Terrorist attack in Istanbul Airport: 30 dead, 106 injured and counting

[Nick Young]

RIP to all the victims.


What kind of horrific bloodthirsty ideology could possibly inspire someone to commit such a heinous act?

I hope that Turkey is able to get to the bottom of this and find the terrorists and take them out.

[Draz]

50 dead, 147 injured

[Nick Young]

this is horrible-guns and explosions in a major international airport. Turkey is truly going to hell under Erdogan.

[Facepalm]

If only the good guys had their own bombs.

[PistolPete]

Just a couple of psychos with bombs. That's all. No need to read further into it.

[nathanjizzle]

probably armenian retribution.

[Awesomedoers]

https://twitter.com/ruchankayrim/status/747870548110221312

https://twitter.com/imgedengemi/status/747887345945411584/video/1

[pauk]

"Ah, they are muslims to tho, they wont harm us? Only non-muslims, thats what our American friends say afterall, that their attacks are strictly religious based, these are perfectly sane humans, they are not crazy, they are no psychos, its all just religious based, they would never harm another muslim, that would be very non-muslim/crazy/psychotic behaviour afterall, so no problem! Welcome in all muslim brethrens, Happy Ramadan! Welcome to my home for Iftar later bro? We got burek!"

*boom goes the dynamite*


Turks have it bad lately with psycho groups around, first it was only Kurds/PKK and now ofcourse ISIS.... awesome...

[sd3035]

"Ah, they are muslims to tho, they wont harm us? Only non-muslims, thats what our American friends say afterall, that their attacks are strictly religious based, these are perfectly sane humans, they are not crazy, they are no psychos, its all just religious based, they would never harm another muslim, that would be very non-muslim/crazy/psychotic behaviour afterall, so no problem! Welcome in all muslim brethrens, Happy Ramadan! Welcome to my home for Iftar later bro? We got burek!"

*boom goes the dynamite*


Turks have it bad lately with psycho groups around, first it was only Kurds/PKK and now ofcourse ISIS.... awesome...

The worst is the psycho in charge

[christian1923]

Do people still want to let refugees into the US or are we done being fake?

[Nick Young]

Do people still want to let refugees into the US or are we done being fake?
The only solution is to open the borders and let in more refugees.

[sd3035]

The only solution is to open the borders and let in more refugees.

especially young males with no families who look like criminals

[bdreason]

I saw a crazy video of an officer shooting one of the bombers. Then he realizes the guy has a bomb strapped to him, and takes off running... then the bomb goes off. Luckily it didn't look like any people were around at that point.

[ace23]

I saw a crazy video of an officer shooting one of the bombers. Then he realizes the guy has a bomb strapped to him, and takes off running... then the bomb goes off. Luckily it didn't look like any people were around at that point.
Saw that one too in the other thread lol

[Nick Young]

especially young males with no families who look like criminals
Yes. Properly vetting them and requiring them to have verification to prove their identity is not only racist and Islamophobic, but also extremely problematic.

[poido123]

The only solution is to open the borders and let in more refugees.



Makes even more sense to let in more muslims and less Christians, because as we know the religion of peace wouldn't have anything to do with this.


RIP victims.

[imdaman99]

ITT the usual people using tragedy to push their agenda. Some people just have no one else to talk to so we're here for you.

[bluechox2]

bobmbed turkey cus they wouldnt take in more refugees...radicals already created a shitstorm in their home forcing these people out, then start bombing other countries for not taking those people in

[highwhey]

Unfortunate events. :facepalm

[Doomsday Dallas]

I don't feel safe anymore...


And for the first time in the past 10 years... I'm starting to

get a little fearful of Muslim extremists.


I hate the word ISIS... let's just call them jihadists.



Everybody needs to calm the **** down.

[sd3035]

Yes. Properly vetting them and requiring them to have verification to prove their identity is not only racist and Islamophobic, but also extremely problematic.

The most suspicious ones should be the first let in to prove there's no discrimination :applause:

[Nick Young]

ITT the usual people using tragedy to push their agenda. Some people just have no one else to talk to so we're here for you.
Yes my brother. It is we who posted in this thread who are the true terrorists here.

[StephHamann]

What kind of horrific bloodthirsty ideology could possibly inspire someone to commit such a heinous act?

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LEAVE EU voters tbh

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yes my brother. It is we who posted in this thread who are the true terrorists here.


He didn't call you a terrorist, but ok. You do realize btw that Turkey is literally 99% Muslim, right? It's not about religion, they are just trying to cause destruction. To everyone. And everything.



It's time to nuke ISIS. Make sure of course no civilians are killed (evacuate?), but this shits gone long enough. If not that, it's time for everyone to team up: Russia, USA, Turkey, England, Saudi Arabia, China, Japan, Israel, Palestine, etc. and **** these dudes up. How many more world civilians need to die before our "leaders" finally get up off from sitting on their hands?

[pauk]

I don't feel safe anymore...


And for the first time in the past 10 years... I'm starting to

get a little fearful of Muslim extremists.


I hate the word ISIS... let's just call them jihadists.



Everybody needs to calm the **** down.

No, you should call them preferably Psychos, Crazies, Retards etc... not muslims or jihadists.... or even humans.....

Do you know what Jihad really means?

