Proof that Jordan's 1997 Finals was tougher defensive climate than Lebron's 2016

[3ball]

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The 1997 Finals:


UtahMM ORtg:. 103.8
Chicago ORtg:. 104.6

PACE: 84.0




is a tougher defensive climate than





2016 Finals:


Warriors ORtg:. 108.5
Cavsmm ORtg:. 109.1

PACE: 92.0



Jordan averaged 12 more points than his 2nd option, compared to only 2 for Lebron, so Jordan faced greater defensive attention, in addition to facing the tougher defensive climate shown above.

Furthermore, Jordan made all the game-winning plays HIMSELF, while Kyrie made them for the Cavs - Jordan hit the GW in Game 1 and 5, and made the series-winning pass to Kerr.
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[JebronLames]

Weak offense. Players couldn't shoot in the 90's

[feyki]

Iggy,Bogut and Dray :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron's '16 Finals > Jordan's '97 Finals

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[Quickening]

LeBron's '16 Finals > Jordan's '97 Finals

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[Dray n Klay]

what was drtg?

[bigkingsfan]

Bryon Russell
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[LikeABosh]

This proves nothing. How could you come to this conclusion based off these numbers?

[3ball]

LeBron's '16 Finals > Jordan's '97 Finals


As the OP shows, Lebron's 2016 Finals was an easier defensive climate.

Furthermore, Lebron only led his 2nd option by 2 ppg, so his 2nd option (Kyrie) commanded a lot of defensive attention AWAY from Lebron - otoh, Jordan led his 2nd option by 12 ppg and nearly doubled the assists (6 to 3.5)... As usual - no comparison - Jordan carried the far heavier load.. take this L







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Jordan led the Bulls in every category for the ENTIRE 1997 playoffs, not just the Finals: Jordan led in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals (edit: Rodman averaged 8.3 rebs to Jordan's 7.9)

In the Finals, Lebron only led his 2nd option by 2 ppg, so his 2nd option (Kyrie) commanded a lot of defensive attention AWAY from Lebron - otoh, Jordan led his 2nd option by 12 ppg and nearly doubled the assists (6 to 3.5)... As usual - no comparison - Jordan carried the far heavier load.

[Dray n Klay]

3ball in FULL meltdown mode after I proved LeBron was a better finals performer than Jordan :roll: :roll:

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan led the Bulls in every category for the ENTIRE 1997 playoffs, not just the Finals: Jordan led in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals (edit: Rodman averaged 8.3 rebs to Jordan's 7.9)

Self ownage. :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

As the OP shows, Lebron's 2016 Finals was an easier defensive climate.

Furthermore, Lebron only led his 2nd option by 2 ppg, so his 2nd option (Kyrie) commanded a lot of defensive attention AWAY from Lebron - otoh, Jordan led his 2nd option by 12 ppg and nearly doubled the assists (6 to 3.5)... As usual - no comparison - Jordan carried the far heavier load.. take this L




Jordan led the Bulls in every category for the ENTIRE 1997 playoffs, not just the Finals: Jordan led in points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals (edit: Rodman averaged 8.3 rebs to Jordan's 7.9)

In the Finals, Lebron only led his 2nd option by 2 ppg, so his 2nd option (Kyrie) commanded a lot of defensive attention AWAY from Lebron - otoh, Jordan led his 2nd option by 12 ppg and nearly doubled the assists (6 to 3.5)... As usual - no comparison - Jordan carried the far heavier load.

And LeBron led the Heat in points, assists, rebounds, and steals in the '12 & '13 playoffs

[3ball]

And LeBron led the Heat in points, assists, rebounds, and steals in the '12 & '13 playoffs


Jordan has done that with a much greater scoring margin over his 2nd option..

Also, Jordan only averages 1 less assist in the playoffs, even though he averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board.

And would Lebron have the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?

Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer (even an entire playoff run).. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan has done that, with a much greater scoring margin over his 2nd option..

Overall, Jordan only averages 1 less assist in the playoffs, even though he averages nearly 6 more points with better efficiency across the board.

And would Lebron have the tiny assist edge if he was required to lead his team in scoring for every playoff series of his career by an average 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan did?.. Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't the team's leading scorer (even an entire playoff run).. The reality is that NO all-time great led his team in scoring for every playoff series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan (let that sink in).

