier that stands in stark contrast to all other NBA Championships.

Some might have slightly more or less variables (ie luck) involved than others, but there is an element of it in every championship run that you pick.

Think about all of the things that had to go right for the Heat to win in 2013, when Ray Allen hit that crazy buzzer-beater as they were on the verge of being beaten in six games.

That sequence starting from about the four minute mark of the fourth quarter was probably more ridiculous than either the 2016 Cavs or the 2015 Warriors ...

But, that kind of stuff happens. It's what makes the playoffs so damn interesting.


I'm just saying it's usually much tougher on the contenders in the West then it is on the contender in the east especially this year (and that was probably true of 2013 as well, ie Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh couldnt play like they did against Indiana against another team like the spurs or thunder and expect to win) .. because they need everything to go right more times in a row in these close matchups. . Would be nice to see a more balanced system but it is what it is.

[NumberSix]

Curry lost with a vastly superior team. He's the vastly inferior player.

[Mr Feeny]

Curry lost with a vastly superior team. He's the vastly inferior player.

The man in your pic is a vastly inferior president to King Clinton.

[sfballa13]

Toronto was an ECF team, why are you comparing them to the first round of the Western Conference? :lol

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto

Pistons record for 2015-2016: 44-38


Pistons record against Houston this season 2-0 (won by 10-12 each game)

Pistons record against Portland this season 2-0 (both 20 pt blowouts)

Pistons record against OKC this season 1-1


Hawks record for 2016-2016: 48-34

Hawks record against Houston this season 2-0

Hawks record against Portland this season 2-0

Hawks record against OKC this season 1-1


Raptors record for 2015-2016: 56-26

Raptors record against Houston this season 0-2

Raptors record against Portland this season 2-0

Raptors record against OKC this season 1-1


Houston Rockets record: 41-41

Portland Trailblazers record: 44-38 (same record as Pistons but was 0-6 against Pistons-Hawks-Raptors LMAO)

Warriors had the easier path to the Finals, Curry sat for 25% of the playoffs, and they STILL choked :applause:

Staying losing GS fans! :cheers:

LMFAO :lol


:roll:

[warriorfan]

Pistons record for 2015-2016: 44-38


Pistons record against Houston this season 2-0 (won by 10-12 each game)

Pistons record against Portland this season 2-0 (both 20 pt blowouts)

Pistons record against OKC this season 1-1


Hawks record for 2016-2016: 48-34

Hawks record against Houston this season 2-0

Hawks record against Portland this season 2-0

Hawks record against OKC this season 1-1


Raptors record for 2015-2016: 56-26

Raptors record against Houston this season 0-2

Raptors record against Portland this season 2-0

Raptors record against OKC this season 1-1


Houston Rockets record: 41-41

Portland Trailblazers record: 44-38 (same record as Pistons but was 0-6 against Pistons-Hawks-Raptors LMAO)

Warriors had the easier path to the Finals, Curry sat for 25% of the playoffs, and they STILL choked :applause:

Staying losing GS fans!

LMFAO :lol




That is the regular season

Golden State record against CLE this season, 2-0, beat them by 6 points and then beat them by 34 points, while in CLE too!

I guess that means Golden State is the superior team, right?

:hammerhead:

P.S. How much time did you waste on that nonsense of a post? :oldlol:

Do everyone a favor and spend less time copy pasting irrelevant bullshit from basketball reference and learn about the game so you can make some legitimate posts for once :oldlol:

[Young X]

Stephen played 3 combined games against Houston and Portland and still got to the conference finals. Just stop.

[sfballa13]

That is the regular season

Golden State record against CLE this season, 2-0, beat them by 6 points and then beat them by 34 points, while in CLE too!

I guess that means Golden State is the superior team, right?

:hammerhead:

P.S. How much time did you waste on that nonsense of a post? :oldlol:

Do everyone a favor and spend less time copy pasting irrelevant bullshit from basketball reference and learn about the game so you can make some legitimate posts for once :oldlol:

Warriors got exposed as did their fans

Stay losing fam!

Enjoy the greatest choke and comeback in professional sports history

Enjoy becoming a part of history, as a loser

https://pics.onsizzle.com/13-9-isnt-bad-nbamemes-but-72-10-just-has-a-ring-2870328.png

[warriorfan]

Stephen played 3 combined games against Houston and Portland and still got to the conference finals.

Yeah Steph sure as hell lucked out by tearing his MCL :lol

You gonna act like Cleveland couldn't of whipped Detroit and ATL with LeBron playing in only 3 games?

If you are, you lying

[warriorfan]

Warriors got exposed as did their fans

Stay losing fam!

Enjoy the greatest choke and comeback in professional sports history

Enjoy becoming a part of history, as a loser

https://pics.onsizzle.com/13-9-isnt-bad-nbamemes-but-72-10-just-has-a-ring-2870328.png

ugh, cringe

this guy is mr feeny part II :roll:

[NumberSix]

Steph Carried is not a top 10 player in the NBA.

[sfballa13]

Oh yeh i forgot to mention that your leader, and supposed MVP got exposed as nothing more than a wimpy great shooter

Put a little defensive pressure, a little physicality and he turns to a turnover machine that either hits the side of the backboard of gets blocked over and over!

:oldlol:

Two straight Finals he disappeared.

Even with the NBA letting Draymond Green get away with two nut shots and taking down Adams by his shoulder socket you still couldnt get it done

Wahhhh Curry is hurt

Your shit doesnt even make sense Portland and Houston SUCK. In fact you keep talking about the regular season, Houston esp, played BETTER during the regular season you moron.

Portland wouldnt even have made it to the second round if Blake Griffin AND Chris Paul didnt get hurt. That's right yet another team GS did not have to face due to injury.

Dont forget your best competitor the Spurs were taken out by OKC. Again the only decent team you played was OKC. You gloated and acted like you won the championship as did your players

Now you go down in history as the biggest embarrassment in the NBA

Golden States 2015-2016 the crowning jewel in King James Crown

Golden State has been dead...LONG LIVE THE KING!

[warriorfan]

Steph Carried is not a top 10 player in the NBA.

That sucks for your OKC team that they got killed by someone who isn't even a top 10 player

My condolences go out to you and your team

[warriorfan]

Oh yeh i forgot to mention that your leader, and supposed MVP got exposed as nothing more than a wimpy great shooter

Put a little defensive pressure, a little physicality and he turns to a turnover machine that either hits the side of the backboard of gets blocked over and over!

:oldlol:

Two straight Finals he disappeared.

Even with the NBA letting Draymond Green get away with two nut shots and taking down Adams by his shoulder socket you still couldnt get it done

Wahhhh Curry is hurt

Your shit doesnt even make sense Portland and Houston SUCK. In fact you keep talking about the regular season, Houston esp, played BETTER during the regular season you moron.

Portland wouldnt even have made it to the second round if Blake Griffin AND Chris Paul didnt get hurt. That's right yet another team GS did not have to face due to injury.

Dont forget your best competitor the Spurs were taken out by OKC. Again the only decent team you played was OKC. You gloated and acted like you won the championship as did your players

Now you go down in history as the biggest embarrassment in the NBA

Golden States 2015-2016 the crowning jewel in King James Crown

Golden State has been dead...LONG LIVE THE KING!

One of the more embarrassing attempts of talking ball I have seen on this website

cringe

[sfballa13]

Steph Carried is not a top 10 player in the NBA.

