D'angelo and Ingram for Westbrook. Get it done

[clutchinho]

Makes sense for both teams. Lakers will probably have to include Tarik Black and a pick to match salaries.

Thunder are in full rebuilding mode and you get the potential in Ingram and Russell to be the next KD/Westbrook. There's a window of 3 years where both guys are on their rookie contracts to acquire more vets and role players. There is no way the Thunder get a better payoff for Westbrook than this considering he can just walk for nothing.

Lakers as a franchise can't stand for long rebuilds. Westbrook immediately brings the team to respectability and playoff contention. Lakers don't hold their pick this year anyway, so a 45 win season followed by a big free agent signing in 2017 and they're back in contention.

C - Mozgov/Zubac
PF - Randle/Nance
SF - Deng/Brown
SG - Clarkson/Lou
PG - Westbrook/Huertas/FA signing (Blake?)

[DMAVS41]

Makes sense for both teams. Lakers will probably have to include Tarik Black and a pick to match salaries.

Thunder are in full rebuilding mode and you get the potential in Ingram and Russell to be the next KD/Westbrook. There's a window of 3 years where both guys are on their rookie contracts to acquire more vets and role players.

Lakers as a franchise can't stand for long rebuilds. Westbrook immediately brings the team to respectability and playoff contention. Lakers don't hold their pick this year anyway, so a 45 win season followed by a big free agent signing in 2017 and they're back in contention.

C - Mozgov/Zubac
PF - Randle/Nance
SF - Deng/Brown
SG - Clarkson/Lou
PG - Westbrook/Huertas/FA signing (Blake?)


Problem is...that roster still sucks...and the Lakers don't have cap space because they just handed out like 135 million to Deng/Moz.

So trading those two young guys to get Russ is tricky unless he agrees to sign and extend or there is some sort of agreement he's going to re-up.

Because that roster just isn't good at all.

[KingPush]

Too much for Westbrook who only has a year left on his contract

OKC should throw in Adams

[Jameerthefear]

that would be a hilariously bad move by the Lakers

[ClipperRevival]

WB about to turn 28 this year, which makes him 9 years older than Ingram. And given his athleticism based game, he might start to decline shortly after 30. I'm not about to give up Ingram for a couple of great years, especially when we won't win anything. If this was 25 year old WB, no doubt but not now.

[clutchinho]

Too much for Westbrook who only has a year left on his contract

OKC should throw in Adams

And so? The NBA is a star driven league, and Westbrook is a proven top 5 player.

The Lakers have mortgaged their entire future in the last 3 years trying to get their franchise player, if Westbrook is available then you go and get him, and worry about filling out the rest of the roster later.

Maybe the Lakers can throw in Mozgov for Kanter, can't see the Thunder giving up Adams in a rebuild AND the best player in the trade in Westbrook.

[DMAVS41]

WB about to turn 28 this year, which makes him 9 years older than Ingram. And given his athleticism based game, he might start to decline shortly after 30. I'm not about to give up Ingram for a couple of great years, especially when we won't win anything. If this was 25 year old WB, no doubt but not now.

Yep...and with Moz / Deng on the roster and Russ up for a max next season...there is no real way to improve the roster enough to contend.

It would be a dumb move likely...but I'd bet the Lakers would so something pretty dumb.

[KingPush]

And so? The NBA is a star driven league, and Westbrook is a proven top 5 player.

The Lakers have mortgaged their entire future in the last 3 years trying to get their franchise player, if Westbrook is available then you go and get him, and worry about filling out the rest of the roster later.

Maybe the Lakers can throw in Mozgov for Kanter, can't see the Thunder giving up Adams in a rebuild AND the best player in the trade in Westbrook.
No,thats ****ing stupid

OKC is desperate and will try their best to trade him if they have a feeling he leaves. Lakers could get much more from than since they have leverage

[oh the horror]

WB about to turn 28 this year, which makes him 9 years older than Ingram. And given his athleticism based game, he might start to decline shortly after 30. I'm not about to give up Ingram for a couple of great years, especially when we won't win anything. If this was 25 year old WB, no doubt but not now.



