Hillary vows to provide a green card to unlimited amount of foreign college graduates

[knickballer]

[QUOTE]As part of a comprehensive immigration solution, Hillary would

[highwhey]

This btch can't be president.

[Akrazotile]

I only care about economic corruption when it's Republicans. Otherwise Im too stupid to care, because Democrats support transgender rights and Im not smart enough to separate issues on an individual basis :(


Whoever is social justice enough to support transgenders can bend me over backward in government if they want :(


All I know is I just hate to see transgenders not have good bathroom rights. Thats why Ill always vote Democrat :(

[Jameerthefear]

err, don't too much see what's wrong with this?

[DonDadda59]

err, don't too much see what's wrong with this?

STEM masters and PHDs hate America. It is well known.

Plus, what use could they possibly be to a country like the USA?

Exactly.

[Jameerthefear]

STEM masters and PHDs hate America. It is well known.

Plus, what use could they possibly be to a country like the USA?

Exactly.
like, dude is acting like a masters/pHD in STEM is something easy to accomplish :oldlol:
i mean, these are immigrants who came over and are doing something positive and are net positives... i really dont get it

[DonDadda59]

like, dude is acting like a masters/pHD in STEM is something easy to accomplish :oldlol:
i mean, these are immigrants who came over and are doing something positive and are net positives... i really dont get it

PHD in Computer Science leads to cheap labor if the OP is to be believed. Might as well be selling chiclets on the side of a road in Tijuana.

[INDENT]Job openings for STEM positions take longer to fill than openings in other fields.

The median duration of advertising for a STEM vacancy is more than twice as long as for a non-STEM vacancy. For STEM openings requiring a Ph.D. or other professional degree, advertisements last an average of 50 days, compared to 33 days for all non-STEM vacancies. Even sub-bachelor

[knickballer]

like, dude is acting like a masters/pHD in STEM is something easy to accomplish :oldlol:
i mean, these are immigrants who came over and are doing something positive and are net positives... i really dont get it

Mainly because they're driving down wages for US graduates because these corporations complain and blatantly like to the government that they need more foreign workers. Alot of the h1b1 workers aren't all that qualified as consulting firms lie about the workers credentials just to get them hired so they get consulting revenue.

Again, it's a cheap ploy by Corporations to further drive down costs. The demographic group getting ****ed over is the young generation, the ones that recently graduated. It's in all fields not just STEM(Accounting, Business, etc). We have more students going to college more than ever before in our country, the supply is already there. Big business just wants to lower your wages and make you expandable.

[knickballer]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]PHD in Computer Science leads to cheap labor if the OP is to be believed. Might as well be selling chiclets on the side of a road in Tijuana.

[INDENT]Job openings for STEM positions take longer to fill than openings in other fields.

The median duration of advertising for a STEM vacancy is more than twice as long as for a non-STEM vacancy. For STEM openings requiring a Ph.D. or other professional degree, advertisements last an average of 50 days, compared to 33 days for all non-STEM vacancies. Even sub-bachelor

[DonDadda59]

OK Gary Johnson :oldlol:

Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

People are watching. :(

[DeuceWallaces]

Ha, **** that. Now they're taking my jobs. :lol

[Jameerthefear]

Mainly because they're driving down wages for US graduates because these corporations complain and blatantly like to the government that they need more foreign workers. Alot of the h1b1 workers aren't all that qualified as consulting firms lie about the workers credentials just to get them hired so they get consulting revenue.

Again, it's a cheap ploy by Corporations to further drive down costs. The demographic group getting ****ed over is the young generation, the ones that recently graduated. It's in all fields not just STEM(Accounting, Business, etc). We have more students going to college more than ever before in our country, the supply is already there. Big business just wants to lower your wages and make you expandable.
but none of what u said is actually true doe

[Jameerthefear]

Ha, **** that. Now they're taking my jobs. :lol
majoring in computer engineering :banana:

[DonDadda59]

Ha, **** that. Now they're taking my jobs. :lol

And another Drumpf voter is born (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNho8g0lsU) :applause:

[Akrazotile]

PHD in Computer Science leads to cheap labor if the OP is to be believed.


