What is the definition of "collude," anyway?

[gigantes]

let's take a look...

[quote]collude

[size=3]verb
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[warriorfan]

It's what lebron did

[Terahite]

Warriors + Durant = collusion

[kamil]

It's what lebron did

/thread

[gigantes]

It's what lebron did
let me know when you learn how to read and comprehend a dictionary entry.

[tmacattack33]

It's when you and an "opponent" actually team up, and gain a significant advantage in doing so.

Like if you are in a fantasy league and you're team is out of playoff contention, so you decide you can help out team X by dropping a player into the free agent pool so that he can pick him up, in return for 10% of the prize money if team X eventually wins the championship.

Obviously what Lebron allegedly did is not even close to that.

[FKAri]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.

[NBAGOAT]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.

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[InsanityKills]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.
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[scuzzy]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr. Jabbar]

It's what lebron did

:lol

End it

[Nilocon165]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.

:oldlol: :roll: :oldlol:

[bobeticus]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.

slain...

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[Hey Yo]

let me know when you learn how to read and comprehend a dictionary entry.
I've posted the definition on here a half dozen times to no avail.

Last time I did..... "Dresta" and others tried to tell me the definition had nothing to do with performing "Illegal acts." Even though it was right in front of their faces.

[diamenz]

smh @ these bron stans talking about a damn definition. when it's mentioned in a sentence with lebron, you know what the **** it means.

[gigantes]

smh @ these bron stans talking about a damn definition. when it's mentioned in a sentence with lebron, you know what the **** it means.
yeah, it means he didn't do it. i'm not even a lebron stan and i know that. :D

maybe the real problem is people trying to make a BS argument sound more legit by throwing in a fancy word they don't understand.

welp... you're busted! :banana:

[Dray n Klay]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.
:roll:

[Gileraracer]

What is the definition of "collude,"?


Lebron.

[iamgine]

OP's definition applies more in business.

In the NBA it means when stars by their own intent team up with each other, implying that they wanted it easy.

You know, like in pick up games when most of the good players are in one team and claim it's fair. :lol

[gigantes]

OP's definition applies more in business.

In the NBA it means when stars by their own intent team up with each other, implying that they wanted it easy.

You know, like in pick up games when most of the good players are in one team and claim it's fair. :lol
unlike pickup games, the NBA -is- a business, with complex rules for fairness and penalties for breaking them. plus, it's not like lebron james invented the idea of stars getting together to try to gain an advantage. it still usually doesn't work when it comes to winning trophies.

every team lebron has been on, going back to HS and maybe earlier, he has single-handedly elevated to a very high level. you can't say that about any of the other "stars" he played with.

that's why the "collusion" charge is both incorrect and misses the point.

[iamgine]

unlike pickup games, the NBA -is- a business, with complex rules for fairness and penalties for breaking them. plus, it's not like lebron james invented the idea of stars getting together to try to gain an advantage. it still usually doesn't work when it comes to winning trophies.

every team lebron has been on, going back to HS and maybe earlier, he has single-handedly elevated to a very high level. you can't say that about any of the other "stars" he played with.

that's why the "collusion" charge is both incorrect and misses the point.
It can't be incorrect because that's what the word evolved to among NBA fans.

Whether Lebron colluded or not that's another matter altogether. You don't have to invent the idea in order to collude btw.

[Orlando Magic]

Use it in a sentence: warriorfan's mom enjoys colluding with his friends while he sleeps.

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[MP.Trey]

What I don't get is why no one cares about the multiple players being openly asked about and explaining that they're trying to recruit free agents like KD and other stars to their team.

It's happening everywhere but no one cares. Apparently it's all right if you tell people beforehand you wanna make a super team but actually doing it is colluding. :rolleyes:

[Derka]

It's what lebron did

Warriors + Durant = collusion

Neither of these is correct.

The word doesn't magically change its definition because you feel a compulsive need to manufacture hate against a guy who plays a kid's game, you halfwits.

[FLDFSU]

OP's definition applies more in business.

In the NBA it means when stars by their own intent team up with each other, implying that they wanted it easy.

You know, like in pick up games when most of the good players are in one team and claim it's fair. :lol

Players cannot collude. If Lin, Parsons, and Mario Chambers wanted to get together an NBA owner does not have to sign any of them. Players have ZERO ability to sign themselves.

If the Heat and Knicks get together to steer a player onto one team that would be collusion. Again, players cannot collude.

[GINOBILI!]

