Curry Is Still The Best Player In The League

[BeastMode24]

one bad playoff series and mediocre by his standards playoff run because he was hurt doesn't change that. Its crazy how people forget how good Curry was before the knee injury. He had arguably the goat regular season after winning mvp and leading his team to the chip (great playoff run 28 ppg on 60% TS) last year. He was also well on his way to dominating these playoffs (24 points in the first half game 1 vs the rockets) before he got hurt. People forget that when the Warriors and Cavs played on MLK when both teams were healthy Curry actually destroyed Kyrie. Curry was 12/18 for 35 points while Kyrie was 3/11 for 8 points. Curry constantly played great defense in the regular season he just couldn't in the playoffs because laterally he couldn't move as well as he used to because of the MCL injury. Can't wait till Curry is back healthy next year and destroying the league.

[feyki]

Who was better in the most important arena ?

No shame for being second best , Lebron was just better .

[DukeDelonte13]

He isn't even the best player on his team.

[Fudge]

Had GSW won it all this year, he probably wouldn't have won the FMVP for the second consecutive year. :oldlol:

Iguodala last year, and it would have probably been Draymond this year. How sad is that?

So, like another poster said above, he might not even be the best player on his team.

It's LeBron's league still, and it will stay like that for the next 3-4 years, baby.

[Hey Yo]

Still??

Never was to begin with.....

[SouBeachTalents]

You can't be a non factor the entire Finals, have a HORRENDOUS Game 7 and still be best player in the world

[CTbasketball92]

one bad playoff series and mediocre by his standards playoff run because he was hurt doesn't change that. Its crazy how people forget how good Curry was before the knee injury. He had arguably the goat regular season after winning mvp and leading his team to the chip (great playoff run 28 ppg on 60% TS) last year. He was also well on his way to dominating these playoffs (24 points in the first half game 1 vs the rockets) before he got hurt. People forget that when the Warriors and Cavs played on MLK when both teams were healthy Curry actually destroyed Kyrie. Curry was 12/18 for 35 points while Kyrie was 3/11 for 8 points. Curry constantly played great defense in the regular season he just couldn't in the playoffs because laterally he couldn't move as well as he used to because of the MCL injury. Can't wait till Curry is back healthy next year and destroying the league.


Kyrie was actually coming off of a bad knee injury where he didn't get to go through training camp, practices or games. He was very clearly out of rhythm and a step and a half slow. He didn't truly regain his form until march/april. Curry, on the other hand, was completely in rhythm and had his two weeks usually required to heal an MCL sprain, and was doing 360 dunks in layup lines and according to ESPN, was actually moving at a faster speed than he did even during the regular season. With that said, I can see how his lateral movement wasn't all the way there, but this wasn't a hobbled curry. He actually torched OKC, and destroyed Portland, and I barely heard anyone saying anything about his injuries then. He even shot 40% from three against the Cavs. He was fine, it's just that he doesn't have the physicality to create space for midrange jumpers and aggressively attack the rim as a first resort with his first step. He shot like 30% on two pointers. Curry is definitely a better player than anyone not named LeBron or durant (and westbrook/Anthony davis are debatable to me), but he's got some work to do this offseason. He'll be back to MVP form this year. But LeBron was/is/always will be the league's best player. We just won't see it until it actually matters.

[Young X]

It's tough to still call him the best because of how disappointing he was in the playoffs and especially the finals.

But I can't just ignore what he was doing for 80-90% of the season.

I don't have any problem with anybody saying he's the best. It's either him or James and then everybody else.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Was legit more nervous about Barbosa going off than Curry last series :oldlol:

[Dray n Klay]

Had GSW won it all this year, he probably wouldn't have won the FMVP for the second consecutive year. :oldlol:

Iguodala last year, and it would have probably been Draymond this year. How sad is that?

So, like another poster said above, he might not even be the best player on his team.

It's LeBron's league still, and it will stay like that for the next 3-4 years, baby.


This


:dancin

[BeastMode24]

You can't be a non factor the entire Finals, have a HORRENDOUS Game 7 and still be best player in the world

lebron was worse in the 2011 finals and he was still considered the best player in the world and at the point lebron was 0/2 in the finals with both finals being disasters. Curry at least has a chip and is coming off b2b finals runs in the superior western conference and mvps.

