How is LBJ > passer than MJ with only 1 more APG, more TOs, & far less scoring load?

[3ball]

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Would Lebron still have the tiny 1 assist advantage if his team required him score 6 more PPG or be scoring leader for every playoff series of his career by an average margin of 15 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan?

Obviously not - Lebron has many series where he wasn't his team's scoring leader, including an entire playoff run.. The reality is that NO all-time great led their team for every series of their career, let alone by 15 ppg margin like Jordan did.

Btw, the 1 assist edge is cancelled out by turnovers, so Lebron actually has NO assist advantage... Then there's ball-dominance...
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[Nash]

ommmmmmmmmmggggggggggggg

[KingPush]

Lebron is the better passer, ****ing deal with it

[Ben Simmons]

That's because Lebron being a better passer than MJ has nothing to do with their assist numbers

[3ball]

That's because Lebron being a better passer than MJ has nothing to do with their assist numbers
What does it have to do with?

3/7?

[SouBeachTalents]

What does it have to do with?

3/7?

1/9

[Ben Simmons]

What does it have to do with?

3/7?
So Finals record is how you determine who is a better passer?

[CuterThanRubio]

Lebron has led his team in total assists every year except for his rookie season, there is no comparison, you are getting desperate now~!

6.9> 5.3

That is more than a "tiny" 1 assist per game, STOP SKEWING STATS!

[inclinerator]

not about the assist numbers, majority of the world will agree lebron is a better passer

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron is a better passer. End of discussion.

BTW, you've made this thread COUNTLESS times. Pickup another hobby and do something better with your time.

[Smoke117]

Meltdown. Lebron > Kareem > Jordan

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan was a suboptimal Lebron James.

[3ball]

6.9> 5.3

STOP SKEWING STATS!


We're talking playoffs dumbass, where Lebron's assist edge is only 1.1... and 1.5 is still "tiny", especially considering his higher turnovers

so stop falsely accusing me - i don't skew stats - you're just an ignoramus that isn't aware of most of the stats I post such as Lebron's assist edge being only 1.1 in the playoffs
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[3ball]

:rolleyes:
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[moongaze]

How are you still arguing for Jordan? Jordan never faced the level of competition that lebron has and will have to face in his career.

[inclinerator]

like i said, make a poll and the majority of the world will agree lebron is a far better passer

[3ball]

LeBron is a better passer. End of discussion.


Jordan is a better passer because he only averaged 1 less assist and less turnovers, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals.

See, I just explained why Jordan is a better passer, whereas you can't for Lebron, other than make 3rd grade-level declarative statements - go take that ignorant shit somewhere else.
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[CuterThanRubio]

We're talking playoffs dumbass, where Lebron's assist edge is only 1.1... and 1.5 is still "tiny", especially considering his higher turnovers

so stop falsely accusing me - i don't skew stats - you're just an ignoramus that isn't aware of most of the stats I post such as Lebron's assist edge being only 1.1 in the playoffs



Jordan led his team in assists too, despite his far higher scoring load - Jordan led his team in assist percentage for both (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate field goals.

But you're missing the point - Lebron has a much smaller scoring load, so it's easier for him to get assists

So again - how is Lebron a better passer with only 1 more APG, more turnovers and a FAR smaller scoring load?

:roll:

I was waiting to see what you would conjure up after deleting your initial reply, still weak!

You do purposely skew stats, rounding up for Jordan and shaving off numbers for others, it happens on a consistent basis, what are you afraid of?

Assists were easier for Jordan because he played on stacked teams and defenses were focused on stopping him from getting looks, meanwhile everyone knows LeBron wants to dish but he still gets his numbers.

[3ball]

poll and the majority of the world will agree lebron is a far better passer


That's because the majority of fans have a basic understanding of the game - in their mind, they envision a good passer as being a point guard-style player that stands at the top of the key pounding the rock and directing traffic.