It may not right now, because it was not as popular of a field to go into in previous generations.

There are tons of kids in school for STEM now. Which tbh is part of the economic waste in this country, because kids could easily learn STEM without having to pay four years of expensive tuition that also requires gen ed classes and electives and lots of textbooks.

Our whole economic system is built on exploiting people who don't think for themselves. That's why the wealth gap has been shooting up the last few decades.

Moreover, we know big business and big government want as many immigrants as they can get in here. Who knows what kind of 'checking' they're going to do on these degrees. It's an easily corruptible process. But that's aight. Bring in more Tashfeen Malik's and let's take our chances!


If Hillary Clinton is for a policy, you can bet that it's not because it helps you. It's truly amazing how many people there are that are so blindly loyal to her they that they refuse to come to grips with this. I think a lot of her supporters just honestly resent America, and WANT to see her **** it up.

[Akrazotile]

Ha, **** that. Now they're taking my jobs. :lol


Do many foreigners go to plant college?


I'm legit curious. I don't know.

[Hawker]

If she wants to do this it needs to be like Australia. Identify which skills are actually in demand and put a cap on each skill. If the skill is no longer in demand, take the skill off the list. The person must display at least competent english which means a decent score on an english exam. I think the standards should be quite high to be honest. You're going to be useless if you can't speak decent english.

The degree needs to be vetted by a USA society ex. NSPE for engineers.

Needs to include essays of experience to prove they are an engineer, doctor, scientist etc. If it's an accredited university, no need.

More weight needs to be put on work experience for engineering type roles as masters/PhD are kinda useless for those in my opinion. Science and math specific are different.

If person is bringing a spouse, spouse must also display at least knowledgeable english.

Make it hard to get in so those that really, really want to be in the USA get in.

[poido123]

Hillary playing that immigrant friendly bullshit way too hard.


How can anyone vote this obvious lying hag.

[Jameerthefear]

If she wants to do this it needs to be like Australia. Identify which skills are actually in demand and put a cap on each skill. If the skill is no longer in demand, take the skill off the list. The person must display at least competent english which means a decent score on an english exam. I think the standards should be quite high to be honest. You're going to be useless if you can't speak decent english.

The degree needs to be vetted by a USA society ex. NSPE for engineers.

Needs to include essays of experience to prove they are an engineer, doctor, scientist etc. If it's an accredited university, no need.

More weight needs to be put on work experience for engineering type roles as masters/PhD are kinda useless for those in my opinion. Science and math specific are different.

If person is bringing a spouse, spouse must also display at least knowledgeable english.

Make it hard to get in so those that really, really want to be in the USA get in.
They'll probably have a caveat like 'ABET accredited schools only'
Agreed with most of your points.

[sd3035]

all the decent positions will be going to third world people with degrees :lol

[IcanzIIravor]

If she wants to do this it needs to be like Australia. Identify which skills are actually in demand and put a cap on each skill. If the skill is no longer in demand, take the skill off the list. The person must display at least competent english which means a decent score on an english exam. I think the standards should be quite high to be honest. You're going to be useless if you can't speak decent english.

The degree needs to be vetted by a USA society ex. NSPE for engineers.

Needs to include essays of experience to prove they are an engineer, doctor, scientist etc. If it's an accredited university, no need.

More weight needs to be put on work experience for engineering type roles as masters/PhD are kinda useless for those in my opinion. Science and math specific are different.

If person is bringing a spouse, spouse must also display at least knowledgeable english.

Make it hard to get in so those that really, really want to be in the USA get in.

I'd be okay with this. You want smart and highly skilled migration to the country. First people complain about unskilled migrants (which is a legit complaint with regards to illegal migrants), but now also complain about the possibility of highly skilled and highly intelligent people legally coming? These are the type of people we want coming. From this point the discussion should be about what Hawker has mentioned.

