Do you think basketball players should be paid this much

[90sgoat]

I am not talking about the top guys who are pop icons and all that, but someone like Noah or Mozgov getting $16 mil a year, that's like 5 times as much as the top paid executives in most Euro countries.

Isn't something very wrong with this?

[Dray n Klay]

We're currently in a stronger era than before, so yes players today should earn more than previous generations

[FireDavidKahn]

They should be paid whatever people offer them...

[bluechox2]

owners make a hell of a lot more than this

but are dumb as **** on how to spend their chump change on free agents

[NBAGOAT]

mozgov and noah got overpaid by teams that really had desperate needs for center. Someone like Al jefferson only got 3yrs/30mil from indiana for example.

[90sgoat]

owners make a hell of a lot more than this

but are dumb as **** on how to spend their chump change on free agents

Do they?

http://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true

The highest earning franchise is the Knicks making $108 million before interest and taxes a year.

Most teams seem to make about $20 - $30 a year in operating income which after taxes (divided around 18-30%) means a profit of around $15-25 mil a year.

Memphis just paid Conley $30 mil a year, that is 3x the total profit before tax of $10.

No, owners actually don't seem to earn more, of course they are OWNERS which mean they can sell for a larger or smaller profit generally.

Who is getting screwed is all the other guys who put on the show in such a big organization.

[iamgine]

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d711dba4bd7c86779020000-1190-625/the-17-most-expensive-paintings-ever-sold.jpg

Should this painting cost $140 million? Same concept.

[90sgoat]

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d711dba4bd7c86779020000-1190-625/the-17-most-expensive-paintings-ever-sold.jpg

Should this painting cost $140 million? Same concept.

It most certainly should not and we should go reinstate the guilliotine for these rich fukkers who don't help the little guy.

[LakersDaBEst]

Lol so u rather have the billionaries owners get more rich? :facepalm

[90sgoat]

Lol so u rather have the billionaries owners get more rich? :facepalm

No, I'd have them lower ticket price and pay their other employees more. Share the sugar. Maybe these rick fukkers, players and owners, got get around to helping the poor, I mean these $30 mill a year players could easily run a homeless shelter for no more than $1 mill a year.

[PejaNowitzki]

Who is getting screwed is all the other guys who put on the show in such a big organization.

Or the fans who actually like going to games and have to perpetually pay higher ticket prices partially due to this excess.

[FireDavidKahn]

Do they?

http://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true

The highest earning franchise is the Knicks making $108 million before interest and taxes a year.

Most teams seem to make about $20 - $30 a year in operating income which after taxes (divided around 18-30%) means a profit of around $15-25 mil a year.

Memphis just paid Conley $30 mil a year, that is 3x the total profit before tax of $10.

No, owners actually don't seem to earn more, of course they are OWNERS which mean they can sell for a larger or smaller profit generally.

Who is getting screwed is all the other guys who put on the show in such a big organization.
The NBA had a revenue of $5.2 billion last year...

The NBA isn't close to losing money especially with this new TV deal...

[bigkingsfan]

No, I'd have them lower ticket price and pay their other employees more. Share the sugar. Maybe these rick fukkers, players and owners, got get around to helping the poor, I mean these $30 mill a year players could easily run a homeless shelter for no more than $1 mill a year.
Lower ticket when they can easily sell out at current. Employees that are easily replaceable at current wages. Business 101 :facepalm

[FireDavidKahn]

It most certainly should not and we should go reinstate the guilliotine for these rich fukkers who don't help the little guy.
I don't think you know what supply and demand is.

[9erempiree]

mozgov and noah got overpaid by teams that really had desperate needs for center. Someone like Al jefferson only got 3yrs/30mil from indiana for example.

10m a year is considered a bargain.

[SexSymbol]

All basketball players deserve a minimum wage, their work is not important and doesn't give back to the world at all.

[90sgoat]

Or the fans who actually like going to games and have to perpetually pay higher ticket prices partially due to this excess.

Exactly, I hate seeing the front court seats and it's always some old rich dude and some teenage girls not even realizing that they are sitting in seats worth most people's monthly salary. I am a libertarian capitalist but this kind of extravagance makes me sick. The crowds suck because of it.

[WayOfWad3]

No, this is disgusting. They deserve to be paid millions, but HUNDREDS of millions? F no

[Dr Seuss]

No, I'd have them lower ticket price and pay their other employees more. Share the sugar. Maybe these rick fukkers, players and owners, got get around to helping the poor, I mean these $30 mill a year players could easily run a homeless shelter for no more than $1 mill a year.

and what exactly is the incentive for them to do this? i mean its great that youre some wannabe jesus, but get real.