But that doesn't make someone a good passer.. Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals.
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[CuterThanRubio]

The 91 finals was an anomaly

Magic averaged 12.4 assists and dropped 20 in the final game, defense sucked in those days and it was easier to pad your totals.

LeBron led the entire finals in total assists 6 out of 7 times, lets be real about this!

[3ball]

Jordan never faced the level of competition that lebron has and will have to face in his career.


The team with the best regular season record FREQUENTLY loses in the playoffs, so regular season records don't measure all-time greatness.. The Warriors were 15-9 in these playoffs and would've been beaten by many of Jordan's Finals opponents.

Regarding the Spurs - if Jordan's Bulls played in the 2000's, the Spurs would be just like the Jazz - no rings - the Jazz destroyed Duncan/Popovich's 56-win Spurs in 1998 playoffs, and then swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers before Jordan crushed them in the Finals.. twice... just like he'd do the Spurs, who never dominated anyone EXCEPT Lebron, and never won b2b.

[Trollsmasher]

Jordan should've averaged 10 assists for his career considering the competition

next

[3ball]

The 91 finals was an anomaly


Jordan averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals and he averaged 30/9/11 during a 24-game stretch at point guard in 1989 - so the 1991 Finals weren't an anomaly.. You're just a little ignorant about the NBA's history.





LeBron led the entire finals in total assists 6 out of 7 times


Would Lebron do that if his team needed him to score 9 more PPG, like Jordan's team thru 31 years old, or 6 more points for his playoff and Finals career?... Obviously not.

Ultimately, you can't explain why Lebron is a better passer, whereas I CAN for Jordan: Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals (despite a far greater scoring load).
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[3ball]

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Would Lebron average 1 more APG if his team needed him to score 9 more PPG, like Jordan's team thru 31 years old, or 6 more points for his playoff and Finals career?... Obviously not.

Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals (despite a far greater scoring load).

[CuterThanRubio]

LeBron is a better passer because he has led the entire finals in total assists 6 out of 7 times.

Michael Jordan has NEVER led an entire finals series in total assists!

The end!

:hammerhead:

[3ball]

Michael Jordan has NEVER led an entire finals series in total assists!


He averaged 11.2 in 1991, which is far better than anything Lebron has ever done - but since Jordan was facing the best PG ever, his 11.2 average didn't lead the series.

Btw, do you realize that through 31 years old, Jordan averaged more APG in playoffs and Finals?... And only 1 less for his career, despite having a far greater scoring load.





LeBron is a better passer because he has led the entire finals in total assists 6 out of 7 times.


Would Lebron do that have his tiny 1 APG edge if his team needed him to score 9 more PPG, like Jordan's team thru 31 years old, or 6 more points for his playoff and Finals career?... Obviously not.

Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals (despite a far greater scoring load).

[3ball]

So just to confirm - you guys think Lebron would still have a 1 assist edge in playoffs if he was required to score 6 more PPG (or 9 more thru 31 years old), or dominate the ball less like Jordan?

Okay that's fine, because you're just ignorant and/or in denial if you think that.

You guys don't even realize that Jordan averaged more assists thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals, and Lebron has never matched Jordan's 1991 Finals performance or his stretch at PG in 1989
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[Dray n Klay]

Jordan was not even close to being the best passer on his team


Pippen>>>




Jordan was a 3rd grade passer, on his own team

[3ball]

Jordan was not even close to being the best passer on his team


Pippen>>>



:rolleyes:... Jordan assisted more during the 6-peat while scoring 10-20 ppg more than Pippen:



Assist Percentage 1991-1993 Playoffs:

Jordan: 31.1%
Pippen: 23.3%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced


Assist Percentage 1996-1998 Playoffs:

Jordan: 22.3%
Pippen: 22.0%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1996-1998-sum:playoffs_advanced
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[LeBird]

Imagine thinking Jordan is a better passer than LeBron https://forum.sectioneighty.com/data/emoticons/0/aa8da4e952a8fe52f3668350fba1e3e4.png

[CuterThanRubio]

He averaged 11.2 in 1991, which is far better than anything Lebron has ever done - but since Jordan was facing the best PG ever, his 11.2 average didn't lead the series.

