List of players that BOTH Jordan and Lebron faced

[3ball]

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1) SHAQ



Top Lebron moments:



2004-2006 were the only years of Lebron's career where Shaq had some prime left - during those years, Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting (2004 and 2005), and lost the conference to him (2005 and 2006).. Lebron never dunked on him.




Top Jordan moments:



Jordan won MVP over prime Shaq in 1996 and 1998 and swept Shaq in 1996 ECF.. He also dunked on him, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-10-2015/LfHlds.gif).




2. KOBE:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron watched Kobe win more championships during the time that both were in their prime, and also watched Kobe save the team in the 2008 Olympics.

- He missed the much-anticipated, Kobe/Lebron matchup in 2009 and 2010 Finals, because his top-seeded team underachieved by losing to lower seeds in earlier rounds.




Top Jordan moments:



- MJ dunked on Kobe in their first ever possession vs. each other, shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-13-2015/Q3fm0o.gif)

- MJ showed his protege how it's done by hitting the game-winner in the first game of the 1997 Finals, after Kobe had airballed 4 straight game-winner attempts against the same team earlier in the playoffs.

- MJ passed the torch to his protoge in the 1998 all-star game by scoring on him at will (5 times in head-to-head possessions, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN3sto7KGQs&t=0m16s)).




3. DUNCAN



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here (http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif))... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here (https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif)..

Later in that 1998 season, Jordan won the Finals against the team (Jazz) that destroyed Duncan's Spurs in WCF 2nd Round (Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs won 56 games in RS).




4. GARNETT:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got his shit pushed in during 2008 and 2010 ECSF




Top Jordan moments:



- Jordan schooled Garnett in the 1998 all-star game (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-30-2015/q8-1iR.gif)) and during the regular season (shown here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/6agjm-.gif), here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/EfFINb.gif) and here (http://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2015/Jp9ACT.gif)).

- The only time where MJ and Garnett were matched up defensively for an entire game was during a 2002 contest - both were matched up at SF, and 38-year old Jordan scored 35 on Garnett in every way imagineable, including various blow-by dunks and layups, shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0).




5. SHAWN MARION:



Top Lebron moments:



- Lebron got locked down by OLD Shawn Marion during the 2011 Finals, which was one of the greatest chokes ever by a star in the Finals.




Top Jordan moments:



- 38-year old Jordan hit the game-winner in PRIME Shawn Marion's face during a contest in 2002 (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjo06p5zchg&t=0m09s)), and then destroyed him for 41 points in another contest (shown here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd9ayPlqCMg)).




6. 2003-2004 seasons



JORDAN 2003: 19.3 PER.. 20.0 ppg.. 44.5 fg
LEBRON 2004: 18.3 PER.. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7 fg




THREAD CLIFFS:

When you consider that Jordan only had success against the best guys that Lebron played against, it's clear that BOTH guys play in the modern era - and that's the point I'm making.

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[KiiiiNG]

Finally a non-biased 3ball thread.

[Ben Simmons]

This is one of your worst threads 3ball.

[PistonsFan#21]

I dont think you understand the definition of ''TOP'' moment when it comes to Lebron

[TomCat]

This is a good thread.

I rate this a 3 star.

[JT123]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2817947/billbored.gif

[NBAGOAT]

this may be your most hilarious thread ever and that's saying something. This is Dray n Klay level now. Some small things to pick out since everything here is ridiculous.

"- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here)... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here.."

"- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him"

So you fail to mention Lebron's great game 7 performance vs the Spurs and are propping up some stuff Jordan did during the RS. You did similar stuff for the Garnett stuff too by not mentioning the 2012 ECF while propping up some regular season game for Jordan. I thought you didn't care about RS stats. I don't even know what to say about the all star game stuff.

Also, Jordan beating a Jazz team that beat the Lakers and Spurs says absolutely nothing about Jordan vs Kobe or Duncan(especially considering Kobe was a rookie on the bench). I guess Lebron beat Kobe and Duncan in 12 too then since OKC beat the Spurs and Lakers.

[3ball]

I dont think you understand the definition of ''TOP'' moment when it comes to Lebron


It doesn't matter because Jordan didn't have bad moments against Shaq, Kobe, Duncan or Garnett like Lebron did.


- Kobe won more rings than Lebron while both are in their prime (compared to Kobe being protege to Jordan).

- Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting during the last 2 years of Shaq's prime and lost the conference to him twice (compared to old MJ winning MVP over prime Shaq twice, and sweeping him in ECF).

- And Lebron was dominated by Garnett and Duncan in the playoffs, (while Jordan dominated both in 1998 season)..


The OP provides the video evidence of all these things.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-magic.html

[3ball]

this may be your most hilarious thread ever and that's saying something. This is Dray n Klay level now. Some small things to pick out since everything here is ridiculous.


The point I'm making is that BOTH guys played in the modern era - the best way to demonstrate this point is to show that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron ever played against (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett).

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[3ball]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1995-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-bulls-vs-magic.html
only full seasons are being considered in the analysis

[WayOfWad3]

I will say it was an entertaining read. Felt like I was reading a WWE novel with basketballs

[Ben Simmons]

only full seasons are being considered in the analysis
So Jordan had more rest?

[3ball]

I will say it was an entertaining read. Felt like I was reading a WWE novel with basketballs


the point i'm making is that MJ's last ring occurred only 6 years before Lebron entered the league, so MJ and Lebron played against many of the same players.



- i.e. MJ won all the awards in 1998 over all-stars Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd (Lebron played against all these guys), and also Hakeem, David Robinson, Penny, Grant Hill, Drexler, Pippen, Payton, Ewing, and more


So BOTH guys played in the modern era - this notion that Lebron's accolades should be worth more because he played in the "modern era" is nonsense.. If that's the case, then Lebron's stats should be obsolete 6 years after he wins his last ring, like Jordan's were.

[NBAGOAT]

the point i'm making is that MJ's last ring occurred only 6 years before Lebron entered the league, so MJ and Lebron played against many of the same players.


- i.e. MJ won all the awards in 1998 over all-stars Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Kidd (Lebron played against all these guys), and also Hakeem, David Robinson, Penny, Grant Hill, Drexler, Pippen, Payton, Ewing, and more

So BOTH guys played in the modern era - this notion that Lebron's accolades should be worth more because he played in the "modern era" is nonsense.. If that's the case, then Lebron's stats should be obsolete 6 years after he wins his last ring, like Jordan's were.
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no your point is that Lebron got owned by the same guys Jordan owned but you're cherrypicking or straight up ignoring stuff. Another example "Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting during the last 2 years of Shaq's prime and lost the conference to him twice (compared to old MJ winning MVP over prime Shaq twice, and sweeping him in ECF)." I mean this is beyond bs, 96-98 was still close to prime MJ and 19-20 year old lebron wasn't close to his prime.

[3ball]

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Jordan's last ring occurred only 6 years before Lebron entered league and both guys played against many of the same players - so BOTH guys played in the modern era and the notion that Lebron's accolades should be worth more because he played in the "modern era" is nonsense

This point is best demonstrated by observing that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron ever played against (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett) - the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[3ball]

no your point is that Lebron got owned by the same guys Jordan owned but you're cherrypicking or straight up ignoring stuff. Another example "Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting during the last 2 years of Shaq's prime and lost the conference to him twice (compared to old MJ winning MVP over prime Shaq twice, and sweeping him in ECF)." I mean this is beyond bs, 96-98 was still close to prime MJ and 19-20 year old lebron wasn't close to his prime.


The point I'm making is that BOTH guys played in the modern era - the best way to demonstrate this point is to show that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron ever played against (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett).

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's frieking protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[SouBeachTalents]

no your point is that Lebron got owned by the same guys Jordan owned but you're cherrypicking or straight up ignoring stuff. Another example "Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting during the last 2 years of Shaq's prime and lost the conference to him twice (compared to old MJ winning MVP over prime Shaq twice, and sweeping him in ECF)." I mean this is beyond bs, 96-98 was still close to prime MJ and 19-20 year old lebron wasn't close to his prime.

This whole thread topic is idiotic and with zero context. 3ball brings up Kobe when he wasn't even STARTING in '98, and pretends Jordan faced the same Kobe that LeBron did from '06-'10. And comparing Shaq & LeBron is just stupid considering they never even played together when they were both in their prime. By the time LeBron was just starting to enter his prime ('06/'07), Shaq was at the tail end of his. Similar situation happened with Duncan

[3ball]

This whole thread topic is idiotic and with zero context. 3ball brings up Kobe when he wasn't even STARTING in '98. And comparing Shaq & LeBron is just stupid considering they never even played together when they were both in their prime. By the time LeBron was just starting to enter his prime ('06/'07), Shaq was at the tail end of his. Similar situation happened with Duncan


The point I'm making is that BOTH guys played in the modern era - the best way to demonstrate this point is to show that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron ever played against (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett).