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9


WHAT JIHAD IS

The Arabic word "jihad" is often translated as "holy war," but in a purely linguistic sense, the word " jihad" means struggling or striving.
The arabic word for war is: "al-harb".
In a religious sense, as described by the Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (s), "jihad" has many meanings. It can refer to internal as well as external efforts to be a good Muslims or believer, as well as working to inform people about the faith of Islam.
If military jihad is required to protect the faith against others, it can be performed using anything from legal, diplomatic and economic to political means. If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted.
Military action is therefore only one means of jihad, and is very rare. To highlight this point, the Prophet Mohammed told his followers returning from a military campaign: "This day we have returned from the minor jihad to the major jihad," which he said meant returning from armed battle to the peaceful battle for self-control and betterment.
In case military action appears necessary, not everyone can declare jihad. The religious military campaign has to be declared by a proper authority, advised by scholars, who say the religion and people are under threat and violence is imperative to defend them. The concept of "just war" is very important.
The concept of jihad has been hijacked by many political and religious groups over the ages in a bid to justify various forms of violence. In most cases, Islamic splinter groups invoked jihad to fight against the established Islamic order. Scholars say this misuse of jihad contradicts Islam.
Examples of sanctioned military jihad include the Muslims' defensive battles against the Crusaders in medieval times, and before that some responses by Muslims against Byzantine and Persian attacks during the period of the early Islamic conquests.

WHAT JIHAD IS NOT


Jihad is not a violent concept.
Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications.



Jihad means the biggest opposite ever especially compared to what these Terrorists did just now in Istanbul....

Religion is not nuts, PEOPLE are nuts..... because they are nuts they would be just as nuts without the existance of any religion ever, probably would be even more nuts knowing there is zero consequences / no god - judgement day....

[feyki]

4th or fifth attack in the last six months . This won't over . Terrorists living in our country and our people votes for who are bring them to our country .

It's turned like videogame .

[Bosnian Sajo]

Religion is not nuts, PEOPLE are nuts..... because they are nuts they would be just as nuts without the existance of any religion ever, probably would be even more nuts knowing there is zero consequences / no god - judgement day....

And idk how some people can even argue against this when the Muslim people suffer the most from these terrorists...like you are sitting in your air conditioned, 3 bedroom house saying how you guys are victims when millions of Muslims are displaced and homeless because of isis, not to mention how 90% of the people they kill are Muslims.

Nick Young has some kind of personality disorder so I try to not take him seriously since we've explained this to him over and over, but people in America seriously think the French/Belgium people had it worst when those bombs went off in Brussels/Paris. Tragedy to have people killed regardless, don't get me wrong, but the Muslims who are against isis in the middle east (the majority...cough cough) are getting it the worst.

[StephHamann]

And idk how some people can even argue against this when the Muslim people suffer the most from these terrorists...like you are sitting in your air conditioned, 3 bedroom house saying how you guys are victims when millions of Muslims are displaced and homeless because of isis, not to mention how 90% of the people they kill are Muslims.

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More Muslim population = more terrorist attacks

I've never heard of muslim terrorist attacks in Japan.

Banning all muslims means 0% terrorists attacks.

[UK2K]

And idk how some people can even argue against this when the Muslim people suffer the most from these terrorists...like you are sitting in your air conditioned, 3 bedroom house saying how you guys are victims when millions of Muslims are displaced and homeless because of isis, not to mention how 90% of the people they kill are Muslims.

Nick Young has some kind of personality disorder so I try to not take him seriously since we've explained this to him over and over, but people in America seriously think the French/Belgium people had it worst when those bombs went off in Brussels/Paris. Tragedy to have people killed regardless, don't get me wrong, but the Muslims who are against isis in the middle east (the majority...cough cough) are getting it the worst.

The only reason these things aren't happening here is because we are across the ocean...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/13/africa/ivory-coast-attack/

If Obama (or Clinton) has his way, that will no longer be the case. See: Florida, Orlando.

[blablabla]

More Muslim population = more terrorist attacks

I've never heard of muslim terrorist attacks in Japan.

Banning all muslims means 0% terrorists attacks.
Banning all people = world peace ?

[UK2K]

Banning all people = world peace ?

You don't have to ban everyone... I'm all for LEGAL immigration, as is most everybody else in the country.

Obama and his friends will leave the word LEGAL out and just call it immigration to try and politicize the issue, but LEGAL immigration isn't a problem if someone comes in, is properly vetted, and fills out all the necessary paperwork.

But cutting the vetting process from 12 months to 2 months (like we've done because... who knows why?) isn't the solution.

[LJJ]

Do you know what Jihad really means?

Always makes me a little bit sad when Muslims explain to peaceful and nice people who mean no harm that "violence has nothing to do with Islam". This victim mentality is a huge part of the problem. One of the biggest reasons radicalism festers in Islam.


You need to spend your energy educating the many hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe violence in the name of Islam is justified. Educate and enlighten the Muslim communities where these Muslim killers who kill innocent people in the name of Islam come from.

You don't have to explain the concept of Islam to people who wouldn't hurt a fly in the name of Islam. If less violence is what you want. Explain it to the people who kill in it's name.

[UK2K]

Always makes me a little bit sad when Muslims explain to peaceful and nice people who mean no harm that "violence has nothing to do with Islam". This victim mentality is a huge part of the problem. One of the biggest reasons radicalism festers in Islam.


You need to spend your energy educating the many hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe violence in the name of Islam is justified. Educate and enlighten the Muslim communities where these Muslim killers who kill innocent people in the name of Islam come from.

You don't have to explain the concept of Islam to people who wouldn't hurt a fly in the name of Islam. If less violence is what you want. Explain it to the people who kill in it's name.
They don't care:


Only a third of British Muslims would inform the police if they thought that someone they knew is involved with terrorism, a poll shows. According to the survey, conducted on behalf the U.K.’s Channel 4, some 4 percent of British Muslims said they sympathize with suicide bombers, and the same percentage said they sympathized with people who committed terrorist actions in general.

