A key stat that shows how unbelievable the Warriors will be

[3ball]

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Time of Possession Regular Season


62. YRussell Westbrook. 8.1 minutes
26.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.6 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season



Time of Possession Playoffs


61. YRussell Westbrook. 9.5 minutes
14.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.5 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1



Durant will have an extra 3-4 minutes PER GAME to hold the rock...

And he will FINALLY play within an elite brand of basketball and system - it's Durant's world now boys - what a genius of a move by him.

He's finally evened up the playing field by team-hopping like Lebron did, so he will blow Lebron away now that it's an even playing field

[TheWinningFam]

If lebron somehow beats this team it will be better than anything jordan has ever accomplished, No discussion.

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron just surpassed Jordan all-time


So OP is saying both Durant and LeBron will be ahead of Jordan? :lol

[ScalsFan21]

Well you're right about one thing, Golden Stacked is the most Dream Team-esque compilation of talent that any NBA roster has ever put on the court. Ever.

[3ball]

If lebron somehow beats this team it will be better than anything jordan has ever accomplished, No discussion.


Keep dreaming bud - Lebron needed a miracle to win this year, even though Dray missed the key game and Curry/Bogut/Iggy were injured.

See, you don't get it - Durant has always been on Lebron's level, but he never team-hopped like Lebron, so the playing field was never even.. Now the playing field is even, and Durant will blow Lebron away

[Rocketswin2013]

you do not believe durant is on lebron's level. even now. gun to your head you would never say any stupid shite like that, troll.

[CTbasketball92]

@3ball - Let me know when Durant takes a team with Mo Williams as its second best player to a 66 win record, or when LeBron blows a 3-1 lead in the most important game of his life

But yeah, Durant will be nasty. LeBron and Kyrie are about to put in work and make it close though.

[3ball]

Well you're right about one thing


Did you read the OP?... Durant will have an extra 3-4 minutes PER GAME to hold the rock... :banana:

And he will FINALLY play within an elite brand of basketball and system - it's Durant's world now - what a genius of a move by him.

He's finally evened up the playing field by team-hopping like Lebron did, so he will blow Lebron away now that it's an even playing field





Golden Stacked is the most Dream Team-esque compilation of talent that any NBA roster has ever put on the court. Ever.


I disagree - the 1983 Sixers, and also the 80's Lakers and Celtics had equal or greater talent.

Also, Lebron's 2011 Heat team was expected to win "not 5, not 6, not 7"... Don't forget that Wade was scoring champ and Bosh was 24/12 - both were top 5 PER and arguably the best SG and PF in the league.. Then they added Ray Allen as 4th option.

[TheWinningFam]

Keep dreaming bud - Lebron needed a miracle to win this year, even though Dray missed the key game and Curry/Bogut/Iggy were injured.

See, you don't get it - Durant has always been on Lebron's level, but he never team-hopped like Lebron, so the playing field was never even.. Now the playing field is even, and Durant will blow Lebron away
Needing a so called ''miracle'' doesn't detract from the fact that they won, and its better than anything jordan ever did.
kd had a squad that was favored in the 2012 finals and couldn't do it, hes a beta.
Also how is lebron being traded to the heat for draft pics team hopping? by your logic kobe team hopped to the lakers. Also why couldn't jordan win one for Charlotte or on any other franchise for that matter since he's laps ahead of lebron? Jordan couldn't win without pippen and a HOF coach, against garbage expansion era teams. Lebrons 3 championships are already agianst better teams than jordan ever faced, this win over the warriors would just be icing on the cake. Deal with it.
So durant would just be following in the footsteps of your idol, needing to assemble stacked teams to beat the bad boy pistons
in this case assembling a team to beat the future GOAT lebron.

[moongaze]

Keep dreaming bud - Lebron needed a miracle to win this year, even though Dray missed the key game and Curry/Bogut/Iggy were injured.

