FBI: no criminal charges against Clinton

[FillJackson]

Criticism of her and the culture at the State Department, but "our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/05/fbi-director-comeys-full-remarks-on-clinton-email-probe/
news.google.com/news/ampviewer

[highwhey]

Noice

[DonDadda59]

How much money was wasted on this wild goose chase? I know the 107th Benghazi wild goose chase that produced jack shit ran up a tab of $7 million (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/two-years-7-million-800-pages-later-gop-benghazi-report-lands-with-a-thud/).

[TheMan]

Now the reactionary forces in our nation will be up in arms about how "rigged the system" is :lol yet they didn't say a goddam word when Dick Cheney was cleared of outting a CIA agent and potentially putting dozens of intelligence officials lives at risk. That was waaay worse than this BS, CIA agents were probably killed because Cheney wanted to embarrass Wilson and his wife.

The rightwing struck out with Benghazi and now this phony scandal...

Hilldawg about to bitchslap Drumpf


Gonna get ugly real fast for Trump and his goon followers now that she's past this shit and can hone in on them :applause:

[DukeDelonte13]

what a shocker. /s.

[UK2K]

How much money was wasted on this wild goose chase? I know the 107th Benghazi wild goose chase that produced jack shit ran up a tab of $7 million (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/two-years-7-million-800-pages-later-gop-benghazi-report-lands-with-a-thud/).

NOW you care about how government money is spent??

What a coincidence.


The Department of Defense has spent $66 billion since 2002 rebuilding Afghanistan. But amazingly, it can't account for $45 billion of that money. That's billion with a B.

http://factually.gizmodo.com/the-pentagon-cant-account-for-45-billion-it-spent-in-a-1694873401

Caring about $7 million dollars lol good one. :lol

Posted in the other thread, but since we needed a new one:


The question is....

When I was overseas, if I took information emailed TO our COC tent, whether it contained classified information or not (let's say, 100 or so of them did), forwarded those emails TO my Hotmail account, and then forwarded that email from my Hotmail account to some commander back at Leatherneck...

Would I be charged or not?

Simple question. With a simple answer.

[UK2K]

"I’m confident that this process will prove that I never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified." - Killary Clinton

Mr. Comey, your response?


"From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time; and eight contained confidential information at the time.

The results of the test say, that was a lie.

She didn't intentionally lie, I guess.


"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of the classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

She accidentally was extremely careless.

[Awesomedoers]

While Hillary did lie, this was trump or anyone who didn't want Clinton to become president's last chance for her to potentially lose. I guess Hillary will be our next president then. Btw James Comey is a republican so its not like "the system is rigged" .

[Nanners]

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

[Hotlantadude81]

I wish that China would call America's debt and let the ship sink. It's over.

[FillJackson]

I wish that China would call America's debt and let the ship sink. It's over.

That wouldn't affect us at all because that's not how it works. When china's economy slowed they did dump a chunk of their debt. Nobody noticed.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-18/china-s-selling-tons-of-u-s-debt-americans-couldn-t-care-less-

[9erempiree]

Sad day.

Oue beloved FBI cannot be trusted.

[Patrick Chewing]

While Hillary did lie, this was trump or anyone who didn't want Clinton to become president's last chance for her to potentially lose. I guess Hillary will be our next president then. Btw James Comey is a republican so its not like "the system is rigged" .


His party affiliation means nothing as most Republicans are just the sheep for Democrats these past couple of years.

The "rigged" part is true if the Director goes on National Television and says, (perhaps not realizing what he was saying) that if this was anyone else besides Hillary Clinton, that they would probably be facing prosecution.

Their wealth, power, and influence should scare each and every American.

[ArbitraryWater]

wow


sad

[UK2K]

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."

I noticed that as well...

More or less he said 'Clinton did it, and it's cool, but in the future, now you all know if you do what she did, we're charging you.'

[FillJackson]

His party affiliation means nothing as most Republicans are just the sheep for Democrats these past couple of years.

The "rigged" part is true if the Director goes on National Television and says, (perhaps not realizing what he was saying) that if this was anyone else besides Hillary Clinton, that they would probably be facing prosecution.

Their wealth, power, and influence should scare each and every American.
It was many other people than just Hillary Clinton. Double figures. They were at State, DOD, CIA, NSC and others. All on the emal threads on nonsecure systems and none are being prosecuted. James Comey has earned his great reputation by being willing to quit if political pressure was put on him

[Patrick Chewing]

It was many other people than just Hillary Clinton. Double figures. They were at State, DOD, CIA, NSC and others. All on the emal threads on nonsecure systems and none are being prosecuted. James Comey has earned his great reputation by being willing to quit if political pressure was put on him


So you admit that many people, including your personal hero, got away with it??

[FillJackson]

So you admit that many people, including your personal hero, got away with it??
Nope.
A. policians i support do not equal my heros.
B. I admit nothing of the sort. I admit what she and the others did, did not rise to the level of crimes. This why I thought the IG report would be the peak of this.

She did not get away with crimes, the FBI determined she did not commit them.

[Patrick Chewing]

She did not get away with crimes, the FBI determined she did not commit them.