A great shooter, nothing more

In his first good season in the NBA he was putting up WORSE stats the Jordan in his 40s in his final season in the NBA

Golden State and Curry are a sham

And people said they could beat the 72-10 Bulls, the Showtime Lakers, the Bad Boy Pistons, Bird's Celtics, Shaq and Kobe Lakers, and 2004 Pistons all time defensive team??

The amount of crazed stupidity i read this season tops the last 15 years easily. And in the end everyone got their shit packed in and simply now need to shut the **** up as their team couldnt get it done

SORRY ITS OVER YOU LOST!!!!!!!!!!

From dissing LeBron about getting his feelings hurt, to actually getting his feelings hurt and not shaking hands after Game 7 and being called out by everyone on his team esp Bogut and Green.

Keep losing Klay!

Each player on GS has a keeping losing story i could go on and on.

[sfballa13]

One of the more embarrassing attempts of talking ball I have seen on this website

cringe

All your comebacks have nothing to do about basketball

You were one of the guys proclaiming how GS could beat all the all-time great teams all season long

YOU GOT WORKED BY THE KING SON!

LMFAO STAY LOSING FAM!!!!!

HOLD THIS L TIGHT MY NIGGAAAA!!!!

[sfballa13]

Ezeli and Barnes

Proclaimed as the next coming of Jesus by many GS fans

Both completely shiiit the bed in the Finals

Now we are not talking a few droppings we are talking liquid diarrhea all over the sheets you gotta burn it there is no coming back

Keep Losing Ezeli and Barnes!

:roll:

[warriorfan]

All your comebacks have nothing to do about basketball

You were one of the guys proclaiming how GS could beat all the all-time great teams all season long

YOU GOT WORKED BY THE KING SON!

LMFAO STAY LOSING FAM!!!!!

HOLD THIS L TIGHT MY NIGGAAAA!!!!

https://m.popkey.co/71e484/ldbWK.gif

[warriorfan]

Ezeli and Barnes

Proclaimed as the next coming of Jesus by many GS fans

Both completely shiiit the bed in the Finals

Now we are not talking a few droppings we are talking liquid diarrhea all over the sheets you gotta burn it there is no coming back

Keep Losing Ezeli and Barnes!

:roll:

You have now officially started to meltdown :roll:

[diamenz]

all i know is that the raps have no business being in the conference finals, and that okc should have won that series.

[ZMonkey11]

Detroit, Atlanta, Toronto in the ECF?


So what you are saying really is only LeBron faced a team that was a recent champion to get to the Finals. And Curry faced no one that has won a title.

Got it. You right. Dumb ass.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Detroit: 44-38
Atlanta: 48-34
Toronto: 56-26

Houston: 41-41
Portland: 44-38
Oklahoma: 55-27

Next.

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[DirkNowitzki41]

Think about everything that "went right" for the Warriors last year and it makes this list look fairly reasonable.

They somehow managed to avoid playing either OKC (due to injuries) and SAS in the West. They faced a gauntlet of New Orleans, the MASH unit for the Grizzlies and then the freaking Rockets in the conference finals.

Then, they get to The Finals and see a Cavs team totally decimated by injuries. Kyrie Irving came into The Finals playing at around 75%, I'd estimate, and then was done for the series after Game 1. Love obviously didn't play a minute. Shumpert had an injured shoulder and an injured groin. This was before the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson, Mo Williams and Channing Frye, which would have helped a ton last year.

They were actually relying on a player in Matthew Dellevadova who was used to playing between 10-15 minutes a night in the regular season to play 40+ minutes in The Finals. He had to be hospitalized after Game 3 due to exhaustion.

The Cavs were essentially playing a 6-man rotation against a fully healthy Warriors team...

And somehow, some way, the Cavs held a 2-1 series lead and the one game they lost was an OT thriller.



Now, I have to hear about all of the things that went wrong for the Warriors after they blow a 3-1 series lead and lose a Game 7 in their own building with everyone but Bogut playing? :oldlol:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S-6TNrxYuho/V2OzNZFfefI/AAAAAAAAChI/MOoEwKNnr6IQVPqrNrFBXFqV-IN7QrewA/w506-h750/LeBron-James-Blocks-Stephen-Curry.gif

[warriorfan]

So what you are saying really is only LeBron faced a team that was a recent champion to get to the Finals. And Curry faced no one that has won a title.

Got it. You right. Dumb ass.

:biggums:

[Ben Simmons]

Yeah Steph sure as hell lucked out by tearing his MCL :lol

You gonna act like Cleveland couldn't of whipped Detroit and ATL with LeBron playing in only 3 games?

If you are, you lying
They really couldnt.

I wouldnt be confident in the Cavs winning either series.

[TheReal Kendall]

The East is pretty bad but the Cavs beat the best team in nba in the finals to win the ring.

So you can't knock them. Just so love man. The Cavs were the better team during the finals.

[warriorfan]

The East is pretty bad but the Cavs beat the best team in nba in the finals to win the ring.

So you can't knock them. Just so love man. The Cavs were the better team during the finals.

The Cavs had an easier road to the Finals though which proved to be an advantage against Golden State

[Lebron23]

Cavs are the best team in the NBA Finals. And that's the only thing that matters.

[Bankaii]

The Cavs had an easier road to the Finals though which proved to be an advantage against Golden State
Except you've done absolutely nothing to prove that:oldlol:
The Cavs won because Bron/Kyrie are gods and Steph Cucky choked.

[warriorfan]

Except you've done absolutely nothing to prove that:oldlol:
The Cavs won because Bron/Kyrie are gods and Steph Cucky choked.

let me know when you want to come back to earth to have a real discussion

but coming from the guy who tried to tell us derek fisher was better than kobe bryant because of ortgs I dont see that happening any time soon

[Lebron23]

Detroit: 44-38
Atlanta: 48-34
Toronto: 56-26

Houston: 41-41
Portland: 44-38
Oklahoma: 55-27

Next.


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[warriorfan]

Only Autistic LeBron fans would try to argue that the Raptors winning one more regular season game than OKC makes them the better team

[Ai2death]

Records being broken everywhere,

Warriors 73-9
Cavs come back 3-1 in the finals
& Warriorfan having the biggest/longest meltdown in history of ISH

[Uncle Drew]

Only Autistic LeBron fans would try to argue that the Raptors winning one more regular season game than OKC makes them the better team
You're doing the exact same, you kindergarten drop out.

[TheReal Kendall]

The Cavs had an easier road to the Finals though which proved to be an advantage against Golden State

They still beat them bro. Even came back from being down 3-1. You can't discredit them. If anything you need to be mad at the Warriors for choking hard.

[warriorfan]

Records bring broken everywhere,

Warriors 73-9
Cavs come back 3-1 in the finals
& Warriorfan having the biggest/longest meltdown in history of ISH

We are having a calm discussion here, there is no melting down

I have congratulated the Cavs and their fans on winning the finals quite a few times already

It was ironic in the fact that the Warriors were suffering from injuries after the Cavaliers were injured in the previous Final

Next year will probably be another great Final

[warriorfan]

You're doing the exact same, you kindergarten drop out.

I'm not doing the exact same, I'm not doing a black and white analysis where "Raptors won one more regular season game, therefore they are better than Oklahoma City!"

I'm being real and saying Oklahoma City is the better basketball team than the Raptors...You really gonna try to say otherwise? You are digging yourself a ditch here...

[DMAVS41]

The problem with this argument as a Warriors fan is that it diminishes last year. The Warriors could not have had a more lucky path to the title last year and didn't have to play 1 single team of note.