See, you don't get it - Durant has always been on Lebron's level, but he never team-hopped like Lebron, so the playing field was never even.. Now the playing field is even, and Durant will blow Lebron away

A miracle is winning 4 out of the last 5 games, leading for all but 14 minutes in three wins? Bogut, the net negative being hurt helped golden State
Kyrie got hurt the same game Iggy got hurt. Kyrie is more important than Iggy. Love/Delly/mozgov were hurt also if you want to play retard. Curry wasn't hurt. His playoff stats have always been worse than his regular season stats. Game 5 wasn't anymore key than games 6 and 7. Weak excuse. :oldlol:

[bigkingsfan]

If lebron somehow beats this team it will be better than anything jordan has ever accomplished, No discussion.
He already did.

[Bankaii]

So basically if Lebron wins a ring next year he's the GOAT:bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Russell Westbrook's lack of off ball game and reliance on heavy ball domination reduces the effectiveness of his teammates and is not conductive of winning basketball

[Dray n Klay]

Also, Lebron's 2011 Heat team was expected to win "not 5, not 6, not 7"... Don't forget that Wade was scoring champ and Bosh was 24/12 - both were top 5 PER and arguably the best SG and PF in the league.. Then they added Ray Allen as 4th option.


That Heat team couldnt even make the playoffs once LeBron left in 2015



Only once they stacked the deck when LeBron left by adding Dragic, Deng, and Whiteside could they sneak into the playoffs






Therefore, the Heat were never stacked :banana:

[SouBeachTalents]

you do not believe durant is on lebron's level. even now. gun to your head you would never say any stupid shite like that, troll.

Yeah it's bullshit, he's literally never made a thread about Durant before tonight, and he spends his entire life making threads about LeBron

[3ball]

Let me know when LeBron blows a 3-1 lead in the most important game of his life


Lebron has blown TWO 2-1 leads in the Finals (2011 and 2015).. In 2015, he choked in critical Game 4 and played poorly.. And let me know when Durant let's a role player double his scoring average and win FMVP.

2-1 isn't as bad as 3-1, but when you do it TWICE, it's worse..

So yeah - Lebron has always been a choker and always will be - remember, 2011 was the GOAT choke because he was scared, he quit, and his performance was all-time bad for a supposed top 10 all-time player.





Let me know when Durant takes a team with Mo Williams as its second best player to a 66 win record in 2009


Durant could in such a weak conference.. Also, Lebron's 2009 cast was solid - the 2009 supporting cast added enough production on top of Lebron's 28/8/7 to win 66 games in 2009.. Contrastingly, Jordan's supporting cast only enough on top of his 33/8/8 to win 47 games in 1989..

The 19-win advantage despite Lebron's inferior production indicates a better supporting cast, and probably inferior competition as well... But not brand of basketball - we know Jordan's brand of basketball was better because his brand was more successful in the playoffs..

Jordan's 6th seeded Bulls beat higher seeds in every round and took the champs to 6 games in ECF, while Lebron's heavily-favored 1 seed saw their brand of basketball exposed by the Magic.
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[DMAVS41]

Russell Westbrook's lack of off ball game and reliance on heavy ball domination reduces the effectiveness of his teammates and is not conductive of winning basketball

And yet the beat a great Spurs team and if Durant doesn't choke in game 6...they beat the Warriors.

Russ is hardly the perfect player, but he's a legit superstar and is a great player.

[kamil]

LeBron just surpassed Jordan all-time


So OP is saying both Durant and LeBron will be ahead of Jordan? :lol

1 legitimate championship from LeBron* doesnt make him top 3 or even top 5.

Relax son.

[warriorfan]

2009 Cavaliers were a very solid team. They were much like the Warrior teams of today with lots of solid role players at multiple positions.

[Dray n Klay]

2009 Cavaliers were a very solid team. They were much like the Warrior teams of today with lots of solid role players at multiple positions.

Did they have 3 all-NBA players and/or all-stars?




The entire Warriors starting lineup are stars, except maybe Curry who I admit is a role-player

[ScalsFan21]

Did you read the OP?... Durant will have an extra 3-4 minutes PER GAME to hold the rock... :banana:

And he will FINALLY play within an elite brand of basketball and system - it's Durant's world now - what a genius of a move by him.