Quite comical. The Director even said that she compromised National Security. Yet she didn't break the law?


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/Babich4000/hilldog_zpsyq8wt56n.png

[LJJ]

The FBI's findings clearly show extreme and dangerous incompetence in regards to Clinton's handling classified information. That's the only truly relevant thing here.

That she wasn't being a dangerous leaker of state secrets on purpose barely matters. This is a terrible look on Clinton. She looks like an idiot.

[UK2K]

She had classified material, material MARKED AS CLASSIFIED, in her bathroom email and not on a secured server.

It seems that alone is evidence enough for 'removing classified materials'. Since, they were on a secure server, and now they're not. They were removed from the classified server and placed in an unsecured server. They didn't walk there on their own.

I also find it hard to believe keeping classified documents on an unsecured bathroom server isn't prejudicial to the safety of the United States but... whatever.

But she's Clinton. Nobody ever assumed she'd be charged. She's in too deep.

[UK2K]

The FBI's findings clearly show extreme and dangerous incompetence in regards to Clinton's handling classified information. That's the only truly relevant thing here.

That she wasn't being a dangerous leaker of state secrets on purpose barely matters. This is a terrible look on Clinton. She looks like an idiot.

3/4 of Democrats said they wanted her to run even if she was indicted...

It doesn't matter to them.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.gyazo.com/b23b7aa30a5402831b85ee0634b9549d.png

[9erempiree]

We should look to overhaul our FBI.

[Dresta]

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
Translation: "Hilary Clinton is above the law"

[DukeDelonte13]

Translation: "Hilary Clinton is above the law"


Translation: Those people aren't prosecuted criminally.


keep that tinfoil hat on tight. I bet her indictment papers are in the same file as Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

[UK2K]

Translation: "Hilary Clinton is above the law"

If I did what she did, I'd be in jail right now.

Fact.

[~primetime~]

If I did what she did, I'd be in jail right now.

Fact.
that is not a fact

did you really expect her to go to prison? :rolleyes:

[UK2K]

https://s31.postimg.org/t1m2nkonv/13528860_511654579032520_6326151341474690562_n.jpg

That's my defense next time:

I didn't mean...

Think I'll walk? Or do I not have enough status? Do I vote for the right people, or nah?

[~primetime~]

What do you think her punishment should be UK2K? Prison time?

[TheMan]

What do you think her punishment should be UK2K? Prison time?
He doesn't give a shit about that, it's all about partisan politics with that hack, all he wanted is some sort of indictment so she can drop out and maybe be able to win the GE on Nov.

Pure politics with these rightwing turds.

[UK2K]

What do you think her punishment should be UK2K? Prison time?
Resignation, for starters.

Per 18 US Code 793


(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense,
That would be Killary


(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed,
She removed it from it's proper place... to her unsecured server, EVEN IF IT WAS ON ACCIDENT.


or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Pretty sure she knew she wasn't using a government email


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Not my place to say, but the law is pretty clearly written for someone to start throwing out numbers.

[UK2K]

He doesn't give a shit about that, it's all about partisan politics with that hack, all he wanted is some sort of indictment so she can drop out and maybe be able to win the GE on Nov.

Pure politics with these rightwing turds.

So you're saying she didn't have classified information on her unsecured server, correct?

Cause if she did, she broke 18 US Code 793.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

So if she did NOT have classified information on her unsecured server, then she's good.

So the question is, did she?

Well, did she?

[UK2K]

that is not a fact

did you really expect her to go to prison? :rolleyes:

It is a fact.

You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

If I took classified information, forwarded it to personal hotmail account, and then forwarded it on from my personal email account to the DOD, I'd be in prison. Fact.

If you say that's not against the law, I'm going to slap the shit out of you.

[UK2K]

Dan Bongino ‏@dbongino 1h1 hour ago
An unimpeachable source told me the Clinton team knew the server was hacked. #TheFixIsIn #TooBigToJail https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/1095651857194241/

[FillJackson]

Quite comical. The Director even said that she compromised National Security. Yet she didn't break the law?
Dude are you kidding.

Utter nonsense. James Comey did not say that. The link I posted was his full statement. You can read it

Your rebuttal is Ben ****ing Shapiro saying Comey is wrong.

Read his statement, he mentions that no one has ever been prosecuted in cases most similar to this.

[highwhey]

they can't prove intent

[FillJackson]

She had classified material, material MARKED AS CLASSIFIED, in her bathroom email and not on a secured server.

It seems that alone is evidence enough for 'removing classified materials'. Since, they were on a secure server, and now they're not. They were removed from the classified server and placed in an unsecured server. They didn't walk there on their own.

I also find it hard to believe keeping classified documents on an unsecured bathroom server isn't prejudicial to the safety of the United States but... whatever.

But she's Clinton. Nobody ever assumed she'd be charged. She's in too deep.nope and nope and nope.
Read Comey's statement. there was no emails marked classified.

[9erempiree]

It's time to look into overhauling our FBI.

They messed up with the Orlando shooter and they are messing up again.

[UK2K]

nope and nope and nope.
Read Comey's statement. there was no emails marked classified.

Hey!