[Akrazotile]

If she wants to do this it needs to be like Australia. Identify which skills are actually in demand and put a cap on each skill. If the skill is no longer in demand, take the skill off the list. The person must display at least competent english which means a decent score on an english exam. I think the standards should be quite high to be honest. You're going to be useless if you can't speak decent english.

The degree needs to be vetted by a USA society ex. NSPE for engineers.

Needs to include essays of experience to prove they are an engineer, doctor, scientist etc. If it's an accredited university, no need.

More weight needs to be put on work experience for engineering type roles as masters/PhD are kinda useless for those in my opinion. Science and math specific are different.

If person is bringing a spouse, spouse must also display at least knowledgeable english.

Make it hard to get in so those that really, really want to be in the USA get in.


This makes sense of course but the issue is our politicians and their owners simply want as many people here as possible, because they want global power. And you have to have a country with lots of might and output.

Countries like Netherlands, Finland, Costa Rica etc dont have huge populations with enormous GDP's, but they have a great standard of living. However, their leaders cant go makin land grabs and running the global weapons trade. Because they dont have the human capital.

Countries like USA, China, Russia, and the 'EU' are all fighting to be the bully on the block. And that takes human resources. Our leaders dont care about our quality of life. They want a country they can go run the world with. They dont have as much sway in Syria and Pakistan and these other places. They want those people HERE, serving THEM.

Hillary is a politician willing to do their bidding. And she KNOWS liberals will eat this up bc it gives them a chance to show their tolerance. I swear, it's like 2nd grade psychology. Hillary says "Ok, who can be the most tolerant, show me your hands!!" And the liberals all start jumping up and down raising their arms as high as possible, wiggling their fingers to try and get an extra few millimeters in. They gotta feel like theyre the moral cream of the crop. These hipsters always gotta be the pretentious, 'look how Im an expert on the things youre not' type dudes. Only reason theyre so tooerant is bc conservatives are less so. These dudes tryin hard af to prove they matter. And theyre getting manipulated into oblivion :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

I'd be okay with this. You want smart and highly skilled migration to the country. First people complain about unskilled migrants (which is a legit complaint with regards to illegal migrants), but now also complain about the possibility of highly skilled and highly intelligent people legally coming? These are the type of people we want coming. From this point the discussion should be about what Hawker has mentioned.


Except if you think our govt will ACTUALLY have requirements this thorough and demanding I think you will find yourself mistaken.

[~primetime~]

Oh no, please don't let super educated people in here.

[IcanzIIravor]

Except if you think our govt will ACTUALLY have requirements this thorough and demanding I think you will find yourself mistaken.

Then exercise your power to vote them out. At some point you have to be an adult and make adult decisions and have adult discussions. This would be a good proposal. Now it will be up to the GOP to put in the safe guards that address the concerns of people, if a President Hillary wants to get a bill like this passed (should she win). Simply being a cynic and letting your fears prevent you from moving in any direction is ridiculous.

[nathanjizzle]

Corporate America stays winning. Importing more and more cheap labor to drive down wages while there's an abundance of college graduates. Despite making record profits when is it enough? Hold this W Corporate America :applause:

But meanwhile 71% of Americans think the economy is rigged including 81% of African Americans. Wages across the board has declined over the past few years. Expenses continue to rise, debt is rising. Job growth is apparently the strongest it's ever been but everyone that studied the situation knows that all the good jobs that were lost during the recession never came back and all the job growth was added for very low paying part time retail jobs. And people wonder why Trump and Bernie get so popular. It's because none of these globalists in power are listening to the people and instead the media will brand them as being inbred retards. It's the arrogance and greed by the elite that sees Britian leave the EU(not the point of the topic but more of the fact the British people felt they've been neglected by their own politicans)

Hold this L middle class America
Hold this L anyone who isn't some banker or politican
Hold this L any hard working individual

Globalists stay winning

nothing wrong with this. you come here on a student visa, you study in an elite college where you graduate. and then you get a green card. Students that fit this category most likely come from wealthy families.