But in general, yes, the tougher path to the finals can do some damage to a team's chance of winning it all. Not only just from a percentage chance of getting there (the Warriors had a considerably worse chance to make the finals this year with the Spurs/Thunder looming than the Cavs did with the Cavs not playing a team that could beat them), but also just being a bit more worn down from having to fight harder to get there.

So it's fine to say that...it's true in a lot of cases.

The other side though is that the Warriors were better prepared to play high level basketball this year in light of having to face an elite opponent like the Thunder. While the Cavs were never actually pushed or tested.

So it comes as no surprise that the Cavs started out the series slowly and took a while to adjust...so you have to factor that in as well.

End of the day...the Warriors didn't lose because they were hurt or tired though. They lost because they choked their asses off down the stretch at home in a game 7...and their best player no showed the biggest game of his career to date.

The rest is just noise and distraction...and double standard if not putting an asterisk by last year in which the Warriors played about the easiest competition I can remember en route to the title.

[Uncle Drew]

I'm not doing the exact same
You're arguing one less regular season win doesn't make OKC a worse team, therefore; you're doing the exact same.

The hypocrisy is stifling.

[Bankaii]

let me know when you want to come back to earth to have a real discussion

but coming from the guy who tried to tell us derek fisher was better than kobe bryant because of ortgs I dont see that happening any time soon
Can you even construct an actual argument? All you do is throw out insults.

Let me know when Steph Curry can score a single point in the Finals 6 minutes of a Game 7 in the Finals.

[warriorfan]

Can you even construct an actual argument? All you do is throw out insults.

Let me know when Steph Curry can score a single point in the Finals 6 minutes of a Game 7 in the Finals.

I'm not insulting you I'm just quoting your previous posting history, if you think that is an insult then it speaks volumes about how you yourself knows that you don't know shit about ball

let that sink in for a second...

Steph Curry will score a point in the last 6 mins of a game 7 in a few seasons probably, next season won't even go to 7 games because the Warriors will have beaten them before that

[DrainMD]

We are having a calm discussion here, there is no melting down

I have congratulated the Cavs and their fans on winning the finals quite a few times already

It was ironic in the fact that the Warriors were suffering from injuries after the Cavaliers were injured in the previous Final

Next year will probably be another great Final

Not equivalent, Kyrie played 1 game in the finals. Love was out for basically the whole playoff run.

Everyone is banged up at the end of the year, but at least for the warriors, they were healthy enough to play.

And the point of the threads you're making is? Explain why the warriors lost?

[warriorfan]

You're arguing one less regular season win doesn't make OKC a worse team, therefore; you're doing the exact same.

The hypocrisy is stifling.

No, I'm arguing throw records out the window and just look at the rosters, OKC is the better team and it's not even close...

[warriorfan]

Not equivalent, Kyrie played 1 game in the finals. Love was out for basically the whole playoff run.

Everyone is banged up at the end of the year, but at least for the warriors, they were healthy enough to play.

And the point of the threads you're making is? Explain why the warriors lost?

Love proved he was a terrible match up against the Warriors. He struggled to find minutes vs them while healthy and they arguably played better with out him. So right there diminishes the fact that Love was missing last year, because the Cavs play the Warriors better with out him. Kyrie being out was big I will admit. But you are turning a blind eye to Curry suffering a knee injury , Iguodala's back, Bogut's knee injury, Draymond being suspended....To be honest all those are a bigger factor than Kyrie being out.

It just goes back to what I have been saying all along though

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Warriors were banged up this year

Next season both teams will probably make the finals again and we will see a rematch

[tpols]

The other side though is that the Warriors were better prepared to play high level basketball this year in light of having to face an elite opponent like the Thunder. While the Cavs were never actually pushed or tested.
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the negatives of potentially getting knocked out early far outweigh any experience gained factor .. and while the warriors had an easy path last year, that was an anomaly for the West. Most years you have to go through hell and stars need to be on their A game just to make the Finals. This has not been the case for Bron led teams. Out east, Wade could play like shit in the conference finals (2011, 2013) or Cavs could be missing Love and injured kyrie yet still sweep to the Finals. And then it becomes a crap shoot, with the team from the West already having blown one of their loads just to earn the right to play in the Finals while the East squad is fully loaded and fresh.

[DMAVS41]

Love proved he was a terrible match up against the Warriors. He struggled to find minutes vs them while healthy and they arguably played better with out him. So right there diminishes the fact that Love was missing last year, because the Cavs play the Warriors better with out him. Kyrie being out was big I will admit. But you are turning a blind eye to Curry suffering a knee injury , Iguodala's back, Bogut's knee injury, Draymond being suspended....To be honest all those are a bigger factor than Kyrie being out.

It just goes back to what I have been saying all along though

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Warriors were banged up this year

Next season both teams will probably make the finals again and we will see a rematch

Equating the two is absurd. The Cavs were "banged up" last year? They were without 2 all nba caliber players for the majority of the series.

The Cavs didn't have a good shot in that series and we all know it.

You are doing this to distract from the fact that your boy no showed the biggest game of his career and crumbled down the stretch. The blame starts there.

I'm not saying other factors aren't real, they are, but you don't get to bitch about them when you are like 2 minutes from the title on your home floor and capable of running and jumping and playing.

Curry and the Warriors choked in game 7...and they didn't deserve to win. It's both simple and accurate.

You ignore that part of being an all time great team is overcoming adversity. Warriors haven't done that yet. Last year was a cakewalk and this year they failed.

[DMAVS41]

the negatives of potentially getting knocked out early far outweigh any experience gained factor .. and while the warriors had an easy path last year, that was an anomaly for the West. Most years you have to go through hell and stars need to be on their A game just to make the Finals. This has not been the case for Bron led teams. Out east, Wade could play like shit in the conference finals (2011, 2013) or Cavs could be missing Love and injured kyrie yet still sweep to the Finals. And then it becomes a crap shoot, with the team from the West already having blown one of their loads just to earn the right to play in the Finals while the East squad is fully loaded and fresh.

Oh of course...totally agree.

I'm not arguing against that...you know I agree with it and you know what I think of the East.

However, focusing on that stuff is a distraction for what really happened ultimately. And that is that he Warriors choked game 7 away and their best player no showed the biggest game of his career.

That should not be a side note...that is where the conversation should start and stop.

[tpols]

Oh of course...totally agree.

I'm not arguing against that...you know I agree with it and you know what I think of the East.

However, focusing on that stuff is a distraction for what really happened ultimately. And that is that he Warriors choked game 7 away and their best player no showed the biggest game of his career.

That should not be a side note...that is where the conversation should start and stop.

i think this thread is focusing on paths to the finals since OP didnt mention the Finals themselves.. but I agree curry choked big time and has to come back strong

[DMAVS41]

i think this thread is focusing on paths to the finals since OP didnt mention the Finals themselves.. but I agree curry choked big time and has to come back strong

Yes, but we all know the reasons for this.

And, just in this case, I'm not sure how much it hurt the Warriors. They were far better prepared for the finals than the Cavs were.

So overall I agree with your point, but in this instance, having 1 tough series to prepare yourself for the finals really didn't do much damage.

The Cavs were clearly not ready and the Warriors basically got 2 games out of it.

[DrainMD]

Love proved he was a terrible match up against the Warriors. He struggled to find minutes vs them while healthy and they arguably played better with out him. So right there diminishes the fact that Love was missing last year, because the Cavs play the Warriors better with out him. Kyrie being out was big I will admit. But you are turning a blind eye to Curry suffering a knee injury , Iguodala's back, Bogut's knee injury, Draymond being suspended....To be honest all those are a bigger factor than Kyrie being out.