Yes there were. Unless Comey is lying.


"From the group of 30,000 emails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 emails in 52 email chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was top secret at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained secret information at the time; and eight contained confidential information at the time. That's the lowest level of classification."

Spin it! Spin awaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy.....

Or, did Killary remove the markings? That makes them unclassified I guess.

Maybe all 110 of those emails, someone forgot to mark them?

She lied, and got caught. Not the worst she's done but...

[DonDadda59]

It's time to look into overhauling our FBI.

They messed up with the Orlando shooter and they are messing up again.

https://media.riffsy.com/images/5b872ee791c8822bf37812e3a3847266/raw

[FillJackson]

So it's been known for months that on the information that was public that none of those emails would be cause for criminal charges. So this result is not surprising, the only question was there something more that the FBI had.

I suspected they did not based on

A. So much of these emails/investigation leaked, I figured if they had something truly damaging they would have leaked that.

B. So much of these leaks were intentionally deceptive and intended to cause maximum damage. Remember "she was emailing about about Ambassador Steven's whereabout before he died!!!!!!" Yeah, way before he died and like a year before he became ambassador. Oh and Chris Steven's trip was announced in the press.

C. How Chuck Grassley was responding. The Senate Intelligence Committee was briefed on parts of this investigation and a lot of leaks came from it. However about a month ago Grassley was pretty much begging the FBI to leak what they had.......which led me to think what he had was nothing.

My opinion was also based on analysis like this [QUOTE]Furthermore,

[DonDadda59]

The meltdowns in here have me worried some of our conservative brethren might do something drastic.

Bet you wish you could go back in time and vote Kasich now.

You live, you learn.

[FillJackson]

Hey!

Yes there were. Unless Comey is lying.



Spin it! Spin awaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy.....

Or, did Killary remove the markings? That makes them unclassified I guess.

Maybe all 110 of those emails, someone forgot to mark them?

She lied, and got caught. Not the worst she's done but...
You're terrible at this. Comey is not lying. You simply are not hearing or understand what he is saying. There were no markings on the emails. Not removed by Hillary or not removed by the folks who started the emails. A big reason, nobody is going to be charged with a crime.

You seem to be thinking of emails as formal documents which they sometimes are. However, if you think of them as conversations, you'll get closer to the mark. If I email you about the drone program, that is info classified at the highest level. Even if what I am emailing you a BBC article about a drone strike in Pakistan. I don't have to have a marked documented in front of me for that information to be considered classified. Or if I have a phone call with you or a conversation in the office, that could be about classified matters. Obviously there are no markings on a conversation.

[Patrick Chewing]

The meltdowns in here have me worried some of our conservative brethren might do something drastic.

Bet you wish you could go back in time and vote Kasich now.

You live, you learn.


Are you kidding?? "Crooked Hillary" now has an official ring to it.


Crooked Hillary will gain more traction with the Donald. The country will not stand idle and watch a criminal take the White House.

[DonDadda59]

Are you kidding?? "Crooked Hillary" now has an official ring to it.


Crooked Hillary will gain more traction with the Donald. The country will not stand idle and watch a criminal take the White House.

Sure it will, Chewing. We'll celebrate Drumpf's inauguration together. Just the 2 of us. You'll see. :cheers:





























:(

[UK2K]

You're terrible at this. Comey is not lying. You simply are not hearing or understand what he is saying. There were no markings on the emails. Not removed by Hillary or not removed by the folks who started the emails. A big reason, nobody is going to be charged with a crime.

You seem to be thinking of emails as formal documents which they sometimes are. However, if you think of them as conversations, you'll get closer to the mark. If I email you about the drone program, that is info classified at the highest level. Even if what I am emailing you a BBC article about a drone strike in Pakistan. I don't have to have a marked documented in front of me for that information to be considered classified. Or if I have a phone call with you or a conversation in the office, that could be about classified matters. Obviously there are no markings on a conversation.
Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.

Read what that says to me... straight from the transcript.

Keep spinning cuck.

[ZenMaster]

You're terrible at this. Comey is not lying. You simply are not hearing or understand what he is saying. There were no markings on the emails. Not removed by Hillary or not removed by the folks who started the emails. A big reason, nobody is going to be charged with a crime.

You seem to be thinking of emails as formal documents which they sometimes are. However, if you think of them as conversations, you'll get closer to the mark. If I email you about the drone program, that is info classified at the highest level. Even if what I am emailing you a BBC article about a drone strike in Pakistan. I don't have to have a marked documented in front of me for that information to be considered classified. Or if I have a phone call with you or a conversation in the office, that could be about classified matters. Obviously there are no markings on a conversation.

Fili you mentioned a leak about Chris Stevens coming out purposely to put Hillary in a bad light..
I'd be interested to hear what you, and anyone else, think happened in Benghazi. What was the background of the attack? Why wasn't any help sent?
A guy like you would perhaps call a guy like me a "conspiracy theorist", but I remember reading an article shortly after the attack explaining why it was indeed a cordinated attack and not sprung out of a protest about some silly movie trailer. Over time, the findings of that article have shown to be almost completely true even though it was shot down heavily at the time because it was against the official explanation.
I just watched the movie 13 hours a couple days ago, Michael Bay almost completely steers clear of getting into the politics of the thing, but he does offer one big clue that the CIA still was there to run guns from Libya to Syria, which isn't an uncommon opinion anymore.