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron was worse in the 2011 finals and he was still considered the best player in the world and at the point lebron was 0/2 in the finals with both finals being disasters. Curry at least has a chip and is coming off b2b finals runs in the superior western conference and mvps.

He was certainly argued, but I'm sure players like Dirk & Wade were getting consideration after 2011. Curry can still be argued as best in the league, but when you perform so poorly in the Finals you take a serious hit from that, same thing happened to LeBron in 2011

[BeastMode24]

He was certainly argued, but I'm sure players like Dirk & Wade were getting consideration after 2011. Curry can still be argued as best in the league, but when you perform so poorly in the Finals you take a serious hit from that, same thing happened to LeBron in 2011

LeBron was still ranked #1 by ESPN prior to the 2012 season while Dirk was ranked #5. Dirk in that playoff run beat Kobe, Durant/Westbrook, and LeBron/Wade/Bosh and still was seen as being a tier below Bron.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-111018/nba-#nbarank-1-5-debate

[K Xerxes]

It's not so much that Curry was a no-show, but more than LeBron was so dominant. Led all players in the five major statistical categories, averages 30-11-9 for the series, a 36ppg triple double 3-1 down, b2b 41 point elimination games, and some iconic defense to boot.

He was just too good when it counted most for him not to be considered the best in the world. And while I feel the MCL injury may have contributed somewhat to his awful performance, the Curry apologists are taking this out of hand. There was definitely some choking involved. He was out there bricking shots and being abused on defense.

Taking it all together, it's clear LeBron is still the best in the world.

[hold this L]

Lebron proved in this final that he is the best in the world. I thought Lebron's performance in 2015 was overrated as hell, but he was amazing in the last 3 games this year. If Curry wants to take the title, he has a chance this upcoming season in the PS. Hopefully there won't be any injuries so there won't be any excuses if he does or doesn't do it.

You've got to give props to people when they earn it bruh. :pimp: Though Simon and his 30 alts make it pretty hard with his awful posting, esp post Cavs win. :facepalm

[K Xerxes]

lebron was worse in the 2011 finals and he was still considered the best player in the world and at the point lebron was 0/2 in the finals with both finals being disasters. Curry at least has a chip and is coming off b2b finals runs in the superior western conference and mvps.

2011 LeBron was not competing with the calliber of 2016 LeBron for best player in the world. It's all relative.

[BeastMode24]

2011 LeBron was not competing with the calliber of 2016 LeBron for best player in the world. It's all relative.

Dirk beat Kobe, Durant/Westbrook, LeBron/Wade/Bosh in 3 consecutive series without a star player to help him and was still only ranked #5 by ESPN. Curry was a far superior player than Bron before he got hurt and Curry was better than Bron last year as well. People forget that Curry when healthy has been a dominant in the playoffs. He was incredible in the 2015 playoffs.

[KirbyPls]

lebron was worse in the 2011 finals and he was still considered the best player in the world and at the point lebron was 0/2 in the finals with both finals being disasters. Curry at least has a chip and is coming off b2b finals runs in the superior western conference and mvps.

Kobe stans cannot have it both ways. For years, they claimed Kobe > Lebron because Rings, even though Lebron had better regular season and playoff stats.

Now, not only does Lebron have the head-to-head Finals victory over Curry, but his Finals stats blow Curry's out of the water, while leading both teams in an unprecedented 5 categories.

Using Kobe stans own logic against them, as well as common sense, there is no argument that Curry is a better player than Lebron. Playoffs > rgular season; otherwise, Wilt id easily the GOAT, and Karl Malone >>>> Duncan.

The rules don't change, simply because a light-skinned babyface lit up regular season defenses and subsequently wilted against the pressure of actual, physical defense when it mattered most. :lol

[BeastMode24]

Kobe stans cannot have it both ways. For years, they claimed Kobe > Lebron because Rings, even though Lebron had better regular season and playoff stats.

Now, not only does Lebron have the head-to-head Finals victory over Curry, but his Finals stats blow Curry's out of the water, while leading both teams in an unprecedented 5 categories.

Using Kobe stans own logic against them, as well as common sense, there is no argument that Curry is a better player than Lebron. Playoffs > rgular season; otherwise, Wilt id easily the GOAT, and Karl Malone >>>> Duncan.

