Is Ben Simmons a better passer than Bron?

[KingPush]

I just watched this mixtape and his passing is brazy fam. His handles arent as good as Lebron but his the passes he made :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTFJ7RzBla4

[Nilocon165]

:kobe:

[raprap]

He looks huge in a highschool game :eek:

[FireDavidKahn]

:oldlol:

No.

[hateraid]

How fitting they use the score from Rocky

I'm so jacked to have this guy

[Lebronxrings]

i don't even think his passing is better than magics

[StateProperty]

i don't even think his passing is better than magics
Not even better than the all time assists per game leader? Scrub.

[FireDavidKahn]

:biggums:

[noob cake]

Simmons passing is barely average NBA PG level. LeBron is top 3 in the league.

[pauk]

Not sure how serious.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA

Lebrons passing skills & court vision is some of the best i have ever seen, certainly the best from non-pgs (him & Larry Bird), you could make hours long video of him making just crazy passes, not talking about those flashy passes, those no look / behind the back / handofs everybody can make, im talking about passes that thread the needle, pass that blasts thru entire defense, hands, legs, noses, ears & then right into the hands of a surprised teammate under the hoop (something Magic Johnson was the king at).

[tmacattack33]

Simmons has excellent vision from what i've seen.

I also saw this video though where it says he likes to make cool passes way too much and ends up making a lot of bad passes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvF_1fXJxJc

Lebron is top 3 in the NBA in terms of passing. He's not always super flashy with it though (in terms of how he physically makes the pass - a chest pass versus a no look one handed pass in the air while screaming for example).

[pauk]

Simmons passing is barely average NBA PG level. LeBron is top 3 in the league.



Lebron is top 3 in the NBA in terms of passing.


May i ask who those other 2 are? With Steve Nash & Jason Kidd gone i dont think there is anybody in the league who possess the passing skills & vision of Lebron today, there is guys who start PG and do nothing but dish the ball for 48 mins and hence get more assists... yes... but thats not how you measure passing ability... Pete Maravich averaged only 5 apg, but he is known as one of the best passers in NBA history, maybe the most innovative one... while a random PG dished 10 assists in game Pete made 5 assists that would just shock you.... you would force him to start PG and do nothing but pass he to would average 10+ apg and all would be more fancy/difficult passes than say 10 of what somebody like Mark Jackson would make....

Its not about quantity, its about quality... degree of difficulty.... The guy who attempted & made the biggest quantity of quality passes, with little failure, is the best passer ever (Magic Johnson).

[tmacattack33]

May i ask who those other 2 are? With Steve Nash & Jason Kidd gone i dont think there is nobody in the league who possess the passing skills & vision of Lebron today, there is guys who start PG and do nothing but dish the ball for 48 mins and hence get more assists... yes... but thats not how you measure passing ability... Pete Maravich averaged only 5 apg, but he is known as one of the best passers in NBA history, maybe the most innovative one...

I didn't say he was 3rd, I said he was in the top 3. So he could be 1.

I just don't know how to differentiate between him, CP3, and Rondo, so I leave it as either a tie or i leave it up to experts to decide...like someone who watches all three... I only watch Lebron... i might see 2 or 3 Paul and Rondo games all year.

And its also tough to make that call because they have different teammates and roles.

[plowking]

They seem to be of the same level coming into the league. I watched a fair few Simmons games this season that just passed. He clearly is very talented. Makes the same passes you saw Bron make in high school that made you say wow.

We'll see if he develops some of those quick snap wrist passes Bron became famous for when he entered the league.

[pauk]

I didn't say he was 3rd, I said he was in the top 3. So he could be 1.

I just don't know how to differentiate between him, CP3, and Rondo, so I leave it as either a tie or i leave it up to experts to decide...like someone who watches all three... I only watch Lebron... i might see 2 or 3 Paul and Rondo games all year.

And its also tough to make that call because they have different teammates and roles.

Rondo & CP3 by no means possess bad passing skills, its certainly top 3... but they only make simple fundamental passes game after game, they want to take care of the ball... with their ball control / security they are best assist men in the league, better than Lebron for sure... but they dont go around creating something out of nothing, not much degree of difficulty... thats what i think sepparates Lebron from them... you could either say CP3/Rondo dont dare to attempt such crazy passes (to not turnover) or just dont have the vision/skills to attempt such crazy angle passes...

I mean just compare some of CP3's/Rondo's Top 10-20 passes with Lebrons and you will see what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EedKXdMzm5o (take a look at especially #2)

[KingPush]

Rondo & CP3 by no means possess bad passing skills, its certainly top 3... but they only make simple fundamental passes game after game, they want to take care of the ball... with their ball control / security they are best assist men in the league, better than Lebron for sure... but they dont go around creating something out of nothing, not much degree of difficulty... thats what i think sepparates Lebron from them... you could either say CP3/Rondo dont dare to attempt such crazy passes (to not turnover) or just dont have the vision/skills to attempt such crazy angle passes...