This. I'm growing very tired of some laker fans out there demanding these ridiculous trades where we continuously get ourselves in these predicaments where we shoot ourselves in the foot if we don't land multiple big name players.

When will everyone learn that they may have to abandon what worked before and rebuild and allow young prospects to grow?



Keep swinging for the fences fellas. The shit hasn't worked in awhile.

[theballerFKA Ace]

You obviously didn't put a lot of thought into this. :facepalm

[KingPush]

WB about to turn 28 this year, which makes him 9 years older than Ingram. And given his athleticism based game, he might start to decline shortly after 30. I'm not about to give up Ingram for a couple of great years, especially when we won't win anything. If this was 25 year old WB, no doubt but not now.
Lebron turns 32 this year and doesnt really show signs of wearing down. Westbrook will still be athletic past 30

[oh the horror]

Lebron turns 32 this year and doesnt really show signs of wearing down. Westbrook will still be athletic past 30



That isn't always a given. There just isn't enough out there to justify trading away bright prospects for a guy that may only have X amount of years when we have to wait and wait to sign big name free agents. The lakers don't have many trade assests so everything would be acquired via free agency. It wouldn't make any sense for them to take these risks without knowing what they have right now with these guys

[ClipperRevival]

Yep...and with Moz / Deng on the roster and Russ up for a max next season...there is no real way to improve the roster enough to contend.

It would be a dumb move likely...but I'd bet the Lakers would so something pretty dumb.

Yup. It would be wasting WB for 2-3 years on bad teams. That accomplishes nothing in the long run. I am more than willing to let DRuss go but not Ingram. He has way too much superstar potential to let go.

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron turns 32 this year and doesnt really show signs of wearing down. Westbrook will still be athletic past 30

Yeah, but Bron is 6'8" and 260 lbs. He'll always have power/size/height advantages. WB's game is based on sheer athleticism about as much as anyone in history. When he loses a half step, his game will decline. And once he loses a full step, his effectiveness will go down even more. Even if Lakers get 4-5 great years out of him instead 2-3, most of those would be when our youngsters are still developing and not ready to win yet.

[clutchinho]

Yup. It would be wasting WB for 2-3 years on bad teams. That accomplishes nothing in the long run. I am more than willing to let DRuss go but not Ingram. He has way too much superstar potential to let go.

I agree Ingram is a keeper. There is zero bust probability with Ingram since he doesn't really have any weaknesses other than being young.

Ideal trade for the Lakers will be D'Angelo and Clarkson and a future first for Westbrook. That team would be dangerous since Westbrook will be able to generate easy looks for Ingram and the frontcourt at will.

[clutchinho]

No,thats ****ing stupid

OKC is desperate and will try their best to trade him if they have a feeling he leaves. Lakers could get much more from than since they have leverage

We'll see who has the leverage in February when the Lakers are 15-40 and staring at sending their top 5 pick to Philly and striking out yet again in free agency. It's not like the rest of the league doesn't have plenty of assets to throw at the Thunder for Westbrook.

If the deal is there, get it done.

[Awesomedoers]

Terrible move for the Lakers. They lose 2 potential stars, and westbrook can just leave the next year. Also, that lineup doesn't make it out of the west at all.

[Levity]

so when you say it makes sense for both teams, is that like chinese or something for "its a fcking retarded move for LA"?

[HoopSuperstar]

For a laker fan it's good for Westbrook it's suck. In the beginning it'll be ok until he gets tired of losing while his old buddy Durant crushes him during the season and wins the title.

[Levity]

For a laker fan it's good for Westbrook it's suck. In the beginning it'll be ok until he gets tired of losing while his old buddy Durant crushes him during the season and wins the title.

so what part of it is good exactly?

[clutchinho]

so when you say it makes sense for both teams, is that like chinese or something for "its a fcking retarded move for LA"?

Whats the alternative for the Lakers? Stay as they are and be the next Sacramento Kings for the next 5 years since they don't even own their pick for 2 of the next 3 years, and remain a toxic free agent destination since nobody wants to babysit 20 year old kids.