He's finally evened up the playing field by team-hopping like Lebron did, so he will blow Lebron away now that it's an even playing field



I disagree - the 1983 Sixers, and also the 80's Lakers and Celtics had equal or greater talent.

Also, Lebron's 2011 Heat team was expected to win "not 5, not 6, not 7"... Don't forget that Wade was scoring champ and Bosh was 24/12 - both were top 5 PER and arguably the best SG and PF in the league.. Then they added Ray Allen as 4th option.

It's not an even playing field dude. It's just not.

First off you just exaggerated by calling Bosh a 24-12 guy. He never averaged 11 full boards in any season. If you didn't have a trend of shaving tenths and other things to bolster arguments I wouldn't nitpick this, but you do.

But back to the main point, if Durant is equal to LeBron and both "team-hopped" to get where they are... you still need to factor in who they're working with. LeBron went back home to play with a guy who was universally considered a 1-way player whose only above-average skill was scoring, and of course made a questionable LeGM decision to bring in Love for Wiggins, which given his age was an understandable snafu. Still, the team Bron has to work with doesn't compare to the squad Durant just lost a 3-1 lead to and then jumped to, which includes:

- a back to back MVP (UMVP), a guy who was worthy of FMVP last year, let a 73-win behemoth this year, set the all-time 3 point record in a season in back to back seasons and is an undisputed top 2 player in the world, with many still claiming that when healthy he's better than LeBron.

- a two-way beast perfectly built for the system who is a top 10 shooter of all-time with strong defense and like the back-to-back MVP, an unwavering team-first mentality.

- the most versatile player in the NBA, back to back DPOY runner-up, capable scorer and top 10 player in the entire league who eats Love alive as an all-around player.

- former FMVP and lockdown wing Iggy who will take the pressure off Durant because he won't be able to contain LeBron, who holds an extreme mental edge over him, hence 4-17 and the emptiest 30 PPG in the '12 Finals that you could ever imagine.

What LeBron had to work with in reality in Miami (dealing with injuries to his 2 all-star teammates in each of the last 3 seasons there that kept Bosh out of the lineup and hobbled Wade considerably) and now back in Cleveland does not begin to approach what Durant has to work with now, and you know it. You could argue all day that it's "LeBron's fault" because he essentially built the roster or whatever, but the fact is the #2-12 guys on Cleveland PALE in comparison the the #3-12 guys on GS plus Curry, as KD isn't even the best player on his new team.

It isn't even CLOSE. From a basketball standpoint, this is far from a level playing field. I'm not saying LeBron can't win, but the reason you're so confident that he won't is because you know that to be true.

[ScalsFan21]

2-1 isn't as bad as 3-1, but when you do it TWICE, it's worse.

So even though teams blow 2-1 leads every single season, and 3-1 leads have almost never been blown in NBA history, it's somehow worse to lose a 2-1 lead twice, especially with how little Bron had to work with in '15? It was a miracle he had them in that position.

Fun fact, the 2nd GOAT Bron has never lost a series in which he has led by 2 games. Closed the deal every time he reached 2-0 or 3-1. It's not a long list of guys who have played as many playoff games as Bron has who could say the same.

[warriorfan]

It's not an even playing field dude. It's just not.

First off you just exaggerated by calling Bosh a 24-12 guy. He never averaged 11 full boards in any season. If you didn't have a trend of shaving tenths and other things to bolster arguments I wouldn't nitpick this, but you do.

But back to the main point, if Durant is equal to LeBron and both "team-hopped" to get where they are... you still need to factor in who they're working with. LeBron went back home to play with a guy who was universally considered a 1-way player whose only above-average skill was scoring, and of course made a questionable LeGM decision to bring in Love for Wiggins, which given his age was an understandable snafu. Still, the team Bron has to work with doesn't compare to the squad Durant just lost a 3-1 lead to and then jumped to, which includes:

- a back to back MVP (UMVP), a guy who was worthy of FMVP last year, let a 73-win behemoth this year, set the all-time 3 point record in a season in back to back seasons and is an undisputed top 2 player in the world, with many still claiming that when healthy he's better than LeBron.