I mean just compare some of CP3's/Rondo's Top 10-20 passes with Lebrons and you will see what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EedKXdMzm5o (take a look at especially #2)
Bro why do you use so many "..." in all your posts? :oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

Rondo & CP3 by no means possess bad passing skills, its certainly top 3... but they only make simple fundamental passes game after game, they want to take care of the ball... with their ball control / security they are best assist men in the league, better than Lebron for sure... but they dont go around creating something out of nothing, not much degree of difficulty... thats what i think sepparates Lebron from them... you could either say CP3/Rondo dont dare to attempt such crazy passes (to not turnover) or just dont have the vision/skills to attempt such crazy angle passes...

I mean just compare some of CP3's/Rondo's Top 10-20 passes with Lebrons and you will see what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EedKXdMzm5o (take a look at especially #2)

Word. Nice video. I only watched 10 and will save the next 10 for later :oldlol: , as there's no more bball this year.

During the third play on it or whatever it was, Van Gundy says "he can see the play before it happens", and that's exactly what passing vision is. And that's what Lebron can do better than 99% of players.

And that's my favorite part about the game.

[pauk]

They seem to be of the same level coming into the league. I watched a fair few Simmons games this season that just passed. He clearly is very talented. Makes the same passes you saw Bron make in high school that made you say wow.

We'll see if he develops some of those quick snap wrist passes Bron became famous for when he entered the league.

Not sure, dont think so... passing/vision is whats been the most talked about / hyped about him even years before his draft, scouting reports were all talking about & praising that, that no other than 4-5 guys have perhaps similar passing skills in NBA, that he was gona start PG and dish 10-15 uber flashy assists a game in NBA for eternity.... and he could, but he was much more than just a passer/PG (just like Magic Johnson was).

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lebron-james

"Strengths: His vision and passing skills are what sets him apart. A player with his combination of size, and point guard skills is very rare. The only player to have this in the past was Magic Johnson. There are no more than 5 players in the NBA that have the vision and passing skills of LeBron."

That was in 2002-03 mind you.... so those only other 5 guys who had the vision & passing skills of Lebron were guys like Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Jason Williams, Stockton, Payton perhaps...

[pauk]

Bro why do you use so many "..." in all your posts? :oldlol:

Its... my.... prerogative................... :pimp:

[plowking]

They are on the same level, if not Simmons being better. I'm talking about both coming into the league as rookies. The kid is ridiculous. His summer league mixtape is looking like a Magic Johnson highlight reel.

[SecondTake]

Rondo & CP3 by no means possess bad passing skills, its certainly top 3... but they only make simple fundamental passes game after game, they want to take care of the ball... with their ball control / security they are best assist men in the league, better than Lebron for sure... but they dont go around creating something out of nothing, not much degree of difficulty... thats what i think sepparates Lebron from them... you could either say CP3/Rondo dont dare to attempt such crazy passes (to not turnover) or just dont have the vision/skills to attempt such crazy angle passes...

I mean just compare some of CP3's/Rondo's Top 10-20 passes with Lebrons and you will see what i mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EedKXdMzm5o (take a look at especially #2)

Good passing means low turnovers. They dont make stupid high risk passes. Lebron is a great passer, but he's no CP3.

[r0drig0lac]

maybe...the kid is the real deal

[Velocirap31]

I'll wait until I see him in a single NBA game at least before forming an opinion. Anyone can look great in an edited youtube clip.

[tmacattack33]

I'll wait until I see him in a single NBA game at least before forming an opinion. Anyone can look great in an edited youtube clip.

Slightly true.

He's made 10 passes or so in his two summer league game so far that many wings wouldn't make in a 10 game span.

[plowking]

I'll wait until I see him in a single NBA game at least before forming an opinion. Anyone can look great in an edited youtube clip.

Ummm, these "highlights" are from two games.

His passing is on another level.

[LoveTheNBA23]

He reminds me of 6'10" Jason Kidd. Just loves getting players involved and pushing the break. Otherworldly vision. He sees passes that I don't watching from my couch. However, let's see if he can make these same passes in the regular season.

[Rojogaqu11]

At the same age... maybe. But Lebron was greater overall.
Passing is not graded only by highlights and flashy no-looks. A player has to have a willingness to share the ball (which both do), and to put in the work to understand NBA strategy (which Lebron more than does).

This rookie class might be a Bron-Melo redux year, with Ingram playing Melo's role. Even so Bron and Melo were slightly better than the new rookies.
Looking back, you can see how both Lebron and Carmelo were more NBA-ready than Simmons and Ingram. Maybe Simmons' playmaking ability and willingness, combined with his physical tools, will be an enough advantage to overcome his lack of experience in the pros to be able to be efficient and a constant mismatch.

They both are projects at the moment. They will get playing time because they will be needed this year. But as we know, depending on how their defense grows at this level will determine if they get 32+ minutes consistently.