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's frieking protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[NBAGOAT]

This whole thread topic is idiotic and with zero context. 3ball brings up Kobe when he wasn't even STARTING in '98, and pretends Jordan faced the same Kobe that LeBron did from '06-'10. And comparing Shaq & LeBron is just stupid considering they never even played together when they were both in their prime. By the time LeBron was just starting to enter his prime ('06/'07), Shaq was at the tail end of his. Similar situation happened with Duncan

yep I mentioned it too, Kobe was a rookie in 97, what he did that year really doesn't matter at all. I can't believe he actually brought up all star games however and used the logic that somehow the Jazz losing to Jordan somehow says something about Duncan/Kobe. Ofc, he completely ignores it for a year like 2012 where Lebron "beat" Kobe/Duncan by his same criteria. It really should say something about Lebron's standing all time that 3ball has run out of new material.

[3ball]

yep I mentioned it too, Kobe was a rookie in 97, what he did that year really doesn't matter at all. I can't believe he actually brought up all star games however and used the logic that somehow the Jazz losing to Jordan somehow says something about Duncan/Kobe. Ofc, he completely ignores it for a year like 2012 where Lebron "beat" Kobe/Duncan by his same criteria. It really should say something about Lebron's standing all time that 3ball has run out of new material.


The point I'm making is that BOTH guys played in the modern era - this point is best demonstrated by observing that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron ever played against (Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett).

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[3ball]

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THREAD CLIFFS:

When you consider that Jordan only had success against the best guys that Lebron played against, it's clear that BOTH guys play in the modern era.

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
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[bigkingsfan]

Modern era

Lebron took two tries to beat the Pistons, while MJ took four.

[PistonsFan#21]

It doesn't matter because Jordan didn't have bad moments against Shaq, Kobe, Duncan or Garnett like Lebron did.


- Kobe won more rings than Lebron while both are in their prime (compared to Kobe being protege to Jordan).

- Lebron finished behind Shaq in MVP voting during the last 2 years of Shaq's prime and lost the conference to him twice (compared to old MJ winning MVP over prime Shaq twice, and sweeping him in ECF).

- And Lebron was dominated by Garnett and Duncan in the playoffs, (while Jordan dominated both in 1998 season)..


The OP provides the video evidence of all these things.

I dont think you understand my post...How is Lebron finishing behind Shaq in MP voting or getting ''outplayed'' by Duncan a ''Top'' Moment for him? :confusedshrug:

I know you are trolling here but atleast pick actual top moments for both players if you wanna compare them

[AintNoSunshine]

Lebron dominates the hell out of Kobe

Kobe in turn drops 55 point MJ's azz.


hmmmm

[GINOBILI!]

This is one of your worst threads 3ball.
This. I agree with the notion that MJ is better than LeBron, but the agenda couldn't be more clear. He shows videos of Jordan dunking on guys, but nothing about LeBron's dunk on Duncan. Also, the rest of the post was complete shit anyway.

[diamenz]

what's your case for biggie > 2pac, 3ball?

[3ball]

This. I agree with the notion that MJ is better than LeBron, but the agenda couldn't be more clear.


By showing that Jordan's last ring came only 6 years before Lebron entered the league, and by showing that Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron played against, it becomes clear that BOTH guys played in the modern era - and that's the point of the thread - to show that BOTH guys played in the modern era.

Heck, the best player that Lebron faced in his prime was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege!

So since both guys play in the modern era, Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.






He shows videos of Jordan dunking on guys, but nothing about LeBron's dunk on Duncan. Also, the rest of the post was complete shit anyway.



Lebron's dunk over Duncan isn't worth posting because Jordan ALSO dunked on Duncan:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/zhrWFj.gif


Whereas only Jordan dunked on Shaq, which is why I showed that one in the OP.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

What about the "no regard for human life" dunk on KG?

[3ball]

What about the "no regard for human life" dunk on KG?



Garnett didn't leave his feet to contest that dunk, so it was no different than 38-year old Jordan's blow-by of Garnett in 2002:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2015/sj1ap2.gif


Again, I only posted Jordan's dunk over Shaq in the OP, because Lebron has never dunked over Shaq...

Otoh, there's no need to show Lebron's dunks versus Garnett or Duncan, since Jordan's been there done that, and as an old man to boot - Jordan has made poster plays on Garnett, Duncan and Shaq, while Lebron only Duncan and Garnett

[ShawkFactory]

this may be your most hilarious thread ever and that's saying something. This is Dray n Klay level now. Some small things to pick out since everything here is ridiculous.

"- Jordan MADE his game-tying 3-pointer from the exact same spot during his first meeting with Duncan/Popovich in 1998 (the shot is shown here)... Then he dominated the OT, including 2 dunks over Duncan, shown here.."

"- Lebron missed the infamous game-tying 3-pointer and needed Ray Allen to save him"

So you fail to mention Lebron's great game 7 performance vs the Spurs and are propping up some stuff Jordan did during the RS. You did similar stuff for the Garnett stuff too by not mentioning the 2012 ECF while propping up some regular season game for Jordan. I thought you didn't care about RS stats. I don't even know what to say about the all star game stuff.

Also, Jordan beating a Jazz team that beat the Lakers and Spurs says absolutely nothing about Jordan vs Kobe or Duncan(especially considering Kobe was a rookie on the bench). I guess Lebron beat Kobe and Duncan in 12 too then since OKC beat the Spurs and Lakers.
Why would you need to type this many words for this thread :lol

Lebron and Jordan are more than 2 decades apart in age.

And the explanations for each are incredibly trollish. Truly dray n klay levels. Like, ignore list levels.

[tmacattack33]

:roll:

[3ball]

And the explanations for each are incredibly trollish.


The point of the thread is to show that BOTH guys played in the "modern" era, since Jordan's last ring occurred only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and so they played against many of the same players, and also since Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron played against (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett)..

Heck, the best player in their prime that Lebron faced was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege..

All of these things prove that BOTH MJ and Lebron played in the modern era, which means Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.

[ShawkFactory]

The point of the thread is to show that BOTH guys played in the "modern" era, since Jordan's last ring occurred only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and so they played against many of the same players, and also since Jordan only had success against the best players Lebron played against (Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Garnett)..

Heck, the best player in their prime that Lebron faced was Kobe, who was a copycat, poor man's Jordan and Jordan's protege..

All of these things prove that BOTH MJ and Lebron played in the modern era, which means Lebron needs 6 rings and superior stats to eclipse MJ, and he has neither.
Well you listed that Jordan beat a team that a rookie Duncan lost to. Why not list that Lebron also beat a team that Duncan lost to?

Or whatever....

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Garnett didn't leave his feet to contest that dunk, so it was no different than 38-year old Jordan's blow-by of Garnett in 2002:


http://i.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2015/sj1ap2.gif


Again, I only posted Jordan's dunk over Shaq in the OP, because Lebron has never dunked over Shaq...

Otoh, there's no need to show Lebron's dunks versus Garnett or Duncan, since Jordan's been there done that, and as an old man to boot - Jordan has made poster plays on Garnett, Duncan and Shaq, while Lebron only Duncan and Garnett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCxSqSXGDY

he clearly left his feet.

[3ball]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCxSqSXGDY

he clearly left his feet.



Debateable - he's actually just shoving Lebron without leaving his feet, or if anything, to step backwards while shoving.


https://media.giphy.com/media/LO4YiTn7eZcqI/giphy.gif


Regardless, Jordan's last ring was only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and they played against many of the same players.'

Infact, Jordan played against the top 4 players that Lebron ever played against - Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and Garnett - and performed better against them than Lebron did:



SHAQ: Jordan finished higher in MVP voting than prime Shaq while Lebron didn't

KOBE: the best in-their-prime player that Lebron faced (Kobe) was a poor man's, copy-cat Jordan

DUNCAN: Jordan made the game-tying shot against Popovich/Duncan from the exact same spot that Lebron had missed and needed Ray to save him (as detailed in OP)

GARNETT: Jordan routinely dominated all-star Garnett in 1998 and 2002 (seriously - show me where Lebron blows by garnett like Jordan did in the OP), while Lebron got his shit pushed in in 2008 and 2010 ECSF


Since both guys played many of the same players and Jordan actually played better against the best guys that Lebron faced, we can conclude that BOTH guys played in the modern era, which means Lebron can't get any break on the accolades he needs to be goat - he needs 6 rings and better stats to eclipse MJ, but he has neither.