It just goes back to what I have been saying all along though

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Warriors were banged up this year

Next season both teams will probably make the finals again and we will see a rematch

Your thread is based on the entire playoffs, not just the finals. And Love was out for everything after the first round. We can talk just the finals if you want.

Like I said everyone is banged up, but outside of Bogut they can still play. A banged up team that can still be on the floor is better than having a core player on the injury list.

You didn't answer my question about why you are making these threads.

[Bankaii]

I'm not insulting you I'm just quoting your previous posting history, if you think that is an insult then it speaks volumes about how you yourself knows that you don't know shit about ball

let that sink in for a second...

Steph Curry will score a point in the last 6 mins of a game 7 in a few seasons probably, next season won't even go to 7 games because the Warriors will have beaten them before that
0-5, 0 points, costly turnover.
0/22.


:roll:

[Rocketswin2013]

i just dont know how anyone with a brain can compare lebron ****ing james to steph curry at this point.

[bobeticus]

Warriorfan defending every bit of post...

https://themaindamie.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/leonidas-death.jpg

:facepalm

[funnystuff]

I actually thought HOU, POR, and OKC were the bigger joke.
This. Warriorsfan grasping for straws at this point

[warriorfan]

OKC was a joke? After what we saw from Detroit, ATL, and the Raptors?

:facepalm

[Cali Syndicate]

Why are people discrediting warriors championship last year? It's not like the cavs dominated the warriors with a healthy cast this time around. In fact, it looked like a warriors back to back until both lebron and kyrie stepped up playing outside their minds with curry playing well under his standards. Let's be real, no one saw that coming. It's not act like coming back from 3-1 is some common feat.

[WayOfWad3]

In trying to be objective, the Eastern conference was easier for the Cavs than the west was for the Warriors, with the only reason being OKC. Warriorfan and everyone need to be honest and admit that Houston was the worst team in the entire playoffs, just an absolute joke of a team. Portland was decent, but definitely not contender status, they caught lucky breaks throughout the year and during the playoffs. The Thunder though should have beaten Golden State, they were just trumped by the greatness of the Warriors (yep, they're a great team with great players). OKC would maul every team the Cavs faced; the only comparable team would be the Raptors, but I watched Toronto in the playoffs and I was thoroughly delighted/disgusted by the horrible play of their stars (because I'm a Heat fan). The harder path to the finals goes to the Warriors. That being said, the Cavs had the harder path to the championship. We're the Warriors tired? Yeah, who wouldn't be after going 73-9? Were they banged up? Absolutely; Curry's knee, Bogut's knee, Klay's calf, Iguodala's back, Green's maturity, lots of injuries. However they had this series in the bag, they were up 3-1. History showed us that there was a 0% chance of them losing, literally just a big fat zero. That's why this series win for the Cavs made their run that much harder, they did something (insanely hard) that no-one on history had ever done, and in the playoffs!

Tldr:
Warriors had harder conference, Cavs had harder title

[Gougou]

Detroit: 44-38
Atlanta: 48-34
Toronto: 56-26

Houston: 41-41
Portland: 44-38
Oklahoma: 55-27

Next.

Yeah but regular season record doesn't mean anything in the playoffs tho.

[AirBonner]

all things considered. Raptors actually played them pretty well.

[DMAVS41]

OKC was a joke? After what we saw from Detroit, ATL, and the Raptors?

:facepalm

What damage did that series do?

I think any objective poster realizes that the Thunder were a tougher team to beat in the playoffs than the Raptors.

But why do you think it was such a negative? The Warriors came into the finals battle tested. They roasted the Cavs the first 2 games with ease as the Cavs were clearly not ready for the intensity and strength of an elite team.

How did playing 1 tough series before the finals hurt the Warriors so much?

If anything the harder road to the finals this year helped the Warriors...it didn't hurt them.

We all know what you are doing...and in general you have a point. Unfortunately it doesn't hold this year...like at all. The Warriors had 1 real series. You are acting like this was a blood bath having to beat the Blazers and Rockets...it wasn't. They won in 5 games each series and could do so without the MVP as well.

They lost in the finals because Curry didn't show. Kyrie roasted him for the most part in terms of impact and in the biggest game of his career...he crumbled.

What is funny...is how much shit you gave Draymond all year...and he showed up and played an all time great game 7...while your boy looked like a college player out there.

That is why they lost...nothing else needs to be said.

[warriorfan]

What damage did that series do?

I think any objective poster realizes that the Thunder were a tougher team to beat in the playoffs than the Raptors.

But why do you think it was such a negative? The Warriors came into the finals battle tested. They roasted the Cavs the first 2 games with ease as the Cavs were clearly not ready for the intensity and strength of an elite team.

How did playing 1 tough series before the finals hurt the Warriors so much?

If anything the harder road to the finals this year helped the Warriors...it didn't hurt them.

We all know what you are doing...and in general you have a point. Unfortunately it doesn't hold this year...like at all. The Warriors had 1 real series. You are acting like this was a blood bath having to beat the Blazers and Rockets...it wasn't. They won in 5 games each series and could do so without the MVP as well.

They lost in the finals because Curry didn't show. Kyrie roasted him for the most part in terms of impact and in the biggest game of his career...he crumbled.

What is funny...is how much shit you gave Draymond all year...and he showed up and played an all time great game 7...while your boy looked like a college player out there.

That is why they lost...nothing else needs to be said.

Your battle test theory is bullshit. According to you it's easier to be an 8th seed and face all the hardest team because it gets the team "battle tested".

:roll:

[livinglegend]

Your battle test theory is bullshit. According to you it's easier to be an 8th seed and face all the hardest team because it gets the team "battle tested".

:roll:

No it's not bullshit.
2012 heat is a good example of that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm all about East vs West disparity and the NBA stepping in by removing conferences, but it affecting the Cavs and Warriors series? Nah. Honestly...it really didn't even matter.

LeBron destroyed Curry and played up to his maximum potential. Only 1, maybe 2 perimeter players in history could do what LeBron did.

[lilteapot]

Toronto was an ECF team, why are you comparing them to the first round of the Western Conference? :lol

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto

Lol, you really are clueless.

Houston was easily the worst team in the playoffs with the least amount of talent. And the Warriors still lost a game to them.

Detroit is better constructed top to bottom, better coached, and has more talent.

Besides, none of that matters now. The Cavs beat the Warriors, fair and square, and I seem to recall you never giving the Cavs a chance to win.

[warriorfan]

Lol, you really are clueless.

Houston was easily the worst team in the playoffs with the least amount of talent. And the Warriors still lost a game to them.

Detroit is better constructed top to bottom, better coached, and has more talent.

Besides, none of that matters now. The Cavs beat the Warriors, fair and square, and I seem to recall you never giving the Cavs a chance to win.

Detroit's talent shit the bed in the playoffs. Remember Reggie Jacksons out of control play and Drummonds disappearing act? Pistons are pretenders, Houston is the team with talent with Harden and Dwight. Those guys are much better playoff performers than Reggie Jackson and Drummond.

I didn't give the Cavs a chance to win. I could not foresee Draymond getting suspended and both Iguodala and Bogut to come down with injury

Like I said before

Last year Cavs were banged up

This year the Warriors were

Next season will be one hell of a rematch

[AintNoSunshine]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Any semi decent DLeague team would have beaten HOU, the way they were imploding.