Btw, do you realize that through 31 years old, Jordan averaged more APG in playoffs and Finals?... And only 1 less for his career, despite having a far greater scoring load.



Would Lebron do that have his tiny 1 APG edge if his team needed him to score 9 more PPG, like Jordan's team thru 31 years old, or 6 more points for his playoff and Finals career?... Obviously not.

Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals (despite a far greater scoring load).

A DYING Magic Johnson averaged more assists and produced a higher total than Jordan did in 91.

Has Jordan ever had a game with 40 points and double digit assists in the finals? I don't think so!

LeBron closed out the greatest team of all time barring injuries and suspensions with consecutive double digit assist games, including a 40 point explosion, not to mention he led the entire finals in ALL categories, something Jordan never even came close to accomplishing!

Every thread you create only makes LeBron look better and better

[3ball]

Imagine thinking Jordan is a better passer than LeBron


Most fans have the 3rd-grade level idea that a good passer must be a point guard-style player that stands at the top of the key pounding the rock and directing traffic.

But that doesn't make someone a good passer.. Jordan is a better passer because he averaged only 1 less assist, despite carrying a FAR greater scoring load and not dominating the ball like Lebron or accumulating as many turnovers.

He's also a better passer because he passed better in 1991 Finals than Lebron ever has (and also during his PG stretch in 1989) and averaged more assists than Lebron thru 31 years old in playoffs and Finals... Here's the question: would Lebron average the same assists if he DIDN'T dominate the ball and was required to score 6 more PPG... Obviously not.

[3ball]

LeBron led the entire finals in ALL categories, something Jordan never even came close to accomplishing!


^^^ That's 3rd grade logic

Jordan's 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals while scoring 16 ppg more than Pippen is better than Lebron's 30/11/9 in 2016 Finals while scoring only 2 ppg more than Kyrie (and Kyrie made the game-winning plays).

Also, Lebron averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was much >>

[LeBird]

Most fans have the 3rd-grade level idea that a good passer must be a point guard-style player that stands at the top of the key pounding the rock and directing traffic.

What are you talking about? Jordan hogged the ball.

Career usage rates:

1. Michael Jordan* 33.26
2. Dwyane Wade 32.03
3. Kobe Bryant 31.85
4. Allen Iverson* 31.83
5. LeBron James 31.64

Anyone with eyes knows that LeBron is the better passer and playmaker. Try sticking to things that people actually already kind of agree with - like Jordan's scoring. Because you just discredit yourself and Jordan by extension.

:lol

[CuterThanRubio]

^^^ That's 3rd grade logic

Jordan's 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals while scoring 16 ppg more than his 2nd option is better than Lebron's 30/11/9 in 2016 Finals while scoring only 2 ppg more than Kyrie (while Kyrie made the game-winning plays).

Also, Lebron averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was much >>

lol@ this fail trolling

MJ never faced a team half as good as 16GSW and thats a fact

LeBron led in every category, something Jordan never did in ANY series, let alone the finals, and he also came back from 3-1 in the finals, something that has never been done before, its no contest, its time to move on!

[3ball]

MJ never faced a team half as good as 16GSW and thats a fact


The team with the best regular season record FREQUENTLY loses in the playoffs, so regular season records don't measure all-time greatness.. The Warriors were 15-9 in these playoffs and would've lost to many of Jordan's Finals opponents.





LeBron led a great comeback


Winning in 7 games means Lebron was LESS dominant, not more dominant.

Lebron averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE SERIES like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was much >>






LeBron led in every category, something Jordan never did in ANY series,


Who cares?... Jordan's 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals > Lebron's 30/11/9 SPECIFICALLY because he scored 16 ppg more than Pippen and made all the game-winning plays, while Lebron scored only 2 ppg more than Kyrie while Kyrie made the game-winning plays.
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