Game Score, NBA Finals - MJ, LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Curry and Dirk

[SamuraiSWISH]

Game score averaging out and weighing statistical production over the course of a game, giving numerical value to total impact.

These are for their entire NBA Finals series averages in various years.

Durant, Iverson, and Magic along with a few other series from perimeter players thrown in as well for good measure and reference points on grading the performance.

93 MJ - 29.6
91 MJ - 29.4
16 LeBron - 26.5
92 MJ - 25.8
06 Wade - 25.4
15 LeBron - 24.6
12 LeBron - 23.6
97 MJ - 23.4
09 Kobe - 22.8
11 Wade - 22.7
13 and 14 LeBron - 22.5
98 MJ - 21.4
12 KD - 20.7
01 Iverson - 20.5
02 Kobe - 20.3
91 Magic - 20.0

16 Kyrie - 19.1
02 Kidd - 19.0
12 Westbrook - 18.9
15 Curry - 17.9
11 Dirk - 16.6
06 Dirk - 16.2

11 LeBron - 13.7
16 Curry - 13.1
04 Kobe - 11.6
07 LeBron - 10.6
00 Kobe - 9.7

15 Kyrie before injury 21.1

Averages:

Jordan, 6 Finals - 24.68
Shaq, 6 Finals - 23.03
LeBron, 7 Finals - 20.57
Wade, 5 Finals - 17.46
Kobe, 7 Finals - 16.67

Interesting stuff evaluating the best players performance on the absolute biggest and most pressure packed stage.

[Dray n Klay]

However LeBron has the highest individual game game score





In fact, LeBron has 2 finals games with a higher game score than any of Jordan's

[JebronLames]

However LeBron has the highest individual game game score





In fact, LeBron has 2 finals games with a higher game score than any of Jordan's
LeBron also played in the much tougher era with the refs against him.

[Mr Feeny]

Game score averaging out and weighing statistical production over the course of a game, giving numerical value to total impact.

These are for their entire NBA Finals series averages in various years.

Durant, Iverson, and Magic along with a few other series from perimeter players thrown in as well for good measure and reference points on grading the performance.

93 MJ - 29.6
91 MJ - 29.4
16 LeBron - 26.5
92 MJ - 25.8
06 Wade - 25.4
15 LeBron - 24.6
12 LeBron - 23.6
97 MJ - 23.4
09 Kobe - 22.8
11 Wade - 22.7
13 and 14 LeBron - 22.5
98 MJ - 21.4
12 KD - 20.7
01 Iverson - 20.5
02 Kobe - 20.3
91 Magic - 20.0

16 Kyrie - 19.1
02 Kidd - 19.0
12 Westbrook - 18.9
15 Curry - 17.9
11 Dirk - 16.6
06 Dirk - 16.2

11 LeBron - 13.7
16 Curry - 13.1
04 Kobe - 11.6
07 LeBron - 10.6
00 Kobe - 9.7

15 Kyrie before injury 21.1

Averages:

Jordan, 6 Finals - 24.68
Shaq, 6 Finals - 23.03
LeBron, 7 Finals - 20.57
Wade, 5 Finals - 17.46
Kobe, 7 Finals - 16.67

Interesting stuff evaluating the best players performance on the absolute biggest and most pressure packed stage.

I don't see Shaq anywhere on the list?

Surprising to see this year's lebron so low. I thought it would be higher. But being up there with MJ is phenomenonal.
MJ's 1st 3peat being the 3 of the top 4 is insane!

[JT123]

LOL at 2000 Kobe :oldlol:
It's why no one with a brain takes those Shaq rings seriously

[JT123]

Also nice to see official confirmation that Kobe's 2004 Finals was much worse than Bron's 11 Finals. Educated fans already knew this of course, but always nice to have numbers to back it up. :applause:

[Dray n Klay]

LOL at 2000 Kobe :oldlol:
It's why no one with a brain takes those Shaq rings seriously

:roll: :roll: :banana:

[SamuraiSWISH]

I don't see Shaq anywhere on the list?

Surprising to see this year's lebron so low. I thought it would be higher. But being up there with MJ is phenomenonal.
MJ's 1st 3peat being the 3 of the top 4 is insane!
Shaq's averages are there for reference but I was just comparing perimeter guys primarily.

His series high in 2000 and 2002 slightly edge out Jordan's best series in 1991 and 1993.

LeBron's last few Finals have been phenomenal ... Wade has been the better finals performer compared to Kobe surprisingly.

Dirk has been as expected overrated af. Curry even had a better series last year.

[J Shuttlesworth]

MJ and LeBron are the ****ing 2 greatest players ever :bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

Shaq's averages are there for reference but I was just comparing perimeter guys primarily.