[Dresta]

Translation: Those people aren't prosecuted criminally.


keep that tinfoil hat on tight. I bet her indictment papers are in the same file as Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.
What the **** are you talking about? Simple expression of undeniable fact and you're talking about tinfoil hats?

Thanks for proving yourself to be a f*cking idiot (not that it is unusual for you to do so)

[Dresta]

Fili you mentioned a leak about Chris Stevens coming out purposely to put Hillary in a bad light..
I'd be interested to hear what you, and anyone else, think happened in Benghazi. What was the background of the attack? Why wasn't any help sent?
A guy like you would perhaps call a guy like me a "conspiracy theorist", but I remember reading an article shortly after the attack explaining why it was indeed a cordinated attack and not sprung out of a protest about some silly movie trailer. Over time, the findings of that article have shown to be almost completely true even though it was shot down heavily at the time because it was against the official explanation.
I just watched the movie 13 hours a couple days ago, Michael Bay almost completely steers clear of getting into the politics of the thing, but he does offer one big clue that the CIA still was there to run guns from Libya to Syria, which isn't an uncommon opinion anymore.
Yes, through Turkey. It's very, very credible, echoed by many very reputable sources, and entirely consistent with their behaviour in the past.

[UK2K]

Fili you mentioned a leak about Chris Stevens coming out purposely to put Hillary in a bad light..
I'd be interested to hear what you, and anyone else, think happened in Benghazi. What was the background of the attack? Why wasn't any help sent?
A guy like you would perhaps call a guy like me a "conspiracy theorist", but I remember reading an article shortly after the attack explaining why it was indeed a cordinated attack and not sprung out of a protest about some silly movie trailer. Over time, the findings of that article have shown to be almost completely true even though it was shot down heavily at the time because it was against the official explanation.
I just watched the movie 13 hours a couple days ago, Michael Bay almost completely steers clear of getting into the politics of the thing, but he does offer one big clue that the CIA still was there to run guns from Libya to Syria, which isn't an uncommon opinion anymore.
And just like with the White Houses 'we don't know who deleted part of the video', it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find out who gave the order to stand down.

There's a chain of command for a reason. Ask the guys in the plane who told them to stand down. Wasn't them? Then ask their squadron commander. Wasn't him? Then ask the company commander. Wasn't him? Then ask the...

Until you reach the point where someone says 'I gave the standdown order'. Then ask them why.

If you really wanted to, you could figure it out in about a dozen phone calls, because there's only about a dozen people between our operators and the president.

[~primetime~]

It is a fact.

You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

If I took classified information, forwarded it to personal hotmail account, and then forwarded it on from my personal email account to the DOD, I'd be in prison. Fact.

If you say that's not against the law, I'm going to slap the shit out of you.
Just because it's against the law doesn't mean you'd get hard time. It's a white collar crime.

Do you have an example of someone doing prison time for this same offense?

And lol @ slapping anyone on the Internet...I'm going to fck you in the ass k?

[UK2K]

Just because it's against the law doesn't mean you'd get hard time. It's a white collar crime.

Do you have an example of someone doing prison time for this same offense?

And lol @ slapping anyone on the Internet...I'm going to fck you in the ass k?
Bradley Manning comes to mind...

I also said resignation. That's a realistic outcome, and you agree, which is why you didn't mention it.

It's amazing you'll go to these depths of denial to exonerate her. Only the most hardcore leftists would argue what she did was acceptable. The director of the FBI basically said she's a dumbass, in a few more words, and yet you still sit here and argue.

Is Trump awesome? No, I can't sit here and say he's never done a thing wrong in his life. But at the very least when he is wrong, I can admit it.

[~primetime~]

I didn't say anything about it, I just asked you what you wanted as punishment.

I'm not a lefty either.

[FillJackson]

Fili you mentioned a leak about Chris Stevens coming out purposely to put Hillary in a bad light..
I'd be interested to hear what you, and anyone else, think happened in Benghazi. What was the background of the attack? Why wasn't any help sent?
A guy like you would perhaps call a guy like me a "conspiracy theorist", but I remember reading an article shortly after the attack explaining why it was indeed a cordinated attack and not sprung out of a protest about some silly movie trailer. Over time, the findings of that article have shown to be almost completely true even though it was shot down heavily at the time because it was against the official explanation.
I just watched the movie 13 hours a couple days ago, Michael Bay almost completely steers clear of getting into the politics of the thing, but he does offer one big clue that the CIA still was there to run guns from Libya to Syria, which isn't an uncommon opinion anymore.
There was not a street protest that became an attack. But there is evidence the video played a part in the attack. It is true that the same Egyptian satellite channels screaming about the video were widely seen in Benghazi. The video was denounced in mosques that afternoon. People on the streets cited the video to Reuters reporters the next day. (They easily could have conflated events, but this was the talk in Benghazi.) Other folks told reporters that they heard the main suspect in the attack ranted about the video earlier that day.