[Overdrive]

It it was Trump who said the US needed to stop the influx of immigrants for cheap labor and more future graduates in fields personnel is missing you guys would be all over his dick, slurping.

Yet you talk about how liberals can't view topics separately?

Knickballer aren't you some immigrant yourself?

[GINOBILI!]

I only care about economic corruption when it's Republicans. Otherwise Im too stupid to care, because Democrats support transgender rights and Im not smart enough to separate issues on an individual basis :(


Whoever is social justice enough to support transgenders can bend me over backward in government if they want :(


All I know is I just hate to see transgenders not have good bathroom rights. Thats why Ill always vote Democrat :(
I believe in the teachings of Jesus, as long as it isn't the teachings that involve helping those more needy than me. I only believe in the important things that Jesus taught, like immigrants are bad and the government is trying to take my guns. Also, it is economically sound to protect the rich by making sure they aren't overly taxed so those generous people can afford to pay us $7 per hour (which is too high). I'm sure they won't pocket the savings and have the money they save trickle down to us.

[DonDadda59]

I'd be okay with this. You want smart and highly skilled migration to the country. First people complain about unskilled migrants (which is a legit complaint with regards to illegal migrants), but now also complain about the possibility of highly skilled and highly intelligent people legally coming? These are the type of people we want coming. From this point the discussion should be about what Hawker has mentioned.

Them complaining about poor migrants who probably can't speak English taking their jerbs is just a smoke screen. They don't care about the education level, skill level, or sparkling personality any illegal or legal migrant has... They just don't want anyone in the country who isn't like them.

I know, I was just as shocked as you are now when I found out myself. But it's true.

[NumberSix]

To be fair, Trump has proposed this exact same thing.

[UK2K]

If she wants to do this it needs to be like Australia. Identify which skills are actually in demand and put a cap on each skill. If the skill is no longer in demand, take the skill off the list. The person must display at least competent english which means a decent score on an english exam. I think the standards should be quite high to be honest. You're going to be useless if you can't speak decent english.

The degree needs to be vetted by a USA society ex. NSPE for engineers.

Needs to include essays of experience to prove they are an engineer, doctor, scientist etc. If it's an accredited university, no need.

More weight needs to be put on work experience for engineering type roles as masters/PhD are kinda useless for those in my opinion. Science and math specific are different.

If person is bringing a spouse, spouse must also display at least knowledgeable english.

Make it hard to get in so those that really, really want to be in the USA get in.

Agreed.

But that's racist. Unless Hillary suggests it, then it's not.

[Dresta]

Them complaining about poor migrants who probably can't speak English taking their jerbs is just a smoke screen. They don't care about the education level, skill level, or sparkling personality any illegal or legal migrant has... They just don't want anyone in the country who isn't like them.

I know, I was just as shocked as you are now when I found out myself. But it's true.
Aaaaand Don goes full retard again. Whines about rising inequality in one post, says unskilled workers only care about immigrants because they're bigots in the next; how stupid does someone have to be not to notice the contradiction here? To in one post complain about inequality, and in the next pretend those people whose wages have been depressed due to mass migration have nothing to complain about. Make up your damned mind you ignorant fool! You can't pretend to care about the poor while calling them bigots for questioning policies that make them poorer.

:hammerhead:

[Hawker]

I'd be okay with this. You want smart and highly skilled migration to the country. First people complain about unskilled migrants (which is a legit complaint with regards to illegal migrants), but now also complain about the possibility of highly skilled and highly intelligent people legally coming? These are the type of people we want coming. From this point the discussion should be about what Hawker has mentioned.

I don't think anybody is complaining really about skilled people because these people will assimilate quite easily because their skills will actually be valued in a free market society and they will succeed.

The skill just needs to be in demand and the complaint is immigration in fields that aren't in demand just because they have a PhD or graduate degree.