- a two-way beast perfectly built for the system who is a top 10 shooter of all-time with strong defense and like the back-to-back MVP, an unwavering team-first mentality.

- the most versatile player in the NBA, back to back DPOY runner-up, capable scorer and top 10 player in the entire league who eats Love alive as an all-around player.

- former FMVP and lockdown wing Iggy who will take the pressure off Durant because he won't be able to contain LeBron, who holds an extreme mental edge over him, hence 4-17 and the emptiest 30 PPG in the '12 Finals that you could ever imagine.

What LeBron had to work with in reality in Miami (dealing with injuries to his 2 all-star teammates in each of the last 3 seasons there that kept Bosh out of the lineup and hobbled Wade considerably) and now back in Cleveland does not begin to approach what Durant has to work with now, and you know it. You could argue all day that it's "LeBron's fault" because he essentially built the roster or whatever, but the fact is the #2-12 guys on Cleveland PALE in comparison the the #3-12 guys on GS plus Curry, as KD isn't even the best player on his new team.

It isn't even CLOSE. From a basketball standpoint, this is far from a level playing field. I'm not saying LeBron can't win, but the reason you're so confident that he won't is because you know that to be true.

In 2010 before the collusion, Bosh averaged 10.5 rebounds Per 36 minutes (he played exactly 36 minutes a game)

That is an elite rebounder

[ScalsFan21]

In 2010 before the collusion, Bosh averaged 11.5 rebounds Per 36 minutes (he played exactly 36 minutes a game)

That is an elite rebounder

I'm not disputing that Chris Bosh has had some excellent rebounding years. I don't even think it's a major point. But this isn't the first time I've seen 3ball make mysterious minor tweaks to what actually happened on the court for seemingly no reason.

[warriorfan]

I'm not disputing that Chris Bosh has had some excellent rebounding years. I don't even think it's a major point. But this isn't the first time I've seen 3ball make mysterious minor tweaks to what actually happened on the court for seemingly no reason.

Perhaps, but rounding up 11.5 as 12 gets done by lots of posters around here. It's not that big of a deal. If it was 11.2 or even 11.4 then there is more room to gripe in my opinion. Rounding from 11.5 to 12 seems pretty understandable.

[Spurs m8]

Vulture Kerr gets another pass in an empty career.

He's like James Jones... But ten times worse

[ScalsFan21]

Perhaps, but rounding up 11.5 as 12 gets done by lots of posters around here. It's not that big of a deal. If it was 11.2 or even 11.4 then there is more room to gripe in my opinion. Rounding from 11.5 to 12 seems pretty understandable.

I mean looking at it now, for the '09-10 season Bosh averaged 10.8 per 36. Unless you're specifically referring to the 2010 portion of that season but I mean... if that's what 3ball was referring to he should've been more specific. :lol

[bigkingsfan]

So he's going to take all of Draymond touches too. :roll:

[Young X]

They will have 3 top 10 players...unbelievable.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

Lebron's 2016 is better than anything jordan ever did.


:rolleyes:

Jordan's 36/7/8 in 1991-1993 Finals > Lebron's 30/11/9 because he averaged 16 more points than Pippen and made all the game-winning plays, while Lebron averaged only 2 more points than Kyrie while Kyrie made the game-winning plays..

Oh, and that's 3 goat-level Finals to Lebron's 1..





Lebron led miraculous comeback, which Jordan never did


Lebron going 7 games doesn't make him MORE dominant - it makes him less dominant.

Lebron averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE series like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was simply much more dominant.





Lebrons 3 championships are already against better teams than jordan ever faced


The team with the best regular season record FREQUENTLY loses in the playoffs, so regular season records don't measure all-time greatness.. The Warriors were 15-9 in these playoffs and would've lost to many of Jordan's Finals opponents.

Regarding the Spurs - if Jordan's Bulls played in the 2000's, no one would ever heard of the Spurs - they would be ringless like the Jazz, who swept Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs in 1998 ECSF (those Spurs won 56 games) and then swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in ECF.