The attack itself didn't need any more than two hours planning for a group of experienced militants like these were. This outpost didn't have a much security to overcome. The perimeter was defended (like all our diplomatic outposts except maybe actual warzones) by local forces, it this case a militia. This militia did not stand and fight. They were basically threatened by the attackers and told not to be around in an hour. If you have some heavy machine guns and RPGS, it's not much to overrun that compound and set the buildings on fire. It could have been the attack was planned that for that day and it was a complete coincidence it occurred on the same day as all the other attacks on facilities around the world. It could have been planned for the next time the Ambassador was in town. It could have been something they planned months before and already knew about the facility and had the pan ready to go whenever they wanted. I think this is probable. The point is this was a group that was already experienced in fighting together and I think that would be the thing that took the longest time. Once you had that, the rest is not really anything.

It's definitely true that the main reason we were in Benghazi was CIA related not State related. Often CIA takes cover in State activities......if you see an American dude driving around Benghazi, you might have some questions. A State outpost helps with that. Although Chris Stevens personally wanted a presence in Benghazi as well. In the aftermath of the attack it was the CIA who wrote up the talking points for other officials to use. There was back and forth over this language but the idea of a street protest against the video was in the original CIA draft. This could have been completely deceptive or it could be reflecting multiple inputs including open source reports. See the Reuters Report from September 12, 2002 that quotes witness saying it was about the video.

The conspiracy theory that the CIA was in Benghazi running guns was debunked. Rand Paul was a believer in it and raised it in Congress. What the CIA was doing is they were tracking down and buying back MANPADS aka Stinger type missiles. The rebels had gotten access to Ghaddafis arms stores and he had hundreds of these. The CIA was actually engaged in arms reduction not trafficking because a MANPADS can take down a military or a commercial plane, we and other governments are very nervous about them. Why do I think this is true? Because MANPADS were not really seen in the Syrian battlefields in 2011-2014/2015. There are tons of arms analysts observing the weaponry used in the Syrian war. Had hundreds of MANPADS made their way to Syria from Libya, this would be impossible to keep secret.

The scale of the attack meant probably no diplomatic facility would have been able to repel it other than maybe the Baghdad embassy. Military troops on site are not charged with protection of the embassy, they are charged with protection of secrets and their job is burn/destroy anything we don't want to the enemy to capture. This off course, wasn't even an embassy or even a consulate. It was considered a temporary facility, but the point being. Even an embassy is not prepared to repel a full on military assault.

[ZenMaster]

There was not a street protest that became an attack. But there is evidence the video played a part in the attack. It is true that the same Egyptian satellite channels screaming about the video were widely seen in Benghazi. The video was denounced in mosques that afternoon. People on the streets cited the video to Reuters reporters the next day. (They easily could have conflated events, but this was the talk in Benghazi.) Other folks told reporters that they heard the main suspect in the attack ranted about the video earlier that day.

The attack itself didn't need any more than two hours planning for a group of experienced militants like these were. This outpost didn't have a much security to overcome. The perimeter was defended (like all our diplomatic outposts except maybe actual warzones) by local forces, it this case a militia. This militia did not stand and fight. They were basically threatened by the attackers and told not to be around in an hour. If you have some heavy machine guns and RPGS, it's not much to overrun that compound and set the buildings on fire. It could have been the attack was planned that for that day and it was a complete coincidence it occurred on the same day as all the other attacks on facilities around the world. It could have been planned for the next time the Ambassador was in town. It could have been something they planned months before and already knew about the facility and had the pan ready to go whenever they wanted. I think this is probable. The point is this was a group that was already experienced in fighting together and I think that would be the thing that took the longest time. Once you had that, the rest is not really anything.

It's definitely true that the main reason we were in Benghazi was CIA related not State related. Often CIA takes cover in State activities......if you see an American dude driving around Benghazi, you might have some questions. A State outpost helps with that. Although Chris Stevens personally wanted a presence in Benghazi as well. In the aftermath of the attack it was the CIA who wrote up the talking points for other officials to use. There was back and forth over this language but the idea of a street protest against the video was in the original CIA draft. This could have been completely deceptive or it could be reflecting multiple inputs including open source reports. See the Reuters Report from September 12, 2002 that quotes witness saying it was about the video.

The conspiracy theory that the CIA was in Benghazi running guns was debunked. Rand Paul was a believer in it and raised it in Congress. What the CIA was doing is they were tracking down and buying back MANPADS aka Stinger type missiles. The rebels had gotten access to Ghaddafis arms stores and he had hundreds of these. The CIA was actually engaged in arms reduction not trafficking because a MANPADS can take down a military or a commercial plane, we and other governments are very nervous about them. Why do I think this is true? Because MANPADS were not really seen in the Syrian battlefields in 2011-2014/2015. There are tons of arms analysts observing the weaponry used in the Syrian war. Had hundreds of MANPADS made their way to Syria from Libya, this would be impossible to keep secret.