[blablabla]

You don't have to ban everyone... I'm all for LEGAL immigration, as is most everybody else in the country.

Obama and his friends will leave the word LEGAL out and just call it immigration to try and politicize the issue, but LEGAL immigration isn't a problem if someone comes in, is properly vetted, and fills out all the necessary paperwork.

But cutting the vetting process from 12 months to 2 months (like we've done because... who knows why?) isn't the solution.
I was actually just trying to make the point that his solution was stupid

I guess 12 months seems quite long if you are migrating from a war torn country. Otherwise I agree, immigration is obviously essential for 1st world countries, we need young people who are willing to work and especially are willing to work in manual labor. But the immigration process needs to be reformed all over the world, I just hope there is a balanced approach to it, we can't let people die in the hands of terrorists or let then be influenced by them but at the same time not every idiot who just wants to enjoy some killer social benefits and chill can be let in our countries.

[UK2K]

I was actually just trying to make the point that his solution was stupid

I guess 12 months seems quite long if you are migrating from a war torn country. Otherwise I agree, immigration is obviously essential for 1st world countries, we need young people who are willing to work and especially are willing to work in manual labor. But the immigration process needs to be reformed all over the world, I just hope there is a balanced approach to it, we can't let people die in the hands of terrorists or let then be influenced by them but at the same time not every idiot who just wants to enjoy some killer social benefits and chill can be let in our countries.

My bad.... it went from 18-24 months to 3 months.


To reach President Obama’s goal in bringing in at least 10,000 additional Syrian refugees to the U.S. this year the Obama administration has opened up a new resettlement center and has shortened the processing time from around 18-24 months down to just three months.

Meanwhile in Europe, their own border forces admit they have no idea who these people are:


In a report which lays bare the concerns about the EU’s porous borders, Frontex conceded that it does not know the true number of migrants who have crossed into the continent and has no way of tracking them.

Frontex said that EU member states had reported a record 1.82 million illegal border crossings last year, six times higher than the previous record set in 2014.

The border agency’s shock admission will increase fears that the EU is unable to track potential terrorists like those who committed the atrocities in Paris and Brussels.

It also undermines claims made by supporters of the EU, who say that Britain is safer as a member of the bloc.

Two of the islamists involved in the Paris attacks had entered through the Greek island of Leros and had been registered by the Greek authorities after presenting fraudulent Syrian documents.

There's zero doubt that this latest move puts American safety at risk in the name of political victories.

[tomtucker]

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[pauk]

More Muslim population = more terrorist attacks

I've never heard of muslim terrorist attacks in Japan.

Banning all muslims means 0% terrorists attacks.

Hahahahahahahahah, right!! Its only "muslims" who can possess criminals, psychos, crazies.... you would be completely free from that, it will be 0% crime, your jails will be completely empty if there were no muslims....

Amazing story of epic logic there broski!!

But lets just say in theory/fantasy somehow that is possible, you manage to "ban anybody that has or had anything ever to do with Islam". That would mean only maybe 0% terrorist-criminal-psychotic-nutcase attacks from ONLY "Muslims" / "muslim born people". That doesnt mean "0% terrorist attacks" since you are not banning Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism, Taoism etc..... which means banning even yourself from wherever you are.... cool idea huh...

The only way to truly have 00000000%%%% psychos, criminals, "terrorists" (whats the difference, are these somehow not criminals/psychos/crazy people?) is to eradicate all people from existance.......... to ban ALL people..... yes, including yourself.... good luck with that.....

If there never was any religion, ever... if everybody would be 100% atheists today then you would be only ***ing lying to yourself if you think NONE OF THEM WOULD DO ANYBODY ANY HARM......

Again, PEOPLE... HUMANS... not all grow up completely sane unfortunately, thats the real problem.... The only reason you raise your chances of adding more criminality is because you ADD MORE PEOPLE, it has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with people... more people = more chance of criminality....... you will have to eradicate em all if you dont want to see any evil acts, including yourself because even if you are not Crazy, maybe your child / grandchildren may grow up to have a screw loose and go ham........ Lets all just die STEPHHAMMAN! Awesomeness! World peace! 0% criminality!

[UK2K]

Hahahahahahahahah, right!! Its only "muslims" who can possess criminals, psychos, crazies.... you would be completely free from that, it will be 0% crime, your jails will be completely empty if there were no muslims....

Amazing story of epic logic there broski!!

But lets just say in theory/fantasy somehow that is possible, you manage to "ban anybody that has or had anything ever to do with Islam". That would mean only maybe 0% terrorist-criminal-psychotic-nutcase attacks from ONLY "Muslims" / "muslim born people". That doesnt mean "0% terrorist attacks" since you are not banning Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism, Taoism etc..... which means banning even yourself from wherever you are.... cool idea huh...

The only way to truly have 00000000%%%% psychos, criminals, "terrorists" (whats the ***ing difference, are these somehow not criminals/psychos/crazy people?) is to eradicate all people from existance.......... to ban ALL people..... yes, including yourself.... good luck with that.....

If there never was any religion, ever... if everybody would be 100% atheists today then you would be only ***ing lying to yourself if you think NONE OF THEM WOULD DO ANYBODY ANY HARM......

Again, PEOPLE... HUMANS... not all grow up completely sane unfortunately, thats the real problem..... you will have to eradicate em all if you dont want to see any evil acts, including yourself because even if you are not Crazy, maybe your child / grandchildren may grow up to have a screw loose and go ham........ Lets all just die STEPHHAMMAN! Awesomeness! World peace! 0% criminality!