His series high in 2000 and 2002 slightly edge out Jordan's best series in 1991 and 1993.

LeBron's last few Finals have been phenomenal ... Wade has been the better finals performer compared to Kobe surprisingly.

Dirk has been as expected overrated af. Curry even had a better series last year.good research :applause:
This thread should be bumped after ever finals.
The only thing you could do to improve it is to include RoundMoundOfReb's finals stats and include them in the OP so that this thread becomes the ultimate finals comparison thread which includes game scorers and the statistical averages. .

[ArbitraryWater]

God damn... Kobe's been to SEVEN finals, and theyre this bad? Lol

[ArbitraryWater]

-Finals series' with a below 20.0 PER:

Jordan, James, O'Neal, Duncan, Hakeem, Dirk, Wade - combined: 6

Kobe Bryant: 4

[Mr Feeny]

-Finals series' with a below 20.0 PER:

Jordan, James, O'Neal, Duncan, Hakeem, Dirk, Wade - combined: 6

Kobe Bryant: 4

:eek:
He's an abysmal finals performer so not sure this is THAT shocking tbf

[ArbitraryWater]

:eek:
He's an abysmal finals performer so not sure this is THAT shocking tbf

Absolutely terrible.

[feyki]

-Finals series' with a below 20.0 PER:

Jordan, James, O'Neal, Duncan, Hakeem, Dirk, Wade - combined: 6

Kobe Bryant: 4

2 , it's 2 . Same as Lebron . Plus , Lebron has below 15 for one .

[Trollsmasher]

when comparing players remember that GameScore is a stat that was made for Jordan to excel in

[Odinn]

However LeBron has the highest individual game game score





In fact, LeBron has 2 finals games with a higher game score than any of Jordan's
Wondering will you be able to name who has the 2nd highest single GmSc in NBA Finals?

You give a sh!t about this because LeBron has some claim about it. No need to kid anyone.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:eek:
He's an abysmal finals performer so not sure this is THAT shocking tbf
I think it has to do with the fact that the East is a more gritty, and physical.

Kobe, and basically Curry both can't handle physicality as well while still playing their game. The West is much more finesse and skill based. Reason why Kobe and Curry play well in conference, or why LeBron has at times struggled with the Western Conference when teams are daring him to beat them with his jumper.

It's also the reason why MJ being the best of both worlds in terms of physicality and skill, excels no matter what. And before injuries, Wade was that way as well. MJ, LeBron and Wade can take and dish out physical punishment.

Look at their performances vs the 2010 Celtics.

LeBron: 22.0 GmSc
Kobe: 18.7 GmSc
Wade: 24.9 GmSc

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ and LeBron are the ****ing 2 greatest players ever :bowdown:
Jordan is clearly better but yes. Bron is 2nd best perimeter player ever. Some other cool game score stats.

People dispute Kobe's 2010 Finals MVP, saying it should've been Gasol?

Kobe - 18.7
Gasol - 18.6

So it truly was VERY arguable.

Jordan ALWAYS well out performed Pippen. Closest it ever was in 96 and MJ still had him beat by 6 points. Also, of the guys on the list, MJ is the only player to beat 2 guys in the Finals who had over a 20.0 game score.

91 Magic - 20.0
93 Barkley - 23.4

In Magic's case, Jordan was actually guarding him.

LeBron has beat one, 12 KD 20.7. Kobe never faced or beat an opposing Finals player who was of that caliber of greatness to overcome.

Penny in 1995 put up a 20.5 game score for the series. Hakeem 24.5 and Drexler 20.1. Pretty impressive.

And before injury last year Kyrie was at 21.0. And followed it up with 19.1 this year which was very impressive.

Duncan's one great Finals was 2003 and the 1999 one he was very good but not great. Kind of an overrated Finals performer.

Much like the tremendously one dimensional Dirk Nowitzki ... who didn't even out perform Jason Terry significantly in either of their Finals appearances.

:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Gamescore isn't the best of measures, IMO.

Its kinda like PER except this one just tells you how pretty said raw box-score was. If you want true in-game impact, go with RAPM or RPM.

PER is also cool for efficiency purposes.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think it has to do with the fact that the East is a more gritty, and physical.

Kobe, and basically Curry both can't handle physicality as well while still playing their game. The West is much more finesse and skill based. Reason why Kobe and Curry play well in conference, or why LeBron has at times struggled with the Western Conference when teams are daring him to beat them with his jumper.

It's also the reason why MJ being the best of both worlds in terms of physicality and skill, excels no matter what. And before injuries, Wade was that way as well. MJ, LeBron and Wade can take and dish out physical punishment.