[tmacattack33]

Yes, they've made it past millions and millions of other bball players.

They went further than all their peers playing bball in their neighborhood, intramural leagues in middle school, jv, varsity, and college. Such a rare and monumental feat deserves $15 million a year. Nothing wrong with that.

[9erempiree]

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d711dba4bd7c86779020000-1190-625/the-17-most-expensive-paintings-ever-sold.jpg

Should this painting cost $140 million? Same concept.

Yes.

It's a Jackson Pollock.

It transcended the world and made NYC the art capital of its time. It's iconic to NYC and was ushered in a new world of modernism. It was ahead of its time.

[90sgoat]

I don't think you know what supply and demand is.


Lower ticket when they can easily sell out at current. Employees that are easily replaceable at current wages. Business 101 :facepalm

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Henry Ford was a great man for example, he paid a higher wage than he should so his employees could afford his cars.

This capitalist worship is bs, it's is not being socialist to say to rich fukkers, how about you share the wealth with some of your countrymen. Of course when they bring in all these people from all over the world, no one feels a responsibility for their community anymore.

[90sgoat]

No, this is disgusting. They deserve to be paid millions, but HUNDREDS of millions? F no

Good man, it really is disgusting, it is extravagance in a time when the middle class haven't had a raise in 30 years!

[90sgoat]

and what exactly is the incentive for them to do this? i mean its great that youre some wannabe jesus, but get real.

The incentive is that instead of being known as fat cat douchebag (Sterling) you can be known as a great American hero such as Henry Ford.

[FireDavidKahn]

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Henry Ford was a great man for example, he paid a higher wage than he should so his employees could afford his cars.

This capitalist worship is bs, it's is not being socialist to say to rich fukkers, how about you share the wealth with some of your countrymen. Of course when they bring in all these people from all over the world, no one feels a responsibility for their community anymore.
......The community is the REASON WHY THESE CONTRACTS ARE HAPPENING. If the NBA didn't have the sheer numbers of fans they have now....the cap would be lower and the contracts would be smaller...

It's the general public why this is happening.

[90sgoat]

......The community is the REASON WHY THESE CONTRACTS ARE HAPPENING. If the NBA didn't have the sheer numbers of fans they have now....the cap would be lower and the contracts would be smaller...

It's the general public why this is happening.

No, it's because of the globalization of the game, the NBA is raking in billions from League Pass and jersey sales from all over the world.

[bdreason]

NBA is making billions and the players are the product. They deserve every penny they get.

I think we should question whether or not some of these Owners should be making millions when it's painfully obvious some of them don't have a clue how to run a sports franchise.

[90sgoat]

Another idea could be for the teams and the league to use some of all that money to go to D-League and make it an actually competetive league in smaller cities.

[FireDavidKahn]

No, it's because of the globalization of the game, the NBA is raking in billions from League Pass and jersey sales from all over the world.
....And who do you think pays for league pass and jersey sales?
...The community...:facepalm

[bigkingsfan]

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Henry Ford was a great man for example, he paid a higher wage than he should so his employees could afford his cars.

This capitalist worship is bs, it's is not being socialist to say to rich fukkers, how about you share the wealth with some of your countrymen. Of course when they bring in all these people from all over the world, no one feels a responsibility for their community anymore.

"The reason for the pay rise was not as some of our contemporaries seem to think it was. It was nothing at all to do with creating a workforce that could afford to buy the products. It was to cut the turnover and training time of the labour force: for, yes, in certain circumstances, raising wages can reduce total labour costs."

[DoctorP]

Yes. It is fair. They deserve their percentage of the revenue if not more. If only more companies were as fair as basketball. Ceo's rape their people on the regular mostly.

[90sgoat]

"The reason for the pay rise was not as some of our contemporaries seem to think it was. It was nothing at all to do with creating a workforce that could afford to buy the products. It was to cut the turnover and training time of the labour force: for, yes, in certain circumstances, raising wages can reduce total labour costs."

Bring a source for such statements.

I've read and watched quite a lot about Henry Ford, he was not all about the money, he also printed a very anti-semittic magazine called the Dearborn for example.

[GINOBILI!]

Given how much owners make I am fine with it. However, I'd be more fine with cheaper tickets and merchandise.