The scale of the attack meant probably no diplomatic facility would have been able to repel it other than maybe the Baghdad embassy. Military troops on site are not charged with protection of the embassy, they are charged with protection of secrets and their job is burn/destroy anything we don't want to the enemy to capture. This off course, wasn't even an embassy or even a consulate. It was considered a temporary facility, but the point being. Even an embassy is not prepared to repel a full on military assault.

Thanks a lot, I know you're set in stone about things like this, so I'm not really going to argue against it even though I'm of a different opinion. A couple of things though:

1. In regards to the MANPADS I found these two pretty quickly:

From July 2012:

Rebels fighting to depose Syrian president Bashar al Assad have for the first time acquired a small supply of surface-to-air missiles, according to a news report that a Western official did not dispute.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-missiles-idUSBRE86U1T920120731

From October 2012

The United States said on Wednesday it has not supplied Stinger missiles to Syrian rebel forces and appeared to question Russian assertions that the U.S.-made surface-to-air missiles had made their way into the opposition's hands.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-24/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-stingersbre89n1j7-20121024_1_stingers-syrian-rebels-manpads

2. Why wasn't any help sent?

[FillJackson]

Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked

[Sarcastic]

:djparty :banana: :djparty :banana:

[FillJackson]

Thanks a lot, I know you're set in stone about things like this, so I'm not really going to argue against it even though I'm of a different opinion. A couple of things though:

1. In regards to the MANPADS I found these two pretty quickly:

From July 2012:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-syria-missiles-idUSBRE86U1T920120731

From October 2012

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-24/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-stingersbre89n1j7-20121024_1_stingers-syrian-rebels-manpads

2. Why wasn't any help sent?
What help do you imagine was there to be sent? Where was it coming from? What would they do once they landed? Is any time required to figure that stuff out?

You should read the House Intelligence report, it will answer your questions.


Syria itself has MANPADS. The largest supply of MANPADS to Syrian rebels was the Syrian Government stores of them. The second largest is Iraq.

In Libya Ghaddafi had bought about 20,000 MANPADS over the years. They age out though, so not all would be operation. The US estimates it destroyed 5,000 MANPADS in LIBYA, so yes, there are MANPADS in Syria, but there are other ways to get MANPADS in Syria that Libya. When Small Arms Survey wrote its report in August 2014, it mentions that MANPADS known to come from Libya were found Lebanon, Mali, and Tunisia. And it could not verify any of Libya's MANPADS found their way to Syria, because the type of manpad commonly seen are available in many black markets worldwide. Additionally, Many of the MANPADS we do know are in Syria are later generations that were never known to be shipped to Libya.

Small Arms Survey believes the reports the US shipped Stinger missiles to Syria to be false because no evidence from Syria has shown this.





Even given all this, there is not a flood of MANPADS in Syria as air assualts against the rebels have been pretty unimpeded. Or perhaps the MANPADS that were shipped don't work any more. It's just that just 5 or 10 operational MANPADS are pretty scary in the wrong hands.

[poido123]

I didn't say anything about it, I just asked you what you wanted as punishment.

I'm not a lefty either.


Well, you may not get an answer.


I'd say she deserves a hefty fine and to be taken out of the presidential race. You cannot have someone breaking the law and running for president.

[Draz]

It's over.
Shut it down

[Nanners]

http://i.imgur.com/0YFDbpz.jpg

[Bandito]

So wait FBI will drop the charges just because she didn't mean to? So does that means that if I kill someone if DUI I can use that as my defense? Wow, Clintons just proving they are above the law.

US has a blabbering idiot and a crooked politician as our next president candidates.

Fatmerica #1 though am I right? :lol

[TheMan]

So wait FBI will drop the charges just because she didn't mean to? So does that means that if I kill someone if DUI I can use that as my defense? Wow, Clintons just proving they are above the law.

US has a blabbering idiot and a crooked politician as our next president candidates.

Fatmerica #1 though am I right? :lol
Shuddup or the US will let Puerto Rico default on it's foreign debt, then all hell will break loose in your island, amigo

Don't bite the hands that feed you :no:

[~primetime~]

She sent an email from the wrong account and people comparing it to murder :rolleyes:

Just stop



She's the next pres, you guys better off not wasting away hours of your life whining about it...it's done, is over, the Trump fiasco was fun while it lasted, time to move on.

[poido123]

She sent an email from the wrong account and people comparing it to murder :rolleyes:

Just stop



She's the next pres, you guys better off not wasting away hours of your life whining about it...it's done, is over, the Trump fiasco was fun while it lasted, time to move on.



True polls have this close.


Skewed polls have this Hillary in a landslide



Hmmm...

[poido123]

She sent an email from the wrong account and people comparing it to murder :rolleyes:

Just stop



She's the next pres, you guys better off not wasting away hours of your life whining about it...it's done, is over, the Trump fiasco was fun while it lasted, time to move on.


She broke the law. FBI admitted as much

[Rolando]

I think there is an important factor here being overlooked:

Who is she exchanging information with?
What exactly was the classified information that she shared?

Hillary is extremely clever....smartest person in the race for the presidency. She set up a private server for a reason. She wanted to keep these email exchanges away from the public.

My best guess: She was giving confidencial information to her corporate connections.

As we all know, the government spies on everyone, everywhere. The purpose of this spying is not always national security. Sensitive information about business and banking is also there.