So durant would just be following in the footsteps of your idol, ]needing to assemble stacked teams to beat the bad boy pistons


In 1989, the 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8.. So without Jordan, that roster was a LOTTERY roster and headed nowhere going into the 1990 season - but WITH Jordan, they were ECF veterans and about to begin a 6-peat dynasty.

Essentially, Jordan led that same lottery roster from 1989 to a 3-peat beginning in 1991 - that's the goat impact on a lottery team.





to beat the future GOAT Lebron


Jordan won his last ring only 6 years before Lebron entered the league and both guys played against many of the same players - since BOTH guys played in the modern era, we can use rings and fmvps to determine the goat..

Infact - Shaq, Kobe, Duncan and Garnett are the best players Lebron ever played against - and they were all-stars in 1998 when Jordan dominated them more than Lebron ever has (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412835), while winning all the awards over them (MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, championship).

Other players also finished behind Jordan in 1998, including Grant Hill, Penny, Drexler, Payton, Pippen, David Robinson, Hakeem, and more - these guys are obviously equal or greater than today's best.. So it's clear that both Jordan and Lebron played in the modern era, which means we can use rings and fmvp's to determine the goat.. that means mj is the goat..

[livinglegend]

Perhaps, but rounding up 11.5 as 12 gets done by lots of posters around here. It's not that big of a deal. If it was 11.2 or even 11.4 then there is more room to gripe in my opinion. Rounding from 11.5 to 12 seems pretty understandable.
:facepalm
He rounded up 10.8 to 12 retard.

[aj1987]

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Time of Possession Regular Season


62. YRussell Westbrook. 8.1 minutes
26.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.6 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season



Time of Possession Playoffs


61. YRussell Westbrook. 9.5 minutes
14.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.5 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1



Durant will have an extra 3-4 minutes PER GAME to hold the rock...

And he will FINALLY play within an elite brand of basketball and system - it's Durant's world now boys - what a genius of a move by him.

He's finally evened up the playing field by team-hopping like Lebron did, so he will blow Lebron away now that it's an even playing field
This is why you'll NEVER understand basketball outside your retarded stats.

If Curry's ToP is 5.5, then that means someone else is handling the ball the rest of the time. So, KD's going to cut into someone else's ToP. Minutes magically don't appear out of thin air, 0ball.

[3ball]

If Curry's ToP is 5.5, then that means someone else is handling the ball the rest of the time. So, KD's going to cut into someone else's ToP. Minutes magically don't appear out of thin air, 0ball.


Right - durant is the best player so it's good that he'll cut into Bogut or Klay's minutes.

Klay's best fit is a spot-up shooting role - that's his strength - it's more optimal if he sticks to his strength rather than handle the rock, which Durant is much better at





This is why you'll NEVER understand basketball outside your retarded stats.


I played D1 for 2 schools.. What level did you play at?

[TheWinningFam]

Right - durant is the best player so it's good that he'll cut into Bogut or Klay's minutes.

Klay is really just a spot-up shooter - it's more optimal if he sticks to that, rather than handle the rock.



I played D1 for 2 schools.. What level did you play at?
You mean you were the water/laundry boy for 2 d1 schools?

[3ball]

:facepalm
He rounded up 10.8 to 12 retard.


Did that immaterial oversight change the point being made (that Bosh was arguably the best PF in 2010, while Wade was arguably the best SG - imagine if Durant teamed up with arguably the best guard and PF - oh wait, he just did... :banana: )

[KiiiiNG]

Durant's the new Jordan and the Warriors are the new Bulls.

MEGA-DYNASTY

[3ball]

Durant's the new Jordan and the Warriors are the new Bulls.

MEGA-DYNASTY


Will the Warriors need Durant to lead the team in scoring for every series of his career by an average margin of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan?

Of course not - Durant has many series where he wasn't his team's scoring leader and that won't change on the Warriors.. Infact, NO all-time great led their team in scoring for every series of their careers, let alone by 15 ppg like Jordan.

Jordan also led the Bulls in passing - he led the Bulls in assist percentage for both (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) 3-peats, so he assisted on the highest proportion of teammate FG's.. Ultimately, Jordan's goat scoring load, team-leading passing, and best defense ever at his position is the goat performance and biggest load ever carried - the Warriors won't need Durant to do that.. :confusedshrug
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[Megabox!]

If lebron somehow beats this team it will be better than anything jordan has ever accomplished, No discussion.
He already did, he came back from a 3-1 deficit and beat a team with the best record in NBA history :bowdown: beating the Warriors next year officially makes him GOAT

[orange_chicken]

I agree.


Keep dreaming bud - Lebron needed a miracle to win this year, even though Dray missed the key game and Curry/Bogut/Iggy were injured.

See, you don't get it - Durant has always been on Lebron's level, but he never team-hopped like Lebron, so the playing field was never even.. Now the playing field is even, and Durant will blow Lebron away

[livinglegend]

Did that immaterial oversight change the point being made (that Bosh was arguably the best PF in 2010, while Wade was arguably the best SG - imagine if Durant teamed up with arguably the best guard and PF - oh wait, he just did... :banana: )

If it didn't change anything, why did you lie about it? :oldlol:

NEXT

[3ball]

You mean you were the water/laundry boy for 2 d1 schools?


We had managers who did that.. I understand why you'd be jealous though - being a baller is a great existence, physical capability and mental feeling.

[plowking]

Funny how OP called Bron a ball dominant player, with an inefficient and not optimal style for winning, when he isn't close to the top of that list in terms of time on the ball. :oldlol:

[3ball]

He already did, he came back from a 3-1 deficit


Lebron going 7 games doesn't make him MORE dominant - it makes him less dominant.

Lebron averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.. But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE series like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was simply much more dominant.





beat a team with the best record in NBA history


The team with the best regular season record FREQUENTLY loses in the playoffs, so regular season records don't measure all-time greatness.. The Warriors were 15-9 in these playoffs and would've lost to many of Jordan's Finals opponents.

Regarding the Spurs - if Jordan's Bulls played in the 2000's, no one would ever heard of the Spurs - they would be ringless like the Jazz, who swept Duncan/Robinson/Popovich's Spurs in 1998 ECSF (those Spurs won 56 games) and then swept Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in ECF.

[3ball]

Funny how OP called Bron a ball dominant player, when he isn't close to the top of that list in terms of time on the ball.


You're lying as usual.

Lebron was 11th in the 2016 playoffs, which was the highest among non-point guards (along with Harden), and higher than various starting PG's including Curry, Dragic and Tony Parker.. So Lebron has a point-guard level of ball-domination - every year, he and Harden are the highest among non-point guards and higher than many starting PG's.

More importantly - in 2016 Finals, his time of possession was the highest of anyone at 7.5 minutes.. And in 2015 Finals, it was a ridiculous 12.0 minutes per game, or 50% higher than the RS leader John Wall's 8.2 minutes:

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4

[SouBeachTalents]

We had managers who did that.. I understand why you'd be jealous though - being a baller is a great existence, physical capability and mental feeling.

So how did you go from a D1 player living a great existence to copy & pasting the same arguments on a message board literally thousands of times every day?

[aj1987]

Right - durant is the best player so it's good that he'll cut into Bogut or Klay's minutes.

Klay's best fit is a spot-up shooting role - that's his strength - it's more optimal if he sticks to his strength rather than handle the rock, which Durant is much better at
Kay's ToP is 1.6 MPG. Boguts ToP is 1 MPG. Not to mention that Bogut is not even with the Warriors anymore. Dumbass.

I still don't see where KD's getting "3-4 minutes" on top of his 3.5 minutes he averaged with OKC. That's 6.5 MPG - 7.5 MPG. Dumbass.


I played D1 for 2 schools.. What level did you play at?
I played for 2 NBA teams.

Making shit up is so easy.

BTW, playing NCAA 2k =/= playing basketball IRL.

[pauk]

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Time of Possession Regular Season


62. YRussell Westbrook. 8.1 minutes
26.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.6 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season



Time of Possession Playoffs


61. YRussell Westbrook. 9.5 minutes
14.Y Stephen MCurryMI 5.5 minutes

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/possessions/?sort=TIME_OF_POSS&dir=1



Durant will have an extra 3-4 minutes PER GAME to hold the rock...