That's not the argument, so your point is irrelevant. I believe the media is trying to spin it like that as well, so you fell for it.

Thanks.

[StephHamann]

Hahahahahahahahah, right!! Its only "muslims" who can possess criminals, psychos, crazies.... you would be completely free from that, it will be 0% crime, your jails will be completely empty if there were no muslims....

Amazing story of epic logic there broski!!

The only reason you raise your chances of adding more criminality is because you ADD MORE PEOPLE, it has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with people... more people = more chance of criminality.......

But lets just say in theory/fantasy somehow that is possible, you manage to "ban anybody that has or had anything ever to do with Islam". That would mean only maybe 0% terrorist-criminal-psychotic-nutcase attacks from ONLY "Muslims" / "muslim born people". That doesnt mean "0% terrorist attacks" since you are not banning Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Budhism, Taoism etc..... which means banning even yourself from wherever you are.... cool idea huh...

The only way to truly have 00000000%%%% psychos, criminals, "terrorists" (whats the ***ing difference, are these somehow not criminals/psychos/crazy people?) is to eradicate all people from existance.......... to ban ALL people..... yes, including yourself.... good luck with that.....

If there never was any religion, ever... if everybody would be 100% atheists today then you would be only ***ing lying to yourself if you think NONE OF THEM WOULD DO ANYBODY ANY HARM......

Again, PEOPLE... HUMANS... not all grow up completely sane unfortunately, thats the real problem..... you will have to eradicate em all if you dont want to see any evil acts, including yourself because even if you are not Crazy, maybe your child / grandchildren may grow up to have a screw loose and go ham........ Lets all just die STEPHHAMMAN! Awesomeness! World peace! 0% criminality!

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[pauk]

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Aha! So you cant retaliate?? Poor Stephie... nice pics and this is for you:




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[StephHamann]

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have fun marrying your cousin because your daddy told you to

[pauk]

Sorry Stephanie, we dont have that problem in Bosnia or in the vicinity... But see? You exposed yourself / your way of thinking at least... What a shame, a guy like you... watching a sport dominated by black guys, in a basketball forum... rather confusing, shocking & frightening...

St0rmfront is some place else where you fit in, i can link you there if you want... all share 100% your logic, except they are true to themselves, you are not, you should be.

[DonDadda59]

ISIS is in full meltdown/panic mode. They are losing territory fast (just lost Fallujah with Mosul being eyed next) and a few weeks ago there were still unverified reports that their leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi died in a U.S. airstrike. They're like cornered animals right now, at their most dangerous.

Today is actually the 2 year anniversary of Al Baghdadi declaring the Caliphate. Since then, they've lost 25K fighters, their revenue streams are being decimated (Down 30% in the past year, they barely have the capital to fund their 'army'). The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq/Syria has fallen 90% this year per the Pentagon. Embassies in Turkey are seeing record numbers of defections from disillusioned fighters.

As they get more and more squeezed in the Middle East, they will continue to lash out in the 'West'. They are stepping up their propaganda campaign to get more wannabe ISIS recruits to carry out lone wolf attacks.

[StephHamann]

Sorry, we dont have that problem in Bosnia or in the vicinity... But see? You exposed yourself / your way of thinking at least... What a shame, a guy like you... watching a sport dominated by black guys, in a basketball forum... rather confusing, shocking & frightening...

St0rmfront is some place else where you fit in, i can link you there if you want... all share 100% your logic, except they are true to themselves, you are not, you should be.

You're confusing race with religion.

[brownmamba00]

ISIS is in full meltdown/panic mode. They are losing territory fast (just lost Fallujah with Mosul being eyed next) and a few weeks ago there were still unverified reports that their leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi died in a U.S. airstrike. They're like cornered animals right now, at their most dangerous.

Today is actually the 2 year anniversary of Al Baghdadi declaring the Caliphate. Since then, they've lost 25K fighters, their revenue streams are being decimated (Down 30% in the past year, they barely have the capital to fund their 'army'). The flow of foreign fighters into Iraq/Syria has fallen 90% this year per the Pentagon. Embassies in Turkey are seeing record numbers of defections from disillusioned fighters.

As they get more and more squeezed in the Middle East, they will continue to lash out in the 'West'. They are stepping up their propaganda campaign to get more wannabe ISIS recruits to carry out lone wolf attacks.
this man gets it.

don't expect Daesh to stop fighting tho

as long as foreign powers continue to invest and recruit for them they will never stop.

[pauk]

You're confusing race with religion.

Racism:

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview, its heavy prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination at work."

Nazism:
"An ideology that basically have the notion that the people - the nation - has a higher value in relation to other individuals. The perception of the people rests on its people & ideology (thoughts, logic, ration), which in its consequences does a rejection of alien racial elements, especially those of non-Aryan (in practice mostly Jewish, in your case Muslims) origin."

Both hate a certain group of people because they are different.... like you... Your logic, ration, ignorance, discrimination, prejudice & stereotyping in this subject of Muslims & Islam hence is no different from that of what a full on true Racist or Nazist would share in this exact same subject... essentially NO DIFFERENCE...

I explained very well i think why your logic is that of the above in the previous posts & why your logic is just stupid (where you said "Ban all muslims"), you couldnt retaliate, instead just posted a "meltdown" picture and a stereotypical picture of a "muslim" guy with a bomb turban (discrimination, stereotyping yet again) including saying something about me being forced to be married with my cousin or whatever......... further exposing yourself....

Its also only you who is confusing race with religion (not to mention also confusing a crazy guy with a sane religious man).

You want to ban all muslims... which means you think there is a specific appearance or criteria for being Muslim first of all, where they are either coming from a country/place called "Muslimania" or look "Muslim" or something, no idea, ill let you explain that one (if you can, im horribly interested)....