Example: It's not necessary to immigrate skills based on oil and gas experience/degrees as it's currently in a down market and any jobs will be in high demand with domestic talent.

[Nick Young]

Shillary:facepalm

[Nick Young]

I don't think anybody is complaining really about skilled people because these people will assimilate quite easily because their skills will actually be valued in a free market society and they will succeed.

The skill just needs to be in demand and the complaint is immigration in fields that aren't in demand just because they have a PhD or graduate degree.

Example: It's not necessary to immigrate skills based on oil and gas experience/degrees as it's currently in a down market and any jobs will be in high demand with domestic talent.
We do not need international gender studies majors flooding our shores.

[DonDadda59]

Aaaaand Don goes full retard again. Whines about rising inequality in one post, says unskilled workers only care about immigrants because they're bigots in the next; how stupid does someone have to be not to notice the contradiction here? To in one post complain about inequality, and in the next pretend those people whose wages have been depressed due to mass migration have nothing to complain about. Make up your damned mind you ignorant fool! You can't pretend to care about the poor while calling them bigots for questioning policies that make them poorer.

:hammerhead:

So you're just gonna follow me around everywhere I go?

It's your life. Buckle up. :cheers:

Also, you should read This (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/)

Certain sectors of Americans need to stop wasting energy on trying to make it 1954 forever and blaming immigrants for their problems. Plenty of work to go around (http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/08/news/economy/us-economy-job-openings-quits/). They just don't have the skills to fill them. Which is why the government has to recruit those who do.

Better yourself, stop pointing fingers and trying to turn back time. Make yourself relevant and useful in the year 2016. Work on your skills and fundamentals, Timmy D style. America will be better for it.

Time doesn't stand still and definitely doesn't go backwards (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnlTrq6wLf0) :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

We do not need international gender studies majors flooding our shores.
Read the headline. Says for STEM only

[Nick Young]

Woooooooooooooooooo!

what is wrong with that then? Nothing in my book.

[DonDadda59]

Woooooooooooooooooo!

what is wrong with that then? Nothing in my book.

An immigrant who steals Natives' jobs sees 'nothing wrong in his book' with immigrants stealing Natives' jobs?

Shocking.

:coleman:

[Dresta]

So you're just gonna follow me around everywhere I go?

It's your life. Buckle up. :cheers:

Also, you should read This (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/)

Certain sectors of Americans need to stop wasting energy on trying to make it 1954 forever and blaming immigrants for their problems. Plenty of work to go around (http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/08/news/economy/us-economy-job-openings-quits/). They just don't have the skills to fill them. Which is why the government has to recruit those who do.

Better yourself, stop pointing fingers and trying to turn back time. Make yourself relevant and useful in the year 2016. Work on your skills and fundamentals, Timmy D style. America will be better for it.

Time doesn't stand still and definitely doesn't go backwards (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnlTrq6wLf0) :applause:
Seriously, can you read? None of this post has anything to do with what i've said, apart from the fatuous comments about going back to 1954. And sorry, but having a problem with unrestricted mass migration and the depression in wages it causes, has nothing to do with wanting to return to the past. That is a straw man. Protecting the interests of your citizens has always been the responsibility of the politicians, and has nothing to do with any particular time or place. It is a general rule which has been stuck to by every successful civilisation in world history; you are the one who is trying to live in some kind of fairy land where politicians care more about outsiders than their own citizens.

And I don't work in America, so yeah, this has nothing to do with me you complete tool.

[DonDadda59]

Seriously, can you read? None of this post has anything to do with what i've said, apart from the fatuous comments about going back to 1954. And sorry, but having a problem with unrestricted mass migration and the depression in wages it causes, has nothing to do with wanting to return to the past. That is a straw man. Protecting the interests of your citizens has always been the responsibility of the politicians, and has nothing to do with any particular time or place. It is a general rule which has been stuck to by every successful civilisation in world history; you are the one who is trying to live in some kind of fairy land where politicians care more about outsiders than their own citizens.