OKC was the only real team they faced and no surprised they almost lost, before KD and RW outchoked them

[DMAVS41]

Detroit's talent shit the bed in the playoffs. Remember Reggie Jacksons out of control play and Drummonds disappearing act? Pistons are pretenders, Houston is the team with talent with Harden and Dwight. Those guys are much better playoff performers than Reggie Jackson and Drummond.

I didn't give the Cavs a chance to win. I could not foresee Draymond getting suspended and both Iguodala and Bogut to come down with injury

Like I said before

Last year Cavs were banged up

This year the Warriors were

Next season will be one hell of a rematch

I thought those guys weren't that good? I thought Draymond wasn't that good....it's what you screamed at us all year.

Also, did you envision Curry getting raped by Kyrie Irving and shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career? You see that coming?

[warriorfan]

I thought those guys weren't that good? I thought Draymond wasn't that good....it's what you screamed at us all year.

Also, did you envision Curry getting raped by Kyrie Irving and shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career? You see that coming?

Curry didn't get raped by Kyrie, Curry was injured and Kyrie got to play off of LeBron James while Curry had Klay Thompson black hole chucking.

To be honest after your ridiculous "battle test" theory (where it helps teams to have a tougher road in the playoffs, :oldlol:) I am done with you and your nonsense takes.

[DMAVS41]

Your battle test theory is bullshit. According to you it's easier to be an 8th seed and face all the hardest team because it gets the team "battle tested".

:roll:

Nope. Straw man position.

If you read my actual response to you...you would have seen that I agreed that a tougher road to the finals can make it much harder to win for a variety of reasons.

This year, that just happened to not be the case.

For starters...the Rockets and Blazers are not noteworthy. They are sweeps or 5 game series...they do nothing to make life difficult on a team like the Warriors.

Now, the Thunder did, but it was only 1 series. Having to play 1 hard series out of three to make the finals is not a tough road. And it actually had positives. The Warriors were ready to play and were battle tested...they knew they could face great adversity and come through. They knew that had just overcome a hot team that just dismantled an all time great regular season Spurs team.

Playing 17 games to reach the finals is not absurd. It happens..

Now, if you have to play 20 games and have to face 3 really good to great teams. I'm all with you, but that didn't happen.

So stop using it as an excuse...it didn't play a role. Quite frankly, the Warriors might have lost earlier if the Cavs faced better competition in the East because after game 2...the Cavs destroyed your Warriors.

[DMAVS41]

Curry didn't get raped by Kyrie, Curry was injured and Kyrie got to play off of LeBron James while Curry had Klay Thompson black hole chucking.

To be honest after your ridiculous "battle test" theory (where it helps teams to have a tougher road in the playoffs, :oldlol:) I am done with you and your nonsense takes.

You didn't address my actual position. You lied about my position so you could argue against something fake.

Telltale sign of weakness in an argument.

Nobody watched that series and thought Curry played better than Kyrie. Call that what you want...

Your boy got outplayed by Kyrie and then shit the bed in the biggest game of his life. Every conversation about why the Warriors lost should start and stop with that.

The other stuff matters, but not more than that. If Curry had come to play...the Warriors are champs right now. And that is how it should be...that is how the players want it anyway. You play great...you win. You don't...you lose.

Not hard.

[warriorfan]

This message is hidden because DMAVS41 is on your ignore list.

Dmav's world, where the worse a teams playoff seed is, the better it is, because it gets the team "battle tested"

:roll:

[livinglegend]

DAMN! That was worldclass ownage by DMAVS :applause:

[Cali Syndicate]

Your battle test theory is bullshit. According to you it's easier to be an 8th seed and face all the hardest team because it gets the team "battle tested".

:roll:

The warriors came off winning three straight elimination games. All the momentum and confidence was on their side and they should have all been on cloud 9 on that point, as they were seeing that they were up 3-1 in the finals.

ebron and kyrie beastd. Curry choked.

[DMAVS41]

We really need a logic lesson or proper debate lesson for quite a few posters here.

The dumb**** doesn't realize that I already agreed with him about the tougher road if it was a really hard road. But playing 1 hard series to reach the finals is normal. That is what is supposed to happen.

God damn this forum is a ****ing dumpster fire lately

[warriorfan]

The warriors came off winning there straight elimination games. All the momentum and confidence was on their side and they should have all been on cloud 9 on that point, as they were seeing that they were up 3-1 in the finals.

ebron and kyrie beastd. Curry choked.

So its better for a team to play harder teams that go more games because it gives them momentum?

:roll:

You and Dmavs are too much

I'm waiting for you guys to mail Adam Silver and let him know that the playoff seeding is actually completely wrong and the top record should actually play the 2nd seed in the first round due to momentum and "battle testing" advantages

:roll:

[livinglegend]

The warriors came off winning three straight elimination games. All the momentum and confidence was on their side and they should have all been on cloud 9 on that point, as they were seeing that they were up 3-1 in the finals.

ebron and kyrie beastd. Curry choked.

he s trolling.
He knows Curry choked hard and gsw lost because of that.
He is trolling with these bs reasons to stay relevant in the forum discussions ( the only place in his life where he is somewhat relevant).

[DMAVS41]

The warriors came off winning three straight elimination games. All the momentum and confidence was on their side and they should have all been on cloud 9 on that point, as they were seeing that they were up 3-1 in the finals.

ebron and kyrie beastd. Curry choked.

Bingo.

And they weren't pushed for the first 2 rounds either. They did not have a tough enough road to the finals to make these kind of arguments.

Tougher than the Cavs? Hell yea, but guess what...it helped them be ready...the Cavs looked like a joke in the first 2 games.

They didn't "show up"...and why? Because they had gone like 6 weeks without being tested as a team for real.

[Cali Syndicate]

So its better for a team to play harder teams that go more games because it gives them momentum?

:roll:

You and Dmavs are too much

Their focus and mindset would be on point after a series like that going into the finals as opposed to an easy 4 game sweep against weak competition.

[warriorfan]

Bingo.

And they weren't pushed for the first 2 rounds either. They did not have a tough enough road to the finals to make these kind of arguments.

Tougher than the Cavs? Hell yea, but guess what...it helped them be ready...the Cavs looked like a joke in the first 2 games.

They didn't "show up"...and why? Because they had gone like 6 weeks without being tested as a team for real.

Cavaliers didn't show up the first two games because they played Golden State at home while Golden State had Healthy Bogut, Healthy Iguodala, and Draymond Green. Not because they were not "battle tested"

Cavaliers won their home games and then Draymond got a bogus suspension, Bogut's Knee got taken out by JR Smith, and Iguodala's back gave out on him.

That was the reason for the tide changing of the series

[DMAVS41]

Their focus and mindset would be on point after a series like that going into the finals as opposed to an easy 4 game sweep against weak competition.

Exactly.

It is one thing to play 3 straight hard fought series and be mentally and physically drained.

But to have two...five game series in which losing never entered the equation and one tough series...and complain?

LOL...bitch made

[warriorfan]

Their focus and mindset would be on point after a series like that going into the finals as opposed to an easy 4 game sweep against weak competition.

So sweeping weak teams is a disadvantage?

When are you going to hit up Adam Silver and let him know the NBA's seeding is completely wrong and the top seeds are at a disadvantage because they get easy sweeps to the Finals....and that is somehow a bad thing....

:roll:

[DMAVS41]

Cavaliers didn't show up the first two games because they played Golden State at home while Golden State had Healthy Bogut, Healthy Iguodala, and Draymond Green. Not because they were not "battle tested"

Cavaliers won their home games and then Draymond got a bogus suspension, Bogut's Knee got taken out by JR Smith, and Iguodala's back gave out on him.

That was the reason for the tide changing of the series

A few things;

1. I disagree. The Cavs looked shell shocked to be playing a great team like the Warriors in a way you don't normally see a team as capable as the Cavs looking. I think it was a direct result of playing far inferior competition for 6 weeks without having to really ramp it up.

2. Completely agree that the Draymond suspension was a huge factor in the series and the Warriors likely win without it.

3. That does not change the fact that Curry got outplayed by Kyrie in the series...and went ghost in the biggest game of his career to date.

4. I thought i was on ignore.

[DMAVS41]

So sweeping weak teams is a disadvantage?

When are you going to hit up Adam Silver and let him know the NBA's seeding is completely wrong and the top seeds are at a disadvantage because they get easy sweeps to the Finals....and that is somehow a bad thing....

:roll:

Playing weak teams leading into the finals absolutely can be a disadvantage.

The playoffs are long. You think not being tested in games for 6 weeks makes you physically and mentally prepared to play an elite force in the finals?

If you'd listen to me you'd see that I agree without you about how having a tough road can be a big negative. But there is a spectrum of this.

Playing 3 hard series is a lot harder than playing 1.

You make it sound like the Warriors had an impossible road to the finals.

They played 1 team capable of pushing them. They had homecourt throughout.

That is not something of note.

And in this case, I think the harder road to the finals helped them against the Cavs...not hurt them.

If they had to play both the Thunder and Spurs...it likely would have hurt them. In fact, they probably don't even make the finals so it would have hurt them a lot.

So please read my posts before you completely straw man my arguments....I was agreeing with you overall.

[FLDFSU]

the negatives of potentially getting knocked out early far outweigh any experience gained factor .. and while the warriors had an easy path last year, that was an anomaly for the West. Most years you have to go through hell and stars need to be on their A game just to make the Finals. This has not been the case for Bron led teams. Out east, Wade could play like shit in the conference finals (2011, 2013) or Cavs could be missing Love and injured kyrie yet still sweep to the Finals. And then it becomes a crap shoot, with the team from the West already having blown one of their loads just to earn the right to play in the Finals while the East squad is fully loaded and fresh.

You know what your reward is for making it through the "hell and stars need to be on their A game just to make the Finals?" The winner of the "weakest conference of all time."

Your reward for getting through the "gauntlet" that is the West is to play and destroy "the most weaker East."

Again, if you are the University of Georgia Football team don't tell me how you would have destroyed the weak ACC or Norte Dame or Ohio State in the Championship game. LEARN TO BEAT ALABAMA!

As for the Warriors, at the end of the day, they PROVED they were not the best team in the NBA this season. If they played the Cavs in the first round, they would not even have made it to round two.

[Gileraracer]

Yeah lebron had a cakewalk. Again.

[DMAVS41]

You know what your reward is for making it through the "hell and stars need to be on their A game just to make the Finals?" The winner of the "weakest conference of all time."

Your reward for getting through the "gauntlet" that is the West is to play and destroy "the most weaker East."

Again, if you are the University of Georgia Football team don't tell me how you would have destroyed the weak ACC or Norte Dame or Ohio State in the Championship game. LEARN TO BEAT ALABAMA!

As for the Warriors, at the end of the day, they PROVED they were not the best team in the NBA this season. If they played the Cavs in the first round, they would not even have made it to round two.

I agree the Warriors proved they were not the best team, but the best team does not always win.

I'd be careful proclaiming the Cavs as victors here in every circumstance like playing the Warriors in round 1. This series could not have been tighter. It went down to the final minute of a game 7. If Kyrie misses that shot, who knows, the Warriors might win.

When the margins are that thin...I don't think we can say such strong things. Especially when Draymond wouldn't have gotten suspended in the first round for the upgraded flagrant because he wouldn't have had accumulated enough points by then to warrant the automatic suspension.

Lastly, the East being really weak is about the teams outside the Cavs. I'm not sure why you struggle so much with his concept. The Cavs could be the best team of all time...and the conference outside of them would still suck. It's about the competition the best team is playing...

And that doesn't mean the best team in a terrible conference isn't great. Again, I have personally tried to explain this to you a number of times. I'm not sure what you aren't getting...or you are purposely being stubborn like you are about stars not wanting to go to the Cavs or why LMA doesn't take as much heat as Lebron.

[houston]

They faced about the same level comp. so it no excuses

Plus each year by year teams are different. This year Cavs factors different coach, different role players etc...

Love played weak in the Finals but damn through with near double double and good defense in game 7. He still the team second best player behind Lebron.

LOL @ Bogut excuse is a fair one but hell that bench him last year for the famous "death line up":roll: With Draymond being a better player this year than last year.. Hell Curry supposed even being better player than last year.

[CavsLebronMo]

Yeah lebron had a cakewalk. Again.
down 1-3 against a 73-9 team is a cakewalk?

[Gileraracer]

down 1-3 against a 73-9 team is a cakewalk?

Yeah, a cakewalk to the finals.

And then Bogut, Iggy and Steph got injured. So another cakewalk.

[Hey Yo]

Cavaliers didn't show up the first two games because they played Golden State at home while Golden State had Healthy Bogut, Healthy Iguodala, and Draymond Green. Not because they were not "battle tested"

Cavaliers won their home games and then Draymond got a bogus suspension, Bogut's Knee got taken out by JR Smith, and Iguodala's back gave out on him.

That was the reason for the tide changing of the series
Cavs lost game 4 at home, which put them down 1-3 in the series.

GS then proceeded to provide the NBA with the biggest choke job in history.

[warriorfan]

Cavs lost game 4 at home, which put them down 1-3 in the series.

GS then proceeded to provide the NBA with the biggest choke job in history.

If Draymond doesn't get suspended, Cavaliers are not winning the series

[DMAVS41]

If Draymond doesn't get suspended, Cavaliers are not winning the series

Agreed. We don't know for sure, but most likely that is accurate.

That does not change the fact that Curry got outplayed by Kyrie badly over the last 5 games of the series and didn't show up in the biggest game of his career...and then went complete ghost in crunch time in a game 7 at home.

Notice how you only mention other stuff. Notice how the Warriors still had the title on a platter if Curry shows up.

[warriorfan]

Agreed. We don't know for sure, but most likely that is accurate.

That does not change the fact that Curry got outplayed by Kyrie badly over the last 5 games of the series and didn't show up in the biggest game of his career...and then went complete ghost in crunch time in a game 7 at home.

Notice how you only mention other stuff. Notice how the Warriors still had the title on a platter if Curry shows up.

Curry suffered a major MCL injury during the playoff, was forced to come back earlier than the 3 week healing timetable due to Warriors being unable to beat Portland at home, and wasn't healthy for the rest of the playoffs and is still not healthy to this day. There is a good reason why he isn't playing in the Olympics. His knee needs time to heal.

[Hey Yo]

If Draymond doesn't get suspended, Cavaliers are not winning the series
If Love and Kyrie were available last year, we're talking B2B titless + the biggest choke job in NBA Postseason history

See how easy it is to speculate?

[warriorfan]

If Love and Kyrie were available last year, we're talking B2B titless + the biggest choke job in NBA Postseason history

See how easy it is to speculate?

Love proved he was not valuable to the Cavaliers against the Warriors....He struggled to find minutes in the rotation this year while healthy and the Cavaliers started winning as soon as his minutes were reduced.

If Kyrie was 100% last year that would of been huge as he performed very well this year. Keep in mind that Curry would be 100% too and would of feasted on Kyrie's defense. Having to go with Shumpert and Delly was effective in slowing down Curry. (Curry still put up 26 ppg on 59% TS). You remember how good Delly played Curry last year. If Kyrie was getting those minutes instead of Delladova...safe to say Curry would of went off big time.

We already have seen both teams when 100% healthy...

Golden State has dominated them every time.

[DMAVS41]

Curry suffered a major MCL injury during the playoff, was forced to come back earlier than the 3 week healing timetable due to Warriors being unable to beat Portland at home, and wasn't healthy for the rest of the playoffs and is still not healthy to this day. There is a good reason why he isn't playing in the Olympics. His knee needs time to heal.

It was not major...I agree it's a factor, but it was not major.

You can't look asshealthy and good as he did the last three games of the OKC series...and tell me he's had a major injury and is clearly hobbled.

33/7/8 65% TS against a team playing as great as the Thunder...and you are telling me he's majorly injured?

Sorry...come back to reality.

That isn't how major injuries work. At some point he has to be held accountable for no showing the majority of the last 5 games of that series when his team really needed him. Maybe he thought it was going to be easy after games 1 and 2. Maybe Kyrie was better than he thought. Maybe the mental toll was too much after a long season...etc.

Not majorly injured though.

He got outplayed by Kyrie and choked hard in game 7. Hard for any team to win when your best player does that.

[warriorfan]

It was not major...I agree it's a factor, but it was not major.

You can't look asshealthy and good as he did the last three games of the OKC series...and tell me he's had a major injury and is clearly hobbled.

33/7/8 65% TS against a team playing as great as the Thunder...and you are telling me he's majorly injured?

Sorry...come back to reality.

That isn't how major injuries work. At some point he has to be held accountable for no showing the majority of the last 5 games of that series. Maybe he thought it was going to be easy after games 1 and 2. Maybe Kyrie was better than he thought. Maybe the mental toll was too much after a long season...etc.

Not majorly injured though.

He got outplayed by Kyrie and choked hard in game 7. Hard for any team to win when your best player does that.

Curry was not 100%

Watch Curry regular season 2015, 2016, 2015 playoffs

His explosiveness and change of direction were not nearly the same after coming back from his knee injury in the 2016 playoffs

You think after years all of a sudden Curry was unable to lose people off the dribble? You gonna ignore the fact that it coincides exactly with the time where he is forced to come back too soon from a major MCL injury and then plays 40 minutes of playoff basketball a night?

You need to come back to reality here.

[Dray n Klay]

Curry was healthy


No other player enjoyed a 2 week vacation in the middle of the playoffs



I could argue Curry was the healthiest player on either team due to the rest he got.


Trust me, I had a MCL sprain 2 days ago, and didn't feel a thing.

[DMAVS41]

Curry was not 100%

Watch Curry regular season 2015, 2016, 2015 playoffs

His explosiveness and change of direction were not nearly the same after coming back from his knee injury in the 2016 playoffs

You think after years all of a sudden Curry was unable to lose people off the dribble? You gonna ignore the fact that it coincides exactly with the time where he is forced to come back too soon from a major MCL injury and then plays 40 minutes of playoff basketball a night?

You need to come back to reality here.

Can you please not straw man.

Where did I say he was 100%? In fact, in my above post I said it was a factor.

So, please, if we are going to debate and discuss...please don't just knowingly misrepresent my position just to argue an easy point I didn't make.

The problem for you here is that nobody is 100%. Nobody. At best the main guys are in the 90's somewhere...

So acting like 100% is the barometer...is both flawed and disingenuous.

Another problem for you is that generally people with major injuries aren' capable of playing 120 minutes over 5 days and looking as healthy and good as Curry did against the Thunder.

Lastly, even if Curry was quite diminished...he still played his worst game in the finals given the circumstances...in the biggest game of the finals.

So on all fronts...it's bad.

You tell me to watch him in the playoffs last year. I did...he was great overall. He also happened to play a bunch of nobodies that were injured his entire run. I happened to watch when he was struggling with a bunch of role players in the finals last year. So much so that nobody that voted thought he earned enough to their vote for most valuable.

He's played 2 finals and he's failed to play well enough to get 1 finals mvp vote. Sorry, that isn't all based on a minor injury...in which he had already overcome to dominate against the Thunder the last 3 games.

[warriorfan]

Can you please not straw man.

Where did I say he was 100%? In fact, in my above post I said it was a factor.

So, please, if we are going to debate and discuss...please don't just knowingly misrepresent my position just to argue an easy point I didn't make.

The problem for you here is that nobody is 100%. Nobody. At best the main guys are in the 90's somewhere...

So acting like 100% is the barometer...is both flawed and disingenuous.

Another problem for you is that generally people with major injuries aren' capable of playing 120 minutes over 5 days and looking as healthy and good as Curry did against the Thunder.

Lastly, even if Curry was quite diminished...he still played his worst game in the finals...in the biggest game of the finals.

So on all fronts...it's bad.

Watch Curry from the last 2 years prior MCL injury

Watch him after

If you cannot see the night and day difference I don't know what to tell you

[Nilocon165]

Watch Curry from the last 2 years prior MCL injury

Watch him after

If you cannot see the night and day difference I don't know what to tell you
We get it. He plays worse under pressure.

[DMAVS41]

Watch Curry from the last 2 years prior MCL injury

Watch him after

If you cannot see the night and day difference I don't know what to tell you

Night and day?

I watched him torch the hottest team in the league...going against Westbrook to the tune of 120 minutes and 33/7/8 65% TS the last 3 games of that series.

Night and day?

**** no...he was amazing in those 3 games and he looked great health wise.

Not 100%, but again, false narrative...nobody is close to 100%.

[jayfan]

Houston > Det
Portland > Atlanta
OKC > Toronto

OKC was the best team either team faced, I'll give you that. The rest is a wash. Frankly, I'd take Detroit over Houston and Atlanta over Portland in 7 game series'.



.

[Jasper]

Curry is older than he looks ...
Going through the West isn't harder than the East...

Houston was never considered a playoff team

[ralph_i_el]

out of DET, ATL, TOR, HOU, POR, and OKC......only OKC is a contender-level squad. Warriors only faced slightly harder competition on their way to the finals

[warriorfan]

out of DET, ATL, TOR, HOU, POR, and OKC......only OKC is a contender-level squad. Warriors only faced slightly harder competition on their way to the finals

OKC only slightly better than Raptors?

:coleman:

[LilEddyCurry]

Dodged the healthy Clippers.

[Lebron23]

Curry was healthy


No other player enjoyed a 2 week vacation in the middle of the playoffs



I could argue Curry was the healthiest player on either team due to the rest he got.


Trust me, I had a MCL sprain 2 days ago, and didn't feel a thing.


This

Curry mentally fold in the NBA Finals.

[RedBlackAttack]

God, this discussion sucks.

[DMAVS41]

God, this discussion sucks.

Anything to take away from the Cavs (really Lebron) winning...and prevent Curry from ever getting any negative heat at all.

Rinse and repeat.

So stupid...Curry goes absolutely nuts against the Thunder with his back against the wall...and then a week later apparently he's "majorly injured"...

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

Is beating HOU and POR supposed to be impressive?

[DMAVS41]

Is beating HOU and POR supposed to be impressive?

No. Nobody thinks it's of note. Nobody. They had it so easy that they didn't have to worry about their best player and MVP of the league coming back until the WCF.

To act like they had a super tough road that negatively impacted them in the finals is a joke.

You could argue that the long season...going for 73 wins...etc....that took a toll, but not the other stuff. And nobody here defending the Warriors brings up the 73 wins because they did it to themselves.

[Hey Yo]

Anything to take away from the Cavs (really Lebron) winning...and prevent Curry from ever getting any negative heat at all.

Rinse and repeat.

So stupid...Curry goes absolutely nuts against the Thunder with his back against the wall...and then a week later apparently he's "majorly injured"...

:facepalm
Is that you Jeff van Gundy?

[Cali Syndicate]

Curry was healthy


No other player enjoyed a 2 week vacation in the middle of the playoffs



I could argue Curry was the healthiest player on either team due to the rest he got.


Trust me, I had a MCL sprain 2 days ago, and didn't feel a thing.

Two weeks restricting his movements and exercise causing atrophy in the most important and intense time of the seaon is a good thing? It was apparent curry wasn't the same coming back from his break but it wasn't due to injury, it was his conditioning that took a hit.

[warriorfan]

Two weeks restricting his movements and exercise causing atrophy in the most important and intense time of the seaon is a good thing? It was apparent curry wasn't the same coming back from his break but it wasn't due to injury, it was his conditioning that took a hit.

Whatever it is, a conditioning issue, or a re-aggravation issue, at least you can admit that Curry wasn't his normal self after that injury. Like I said before, watch any tapes of Curry 2015 or 2016 before the injury, he has way more ability to change direction and a lot more explosiveness.

[Hey Yo]

http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BIL-CURRY-OT.jpg

[DMAVS41]

Whatever it is, a conditioning issue, or a re-aggravation issue, at least you can admit that Curry wasn't his normal self after that injury. Like I said before, watch any tapes of Curry 2015 or 2016 before the injury, he has way more ability to change direction and a lot more explosiveness.

There is a difference between being a little run down and not fully yourself...and being majorly injured.

You have been arguing that he was majorly injured.

[Sportal]

And who and what did GSW beat to win their only championship again?

[warriorfan]

http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BIL-CURRY-OT.jpg

That was the game where he re-aggravated the MCL injury by coming back too soon and playing too hard on it...He didn't really have a choice however because the Warriors were unable to win at Portland without him.

[DMAVS41]

That was the game where he re-aggravated the MCL injury by coming back too soon and playing too hard on it...He didn't really have a choice however because the Warriors were unable to win at Portland without him.

How did he destroy the Thunder like that those last 3 games if he r-aggravated a major injury against Portland?

[Cali Syndicate]

http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/BIL-CURRY-OT.jpg

It's called adrenaline. Curry was out two weeks, hungry on the bench and came back and all that emotion and adrenaline carried him through. Curry hypes himself up with emotion and the crowd. hate or love it, that's how he is and that's what he did with the yelling I'm back.. He was only supposed to play like 25 minutes that game. I'm sure his body was exhausted the next day and imo his recovery time became an issue the rest of the playoffs. No excuses though, especially in the finals. I'm just calling it the way I saw it. His game to game effort did not resemble anything like what we saw in the regular season nor even from last season through the playoffs.

[FLDFSU]

I agree the Warriors proved they were not the best team, but the best team does not always win.

I'd be careful proclaiming the Cavs as victors here in every circumstance like playing the Warriors in round 1. This series could not have been tighter. It went down to the final minute of a game 7. If Kyrie misses that shot, who knows, the Warriors might win.

When the margins are that thin...I don't think we can say such strong things. Especially when Draymond wouldn't have gotten suspended in the first round for the upgraded flagrant because he wouldn't have had accumulated enough points by then to warrant the automatic suspension.

Lastly, the East being really weak is about the teams outside the Cavs. I'm not sure why you struggle so much with his concept. The Cavs could be the best team of all time...and the conference outside of them would still suck. It's about the competition the best team is playing...

And that doesn't mean the best team in a terrible conference isn't great. Again, I have personally tried to explain this to you a number of times. I'm not sure what you aren't getting...or you are purposely being stubborn like you are about stars not wanting to go to the Cavs or why LMA doesn't take as much heat as Lebron.

And do you know what I call the greatest team in a weak conference? The Champions. Do you know what I call the greatest team in a strong conference? The Champions.

The NBA playoffs is not about determining the second best team only the best. And over the course of a 7 game series you prove youare the better team. So unless you want to have 10 month playoffs where every team plays each other, you have no idea if the Raptors or the Heat or the Pistons aren't the next four best teams in the league. You are simply assuming (based on good evidence granted but an assumption nonetheless ) that the West is beating up on each other.

You and I genuinely disagree about a number of basketball related topics. Like Justice Thomas and Justice Ginsburg we probably just fundamentally approach problems differently.

[Bigsmoke]

You are putting too much weight in regular season games

Warriors kicked the shit out of the Cavaliers in the regular season too, does that mean Warriors > Cavaliers?

Houston was having chemistry problems after getting rid of McHale but they are the much more talented team. Houston > Detroit in a 7 game series every time, Drummond and Reggie Jackson are not playoff ready as they showed us this postseason.

U need chemistry to do well in the post season dummy

[warriorfan]

U need chemistry to do well in the post season dummy

No shit that is why I was saying it's stupid to say that DET > HOU because of a couple of regular season games

:facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

Love proved he was a terrible match up against the Warriors. He struggled to find minutes vs them while healthy and they arguably played better with out him. So right there diminishes the fact that Love was missing last year, because the Cavs play the Warriors better with out him. Kyrie being out was big I will admit. But you are turning a blind eye to Curry suffering a knee injury , Iguodala's back, Bogut's knee injury, Draymond being suspended....To be honest all those are a bigger factor than Kyrie being out.

It just goes back to what I have been saying all along though

Cavaliers were banged up last year

Warriors were banged up this year

Next season both teams will probably make the finals again and we will see a rematch

In what world is Bogut for 2 games = Love and Kyrie out 6 and 5 games?


just admit that your team lost and STFU

[warriorfan]

In what world is Bogut for 2 games = Love and Kyrie out 6 and 5 games?


just admit that your team lost and STFU

In what world did I say Bogut for 2 games = Love and Kryie out for 6 and 5 games?

You forgot about, Draymond Green

You forgot about, Steph Curry

You forgot about, Andre Iguodala

All of those players were battling injury or were flat out suspended

To be honest, shut the **** up, you are stupid as hell for real

[Bigsmoke]

In what world did I say Bogut for 2 games = Love and Kryie out for 6 and 5 games?

You forgot about, Draymond Green

You forgot about, Steph Curry

You forgot about, Andre Iguodala

All of those players were battling injury or were flat out suspended

To be honest, shut the **** up, you are stupid as hell for real

Shumpert was playing hurt last year:rolleyes:

Green didn't get hurt... He punch lebron in the balls. That has northing to do with bad luck or anything lime that. Green f*cked himself over and only lebron haters/warriors stans use that as an excuse to downplay the Cavaliers championship

[Ai2death]

In what world did I say Bogut for 2 games = Love and Kryie out for 6 and 5 games?

You forgot about, Draymond Green

You forgot about, Steph Curry

You forgot about, Andre Iguodala

All of those players were battling injury or were flat out suspended

To be honest, shut the **** up, you are stupid as hell for real

Man, this salt train is still going :rolleyes:

[riseagainst]

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Curry

[warriorfan]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/m_8DziMFB8s/maxresdefault.jpg

[Bigsmoke]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/m_8DziMFB8s/maxresdefault.jpg

And?