The rules don't change, simply because a light-skinned babyface lit up regular season defenses and subsequently wilted against the pressure of actual, physical defense when it mattered most. :lol

so what's the logic behind LeBron fans saying LeBron was better than Kobe in 2008-2010 and then saying LeBron was better than Curry in 2015 and 2016? can't have it both ways right?

[K Xerxes]

Dirk beat Kobe, Durant/Westbrook, LeBron/Wade/Bosh in 3 consecutive series without a star player to help him and was still only ranked #5 by ESPN. Curry was a far superior player than Bron before he got hurt and Curry was better than Bron last year as well. People forget that Curry when healthy has been a dominant in the playoffs. He was incredible in the 2015 playoffs.

LeBron was better than Curry in the 2015 finals as well. So was a bench player on his team who beat him out for FMVP.

[BeastMode24]

LeBron was better than Curry in the 2015 finals as well. So was a bench player on his team who beat him out for FMVP.

LeBron wasn't better than Curry in the 2015 finals. LeBron had all time bad efficiency and was terrible in the clutch. The reason Curry's numbers weren't so great was because he was being trapped on every pnr which allowed his teammates to play 4v3 meanwhile the Warriors were letting LeBron play iso ball and shoot his team out of the game. Curry's clutch stats in the 2015 were some of the best of all time while LeBron's were some of the worst ever. Curry's overall playoff run was better as well. LeBron had raw stats because he dominated the ball more than anybody in history at the expense of efficiency and overall good team offense. Iggy was nowhere close to Curry's level in the finals. Iggy was getting all wide open shots because off the defensive attention Curry was attracting.

[KirbyPls]

Dirk beat Kobe, Durant/Westbrook, LeBron/Wade/Bosh in 3 consecutive series without a star player to help him and was still only ranked #5 by ESPN. Curry was a far superior player than Bron before he got hurt and Curry was better than Bron last year as well. People forget that Curry when healthy has been a dominant in the playoffs. He was incredible in the 2015 playoffs.

:facepalm

Some players save their best for the biggest moments and don't waste their talents preening and dancing during regular season games.

Just like last year, Lebron > Curry when it mattered. Curry can have the Wily/Malone memeorial award for regular season dominance though.

[BeastMode24]

:facepalm

Some players save their best for the biggest moments and don't waste their talents preening and dancing during regular season games.

Just like last year, Lebron > Curry when it mattered. Curry can have the Wily/Malone memeorial award for regular season dominance though.

when it mattered the most LeBron was 3/18 in clutch situations in the finals last year while Curry made the big plays in the clutch. Remember game 5 when Curry had 17 points on 90% TS in the 4th quarter with the series hanging in the balance?

[K Xerxes]

LeBron wasn't better than Curry in the 2015 finals. LeBron had all time bad efficiency and was terrible in the clutch. The reason Curry's numbers weren't so great was because he was being trapped on every pnr which allowed his teammates to play 4v3 meanwhile the Warriors were letting LeBron play iso ball and shoot his team out of the game. Curry's clutch stats in the 2015 were some of the best of all time while LeBron's were some of the worst ever. Curry's overall playoff run was better as well. LeBron had raw stats because he dominated the ball more than anybody in history at the expense of efficiency and overall good team offense. Iggy was nowhere close to Curry's level in the finals. Iggy was getting all wide open shots because off the defensive attention Curry was attracting.

Lol Curry stunk it up for a significant part of last years finals. I'll just leave it at this.

Total FMVP votes last 2 finals:

Curry: 0/22
Lebron: 15/22

[KirbyPls]

so what's the logic behind LeBron fans saying LeBron was better than Kobe in 2008-2010 and then saying LeBron was better than Curry in 2015 and 2016? can't have it both ways right?

Well, in 2009, Lebron put up better stats across the board than Kobe did against the Magic. Curry did not.

In 2010, Kobe pulled a Curry in game 7 with 6-24, but unlike Curry, he received 15 free throws, and his team had ~20 free throws in the fourth quarter, so the Lakers prevailed.

Had Curry come close to outplaying Lebron in the Finals either in 2015 or 2016, this might be a debate, but Curry Wilted, especially this year, so it's not a debate.