I am muslim, hence with your thought process you want to ban me from wherever your country is aswell, who knows, i could be a crazy guy...... thats exactly what you are saying, thats exactly what a Racist or a Nazist would do....

Which you are.... you cant be similar and yet not be....

Now, dont worry because you cant retaliate, it happens when you have been proven what you are, your logic/ration has been proven STUPID & WRONG (and you know it!) hence there is no possible way to retaliate, just post another discriminative picture instead........ or just perhaps "MELTDOWN"... thats cool...

That... or wise up, grow up, apologise, admit you were wrong and lets be friends.... its up to you....

[Dresta]

this man gets it.

don't expect Daesh to stop fighting tho

as long as foreign powers continue to invest and recruit for them they will never stop.
What, foreign powers like Turkey? They, along with the Saudis, have been the worst culprits in using IS for their own political agenda. I also like how there's been no reporting on SA's very destructive war with Yemen--when are western countries going to break with these rubes? That we are "fighting terrorism" at the same time as acquiescing to the whims of Saudi Arabia and Turkey, seems like one big joke.

Indeed, these attacks will only cement Erdogan in power as a strongman, which is what he's always wanted. He's used ISIS to bomb the Kurds, and then used the retaliation to justify his power; when ISIS blew a bunch of Kurds to pieces, he started bombing Kurds in the mountains as a response. And it all seemed to fit conveniently with him being denied a supermajority by a kurd dominated party.

[UK2K]

Racism:

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview, its heavy prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination at work."

Nazism:
"An ideology that basically have the notion that the people - the nation - has a higher value in relation to other individuals. The perception of the people rests on its people & ideology (thoughts, logic, ration), which in its consequences does a rejection of alien racial elements, especially those of non-Aryan (in practice mostly Jewish, in your case Muslims) origin."

Your logic, ration, ignorance, discrimination, prejudice & stereotyping in this subject of Muslims & Islam hence is no different from that of what a full on true Racist or Nazist would share in this exact same subject... essentially NO DIFFERENCE...

I explained very well i think why your logic is that of the above in the previous posts & why your logic is just stupid (where you said "Ban all muslims"), you couldnt retaliate, instead just posted a "meltdown" picture and a stereotypical picture of a "muslim" guy with a bomb turban (discrimination, stereotyping yet again) including saying something about me marrying my cousin or whatever......... further exposing yourself....

Its also only you who is confusing race with religion (not to mention also confusing a crazy guy with a sane religious man).

You want to ban all muslims... which means you think there is a specific appearance or criteria for being Muslim first of all, where they are either coming from a country/place called "Muslimania" or look "Muslim"....

I am muslim, hence with your thought process you want to ban me from wherever your country is aswell, who knows, i could be a crazy guy...... thats exactly what you are saying, thats exactly what a Racist or a Nazist would do....

Which you are.... you cant be similar and yet not be....

Now, dont worry because you cant retaliate, it happens when you have been proven what you are, your logic/ration has been proven STUPID & WRONG (and you know it!) hence there is no possible way to retaliate, just post another discriminative picture instead........ or just perhaps "MELTDOWN"... thats cool...

That... or wise up, grow up, apologise, admit you were wrong and lets be friends.... its up to you....

Again, you can't 'ban all Muslims'. It'd be sweet, but you can't.

What you can do is, as Trump put it (and the media spun it), ban Muslims (and all immigrants really) until they've been properly vetted, which is entirely legal and you'd have to be a true piece of shit to think that's a bad idea, because there's no reason NOT to.

[poido123]

Again, you can't 'ban all Muslims'. It'd be sweet, but you can't.

What you can do is, as Trump put it (and the media spun it), ban Muslims (and all immigrants really) until they've been properly vetted, which is entirely legal and you'd have to be a true piece of shit to think that's a bad idea, because there's no reason NOT to.


Well I think Islam in itself flies in the face of most Western/European nationalistic values? In this world climate, it's reached cult-like status.


Why not just place a ban on Islam, since deporting people is inhumane?


If you ban Islam, then the people who follow the religion will leave on their own accord.

[tomtucker]

Hahahahahahahahah, right!! Its only "muslims" who can possess criminals, psychos, crazies.... you would be completely free from that, it will be 0% crime, your jails will be completely empty if there were no muslims....

ity!

there sure as hell would be a lot more room......every euro prison is filled with that scum

[UK2K]

there sure as hell would be a lot more room......every euro prison is filled with that scum
Especially now since they can claim being deported back to their country is inhumane.

[tomtucker]

Especially now since they can claim being deported back to their country is inhumane.
exactly.......soo many criminals are even walking around free......exceptional leave to remain is one of the terms used to keep the fukkers in euro countries, all while being fed by the tax payers .......:facepalm :banghead:

[west_tip]

Racism:

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview, its heavy prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination at work."

Nazism:
"An ideology that basically have the notion that the people - the nation - has a higher value in relation to other individuals. The perception of the people rests on its people & ideology (thoughts, logic, ration), which in its consequences does a rejection of alien racial elements, especially those of non-Aryan (in practice mostly Jewish, in your case Muslims) origin."

Both hate a certain group of people because they are different.... like you... Your logic, ration, ignorance, discrimination, prejudice & stereotyping in this subject of Muslims & Islam hence is no different from that of what a full on true Racist or Nazist would share in this exact same subject... essentially NO DIFFERENCE...

I explained very well i think why your logic is that of the above in the previous posts & why your logic is just stupid (where you said "Ban all muslims"), you couldnt retaliate, instead just posted a "meltdown" picture and a stereotypical picture of a "muslim" guy with a bomb turban (discrimination, stereotyping yet again) including saying something about me being forced to be married with my cousin or whatever......... further exposing yourself....

Its also only you who is confusing race with religion (not to mention also confusing a crazy guy with a sane religious man).

You want to ban all muslims... which means you think there is a specific appearance or criteria for being Muslim first of all, where they are either coming from a country/place called "Muslimania" or look "Muslim" or something, no idea, ill let you explain that one (if you can, im horribly interested)....

I am muslim, hence with your thought process you want to ban me from wherever your country is aswell, who knows, i could be a crazy guy...... thats exactly what you are saying, thats exactly what a Racist or a Nazist would do....

Which you are.... you cant be similar and yet not be....

Now, dont worry because you cant retaliate, it happens when you have been proven what you are, your logic/ration has been proven STUPID & WRONG (and you know it!) hence there is no possible way to retaliate, just post another discriminative picture instead........ or just perhaps "MELTDOWN"... thats cool...

That... or wise up, grow up, apologise, admit you were wrong and lets be friends.... its up to you....

Why does Islam produce dysfunctional, repressive societies where women, nonbelievers and homosexuals are treated as second class citizens?

Here in the west we have somehow managed to drag ourselves out of the primordial mire and we have contrived by hook or crook to create societies where there is some semblance of civilization* and we are damned if we are going to surrender what progress we have made for the sake of accommodating those who believe in a backwards religious ideology that belongs in the middle ages. Now I know you're gonna say "its a small minority causing the violence" and "you can't tar us all with the same brush" and I have sympathy with those sentiments but from the outside looking in it seems that the radicals are in the drivers seat. The moderate and decent Muslims have to step up and force some sort of reformation and reinvent the religion as a force for good. This is even something Obama has touched upon:
[QUOTE=Obama]

[imdaman99]

Always makes me a little bit sad when Muslims explain to peaceful and nice people who mean no harm that "violence has nothing to do with Islam". This victim mentality is a huge part of the problem. One of the biggest reasons radicalism festers in Islam.


You need to spend your energy educating the many hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe violence in the name of Islam is justified. Educate and enlighten the Muslim communities where these Muslim killers who kill innocent people in the name of Islam come from.

You don't have to explain the concept of Islam to people who wouldn't hurt a fly in the name of Islam. If less violence is what you want. Explain it to the people who kill in it's name.
The bigger Jihad is the fight you have with yourself. I am going through Jihad Nafs everyday, avoiding the temptation of alcohol or drugs or eating non halal food. The brainwashing happens when these guys are convinced they are in this holy war right now, when it's just not there. Islam is absolutely peaceful unless you misinterpret it. Is there a lot of that going on? Most definitely. Inb4 that retard NickYoung with his attention whoring of an agenda comes in with his copy and paste verses taken out of context :oldlol:

I have been taught. I have been educated. I have had great religious teachers. I am peaceful. I only consider violence as a last resort. I consider taking an innocent life the worst of sins, no matter what race/preference/religion. I wouldn't even call myself that religious, I'm just a normal Muslim living here in 'murica.

[imdaman99]

Well I think Islam in itself flies in the face of most Western/European nationalistic values? In this world climate, it's reached cult-like status.


Why not just place a ban on Islam, since deporting people is inhumane?


If you ban Islam, then the people who follow the religion will leave on their own accord.
The only confirmed ISH terrorist, chiming in :oldlol: Keep it up man, keep it up.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I have been taught. I have been educated. I have had great religious teachers. I am peaceful. I only consider violence as a last resort. I consider taking an innocent life the worst of sins, no matter what race/preference/religion. I wouldn't even call myself that religious, I'm just a normal Muslim living here in 'murica.

The worst sin is Shirk, bro. Of course after that it's everything else.

[imdaman99]

The worst sin is Shirk, bro. Of course after that it's everything else.
Yeah most definitely, only All-h is my God. I meant among the worst.

[imdaman99]

More Muslim population = more terrorist attacks

I've never heard of muslim terrorist attacks in Japan.

Banning all muslims means 0% terrorists attacks.
Banning you saves us brain cells. But I wouldn't want that, as this is your only place to speak without getting a beatdown :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Banning you saves us brain cells. But I wouldn't want that, as this is your only place to speak without getting a beatdown :oldlol:
Is Islam a religion of peace?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Racism:

"Racism is a product of the complex interaction in a given society of a race-based worldview, its heavy prejudice, stereotyping, and discrimination at work."

Nazism:
"An ideology that basically have the notion that the people - the nation - has a higher value in relation to other individuals. The perception of the people rests on its people & ideology (thoughts, logic, ration), which in its consequences does a rejection of alien racial elements, especially those of non-Aryan (in practice mostly Jewish, in your case Muslims) origin."

Both hate a certain group of people because they are different.... like you... Your logic, ration, ignorance, discrimination, prejudice & stereotyping in this subject of Muslims & Islam hence is no different from that of what a full on true Racist or Nazist would share in this exact same subject... essentially NO DIFFERENCE...

I explained very well i think why your logic is that of the above in the previous posts & why your logic is just stupid (where you said "Ban all muslims"), you couldnt retaliate, instead just posted a "meltdown" picture and a stereotypical picture of a "muslim" guy with a bomb turban (discrimination, stereotyping yet again) including saying something about me being forced to be married with my cousin or whatever......... further exposing yourself....

Its also only you who is confusing race with religion (not to mention also confusing a crazy guy with a sane religious man).

You want to ban all muslims... which means you think there is a specific appearance or criteria for being Muslim first of all, where they are either coming from a country/place called "Muslimania" or look "Muslim" or something, no idea, ill let you explain that one (if you can, im horribly interested)....

I am muslim, hence with your thought process you want to ban me from wherever your country is aswell, who knows, i could be a crazy guy...... thats exactly what you are saying, thats exactly what a Racist or a Nazist would do....

Which you are.... you cant be similar and yet not be....

Now, dont worry because you cant retaliate, it happens when you have been proven what you are, your logic/ration has been proven STUPID & WRONG (and you know it!) hence there is no possible way to retaliate, just post another discriminative picture instead........ or just perhaps "MELTDOWN"... thats cool...

That... or wise up, grow up, apologise, admit you were wrong and lets be friends.... its up to you....
Islam is not a race. Followers of Islam will never be a race, no matter how badly you want them to be.


Islam is a religious ideology followed by people of all races on every corner of the planet.


It is impossible to be racist towards followers of a religious ideology that is followed by every race on the planet.

It is impossible to be racist towards a religious ideology.

It is impossible to be racist towards ideas and beliefs.

No believe system on the planet is exempt from criticism.

Criticizing a belief system and followers of a belief system, and the different ways they choose to interpret their belief system is not racist and never will be.

If you don't want to hear your belief system criticized, move to a country where it is illegal to do so.




Use your brain, brah. Allah gave it to you for a reason. :cheers:

[senelcoolidge]

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah

[Nick Young]

When they say "war" and "fight" they mean purely an internal spiritual struggle. When the Koran says "may Allah destroy them", he means spiritually only, so they can be built back up and brought towards the true faith.


Nevermind what Mohammad and his first followers did while they were alive. It was a different time.

Islam is purely a religion of peace and Mohammad was the most peaceful and perfect human being in history.

[ALBballer]

RIP to the victims. I have been to this airport before and visited Istanbul for a few days on a layover and think its a cool city (minus some of the Islamic and conservative things.) Turks from the Western side are pretty secular although they are overly nationalistic.

[imdaman99]

Mohammad was the most peaceful and perfect human being in history.
Finally, you say something with value. Not only was he the greatest human in history, he was an excellent lawmaker :applause:

http://s5.postimg.org/jn9x656gn/image.jpg



But honestly, rest in peace to the victims. I am sorry if I have been sucked in by the trolls on this website to engage in this back and forth.
May God bless their souls and give them jannah in the hereafter if they believe in it.

[Nick Young]

Will Allah punish the terrorists who blew themselves up in his name?:confusedshrug:

[UK2K]

Will Allah punish the terrorists who blew themselves up in his name?:confusedshrug:

Depends who you ask.

[bluechox2]

Will Allah punish the terrorists who blew themselves up in his name?:confusedshrug:

but he/she said they would get 40 virgins if you do so in his/her name...

[Bosnian Sajo]

but he/she said they would get 40 virgins if you do so in his/her name...


Funny thing is, the only people I've eeevvvveeer heard this from are people who aren't actually Muslim :lol


I've been going to mosque for 20 years (all my life), been to at least 25 different mosques, not one Alim or believer has ever even mentioned this what you say, although I've heard it on news sites and kids from school.


It's almost as if....it's made up by the media....but that's crazy talk, when has the media ever been wrong in the past?

[Nick Young]

Funny thing is, the only people I've eeevvvveeer heard this from are people who aren't actually Muslim :lol


I've been going to mosque for 20 years (all my life), been to at least 25 different mosques, not one Alim or believer has ever even mentioned this what you say, although I've heard it on news sites and kids from school.


It's almost as if....it's made up by the media....but that's crazy talk, when has the media ever been wrong in the past?

Pretty sure it is in both the Koran and the hadiths bro. Maybe you need to pay more attention.

[bluechox2]

Funny thing is, the only people I've eeevvvveeer heard this from are people who aren't actually Muslim :lol


I've been going to mosque for 20 years (all my life), been to at least 25 different mosques, not one Alim or believer has ever even mentioned this what you say, although I've heard it on news sites and kids from school.


It's almost as if....it's made up by the media....but that's crazy talk, when has the media ever been wrong in the past?

yea 40 was probably made up

72 though...



The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.” From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”


blow up an airport at 9, punani at 10


though, why only give 72, if given the strength for a 100...logic is way off

[feyki]

When they say "war" and "fight" they mean purely an internal spiritual struggle. When the Koran says "may Allah destroy them", he means spiritually only, so they can be built back up and brought towards the true faith.


Nevermind what Mohammad and his first followers did while they were alive. It was a different time.

Islam is purely a religion of peace and Mohammad was the most peaceful and perfect human being in history.

There was nobody to tag "perfect" , even a prophet . I do believe religions are exist and god too . But there wasn't any perfect person ever . I don't remember which surah , but god give him a ban for marrying( for marrying a few times after two years later of his wife past away from life ) , don't do it anymore .

[Nick Young]

There was nobody to tag "perfect" , even a prophet . I do believe religions are exist and god too . But there wasn't any perfect person ever . I don't remember which surah , but god give him a ban for marrying( for marrying a few times after two years later of his wife past away from life ) , don't do it anymore .
It is heresy to even imply that the Prophet most high was not absolutely perfect in every facet of being a human being.

[bluechox2]

It is heresy to even imply that the Prophet most high was not absolutely perfect in every facet of being a human being.

same way kim jong un is perfect

[Nick Young]

same way kim jong un is perfect
More blasphemy. What are you, some kind of racist Islamophobe?:confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

yea 40 was probably made up

72 though...



The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.” From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”


blow up an airport at 9, punani at 10


though, why only give 72, if given the strength for a 100...logic is way off

I know about the 72 zuhrije, but where in the hell does it say anything about blowing shit up :oldlol: The quote you posted sounds quite peaceful (gotta source it though, not all hadiths are accepted), as you stated, a Christian/Jew approached Mohammed and they kept their heads :eek: Shocking, right? Not for us....


It's crazy how arrogant some of you are, to think you understand the religion better than someone who has been in it for so many years, and still doesn't fully know everything. I learn everyday more and more and still don't fully know everything, yet you all seem to have it figured out having read 1 or 2 internet articles.

Gotta go get ready for taraweeh, which is Ramadan prayer at the mosque, and then after that we got ping pong tables set up in the chilling area, gonna have a nice little tournament with my homies. :cheers:

[poido123]

I know about the 72 zuhrije, but where in the hell does it say anything about blowing shit up :oldlol: The quote you posted sounds quite peaceful (gotta source it though, not all hadiths are accepted), as you stated, a Christian/Jew approached Mohammed and they kept their heads :eek: Shocking, right? Not for us....


It's crazy how arrogant some of you are, to think you understand the religion better than someone who has been in it for so many years, and still doesn't fully know everything. I learn everyday more and more and still don't fully know everything, yet you all seem to have it figured out having read 1 or 2 internet articles.

Gotta go get ready for taraweeh, which is Ramadan prayer at the mosque, and then after that we got ping pong tables set up in the chilling area, gonna have a nice little tournament with my homies. :cheers:



People only want to know if Islam draws a cult like motive out of people to cause the violence you are seeing.

When Muslims preach the religion of peace and then Muslims blow up an airport declaring that it's for Allah, then people start to question that notion.

[Nick Young]

People only want to know if Islam draws a cult like motive out of people to cause the violence you are seeing.

When Muslims preach the religion of peace and then Muslims blow up an airport declaring that it's for Allah, then people start to question that notion.
Exactly. Why is it so hard for you guys to address?

I am not saying that all Muslims are evil or that Islam is an evil ideology. I do not believe that it is a religion incompatible with the rest of the world.

I do believe that it is easy to interpret in a violent manner.
Otherwise it would not keep happening.
ISIS would not exist if it wasn't possible to interpret violent preachings in the Koran and the Hadiths.

Am I saying the same cannot be said about any other religion?
NO.

Am I saying that other religions aren't committing acts of terrorism?
NO.


Am I saying that more acts of terrorism seem to be committed in the name of Islam than any other religion in recent times?
YES.


Again, I will state the disclaimer. I do not think Islam is evil. i do not think Mohammad was evil. I do not think the Koran is evil. I think that overall it is a positive religion. A vast majority of Muslims throughout history were and are peaceful people who lead good and honest lives and help their community and families.

That does not mean that a violent and hateful branch of Islam also doesn't currently exist. That cannot be denied and I think it is wrong that EVERYONE is afraid to address it and people cry racism and Islamophobia every time someone does.

[poido123]

Exactly. Why is it so hard for you guys to address?

I am not saying that all Muslims are evil or that Islam is an evil ideology. I do not believe that it is a religion incompatible with the rest of the world.

I do believe that it is easy to interpret in a violent manner.
Otherwise it would not keep happening.
ISIS would not exist if it wasn't possible to interpret violent preachings in the Koran and the Hadiths.

Am I saying the same cannot be said about any other religion?
NO.

Am I saying that other religions aren't committing acts of terrorism?
NO.


Am I saying that more acts of terrorism seem to be committed in the name of Islam than any other religion in recent times?
YES.


Again, I will state the disclaimer. I do not think Islam is evil. i do not think Mohammad was evil. I do not think the Koran is evil. I think that overall it is a positive religion. A vast majority of Muslims throughout history were and are peaceful people who lead good and honest lives and help their community and families.

That does not mean that a violent and hateful branch of Islam also doesn't currently exist. That cannot be denied and I think it is wrong that EVERYONE is afraid to address it and people cry racism and Islamophobia every time someone does.


It's an interpretation within Islam which is keeping the good guys oppressed. The small sub groups of wahabbist/salafist influence are doing whatever it takes to keep control over the progressive part of Islam.

This is why you see warring factions within the sub groups. Essentially they are fighting for their own interpretation of what it means to be a good muslim.


Until you rid Islam of these evil and barbaric influences within the religion, they won't be able to shake off their destructive minority.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Here's a video on the Prophet(PBUH) that's short enough to get his persona across.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2iCCnBs1cUI

Anyone actually interested on why over a billion consider him the best man, as well as many many more ought to give it a glance. Save your eyesight and brain from the tomfoolery on ISH.

He's certainly a better man than those who attack him. So why is he being attacked. Lettuce find out together.

[DonDadda59]

The terrorists were from Russia, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. They traveled from Raqqa and got through the border with weapons and suicide vests.

Apparently those boys from the former Soviet Bloc have a reputation within ISIS as being some of the worst killers among their ranks.

[LJJ]

Apparently those boys from the former Soviet Bloc have a reputation within ISIS as being some of the worst killers among their ranks.

The most experienced and professional. Especially the Chechens have been waging jihad and terrorism against Russia for 30 years. And compared to other experienced jihadists like Iraqis, Pakistanis, etcetera, waging war against the Russian military is just a very different thing.

These guys came to Turkey as Syrian refugees. And the organizer behind the attack is a Chechen who was confirmed to be a war criminal and terrorist by Russia to Interpol, but still granted refugee status in the EU despite this.

Expect this angle to be downplayed at all costs in mainstream media.