And he will FINALLY play within an elite brand of basketball and system - it's Durant's world now boys - what a genius of a move by him.

He's finally evened up the playing field by team-hopping like Lebron did, so he will blow Lebron away now that it's an even playing field



http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dr-evil-right.gif

As even as if Bird joined Showtime Lakers in the 80s... and Lebron/Cavs was 80s Jordan/Bulls...

If Warriors dont win a championship next year Durant should just quit playing basketball.

[3ball]

So how did you go from a D1 player living a great existence to copy & pasting the same arguments on a message board literally thousands of times every day?


http://strangebeaver.com/gallery/albums/uploads/memes/mad/U_MAD_obama.JPG

[3ball]

I still don't see where KD's getting "3-4 minutes" on top of his 3.5 minutes he averaged with OKC. That's 6.5 MPG - 7.5 MPG. Dumbass.


I'm not saying he'll use the extra 3-4 minutes - but the minutes are there, since his new PG (Curry) holds the ball for 3-4 minutes less than his old PG (Westbrook).

[SouBeachTalents]

http://strangebeaver.com/gallery/albums/uploads/memes/mad/U_MAD_obama.JPG

Lol, you were probably much madder after this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg

[LeBird]

Of all the names a Jordan stan could pick, why would you pick 3ball? Like, Jordan wasn't even that great/known for them. :lol

[3ball]

why would you pick 3ball


the irony

and the knowledge that the 3ball has diluted the skill sets of today's NBA players.

that's why it's so rare for players to win rings with their original team - their lack of fundamentals prevent them from fostering a Spurs-like brand of basketball, where a super-team of talent isn't necessary to play championship basketball.

[LeBird]

the irony

and the knowledge that the 3ball has diluted the skill sets of today's NBA players.

that's why it's so rare for players to win rings with their original team - their lack of fundamentals prevent them from fostering a Spurs-like brand of basketball, where a super-team of talent isn't necessary to play championship basketball.

How is shooting the toughest shot well making the league less skilled? You're stupid son.

And people here know you as a one-issue guy; might as well have chosen a name associated to your idol.

Shits gonna be rough for you next season and beyond. People talking about Curry or LeBron being better than Jordan for years.

[Ben Simmons]

the irony

and the knowledge that the 3ball has diluted the skill sets of today's NBA players.

that's why it's so rare for players to win rings with their original team - their lack of fundamentals prevent them from fostering a Spurs-like brand of basketball, where a super-team of talent isn't necessary to play championship basketball.
So why did Jordan have superteams in his championship runs?

[aj1987]

I'm not saying he'll use the extra 3-4 minutes - but the minutes are there, since his new PG (Curry) holds the ball for 3-4 minutes less than his old PG (Westbrook).
:facepalm :facepalm

Where is he getting the extra 3-4 minutes from, dumbass? If Curry isn't eating them up, someone else is. You said Klay and Bogut, but they use up a combined 2.5 MPG. The only way KD gets extra ToP is, if he ball hogs like Ordan.

[3ball]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClYUvAdUYAAiRj9.jpg



Do you think I would trade Jordan's 6 more points on much better efficiency for Lebron's 1 more assist and 4 more defensive rebounds? (I'm comparing Jordan's 36/7/8 in 91-93 Finals to Lebron's 30/11/9 in 2016 Finals)

Obviously, I wouldn't make that trade because then Jordan wouldn't be 6/6 - the Bulls needed Jordan to average 16 more points than Pippen and make all the game-winning plays, while Lebron averaged only 2 more points than Kyrie while Kyrie made the game-winning plays.

Jordan's 6 more points on better efficiency requires more energy and controls the game better than Lebron's defensive rebounds (assists are basically cancelled out due to Lebron averaging TWO more turnovers).





you were probably much madder after this


Lebron needed a 7th game because he only averaged 24 ppg and 6 turnovers thru 4 games (3-1 deficit), and then came back by averaging 36 ppg in the final 3 games.

But if he averaged 36 ppg for the ENTIRE series like Jordan did in 1991-1993 Finals, then he wouldn't need a 7th game... MJ was simply much more consistently dominant.

[ScalsFan21]

As even as if Bird joined Showtime Lakers in the 80s... and Lebron/Cavs was 80s Jordan/Bulls...

If Warriors dont win a championship next year Durant should just quit playing basketball.

It's truly maniacal that anyone would infer that what Durant and LeBron are on anything resembling a level playing field as it pertains to basketball and their chances of winning. That's one of the craziest things I've read on ISH, but of course I know our boy Threebs doesn't actually mean it and just wants to marginalize the sole player in Michael's stratosphere in any way possible.

Seems like he just likes to randomly intersperse crazy stuff between other somewhat logical arguments to get a rise. :confusedshrug: Jordan WAS that good - 3ball is just extremely overly generous to him about the size of the gap between them.

[3ball]

So why did Jordan have superteams in his championship runs?
It's common knowledge that Jordan didn't have a super-team during the 1st three-peat, so you sound like a fool saying something that people know isn't true

there's a reason Jordan needed to achieve the best stats ever during that 1st three-peat - it's because he was 3-peating without a super-team

[3ball]

:facepalm :facepalm

Where is he getting the extra 3-4 minutes from, dumbass?


Tbh, Dray is probably the guy whose offensive game will take a step back.

The Warriors won't need him to handle the rock as much with Durant there.

Obviously, replacing Dray's ballhandling with Durant's makes the Warriors BETTER, especially considering Dray's strength is defense, and now he can focus more on rebounding





Ballhog like Jordan


Jordan shot a lot, but he was never a ball-stopper, which is why he fostered a better brand of basketball than Lebron.

Can you imagine Lebron scoring 20-30% MORE than he currently does WITHOUT being the ball-stopper he currently is?... wowsers - he'd be amazing.. but tbh, he'd need a goat midrange shot like Jordan to score that many points QUICKLY ya dig

[LeBird]

Jordan shot a lot, but he was never a ball-stopper, which is why he fostered a better brand of basketball than Lebron.


This guy doesn't even know Jordan's history.

- #1 career usage rate in NBA history belongs to Jordan
- The triangle was implemented in Chicago because Jordan was a ballhog and wouldn't pass
- Tex Winter to Jordan: "There's no "I" in team!"; Jordan replies: "But there is in WIN"

"better brand of basketball"

:lol

[aj1987]

Tbh, Dray is probably the guy whose offensive game will take a step back.

The Warriors won't need him to handle the rock as much with Durant there.

Obviously, replacing Dray's ballhandling with Durant's makes the Warriors BETTER, especially considering Dray's strength is defense, and now he can focus more on rebounding
Hold the L and move on, loser. You're just posting idiotic shit now. The player with the highest ToP on the Warriors is Curry with 5.5 MPG. You're saying that KD would come in and average 6.5 MPG to 7.5 MPG, surpassing that for Curry, while taking away ToP from Green, who's a significantly better playmaker than KD? :facepalm :facepalm

How would that make them a better team? It'd basically be KD/Curry with the ball the rest standing around, doing literally nothing.




Ordan shot a lot, but he was a ball-stopper, which is why he fostered a worse brand of basketball than Lebron.

Can you imagine Lebron scoring 20-30% MORE than he currently does WITH being the ball-stopper he currently is not?... wowsers - he'd be shitty.. but tbh, he'd need a woat midrange shot like Ordan to score that many points QUICKLY ya dig
Agreed.

BTW, did you ever even touch a basketball in your life?

[Gileraracer]

Damn that's gonna be Showtime Warriors. 82-0 incoming

[ArbitraryWater]

Perhaps, but rounding up 11.5 as 12 gets done by lots of posters around here. It's not that big of a deal. If it was 11.2 or even 11.4 then there is more room to gripe in my opinion. Rounding from 11.5 to 12 seems pretty understandable.

right, but the problem is he never averaged 11.5 rebounds you moron :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

so OP, every time someone questions MJ, you will get back to the same arbitrary 'um how much was the ppg drop off between _ and his second option? With MJ it was 14.5 pppg!' like this was ever something anyone looked at? :lol