Of course the ideal situation would have been to develop the kids this year, and lure Westbrook and Blake Griffin in 2017 free agency and immediately contend. But the Lakers gave away that flexibility giving Mozgov and Deng those retarded 4 year contracts. Cant see Westbrook signing up by himself to join a 25 win team.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Problem is that the Lakers team with Westbrook is worse than Thunder with Westbrook.

[Levity]

Whats the alternative for the Lakers? Stay as they are and be the next Sacramento Kings for the next 5 years since they don't even own their pick for 2 of the next 3 years, and remain a toxic free agent destination since nobody wants to babysit 20 year old kids.

Of course the ideal situation would have been to develop the kids this year, and lure Westbrook and Blake Griffin in 2017 free agency and immediately contend. But the Lakers gave away that flexibility giving Mozgov and Deng those retarded 4 year contracts. Cant see Westbrook signing up by himself to join a 25 win team.

in the situation you presented us? the ideal would be to not sell their future for a 1 yr rental on westbrook when the team isnt designed to make an impact this season. adding westbrook doesnt guarantee the 8th seed. so you risk trading the farm for him to walk away this summer? and then to start again fresh.

why not let these kids devlelop a year, and then this summer pitch this team to westbrook in free agency. why rush something (selling the team for westbrook) when this seasons results will be the exact same either way

but if wb is a MUST this year for lakers.. ingram is off the table.

Dangelo... ok LA would part with him for the idea of keeping WB. but if thats not enough (w randle?), then keep him and pair those 2 together next year. a dangelo westbrook backcourt is an intriguing one.

[clutchinho]

in the situation you presented us? the ideal would be to not sell their future for a 1 yr rental on westbrook when the team isnt designed to make an impact this season. adding westbrook doesnt guarantee the 8th seed. so you risk trading the farm for him to walk away this summer? and then to start again fresh.

why not let these kids devlelop a year, and then this summer pitch this team to westbrook in free agency. why rush something (selling the team for westbrook) when this seasons results will be the exact same either way

but if wb is a MUST this year for lakers.. ingram is off the table.

Dangelo... ok LA would part with him for the idea of keeping WB. but if thats not enough (w randle?), then keep him and pair those 2 together next year. a dangelo westbrook backcourt is an intriguing one.

Agree Ingram is a keeper and pretty much a lock as a future all-star. The Lakers should start their offer with Russell and one of Clarkson or Randle but very likely there would be equivalent or better offers out there for OKC.

Ownership and management is under immense pressure since there's been a lot of empty promises and mismanagement in recent years, one more 25 win season without even having a pick to show for it might be it for Jimmy Buss. Ingram and Russell would get the deal done immediately, and given the star obsessed culture at the Lakers and with Jim Buss' ass on the line, can see it happening.

[scm5]

I agree Ingram is a keeper. There is zero bust probability with Ingram since he doesn't really have any weaknesses other than being young.

Ideal trade for the Lakers will be D'Angelo and Clarkson and a future first for Westbrook. That team would be dangerous since Westbrook will be able to generate easy looks for Ingram and the frontcourt at will.

Westbrook
Ingram
Deng
Randle
Mozgov

This lineup at least sounds like it would be a handful to deal with, which is a start.

[HoopSuperstar]

so what part of it is good exactly?

In Laker fans perspective it looks great yeh we got Westbrook, but will he really be satisfied in losing, do you think he has the patience to wait up 3 or 4 years. So why be so excited about this trade if he's not planning on sticking around?

[alanLA92]

I would not trade Ingram at all. Not to mention Westbrook can just walk out next year and go to a better team. Lakers already learned the lesson about one yr rentals (Howard).

[GreatHILL]

this is a great deal for the fakers hometown kid in his prime

[K.dot ShowTime]

Hell no. Don't touch Ingram. I'd be happy to trade D'bustello Bustell and julius bustdle for Goatbrook though

[KobeLookLike2Pac]

Even with Westbrook, the Lakers are going nowhere yet. Best case scenario, the 6th seed, worst case scenario he inhibits the young player's development, like Kobe did unfortunately(Kobe earned the right though). It will be fun to watch the young guns develop and gel. That will keep me more entertained than watching the Lakers run a Westbrook dominated offense and berate the young guys for making mistakes.