Warriors + Durant = collusion
Nah, that is just cowardly by Durant. Unless he discusses pay cuts with Barnes to get them both there. That would then be collusion.

[Kblaze8855]

Players cnt collude because there are no rules against them discussing plans to play together and making it happen. Teams cant discuss it with other teams players. Players are free to. Meaning it isn't illegal even throwing out the law. Its not against any rule at all. Which is why when other teams complained they were told the league could do nothing.

Now...if Riley knew and helped make it happen by discussing it with other teams contracted players....that's illegal(nba illegal). The Miami heat can collude. A player cant. End of story.

[bukowski81]

In the definition of the Merriam Webster dictionary it clearly does not have to be illegal


Simple Definition of collusion
: secret cooperation for an illegal or dishonest purpose


Full Definition of collusion
: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

[tpols]

colluding doesn't have to be illegal.. "secret cooperation for an illegal OR dishonest purpose." the dishonest part leaves the clause open to interpetation, and it can be construed that the best players all joining up in the same weakened conference is "dishonest" to the sport.. to competition.. to integrity of the game. This was sentiment at the time.

[warriorfan]

look at these autistic guys trying to argue that collude doesn't fit the exact definition of what lebrons did :oldlol:

stop examining the websters definition, it wont do you any good, lebron colluded, get over it

[Piccolo]

look at these autistic guys trying to argue that collude doesn't fit the exact definition of what lebrons did :oldlol:

stop examining the websters definition, it wont do you any good, lebron colluded, get over it


Take a break from the Internet. All you do is post on here all day, every day.

Yeah, let's not trust the dictionary that has been in existence for centuries. Keep hating a man you will never know. The hate for LeBron James is pathetic now. I think the only autistic guy here is you.

Cavs beat the Warriors, get over it.

*waiting on you to login and say meltdown since you can't debate worth a shit*

[Derka]

look at these autistic guys trying to argue that collude doesn't fit the exact definition of what lebrons did :oldlol:

stop examining the websters definition, it wont do you any good, lebron colluded, get over it
That's not how the world works. You really need to do something that doesn't involve being on this forum all the time, dude.

[warriorfan]

Take a break from the Internet. All you do is post on here all day, every day.

Yeah, let's not trust the dictionary that has been in existence for centuries. Keep hating a man you will never know. The hate for LeBron James is pathetic now. I think the only autistic guy here is you.

Cavs beat the Warriors, get over it.

*waiting on you to login and say meltdown since you can't debate worth a shit*

ok "piccolo"

:roll:

[warriorfan]

That's not how the world works. You really need to do something that doesn't involve being on this forum all the time, dude.

you have 5 posts a day and I have 6 posts a day :lol

I thought white people were good at math :roll:

[gigantes]

In the definition of the Merriam Webster dictionary it clearly does not have to be illegal

Simple Definition of collusion
: secret cooperation for an illegal or dishonest purpose

Full Definition of collusion
: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

colluding doesn't have to be illegal.. "secret cooperation for an illegal OR dishonest purpose." the dishonest part leaves the clause open to interpetation, and it can be construed that the best players all joining up in the same weakened conference is "dishonest" to the sport.. to competition.. to integrity of the game. This was sentiment at the time.
and that's why the NBA has rules and penalties about dishonest purposes. meaning lebron, bosh and wade did nothing dishonest by the fair-practice rules and standards of the game.

didn't clyde drexler, charles barkley and scottie pippen get together with hakeem olajuwon on the rockets to try to win some championships back in the 90's. how'd that work out? were people calling them "colluders" at the time?

who even came up with the idea of using "collusion," anyway? the average NBA fan probably doesn't have much clue what the word is, meaning some media personality likely deliberately misused it and then the fans latched on to it... and now you have people saying in this thread "well, the definition turned in to what we wanted it to mean a few years ago." :lol

if the word "collude" didn't exist, then how would you describe how the superfriends got together in miami?

[iamgine]

Players cannot collude. If Lin, Parsons, and Mario Chambers wanted to get together an NBA owner does not have to sign any of them. Players have ZERO ability to sign themselves.

If the Heat and Knicks get together to steer a player onto one team that would be collusion. Again, players cannot collude.
This is not true at all in reality, only in theory and technicality and naive minds.