[UK2K]

2. Why wasn't any help sent?

Because we weren't supposed to be there.

And because Libya was going to be Clinton's 'baby'... that was her one shining moment in her stint as SOS.

According to an email sent by Jeremy Bash, Panetta

[FillJackson]

True polls have this close.


Skewed polls have this Hillary in a landslide



Hmmm...
Please tell us which are the true polls and why.

[UK2K]

I think there is an important factor here being overlooked:

Who is she exchanging information with?
What exactly was the classified information that she shared?

Hillary is extremely clever....smartest person in the race for the presidency. She set up a private server for a reason. She wanted to keep these email exchanges away from the public.

My best guess: She was giving confidencial information to her corporate connections.

As we all know, the government spies on everyone, everywhere. The purpose of this spying is not always national security. Sensitive information about business and banking is also there.

For a reason...


Longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin said in a legal proceeding that Clinton did not want the private emails that she mixed in with State Department emails on her private computer server to be accessible to "anybody," according to transcripts released Wednesday.

[Duderonomy]

She sent an email from the wrong account and people comparing it to murder :rolleyes:

Just stop



She's the next pres, you guys better off not wasting away hours of your life whining about it...it's done, is over, the Trump fiasco was fun while it lasted, time to move on.
You have to understand personal property laws in the work place. If you create a new technology at Intel or Ford for example, the company owns it. If you create it on your personal computer at home on your own time they don't. Hilary was going into business for herself and wasn't legally required to hand over all info in her personal server. But clearly she was covering up something.

[FillJackson]

I think there is an important factor here being overlooked:

Who is she exchanging information with?
What exactly was the classified information that she shared?

Hillary is extremely clever....smartest person in the race for the presidency. She set up a private server for a reason. She wanted to keep these email exchanges away from the public.

My best guess: She was giving confidential information to her corporate connections.

As we all know, the government spies on everyone, everywhere. The purpose of this spying is not always national security. Sensitive information about business and banking is also there.

This post is just a nonsense-fest. All the damn emails in question have been reviewed. Tens of thousands of her emails on online you can find out exactly who she exchanging information with. I've done it. It's easy. Most every single one of the cases in question involve information being shared with her, moving up the chain of command. From ambassadors, diplomats, CIA, White House and other government folks. They wrote the emails and sent them. If any crime was committed, they are more guilty that she would be because they created the emails and were closer to the information.

The emails have been poured over for months by her political opponents, but you feel, based on your own twisted intuition, to come up with some new theory about how it how went down.

You know you don't find? Zero evidence of quid pro quo. Just like her Senate Career. She was a big supporter of health reform which was bitter opposed by corporations and the Republican Party and big supporter of Wall Street reform which was bitterly opposed by corporations and the Republican Party. You know what you do find? Hillary and others doing the work of the State Department.

Take her server out of the equation. Why would any of these emails exchanges be available to the public? Do you think we just get to search the inboxes of State Department employees?

There's literally been hundreds of articles like this one (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/hillary-emails-august.html?om_rid=AABXJ$&om_mid=_BV5fpiB9FGmGup) that actually show some of the emails that were release. She likes The Good Wife and Parks and Recreation.

[Im Still Ballin]

Her candidacy takes a huge hit with this.

[FillJackson]

You have to understand personal property laws in the work place. If you create a new technology at Intel or Ford for example, the company owns it. If you create it on your personal computer at home on your own time they don't. Hilary was going into business for herself and wasn't legally required to hand over all info in her personal server. But clearly she was covering up something.
What in ever-loving-****?

New Technology at Ford? Ridiculous. She was going into business? With her fancy new State Department technology, right. The same State Department that can't archive email in a way to means the requirements of the Federal Records Act.

I've used a personal email account for work stuff sometimes. If my work requires me to turn in every work email, I need to turn over all my personal emails? No. And the Federal Records Act didn't require this either. In fact, about 1,000 emails that she did turn in were returned her as not being a Federal Record. The FBI also forensically recovered her personal emails, reviewed them and find nothing amiss with the fact they were not turned over.

She basically said she got very comfortable reading emails on a blackberry and was terrible at email on her desktop and wanted both personal and office on one device. And the top folks at State tried to accommodate this. Colin Powell had them install a data line into his office just for his personal email account, even though that was a secure office. The whole State Department's tech situation is still terrible because their IR Department is woefully underfunded. Had she used a government account, she still would not have met the requires of the Federal Records Act because the State Department couldn't archive from their email system, it didn't meet the FRA standard. Even after she left State archives about 1% of their emails as a Federal record.

So "clearly?" No, you have higher hurdle than that to clear.

[FillJackson]

For a reason...

Longtime Hillary Clinton aide Huma Abedin said in a legal proceeding that Clinton did not want the private emails that she mixed in with State Department emails on her private computer server to be accessible to "anybody," according to transcripts released Wednesday.

Yeah, she wanted her private stuff kept private. Do you take issue with that?

The AP originally reported this as Abedin saying she didn't want all her emails accessible, but they corrected the piece.

There was a lot of backlash about the original reporting, but I see nothing wrong with the idea her private emails were kept private.