The reality is also that no player in NBA history has ever led both teams in every statistical category, and LeBron happened to do that in the Finals. Against a 73 win team. Coming back from a 3-1 deficit. Let that sink in, as well as LeBron's 2016 Finals > Jordan's 1997 Finals

[allball]

Dude...let it go

[Hoopz2332]

:oldlol: @ 3ball

[3ball]

:oldlol: @ 3ball



Thread Cliffs:


Jordan's 1997 Finals occurred in tougher defensive climate.. He also outscored his second option by 12 ppg, compared to Lebron's 2 ppg, so Jordan faced more defensive attention.

He also didn't need his second option to make the game-winning plays like Kyrie did for Lebron - Jordan hit game-winners in Games 1 and 5, and had the series-winning assist in Game 6.

[Nilocon165]

Proof that you have autism: This thread

[Poetry]

3ball in FULL meltdown mode after I proved LeBron was a better finals performer than Jordan :roll: :roll:

When did you prove that? GmSc shows that LeBron isn't on the same level as Jordan, Shaq, or Magic.

[Lebron23]

When did you prove that? GmSc shows that LeBron isn't on the same level as Jordan, Shaq, or Magic.


Are you the same clown who said that LeBron won't ever score 30 points in this year playoffs? I remember you making a thread about it. Suck it B1tch!!!

[3ball]

The reality is also that no player in NBA history has ever led both teams in every statistical category, and LeBron happened to do that in the Finals. Against a 73 win team. Coming back from a 3-1 deficit. Let that sink in


:biggums: .. Going 7 games doesn't make Lebron MORE dominant.

Lebron needed 7 games because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 TO in the first 4 games - then he averaged 36 ppg to stage the comeback in the final 3 games.. But if he had averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, like Jordan did during the 1991-1993 Finals (36/7/8), then he wouldn't have needed a 7th game, like Jordan.





LeBron's 2016 Finals > Jordan's 1997 Finals


Jordan averaged 12 more points than his 2nd option, compared to only 2 for Lebron, so Jordan faced far greater defensive attention, in addition to the tougher defensive climate shown in the OP.

Additionally, Jordan made all the game-winning plays HIMSELF, while Kyrie made them for the Cavs - Jordan hit the game-winner in Games 1 and 5, and made the series-winning pass to Kerr - no one has made 3 game-winning plays in the Finals, which makes it the most heroic performance of all time.

[Poetry]

Are you the same clown who said that LeBron won't ever score 30 points in this year playoffs? I remember you making a thread about it. Suck it B1tch!!!

How many 30 point games did Kyrie have? :D

[SouBeachTalents]

:biggums: .. Going 7 games doesn't make Lebron MORE dominant.

Lebron needed 7 games because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 TO in the first 4 games - then he averaged 36 ppg to stage the comeback in the final 3 games.. But if he had averaged 36 ppg the ENTIRE series, like Jordan did during the 1991-1993 Finals (36/7/8), then he wouldn't have needed a 7th game, like Jordan.



Jordan averaged 12 more points than his 2nd option, compared to only 2 for Lebron, so Jordan faced far greater defensive attention, in addition to the tougher defensive climate shown in the OP.

Additionally, Jordan made all the game-winning plays HIMSELF, while Kyrie made them for the Cavs - Jordan hit the game-winner in Games 1 and 5, and made the series-winning pass to Kerr - no one has made 3 game-winning plays in the Finals, which makes it the most heroic performance of all time.

We know damn well 3ball if LeBron had done the same exact thing you would not be referring to it as a "series winning pass", you'd say he got bailed out or some bullshit

[Lebron23]

How many 30 point games did Kyrie have? :D


Basketball is a team sports. I must admit Irving put up better performance than the 2014 and 2015 Finals MVP. Two of the worst stats of an NBA Finals MVP.

[3ball]

Proof that you have autism: This thread


You're just mad that I proved Jordan faced tougher defensive climate in 1997 Finals than Lebron did this year.

Also, we know for a fact that Jordan had more contested shots (shots where a defender leaves his feet to contest) during his 55 point Finals game in 1993, than Lebron had in this year's Game 6, because we have the play-by-play data, shown here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412635).

Don't be surprised that more of Lebron's shots were uncontested - today's offenses keep 3-4 players standing behind the 3-point line on every play (spacing), so the defense is stretched out and can't make timely rotations most of the time