[bigkingsfan]

Bring a source for such statements.

I've read and watched quite a lot about Henry Ford, he was not all about the money, he also printed a very anti-semittic magazine called the Dearborn for example.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/04/the-story-of-henry-fords-5-a-day-wages-its-not-what-you-think/#457e8ce41c96

At the time, workers could count on about $2.25 per day, for which they worked nine-hour shifts. It was pretty good money in those days, but the toll was too much for many to bear. Ford’s turnover rate was very high. In 1913, Ford hired more than 52,000 men to keep a workforce of only 14,000. New workers required a costly break-in period, making matters worse for the company. Also, some men simply walked away from the line to quit and look for a job elsewhere. Then the line stopped and production of cars halted. The increased cost and delayed production kept Ford from selling his cars at the low price he wanted. Drastic measures were necessary if he was to keep up this production.

The $5-a-day rate was about half pay and half bonus. The bonus came with character requirements and was enforced by the Socialization Organization. This was a committee that would visit the employees’ homes to ensure that they were doing things the “American way.” They were supposed to avoid social ills such as gambling and drinking. They were to learn English, and many (primarily the recent immigrants) had to attend classes to become “Americanized.” Women were not eligible for the bonus unless they were single and supporting the family. Also, men were not eligible if their wives worked outside the home.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

yes.

[Lebron23]

I don't think you know what supply and demand is.


Simon lives in his mom's basement. No Job, No Love Life.

[90sgoat]

Simon lives in his mom's basement. No Job, No Love Life.

You dissapoint me, I've been attacking Simon with reckless abandon these last few weeks, unlike you who doesn't have the fight anymore. Has Simon really gotten you to lose your fighting spirit?

[Lebron23]

You dissapoint me, I've been attacking Simon with reckless abandon these last few weeks, unlike you who doesn't have the fight anymore. Has Simon really gotten you to lose your fighting spirit?


You are Simon.

[inclinerator]

who is simon

[tpols]

this is a problem across all fields. athletes are now getting huge cuts of the pie, but remember, for every athlete making money like that, there are people above them making exponentially more money. Basketball is a side thing for them. So the already well off continue to get more and more well off, while the lives of all the underlings that don't shoot the ball in the hoop or up in top management get nothing increased.. they will still make sh!t and forced to be happy about it.

[jayfan]

Of course not.



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[LikeABosh]

Get out you goddamn commie bastard.

[eliteballer]

People are paying $200 a month for cable so guys like Mozgov and Parsons can get paid.


:coleman:

[DoctorP]

People are paying $200 a month for cable so guys like Mozgov and Parsons can get paid.


:coleman:

Thats their choice.

[DCL]

i think there's a general sense of envy from a lot of people here, but i don't have any since nba was never my reality.

how can i be envious of an opportunity that never existed in the first place? lol can't regret on anything that wasn't going to happen.

HOWEVER, if you're someone who dedicated every morning, lunch, and dinner to basketball and you're killing it in the D-league or wherever but can't get a damn phone call from the real league... you gotta be envious as hell of these scrubs getting paid.

man, i would hate to be these players struggling to make 20-25k in the lower leagues while thinking and believing they deserve to be in the league. they're right there at the door steps. all these contracts gotta be making them mad.

the rest of you -- no need to think about it. it ain't yours and it never was. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Isn't something very wrong with this?

I tend not to complain about people having something I help provide for them.

[thefatmiral]

The NBA either makes a lot more than we think or they're going to go bankrupt

[ALBballer]

No not at all but when these owners complain they don't make enough money and need the public to subsidize their arenas then maybe our politicians should stand up to these billionaires (wishful thinking i know.)

[BlackWhiteGreen]

What you're asking is "should the players earn 50% of the league's revenue as agreed?", to which the answer is a clear yes.

If you put the prices down for fans to make it affordable, demand would increase and the secondary market would increase, pricing out the people you wanted to help in the first place.

[90sgoat]

What you're asking is "should the players earn 50% of the league's revenue as agreed?", to which the answer is a clear yes.

If you put the prices down for fans to make it affordable, demand would increase and the secondary market would increase, pricing out the people you wanted to help in the first place.

Ok, here is another, there are who knows how many basketball hopefulls in the US, usually blacks with no or little education.

D-Leaguers don't even make enough to pay the bills.

How about making the D-League actually competetive and worth watching by making these teams into real teams with real contracts and coaches.