I see you bring up injuries. Does Lebron get a pass from you or anyone else last year with Kyrie and Love, or in 2010 against Boston for his elbow?

I didn't think so.

[BeastMode24]

:facepalm

Some players save their best for the biggest moments and don't waste their talents preening and dancing during regular season games.

Just like last year, Lebron > Curry when it mattered. Curry can have the Wily/Malone memeorial award for regular season dominance though.

also if its about saving their best moments for when it matters most then why was Bron ranked #1 and Dirk ranked #5 after 2011?

[DMAVS41]

Maybe he gets that back next year, but definitely not right now.

You can't be known as the best player in the world "right now" when the last thing you've done is crumble in the biggest series/games of your life.

[KirbyPls]

when it mattered the most LeBron was 3/18 in clutch situations in the finals last year while Curry made the big plays in the clutch. Remember game 5 when Curry had 17 points on 90% TS in the 4th quarter with the series hanging in the balance?

Remember when Curry has been outplayed in two consecutive Finals by his own teammates, let alone Lebron?

It would be rich seeing Curry carry a team in the Finals without Klay and Green, seeing as he can't perform up to his own standards even with a full team in the Finals.

[BeastMode24]

Well, in 2009, Lebron put up better stats across the board than Kobe did against the Magic. Curry did not.

In 2010, Kobe pulled a Curry in game 7 with 6-24, but unlike Curry, he received 15 free throws, and his team had ~20 free throws in the fourth quarter, so the Lakers prevailed.

Had Curry come close to outplaying Lebron in the Finals either in 2015 or 2016, this might be a debate, but Curry Wilted, especially this year, so it's not a debate.

I see you bring up injuries. Does Lebron get a pass from you or anyone else last year with Kyrie and Love, or in 2010 against Boston for his elbow?

I didn't think so.

everybody gave LeBron a pass for 2015. all we heard was that the Warriors title doesn't count because Kyrie and Love were hurt. Giving a pass for losing however doesn't mean he's better than a guy who was better than him all year. Curry was better than LeBron all of 2015 including the playoffs leading up to the finals where LeBron put up huge raw stats by dominating the ball at the cost of efficiency.

[DMAVS41]

also if its about saving their best moments for when it matters most then why was Bron ranked #1 and Dirk ranked #5 after 2011?

Wasn't that projecting forward though?

Are you talking about going forward or right now.

There is no way Curry can be thought of as a better player than Lebron right now given what we just saw.

[KirbyPls]

also if its about saving their best moments for when it matters most then why was Bron ranked #1 and Dirk ranked #5 after 2011?

ESPN is not the consensus rank. I doubt you'd find too many people who would have ranked Lebron #1 after the 2011 Finals.

I don't, and I doubt almost anyone else on this board would either.

[Fudge]

And FYI, he was never the best player in the league, boo.

[BeastMode24]

Maybe he gets that back next year, but definitely not right now.

You can't be known as the best player in the world "right now" when the last thing you've done is crumble in the biggest series/games of your life.

so why was LeBron ranked #1 after 2011 and Dirk was ranked #5? I guess when LeBron crumbles it doesn't matter. forget that LeBron didn't even have a ring at the time and had been a disaster in both of his NBA Finals and had flamed out 3 straight years in the playoffs as the overwhelming favorite. If Dirk had been ranked #1 then yeah ranking LeBron #1 would make sense but he wasn't. Dirk wasn't given credit for his playoff run and LeBron wasn't downplayed because of his.

[DMAVS41]

so why was LeBron ranked #1 after 2011 and Dirk was ranked #5? I guess when LeBron crumbles it doesn't matter. forget that LeBron didn't even have a ring at the time and had been a disaster in both of his NBA Finals and had flamed out 3 straight years in the playoffs as the overwhelming favorite. If Dirk had been ranked #1 then yeah ranking LeBron #1 would make sense but he wasn't. Dirk wasn't given credit for his playoff run and LeBron wasn't downplayed because of his.

A few things;

1. I had Dirk as the best player in 11. Most people actually did not have Lebron as the best player in 11.

2. You are talking about projection rankings. That list was not a look back at 2011, but a look forward. Obviously it makes sense for an older Dirk to age a bit and not play at an absurdly high level like he did in 11...while it would make sense for an in prime Lebron to get better after a bitter defeat.