Look at their performances vs the 2010 Celtics.

LeBron: 22.0 GmSc
Kobe: 18.7 GmSc
Wade: 24.9 GmSc

Some interesting points. Kobe fans will excuse his poor finals performances and claim the WCF = TRUE FINALS! but we all know better. Dude can't handle physical defenses like LeBron and MJ, or even Wade who's arguably the biggest (stature) 2-guard of all time.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Some interesting points. Kobe fans will excuse his poor finals performances and claim the WCF = TRUE FINALS! but we all know better. Dude can't handle physical defenses like LeBron and MJ, or even Wade who's arguably the biggest (stature) 2-guard of all time.
It's even evident in the now much more physical than the NBA, Olympic / FIBA ball in their production. LeBron, Wade, and Melo out perform him. They can shed physicality much easier. And in Wade's case pre injuries ... blow by it and take it near the rim. They all have bigger shoulders and physical punishment doesn't rattle them as much.

All those guys grew up playing street ball too which is more physical. Kobe and Curry grew up in different basketball environment.

If it wasn't for Bron going into ghost mode in 2011, with another chip and Finals MVP. And barring injuries the next few season, given their peaks, and head to heads ... Wade / Kobe would probably be ranked on the same level. Fighting for 2nd best SG all time. He'd be viewed entirely differently. Even in this year's playoffs ... when everyone considered him done, dude was balling.

Bron owes him a chip and Finals MVP.

It's funny, combine those two, and you have Jordan. It's like someone split his game and physicality into two separate players ... and we got Wade / Kobe as the true heir apparents. One watched him from a far and studied him. The other directly inspired watching his greatness close up in the city he dominated the NBA from.

:pimp:

BTW, I really think game score is an accurate description of performance. Even if combined of raw numbers. It streamlines it into cut and dry, one number of who performed better or worse. It's very valuable.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Of course Dirk will look bad on Gamescore. It values assists and offensive rebounds and steals more than other things.

Points/Offensive rebounds/Steals/Assists... that is the four heaviest rated statistics.

Dirk has only been a defensive rebounder. Part of that is design... hard to get o boards when you are shooting long twos and 3s. He has never been a big assist guy even when he became a decent passer.

And in the Finals, he scored fine but not that efficient.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Points/Offensive rebounds/Steals/Assists... that is the four heaviest rated statistics.

Uhh because those are easily the most valuable.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Points/Offensive rebounds/Steals/Assists... that is the four heaviest rated statistics.

Uhh because those are easily the most valuable.

Points is the only one on that list is "valuable." The other ones are subjective. Blocks are just as important as steals. Defensive rebounds are just as important as offensive ones, etc.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Points is the only one on that list is "valuable." The other ones are subjective. Blocks are just as important as steals. Defensive rebounds are just as important as offensive ones, etc.
Clearly you've never played ball.

You are going to say its subjective then in the same stance claim defensive rebounds are as important as offensive? Lol hypocrisy and stupid.

Offensive rebounds are always more difficult. It allows extra possessions. They can break a defenses spirit. Few things are more deflating to a defense than offensive rebounds. Immediate scoring opportunities and extra possessions. The entire defense crashes the boards. The offense isn't. So if you have a guy that can still go get the rock with odds against him, that's incredibly valuable. It's no secret to anyone who actually plays.

The two most winning teams of all time had two high motor, high offensive rebound guys. Rodman and Draymond Green.

Steals are incredibly valuable. A player is directly and individually taking away a possession for the other team.

Assists goes without saying because you're creating scoring opportunity for less capable teammates.

Those are all the hierarchy of most important and difficult to amass stats in basketball. Thus why they're ranked so valuable.

:rolleyes:

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Clearly you've never played ball.

You are going to say its subjective then in the same stance claim defensive rebounds are as important as offensive? Lol hypocrisy and stupid.

Offensive rebounds are always more difficult. It allows extra possessions. They can break a defenses spirit. Few things are more deflating to a defense than offensive rebounds. Immediate scoring opportunities and extra possessions. The entire defense crashes the boards. The offense isn't. So if you have a guy that can still go get the rock with odds against him, that's incredibly valuable. It's no secret to anyone who actually plays.

The two most winning teams of all time had two high motor, high offensive rebound guys. Rodman and Draymond Green.

Steals are incredibly valuable. A player is directly and individually taking away a possession for the other team.

Assists goes without saying because you're creating scoring opportunity for less capable teammates.

Those are all the hierarchy of most important and difficult to amass stats in basketball. Thus why they're ranked so valuable.

:rolleyes:

You really don't read do you? There is no hypocrisy. I said all the stats besides points is are subjective. I'm sure I can find many other experts that can prove that. Hence why you have about 50 different advanced stats, like the one you are swearing to like the Bible.

So why not use PER? VORP? RAPM? Win Shares? etc etc.

Oh wait... it doesn't suit your agenda.

[KiiiiNG]

KD as a 23 year old kid up there with legends. :applause: (except kobe... had a fluke finals against inferior team)

[ArbitraryWater]

It's even evident in the now much more physical than the NBA, Olympic / FIBA ball in their production. LeBron, Wade, and Melo out perform him. They can shed physicality much easier. And in Wade's case pre injuries ... blow by it and take it near the rim. They all have bigger shoulders and physical punishment doesn't rattle them as much.

All those guys grew up playing street ball too which is more physical. Kobe and Curry grew up in different basketball environment.

If it wasn't for Bron going into ghost mode in 2011, with another chip and Finals MVP. And barring injuries the next few season, given their peaks, and head to heads ... Wade / Kobe would probably be ranked on the same level. Fighting for 2nd best SG all time. He'd be viewed entirely differently. Even in this year's playoffs ... when everyone considered him done, dude was balling.

Bron owes him a chip and Finals MVP.

It's funny, combine those two, and you have Jordan. It's like someone split his game and physicality into two separate players ... and we got Wade / Kobe as the true heir apparents. One watched him from a far and studied him. The other directly inspired watching his greatness close up in the city he dominated the NBA from.

:pimp:

BTW, I really think game score is an accurate description of performance. Even if combined of raw numbers. It streamlines it into cut and dry, one number of who performed better or worse. It's very valuable.

We're still doing this? Lol

Sometimes you play well and dont win... you know how many times this has happened to Bron?

Anyway... your point on the East/West styles is the best thing you did since you came back.

[Mr Feeny]

We're still doing this? Lol

Sometimes you play well and dont win... you know how many times this has happened to Bron?

Anyway... your point on the East/West styles is the best thing you did since you came back.We all love lebron but isn't he right? In the case of the 2011 finals, for whatever reason, Lebron was off. Had he been even at 60%, they probably canter to the title and lebron has 4 titles as would Wade.

Regardless, Lebron came back like a beast with b2b seasons sweeping the reg season and finals mvps. And then lead the Cavs to the only 3-1 comeback in finals history against a 73 win team while leading both teams in all statistical category. He might be the 2nd best perimeter player ever,already. Might have a case for top 2-3 all time.
All swish was saying was in that particular series, he cost Wade (and himself for that matter) what would have been and 4th title.

[ArbitraryWater]

We all love lebron but isn't he right? In the case of the 2011 finals, for whatever reason, Lebron was off. Had he been even at 60%, they probably canter to the title and lebron has 4 titles as would Wade.

Regardless, Lebron came back like a beast with b2b seasons sweeping the reg season and finals mvps. And then lead the Cavs to the only 3-1 comeback in finals history against a 73 win team while leading both teams in all statistical category. He might be the 2nd best perimeter player ever,already. Might have a case for top 2-3 all time.
All swish was saying was in that particular series, he cost Wade (and himself for that matter) what would have been and 4th title.

For sure..

but Swish like most others are putting an arbitrary limit on LeBron's play.

Bron choked... but he should have played just well enough for them to win, but not well enough for him to be FMVP himself.. :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

16 LeBron is the GOAT when you put context into the equation

[SamuraiSWISH]

16 LeBron is the GOAT when you put context into the equation
He had a weak individual matchup though and no rim defenders. He also didn't really have to guard anyone of note. Which allowed him to roam and disrupt with his team defense.

But beating a 73 win regular season team, and coming back from 3-1 is extraordinary. Very impressive. Leading all statistical categories for both teams. Him and Kyrie balled out. Irving torched the two time "unanimous" MVP.

Those first two horrendous games dragged his series down just a tad. And scoring wise was slightly underwhelming in game 7. His game 5 and 6 made his series.

[ArbitraryWater]

He had a weak individual matchup though and no rim defenders. He also didn't really have to guard anyone of note. Which allowed him to roam and disrupt with his team defense.

But beating a 73 win regular season team, and coming back from 3-1 is extraordinary. Very impressive. Leading all statistical categories for both teams. Him and Kyrie balled out. Irving torched the two time "unanimous" MVP.

Those first two horrendous games dragged his series down just a tad. And scoring wise was slightly underwhelming in game 7. His game 5 and 6 made his series.

Igoudala?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Igoudala?
He struggles scoring on him, but I'm talking on the defensive end.

Iggy isn't a threatening offensive player.

He guarded Green in game 7, let him shoot jumpers, and Green was keeping them in the game because of it. He hit like 5 threes in the first half.