[tpols]

didn't clyde drexler, charles barkley and scottie pippen get together with hakeem olajuwon on the rockets to try to win some championships back in the 90's. how'd that work out? were people calling them "colluders" at the time?


they dont catch as much flak because they were old and exiting their prime ... then the Boston Big 3 took it a bit further with KG, PP and Ray all still prime, but end prime, and then Big 3 Miami took it to next level with their triple peak collusion, all players in dead middle of their primes.

i guess you could call it the evolution of collusion.



if the word "collude" didn't exist, then how would you describe how the superfriends got together in miami?

bitchassness ... ? idk.. collude sounds more professional.

[iamgine]

and that's why the NBA has rules and penalties about dishonest purposes. meaning lebron, bosh and wade did nothing dishonest by the fair-practice rules and standards of the game.

didn't clyde drexler, charles barkley and scottie pippen get together with hakeem olajuwon on the rockets to try to win some championships back in the 90's. how'd that work out? were people calling them "colluders" at the time?

who even came up with the idea of using "collusion," anyway? the average NBA fan probably doesn't have much clue what the word is, meaning some media personality likely deliberately misused it and then the fans latched on to it... and now you have people saying in this thread "well, the definition turned in to what we wanted it to mean a few years ago." :lol

if the word "collude" didn't exist, then how would you describe how the superfriends got together in miami?
I think what's missing here is that the word collude is just a way to negatively portray star players teaming up to achieve a goal.

You can see it positively too, that they care very much about winning and want to achieve it by any means necessary.

[Orlando Magic]

The word these clowns are looking for is "conspire". The thing is, it doesn't roll off the tongue as well so they keep parroting the incorrect term repeatedly without putting forth an ounce of effort into what could be considered an original or rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having been repeatedly exposed to it. I award them no points, and may God have mercy on their souls.

[gigantes]

bitchassness ... ? idk.. collude sounds more professional.
and THAT'S pretty much my point.

like, the biggest whiners upon lebron tend to be the same ones who throw around the word "collude" without even knowing what it actually means.

in the end, isn't that sort of like a hungry lap-dog begging for another treat...?

[tpols]

and THAT'S pretty much my point.

like, the biggest whiners upon lebron tend to be the same ones who throw around the word "collude" without even knowing what it actually means.

in the end, isn't that sort of like a hungry lap-dog begging for another treat...?

you've been given the definition .. it's not that hard.. the definition is extremely broad and open to interpretation. the term "dishonest" is subjective.. you keep refering back to official league rules but we try to explain already that dishonest can mean something outside rules.. you take it too literally.

It's like.. if a country has no monopoly rules, and three giant competitors merge.. is it colluding? sure it is. it's not illegal but still economically dishonest.

[Smoke117]

they dont catch as much flak because they were old and exiting their prime ... then the Boston Big 3 took it a bit further with KG, PP and Ray all still prime, but end prime, and then Big 3 Miami took it to next level with their triple peak collusion, all players in dead middle of their primes.

i guess you could call it the evolution of collusion.




bitchassness ... ? idk.. collude sounds more professional.

You dumb ass...Ray Allen wasn't in his prime anymore...he was 32 coming off of double ankle surgeries in that 2008 season.

[tpols]

You dumb ass...Ray Allen wasn't in his prime anymore...he was 32 coming off of double ankle surgeries in that 2008 season.

way to nitpick b!tch.. as a group they were end prime.. stop distracting from the point

[Smoke117]

way to nitpick b!tch.. as a group they were end prime.. stop distracting from the point

You don't have a point besides bitching about Lebron like you always do.

[gigantes]

I think what's missing here is that the word collude is just a way to negatively portray star players teaming up to achieve a goal.

i think what's ALSO telling is your tendency to *whiff* upon the body of issues in question, over and over again.

still... one day... and i think ONE DAY ONLY, you're going to nail it nicely, dude. :rockon:

[FLDFSU]

This is not true at all in reality, only in theory and technicality and naive minds.

What player has the ability to sign himself?

[Orlando Magic]

bump

[FKAri]

What player has the ability to sign himself?
LeGM

[tmacattack33]

If players aren't allowed to talk to court player X during the season, and can only do so when player X is a free agent, then disobeying this rule gives you the advantage of time, in that the other 29 teams had to wait to court player X, but you jumped the gun.

So, Lebron apparently did the equivalent of jumping ahead in line at the grocery store.

If you think that's a big deal, or that it doesn't happen all the time, then so be it.

I might be wrong though and there may be more to it...nobody with any weight on the issue (x players and coaches...Barkley, Kenny Smith, etc) never talked about it so i never even knew what happened.

[moongaze]

let me know when you learn how to read and comprehend a dictionary entry.

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