3. So I'm not sure what you are asking. If it's a reflection on 2016...in no way can you argue Curry was ultimately the better player than Lebron. No way.

But, if it's a projection that you think Curry will be better next year than Lebron...that can be defended and makes sense.

Do you see the difference?

[KirbyPls]

so why was LeBron ranked #1 after 2011 and Dirk was ranked #5? I guess when LeBron crumbles it doesn't matter. forget that LeBron didn't even have a ring at the time and had been a disaster in both of his NBA Finals and had flamed out 3 straight years in the playoffs as the overwhelming favorite. If Dirk had been ranked #1 then yeah ranking LeBron #1 would make sense but he wasn't. Dirk wasn't given credit for his playoff run and LeBron wasn't downplayed because of his.

You seem pretty intent to use ESPN's player rank. Do you also agree with ESPN that Lebron is #3 all-time, whilst Kobe is #13?

[Frenetic]

one bad playoff series and mediocre by his standards playoff run because he was hurt doesn't change that. Its crazy how people forget how good Curry was before the knee injury. He had arguably the goat regular season after winning mvp and leading his team to the chip (great playoff run 28 ppg on 60% TS) last year. He was also well on his way to dominating these playoffs (24 points in the first half game 1 vs the rockets) before he got hurt. People forget that when the Warriors and Cavs played on MLK when both teams were healthy Curry actually destroyed Kyrie. Curry was 12/18 for 35 points while Kyrie was 3/11 for 8 points. Curry constantly played great defense in the regular season he just couldn't in the playoffs because laterally he couldn't move as well as he used to because of the MCL injury. Can't wait till Curry is back healthy next year and destroying the league.
hes healthy, he just got d'd up too hard and his role player team mates couldnt take the heat off him and pick up the slack.

[BeastMode24]

You seem pretty intent to use ESPN's player rank. Do you also agree with ESPN that Lebron is #3 all-time, whilst Kobe is #13?

no I don't. The reason I'm using ESPN is because I don't see any other player rankings heading into the 2012 season. If there were rankings from other sites like CBS, Yahoo, or bleacher report I'd look at them to determine if the consensus was indeed that LeBron was the best player. For example, prior to the 2016 season they were multiple publications with their own player rankings that wasn't the case then.

[warriorfan]

Lol Curry stunk it up for a significant part of last years finals. I'll just leave it at this.

Total FMVP votes last 2 finals:

Curry: 0/22
Lebron: 15/22

:facepalm

stop posting

[DMAVS41]

no I don't. The reason I'm using ESPN is because I don't see any other player rankings heading into the 2012 season. If there were rankings from other sites like CBS, Yahoo, or bleacher report I'd look at them to determine if the consensus was indeed that LeBron was the best player. For example, prior to the 2016 season they were multiple publications with their own player rankings that wasn't the case then.

The key phrase there is "heading into the 2012 season"....

Not who was the best player of 2011.

Those are different things.

[Dro]

It's tough to still call him the best because of how disappointing he was in the playoffs and especially the finals.

But I can't just ignore what he was doing for 80-90% of the season.

I don't have any problem with anybody saying he's the best. It's either him or James and then everybody else.
This pretty much.

[Springsteen]

so why was LeBron ranked #1 after 2011 and Dirk was ranked #5? I guess when LeBron crumbles it doesn't matter. forget that LeBron didn't even have a ring at the time and had been a disaster in both of his NBA Finals and had flamed out 3 straight years in the playoffs as the overwhelming favorite. If Dirk had been ranked #1 then yeah ranking LeBron #1 would make sense but he wasn't. Dirk wasn't given credit for his playoff run and LeBron wasn't downplayed because of his.

I don't know if you have amnesia, but do you remember how Lebron was received after that 2011 loss? Seeing as you're probably not a fan of him, you probably do.

The man got absolutely flamed by the media. Sports analysts were calling him the biggest choker of all time, and the hate for him ramped up ten fold; following well into the next season. If you think that loss was "downplayed" and Dirk wasn't given credit you're either retarded or purposely ignoring that for your agenda.

[SecondTake]

Curry had back to back finals chokes. Curry is the best regular season player in the world because nobody bothers playing real defense on him. You defend curry and he folds like a deck of card.