And I don't work in America, so yeah, this has nothing to do with me you complete tool.

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard.

These were the foundations of the American Dream.

We moved forward, ceaselessly pushing boundaries- even beyond the limits of the celestial body called Earth. Manifest destiny is our calling.

But now we point fingers at immigrants and blame them for our personal shortcomings. Shameful.

Learn a new skill. Make yourself relevant and useful in the present instead of longing for a Utopian past that never existed. GROW.

That is what will make America greater. :applause:

[UK2K]

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard.

These were the foundations of the American Dream.

We moved forward, ceaselessly pushing boundaries- even beyond the limits of the celestial body called Earth. Manifest destiny is our calling.

But now we point fingers at immigrants and blame them for our personal shortcomings. Shameful.

Learn a new skill. Make yourself relevant and useful in the present instead of longing for a Utopian past that never existed. GROW.

That is what will make America greater. :applause:

It's not about 'OUR' shortcomings...

It's about having a large, unskilled labor force that is having enough trouble finding work, and then having MORE unskilled laborers brought in, who abuse the **** out of the system because they can.

I've got no issues with immigration (as much as it breaks your heart to hear it) when its controlled and legal. I especially dont have an issue with well educated, English speaking immigrants, as long as its controlled and legal.

[Nick Young]

An immigrant who steals Natives' jobs sees 'nothing wrong in his book' with immigrants stealing Natives' jobs?

Shocking.

:coleman:
Except I don't take jobs, I created my own job, and I help Native artists to also create jobs for themselves and find new clients.

Do you have a problem with people who help create jobs for others now?

I have zero problem with legal immigrants in America, or anywhere else for that matter.


Stop projecting and strawmanning. Some people on ISH have problems with immigrants. I have no problem with legal immigration, or legal immigrants who work hard and integrate, and I never have, no matter what race, religion or nationality they are.

[Hawker]

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard.

These were the foundations of the American Dream.

We moved forward, ceaselessly pushing boundaries- even beyond the limits of the celestial body called Earth. Manifest destiny is our calling.

But now we point fingers at immigrants and blame them for our personal shortcomings. Shameful.

Learn a new skill. Make yourself relevant and useful in the present instead of longing for a Utopian past that never existed. GROW.

That is what will make America greater. :applause:

Then stop complaining about outsourcing.

[DonDadda59]

Except I don't take jobs, I created my own job, and I help Native artists to also create jobs for themselves and find new clients.

Do you have a problem with people who help create jobs for others now?

I have zero problem with legal immigrants in America, or anywhere else for that matter.


Stop projecting and strawmanning. Some people on ISH have problems with immigrants. I have no problem with legal immigration, or legal immigrants who work hard and integrate, and I never have, no matter what race, religion or nationality they are.

Immigrants gonna immigrant. :confusedshrug:


Then stop complaining about outsourcing.

Make me.

[poido123]

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Work hard.

These were the foundations of the American Dream.

We moved forward, ceaselessly pushing boundaries- even beyond the limits of the celestial body called Earth. Manifest destiny is our calling.

But now we point fingers at immigrants and blame them for our personal shortcomings. Shameful.

Learn a new skill. Make yourself relevant and useful in the present instead of longing for a Utopian past that never existed. GROW.

That is what will make America greater. :applause:




Hasn't anyone worked it out yet?


Don doesn't actually care about any of the nonsense he types.


He just wants an immigrant black America and to rid the whiteys, no matter how much that might destroy the country. What person in their right mind would want Hillary in power?


But he will turn around and tell you you're a bad man for not wanting those immigrants, because it doesn't suit his agenda :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Hasn't anyone worked it out yet?


Don doesn't actually care about any of the nonsense he types.


He just wants an immigrant black America and to rid the whiteys, no matter how much that might destroy the country. What person in their right mind would want Hillary in power?


But he will turn around and tell you you're a bad man for not wanting those immigrants, because it doesn't suit his agenda :oldlol:

Finally, someone figured it out.

Take a bow. :applause: