Kevin Love has lost 0 Series with Lebron, Wade & Bosh lost two

[coined]

Wade & Bosh lost two series with Lebron ( finals 2011, & 2014). And many other series that went to game 7 because Bosh turned Roy Hibbert into Shaquille Oneal.

Kevin Love lost 0 series playing alongside Lebron, including Love won 3 series in sweep compared to just two Bosh & Wade had next to Lebron.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade & Bosh certainly weren't the main reason they lost in 2011

[Dray n Klay]

Look at Wade and Boshs playoff stats from 2012-2014


None of them had a good playoff run in that span

[KirbyPls]

Look at Wade and Boshs playoff stats from 2012-2014


None of them had a good playoff run in that span

Stop it. Wade was a monster in 2012 and came up huge in the 2013 Finals. Just stop.

[Dray n Klay]

Stop it. Wade was a monster in 2012 and came up huge in the 2013 Finals. Just stop.



19.6 ppg on 45% is "coming up huge" in the Finals?? :facepalm :oldlol:



Post his stats

[coined]

Wade & Bosh certainly weren't the main reason they lost in 2011


Lebron took all the heat, but it was dumb Spoelstra who designed his team around Wade in 2011. He made Wade the player, and forced Lebron to differ. Wade failed to carry as the man. The next season they changed it all to Lebron being the man, and Wade to defer.It Worked.

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron took all the heat, but it was dumb Spoelstra who designed his team around Wade in 2011. He made Wade the player, and forced Lebron to differ. Wade failed to carry as the man. The next season they changed it all to Lebron being the man, and Wade to defer.It Worked.

Agreed.


Btw, Lebron in 2011 Finals was still better than Wade in 2013 and 2014

[Bankaii]

Lebron took all the heat, but it was dumb Spoelstra who designed his team around Wade in 2011. He made Wade the player, and forced Lebron to differ. Wade failed to carry as the man. The next season they changed it all to Lebron being the man, and Wade to defer.It Worked.
This actually is pretty true.:applause:

[Lebronxrings]

19.6 ppg on 45% is "coming up huge" in the Finals?? :facepalm :oldlol:



Post his stats
This

[ShawkFactory]

Whats your point?

[SilkkTheShocker]

This
Yep. They made wade the man in 2011 and he wasn't good enough to get Miami over the hump. And he disappeared a ton in the 2013 finals. Heat made their game 6 comeback with his ass on the bench. And he might have had the worst series for a HOF ever during the 2014 finals.

[ScalsFan21]

This myth about 2013 being anything short of a carry job needs to end fast.

Wade showed up in TWO finals games out of 7, game 4 and game 7. Both must-win games admittedly, but LeBron's lack of help during long, pivotal stretches of that run was beyond glaring. You didn't know what Wade's health was going to be like any given game and there were times he was out there gobbling up 30+ MPG doing nothing but killing spacing.

It wasn't the absolute unmitigated DISASTER that '14 (and '15 of course) were for LeBron, but it was damn near Dirk/Hakeem tier in terms of the carry job that it was.

[WayOfWad3]

Series won with Kevin - 5
With Wade and Bosh - 14
As for 2013, Wade never played great for any stretch during those playoffs, he did come up huge when his team needed him most though. Heat and LeBron don't win in 2013 without him. However, that teams would struggle to even beat the Bucks in the first round if LeBron wasn't playing

[aj1987]

Yep. They made wade the man in 2011 and he wasn't good enough to get Miami over the hump. And he disappeared a ton in the 2013 finals. Heat made their game 6 comeback with his ass on the bench. And he might have had the worst series for a HOF ever during the 2014 finals.
Yeah, Wade wasn't scoring 0 points in multiple 4th quarters in '12 and '13. Probably why Miami won back to back.

[coined]

Yeah, Wade wasn't scoring 0 points in multiple 4th quarters in '12 and '13. Probably why Miami won back to back.

Wade scored only 2 points in 4th quarter/Overtime of game 6 vs San Antonio in 2013.
In fact in that game, Wade spent 8 minutes & 10 seconds of 4th quarter on the bench.And Miami made their run with Wade doing the good of sitting his ass on the bench then get on court.

[coined]

Wade was - 15 in that game 6 vs San Antonio in 2013. Total Joke.

[coined]

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


really read that to understand more

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade scored only 2 points in 4th quarter/Overtime of game 6 vs San Antonio in 2013.
In fact in that game, Wade spent 8 minutes & 10 seconds of 4th quarter on the bench.And Miami made their run with Wade doing the good of sitting his ass on the bench then get on court.

Lol, so you kill Wade for one game yet give LeBron a pass for an entire series in 2011. How many points was LeBron scoring in the 4th quarter against the Mavs?

[aj1987]

Wade scored only 2 points in 4th quarter/Overtime of game 6 vs San Antonio in 2013.
In fact in that game, Wade spent 8 minutes & 10 seconds of 4th quarter on the bench.And Miami made their run with Wade doing the good of sitting his ass on the bench then get on court.
LeBron scored 2 points or fewer in the 4th Q's in 4 games.

[Dray n Klay]

Lol, so you kill Wade for one game yet give LeBron a pass for an entire series in 2011. How many points was LeBron scoring in the 4th quarter against the Mavs?

Entire series?

It was only Games 3-5

[aj1987]

Entire series?

It was only Games 3-5
Game 2 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 3 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 4 - 0 points in the 4th
Game 5 - 2 points in the 4th

Wade struggled in G6 after his hip injury and LeBron shit the bed in that one as well. 6 TOV's and -24 for the game. The WORST +/- from either team in teh ENTIRE series.

[Dray n Klay]

Game 2 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 3 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 4 - 0 points in the 4th
Game 5 - 2 points in the 4th

Wade struggled in G6 after his hip injury and LeBron shit the bed in that one as well. 6 TOV's and -24 for the game. The WORST +/- from either team in teh ENTIRE series.

I want you on record.


Overall who was better in Game 6, Wade or LeBron??

[SouBeachTalents]

I want you on record.


Overall who was better in Game 6, Wade or LeBron??

LeBron. Who was better in the series, Wade or LeBron?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yeah, Wade wasn't scoring 0 points in multiple 4th quarters in '12 and '13. Probably why Miami won back to back.

Miami went back to back because LeBron had one of the best postseason runs of all-time in 2012. And Wade was putting in work as the #2. Heat fans like to put all of 2011 on LeBron. But Spolestra made Wade his horse for the series, and it blew up in their faces. Next year they give LeBron the reigns, and they repeat. 2013 Wade was a ghost for long periods of time. Reggie Miller at one even referred to the Heat as being the "Miami Cavaliers". 2013 was definitely a carry-job for LeBron. To Wade's credit he played well in game 4 and 7 of the Finals. But in that game 6, Wade and Bosh were benched while LeBron led the comeback with Birdman, Chalmers, Miller, and Allen. And as for 2014, Wade absolutely s.hit the bed in epic fashion. LeBron probably stays longer in Miami if Wade doesn't play as terrible as he did.

[aj1987]

Miami went back to back because LeBron had one of the best postseason runs of all-time in 2012. And Wade was putting in work as the #2. Heat fans like to put all of 2011 on LeBron. But Spolestra made Wade his horse for the series, and it blew up in their faces. Next year they give LeBron the reigns, and they repeat. 2013 Wade was a ghost for long periods of time. Reggie Miller at one even referred to the Heat as being the "Miami Cavaliers". 2013 was definitely a carry-job for LeBron. To Wade's credit he played well in game 4 and 7 of the Finals. But in that game 6, Wade and Bosh were benched while LeBron led the comeback with Birdman, Chalmers, Miller, and Allen. And as for 2014, Wade absolutely s.hit the bed in epic fashion. LeBron probably stays longer in Miami if Wade doesn't play as terrible as he did.
I never said Wade was an elite superstar level player in '13, nor did I ever claim Wade to be a top 15 or a top 5 GOAT.

That being said, LeBron choked MASSIVELY in '11. He wasn't injured or past his prime like Wade was in '12 and '13. When the Heat desperately needed Wade to show up, he maned the **** up and he did (G4 and G7).

You really can't blame Spo for LeBron's live action performance in the '11 Finals. Look at these 4th Q numbers:

Game 2 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 3 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 4 - 0 points in the 4th
Game 5 - 2 points in the 4th

How the **** are you going to blame Spo for that abysmal performance.

Once again, Wade was playing injured and past his prime. LeBron was 100% healthy and in his PEAK stretch.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I never said Wade was an elite superstar level player in '13, nor did I ever claim Wade to be a top 15 or a top 5 GOAT.

That being said, LeBron choked MASSIVELY in '11. He wasn't injured or past his prime like Wade was in '12 and '13. When the Heat desperately needed Wade to show up, he maned the **** up and he did (G4 and G7).

You really can't blame Spo for LeBron's live action performance in the '11 Finals. Look at these 4th Q numbers:

Game 2 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 3 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 4 - 0 points in the 4th
Game 5 - 2 points in the 4th

How the **** are you going to blame Spo for that abysmal performance.

Once again, Wade was playing injured and past his prime. LeBron was 100% healthy and in his PEAK stretch.

The thing with Wade in Miami is that it's always excuses for him. At the end of the day, he was underwhelming in his year run with LeBron and Bosh. LeBron was ass in 2011, but like I said. They put it on Wade to be able to carry them over the hump, and he just couldn't do it. Thats why they put the team on LeBron in 2011-2012. As for Wade manning up, this seems to be a common theme for him. In that he was never really a consistent playoff contributor in 13 and 14. You always talk about how he came through when they needed it. But you forget how LeBron had to do all the heavy-lifting in the postseason and regular seasons. Wade getting almost the Shaq treatment taking games off, while they put it on LeBron to carry the team. Im not taking anything from Wade. He did work in 2012, and he played well when they needed it during the Spurs series. But the consensus is he was a letdown during the 4 year run.

[Dray n Klay]

AJ, why always "Wade was injured and old... Bad Knees" excuses?



Why can't we say LeBron had a broken back or a sprained elbow which is why he played that way in 2011?


Why is Wade the only one who gets the injury excuse?


If you're healthy enough to play, no excuses

[ArbitraryWater]

Nah... LeBron wet the bed in '11, no 'they put it on Wade and he couldnt do it' will ever hold true..

LeBron could have scored 25 if he wanted... where is this rule they made that Wade would lead the team in FGA? Its BS... Wade did his job and LeBron sucked.

Of course Wade paid him back with two disastrous post-seasons in 2013 and 2014.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Nah... LeBron wet the bed in '11, no 'they put it on Wade and he couldnt do it' will ever hold true..

LeBron could have scored 25 if he wanted... where is this rule they made that Wade would lead the team in FGA? Its BS... Wade did his job and LeBron sucked.

Of course Wade paid him back with two disastrous post-seasons in 2013 and 2014.

No one said LeBron didn't choke in 2011. But Heat fans like to bring it up but forget how much of a letdown 13 and 14 Wade was in the postseason. As for Wade in 2011, we could disagree about it. But Wade gunned for Finals MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

No one said LeBron didn't choke in 2011. But Heat fans like to bring it up but forget how much of a letdown 13 and 14 Wade was in the postseason. As for Wade in 2011, we could disagree about it. But Wade gunned for Finals MVP.

He gunned for the title... he was aggressive... worked during the ECSF, because Bron was able to close out games, and not choke all over the court. :confusedshrug:

Sure he maybe would have liked the FMVP, but who cares, its not like he gunned alot and missed.. he made more than he missed.

[aj1987]

The thing with Wade in Miami is that it's always excuses for him. At the end of the day, he was underwhelming in his year run with LeBron and Bosh. LeBron was ass in 2011, but like I said. They put it on Wade to be able to carry them over the hump, and he just couldn't do it. Thats why they put the team on LeBron in 2011-2012.
Because he had ZERO help form his sidekick. How was Wade supposed to win, when LeBron was doing his finest Casper imitation. It was like playing 4 on 5. Not to mention the FACT that the Heat added a but more depth in '12 and even more in '13. Heck, LeBron wouldn't have won with Wade playing like LeBron did in '11 (I'm talking about the 4th Q's).

You're completely missing the point as well.

#1. LeBron was garbage in the Finals in '11.
#2. Wade was injured and past his prime in '13 and '14.
#3. LeBron was 100% healthy and smack dab in the middle of his prime in '11.
#4. Wade wasn't nearly as bad a liability in '13 as LeBron was in '11, in the 4th Q's.


As for Wade manning up, this seems to be a common theme for him. In that he was never really a consistent playoff contributor in 13 and 14. You always talk about how he came through when they needed it. But you forget how LeBron had to do all the heavy-lifting in the postseason and regular seasons.
In '12, Wade arguably had the best defensive season of his career. He was also averaging 22/5/5/2/1 on 50%. Yeah, he was one of the greatest 2nd options in the history of the game.

In '13, Wade averaged 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% and was once again brilliant defensively. His defense in the 4th Q's alone won the Heat a couple of games in the RS. Not to mention that he averaged 23/6/5/2/1 on 53% over a 41 game stretch.

LeBron was without question the best player on the team, but lets not act like it was a one man show.


But the consensus is he was a letdown during the 4 year run.
No shit. He was amazing in '11 and '12, but was injured right before the PO's in '13 and the maintenance program completely ****ed him up in '14.

[ArbitraryWater]

2012 Wade was now one of the greatest second options in the history of the game? :lol

This motherfcker required Bron to have arguably the best game in NBA history, because of how bad he was against Boston...

dude was '95 Drexler/'00 Kobe tier.

Leave Wade out of your mouth boy. Your bias is blinding you.

[aj1987]

2012 Wade was now one of the greatest second options in the history of the game? :lol

This motherfcker required Bron to have arguably the best game in NBA history, because of how bad he was against Boston...

dude was '95 Drexler/'00 Kobe tier.

Leave Wade out of your mouth boy. Your bias is blinding you.
22/5/5/2/1 on 50% in the RS
23/5/4/2/1 on 46% in the PO's
23/6/5/1/1 on 44% in the Finals

That coupled with elite defense (arguably his best defensive season).

You're like 15 years old, so I'll excuse for not knowing anything about basketball prior to the '11/'12 seasons.

'00 Kobe... If Wade actually played like that in the Finals, the guy who's highlights you mastrubate to on an hourly basis would've lost in '12 as well.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

'01 Kobe and '02 Kobe was WAY better than Wade in '12. Wade in '12 was beast near the end of that Indiana series, but other than that nothing special for a 2nd option.

Irving this year was better.

[ArbitraryWater]

'01 Kobe and '02 Kobe was WAY better than Wade in '12. Wade in '12 was beast near the end of that Indiana series, but other than that nothing special for a 2nd option.

Irving this year was better.

WAY better... the worst threepeat Kobe version is basically identical to '12 Kobe... as is Drexler... lol

some dudes mindraping themselves into fantasies man

As you said, CURRENT Irving > 2012 Wade.

[ArbitraryWater]

In '12, Wade arguably had the best defensive season of his career. He was also averaging 22/5/5/2/1 on 50%. Yeah, he was one of the greatest 2nd options in the history of the game.

...

CURRENT 2016 Irving > 2012 Wade, and Irving ain't even a top 10 player :oldlol:

[aj1987]

...

CURRENT 2016 Irving > 2012 Wade, and Irving ain't even a top 10 player :oldlol:
Look up his defensive numbers and comeback. Also, care to post Irving's and LeBron's PPG prior to the Finals?

[ArbitraryWater]

Look up his defensive numbers and comeback. Also, care to post Irving's and LeBron's PPG prior to the Finals?

Irving manhandled a 73 win team in the NBA finals, dropping 40 point games and 30 pointers, and taking care of the UMPV and GOAT Shooter....

its not even close. His efficiency SHITS on Wade's because he can hit 3's, and he stretches the floor better...

Wade was out there doing doing 21 ppg on 44% in the ECF....

Dude had back to back series of 52% TS in the ECF/Finals...

not even close to the same offensive/scoring threat as Irving.

Its a no contest. Just stop ******ging your lover.

[FLDFSU]

I never said Wade was an elite superstar level player in '13, nor did I ever claim Wade to be a top 15 or a top 5 GOAT.

That being said, LeBron choked MASSIVELY in '11. He wasn't injured or past his prime like Wade was in '12 and '13. When the Heat desperately needed Wade to show up, he maned the **** up and he did (G4 and G7).

You really can't blame Spo for LeBron's live action performance in the '11 Finals. Look at these 4th Q numbers:

Game 2 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 3 - 2 points in the 4th
Game 4 - 0 points in the 4th
Game 5 - 2 points in the 4th

How the **** are you going to blame Spo for that abysmal performance.

Once again, Wade was playing injured and past his prime. LeBron was 100% healthy and in his PEAK stretch.

Whoa whoa if Wade was injured and past his prime why the hell does ISH considerS those Heat team to be the most stacked teams of all time? ISH specifically refers to Wade as the reason and called him a top 5 player in both James last year's in Miami. Now all of a sudden Wade was injured and past his prime?

[FLDFSU]

And about that 2011 run. Wade was about as bad in the Chicago series leading up to the Finals as Lebron was in the Finals. I think Lebron led the Heat in all stats category in the conference finals in 2011. Lebron still managed to led the Heat in many significant categories in the Finals despite his relatively poor PPG. The fact of the matter is that LeBron was a better sidekick to Wade in the 2011 Finals than Wade was to Lebron the round prior.

As a Heat fan you can forgive Lebron for the Finals considering what he had to do against Chicago with Wade playing worst than Lebron did in the Finals.

[90sgoat]

Post his stats

Last words of the autistic stat nerd.

[greatest-ever]

People are funny comparing 2011 Lebron to 13/14 Wade. Lebron was in the middle of his prime, while Wade was past his and banged up.

[bond10]

Bron stans now tryin to pin 2011's failure on Wade :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[greatest-ever]

And about that 2011 run. Wade was about as bad in the Chicago series leading up to the Finals as Lebron was in the Finals. I think Lebron led the Heat in all stats category in the conference finals in 2011. Lebron still managed to led the Heat in many significant categories in the Finals despite his relatively poor PPG. The fact of the matter is that LeBron was a better sidekick to Wade in the 2011 Finals than Wade was to Lebron the round prior.

As a Heat fan you can forgive Lebron for the Finals considering what he had to do against Chicago with Wade playing worst than Lebron did in the Finals.
The difference is Wade actually showed up in crunch time in the 11 ecf, Lebron didn't in the 11 finals. Looking at the numbers is stupid, Lebron's impact was almost nonexistent in that series.

[SouBeachTalents]

And about that 2011 run. Wade was about as bad in the Chicago series leading up to the Finals as Lebron was in the Finals. I think Lebron led the Heat in all stats category in the conference finals in 2011. Lebron still managed to led the Heat in many significant categories in the Finals despite his relatively poor PPG. The fact of the matter is that LeBron was a better sidekick to Wade in the 2011 Finals than Wade was to Lebron the round prior.

As a Heat fan you can forgive Lebron for the Finals considering what he had to do against Chicago with Wade playing worst than Lebron did in the Finals.

Major difference is Wade showed up in the 4th quarter & OT, while LeBron was nowhere to be found

[SouBeachTalents]

Seriously, the excuse after having a 1A/1B situation all season that the Heat tried to make Wade "the man" in the Finals, or that he was being more ball dominant/aggressive is a complete crock of shit

Regular season stats
PPG: 26
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 9
USG: 31.6%

Finals stats
PPG: 27
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 8
USG: 30.2%

Numbers are IDENTICAL

[Overdrive]

Lebron took all the heat, but it was dumb Spoelstra who designed his team around Wade in 2011. He made Wade the player, and forced Lebron to differ. Wade failed to carry as the man. The next season they changed it all to Lebron being the man, and Wade to defer.It Worked.

That's the new story now? LeBron played like shit. It's that simple it actually makes this year's finals even greater. He came back in historical fashion, although he still had that choker stigma.

[Smoke117]

Seriously, the excuse after having a 1A/1B situation all season that the Heat tried to make Wade "the man" in the Finals, or that he was being more ball dominant/aggressive is a complete crock of shit

Regular season stats
PPG: 26
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 9
USG: 31.6%

Finals stats
PPG: 27
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 8
USG: 30.2%

Numbers are IDENTICAL

Exactly...these Lebron stans and their nonsense of him having to defer is a in 2011 is a joke...he just sucked in the 2011 finals , period.

[FLDFSU]

The difference is Wade actually showed up in crunch time in the 11 ecf, Lebron didn't in the 11 finals. Looking at the numbers is stupid, Lebron's impact was almost nonexistent in that series.

But Lebron was also the focus of both the Bulls and Mavs defense.

Wade was not.

For as great of a player as Wade is (And I literally thought pre-2010 he was right there with Lebron) Wade should have defeated the Mavs given what his second and third options were giving him.

Lebron led Miami against the Mavs in Minutes, Rebounds, Assists, and Steals for the series.

Wade led Miami against the Bulls in NOTHING.

Again, I am not going to be too harsh on Lebron when even not playing well he still puts up the most minutes, rebounds, assists, and steals while being a No. 2 on the Heat (and the focus of the opponent)

while

Wade fails to lead the Heat in a single significant stat just the series before.

If Lebron didn't "bail" Wade out we would not have even gotten to the Finals. It is just a shame that Wade could not do the same for Lebron in the Finals.

[tpols]

Seriously, the excuse after having a 1A/1B situation all season that the Heat tried to make Wade "the man" in the Finals, or that he was being more ball dominant/aggressive is a complete crock of shit

Regular season stats
PPG: 26
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 9
USG: 31.6%

Finals stats
PPG: 27
APG: 5
FGA: 18
FTA: 8
USG: 30.2%

Numbers are IDENTICAL

dont argue with trolls. Wade averaged like 10 ppg less than bron in the round before the Finals.. what .. Lebron just decided to hot potato it to wade next round? That'd be an indictment on him anyway.

[GrapeApe]

But Lebron was also the focus of both the Bulls and Mavs defense.

Wade was not.

For as great of a player as Wade is (And I literally thought pre-2010 he was right there with Lebron) Wade should have defeated the Mavs given what his second and third options were giving him.

Lebron led Miami against the Mavs in Minutes, Rebounds, Assists, and Steals for the series.

Wade led Miami against the Bulls in NOTHING.

Again, I am not going to be too harsh on Lebron when even not playing well he still puts up the most minutes, rebounds, assists, and steals while being a No. 2 on the Heat (and the focus of the opponent)

while

Wade fails to lead the Heat in a single significant stat just the series before.

If Lebron didn't "bail" Wade out we would not have even gotten to the Finals. It is just a shame that Wade could not do the same for Lebron in the Finals.

Most of this is a load of horse shit. In 2011 the Bulls made no secret about the fact that their primary goal was to slow down Wade. The main difference between Wade's ECF and Lebron's finals was that Wade stepped up in crunch time. He fought through his struggles to make big plays on both ends down the stretch of games. He didn't go into a shell and he remained confident and aggressive.

Lebron's overall numbers in the finals have NEVER been the issue. That's always been a strawman to deflect the real issue, which is his disappearing act in 4th quarters. If he had shot 35% in 4th quarters instead of 25%, the Heat probably sweep the series. He also let his offensive struggles affect his defense. He was disengaged on both ends.

[aj1987]

Irving manhandled a 73 win team in the NBA finals, dropping 40 point games and 30 pointers, and taking care of the UMPV and GOAT Shooter....
How many times did he do it in the PO's? I remember Wade absolutely shitting on THE best defensive team in the league. Anyways, what you're saying implies that LeBron and Kyrie were 1a/1b. Is that correct?


its not even close. His efficiency SHITS on Wade's because he can hit 3's, and he stretches the floor better...
Doesn't the same imply concerning Kyrie and LeBron? :oldlol:

Kyrie on a stacked AF team winning his first ring - 57% TS
Wade was at 59% TS.

Again, unless you actually have facts, you probably need to STFU.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/2000208-sports-and-racing-nba/70917260

That's their defensive gravity ranking, BTW.


Wade was out there doing doing 21 ppg on 44% in the ECF....

Dude had back to back series of 52% TS in the ECF/Finals...

not even close to the same offensive/scoring threat as Irving.

Its a no contest. Just stop ******ging your lover.
Kraut, I know that you barely understand how basketball works. Take a bit of time off from posting through your dozen alts or from regurgitating the same drivel. I know that it's hard for a mentally challenged person like you, but do try. :cheers: :cheers:


But Lebron was also the focus of both the Bulls and Mavs defense.

Wade was not.

Try watching a game, you retarded shit.

[FLDFSU]

Most of this is a load of horse shit. In 2011 the Bulls made no secret about the fact that their primary goal was to slow down Wade. The main difference between Wade's ECF and Lebron's finals was that Wade stepped up in crunch time. He fought through his struggles to make big plays on both ends down the stretch of games. He didn't go into a shell and he remained confident and aggressive.

Lebron's overall numbers in the finals have NEVER been the issue. That's always been a strawman to deflect the real issue, which is his disappearing act in 4th quarters. If he had shot 35% in 4th quarters instead of 25%, the Heat probably sweep the series. He also let his offensive struggles affect his defense. He was disengaged on both ends.

When your teammate is leading the team in rebounds, minutes, assists, etc. it is your job as a top 3 player in the league to close the deal when Lebron is struggling to score the basket.

Lebron gave Wade more than enough help...more help than he gave Lebron during Chicago...

Step up and be that top 3 NBA player.

I am sorry, but if Wade led the Heat in rebounds, minutes, assists, steals and was the focus of the Spurs in 2013 and 2014...

I am not sure Miami loses any game against the Spurs in 2013 and we may have lost at most 2 against the Spurs in 2014.


Wade had enough help in 2011. That should have been enough.

[SouBeachTalents]

When your teammate is leading the team in rebounds, minutes, assists, etc. it is your job as a top 3 player in the league to close the deal when Lebron is struggling to score the basket.

Lebron gave Wade more than enough help...more help than he gave Lebron during Chicago...

Step up and be that top 3 NBA player.

I am sorry, but if Wade led the Heat in rebounds, minutes, assists, steals and was the focus of the Spurs in 2013 and 2014...

I am not sure Miami loses any game against the Spurs in 2013 and we may have lost at most 2 against the Spurs in 2014.


Wade had enough help in 2011. That should have been enough.

Not in the 4th quarter, where LeBron in 4 straight 4th quarters, the span of a full game, scored SIX total points, all in games that came down to one or two possessions.

[GrapeApe]

When your teammate is leading the team in rebounds, minutes, assists, etc. it is your job as a top 3 player in the league to close the deal when Lebron is struggling to score the basket.

Lebron gave Wade more than enough help...more help than he gave Lebron during Chicago...

Step up and be that top 3 NBA player.

I am sorry, but if Wade led the Heat in rebounds, minutes, assists, steals and was the focus of the Spurs in 2013 and 2014...

I am not sure Miami loses any game against the Spurs in 2013 and we may have lost at most 2 against the Spurs in 2014.


Wade had enough help in 2011. That should have been enough.

Once again you're bringing up Lebron's overall numbers. You completely ignored everything I said and just repeated the same garbage about Lebron's stats. I don't care if Lebron's finals numbers were better than Wade's ECF numbers, Wade was better. He stepped up in crunch time and made big plays on both ends. It's funny you talk about "closing the deal", because that's EXACTLY what Wade helped Lebron do against the Bulls. Why couldn't Lebron do the same in the finals? Why couldn't he help close the deal like Wade did?

Also, stop saying Lebron was the focus of the defense. Wade received just as much defensive attention. The zone is what flustered and confused Lebron. Wade adjusted and continued to attack. Lebron went into a shell.

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Once again you're bringing up Lebron's overall numbers. You completely ignored everything I said and just repeated the same garbage about Lebron's stats. I don't care if Lebron's finals numbers were better than Wade's ECF numbers, Wade was better. He stepped up in crunch time and made big plays on both ends. It's funny you talk about "closing the deal", because that's EXACTLY what Wade helped Lebron do against the Bulls. Why couldn't Lebron do the same in the finals? Why couldn't he help close the deal like Wade did?

Also, stop saying Lebron was the focus of the defense. Wade received just as much defensive attention. The zone is what flustered and confused Lebron. Wade adjusted and continued to attack. Lebron went into a shell.

You state that Wade helped Lebron close the deal in Chicago, and asked why couldn't Lebron do the same for Wade in Dallas? However, the difference is in Dallas Lebron was ALREADY leading the Heat in most significant categories. Now you want to add another responsibility of helping to close the deal?

It would be expected for Wade to close Dallas without the help of Lebron. Outside of PPG and blocks, Lebron was ALREADY doing everything else. In Chicago, Wade was NOT leading the Heat in ANYTHING. Therefore, the LEAST Wade could do is help Lebron close the deal. Again, if Wade was leading the Heat in rebounds, minutes, assists, and steals...I am pretty sure we would expect Lebron to at least close the deal in "crunch time" even if Wade didn't help in this department.

It was nice of Wade to HELP Lebron in crunch time in Chicago...considering Lebron was leading the Heat in minutes, points, assists, rebounds, blocks, steals, and often drawing the assignment of MVP Rose...

Also, you cannot sit here and talk about "crunch time" when without Lebron there would be no "crunch time" for Wade to even step up in Chicago or Dallas. Maybe that is what happened to us in 2014 against the Spurs...Wade waiting for "crunch time" while the Spurs were running away with the series in quarters 1-3.

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Wade & Bosh lost two series with Lebron ( finals 2011, & 2014). And many other series that went to game 7 because Bosh turned Roy Hibbert into Shaquille Oneal.

Kevin Love lost 0 series playing alongside Lebron, including Love won 3 series in sweep compared to just two Bosh & Wade had next to Lebron.
This is really stupid logic.