[UK2K]

Yeah, she wanted her private stuff kept private. Do you take issue with that?

The AP originally reported this as Abedin saying she didn't want all her emails accessible, but they corrected the piece.

There was a lot of backlash about the original reporting, but I see nothing wrong with the idea her private emails were kept private.

Nothing at all, you can keep your personal emails private. As long as the personal emails are private and the work emails were ACCESSIBLE. That's why you have a PERSONAL email account, and a WORK email account. That way, you don't have to worry about who can see what.

Makes sense right? Makes sense to me. You?

But those WORK emails weren't accessible, and those work related emails were to be turned over at the end of her appointment, which they weren't.


The National Archives and Records Administration requires all work-related emails to be properly preserved. Federal rules required Clinton to preserve work emails and turn them over before leaving office, but she did not turn over her emails until 21 months after she left office.

And then when she did, she didn't turn all of them over.

[QUOTE]However, Comey said Clinton had multiple servers during her four years as secretary of State, and not all of her work-related emails were turned over to the State Department.[B] The FBI recovered

[Boogaloo]

Well, you may not get an answer.


I'd say she deserves a hefty fine and to be taken out of the presidential race. You cannot have someone breaking the law and running for president.

Sad day for American justice. This is like some third world curruption bull sh it. You think Obama would be seen onstage endorsing a known criminal? She would never have been charged. And even if she did, guess who will pardon her?

[FillJackson]

Because we weren't supposed to be there.

And because Libya was going to be Clinton's 'baby'... that was her one shining moment in her stint as SOS.

According to an email sent by Jeremy Bash, Panetta’s chief of staff...

According to him, we had people rolling to Benghazi. Then.... they weren't. So who gave the order not to go?

Not hard to figure it out... go up the chain.

You're still arguing bullshit about Benghazi. After what, 8 congressional investigations? You still think Clinton was POTUS and determined our post Libya policy. Where's your evidence for this, "Then.....they weren't."

The first team that was able to arrive in Benghazi were already in Libya, in Tripoli. They arrived at the annex before the mortar attack began. Glenn Doherty who died in the mortar attack was part of the team from Tripoli. This team organized the evacuation from Benghazi. 30 Americans were successfully evacuated from Benghazi.




House intel panel debunks many Benghazi theories (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories)

WASHINGTON (AP) — A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.


Where's your evidence that any of the out of country military assets were stopped from going to Benghazi before the Americans were evacuated? What's your evidence that no Americans would have died in the mortar attack had those assets arrived? Do they have anything special to protect them from accurate mortar fire?

[Boogaloo]

This post is just a nonsense-fest. All the damn emails in question have been reviewed. Tens of thousands of her emails on online you can find out exactly who she exchanging information with. I've done it. It's easy. Most every single one of the cases in question involve information being shared with her, moving up the chain of command. From ambassadors, diplomats, CIA, White House and other government folks. They wrote the emails and sent them. If any crime was committed, they are more guilty that she would be because they created the emails and were closer to the information.

The emails have been poured over for months by her political opponents, but you feel, based on your own twisted intuition, to come up with some new theory about how it how went down.

You know you don't find? Zero evidence of quid pro quo. Just like her Senate Career. She was a big supporter of health reform which was bitter opposed by corporations and the Republican Party and big supporter of Wall Street reform which was bitterly opposed by corporations and the Republican Party. You know what you do find? Hillary and others doing the work of the State Department.

Take her server out of the equation. Why would any of these emails exchanges be available to the public? Do you think we just get to search the inboxes of State Department employees?

There's literally been hundreds of articles like this one (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/hillary-emails-august.html?om_rid=AABXJ$&om_mid=_BV5fpiB9FGmGup) that actually show some of the emails that were release. She likes The Good Wife and Parks and Recreation.

Hard to find evidence after she handed her computers a few weeks after the FBI asked for them. I winder why?

[Boogaloo]

You're still arguing bullshit about Benghazi. After what, 8 congressional investigations? You still think Clinton was POTUS and determined our post Libya policy. Where's your evidence for this, "Then.....they weren't."

The first team that was able to arrive in Benghazi were already in Libya, in Tripoli. They arrived at the annex before the mortar attack began. Glenn Doherty who died in the mortar attack was part of the team from Tripoli. This team organized the evacuation from Benghazi. 30 Americans were successfully evacuated from Benghazi.




Where's your evidence that any of the out of country military assets were stopped from going to Benghazi before the Americans were evacuated?


The QRF was ready to go, when the first attack happened. They were told to stand down. They could have gotten to the Ambassador's compound earlier.

[Boogaloo]

You're still arguing bullshit about Benghazi. After what, 8 congressional investigations? You still think Clinton was POTUS and determined our post Libya policy. Where's your evidence for this, "Then.....they weren't."

The first team that was able to arrive in Benghazi were already in Libya, in Tripoli. They arrived at the annex before the mortar attack began. Glenn Doherty who died in the mortar attack was part of the team from Tripoli. This team organized the evacuation from Benghazi. 30 Americans were successfully evacuated from Benghazi.




Where's your evidence that any of the out of country military assets were stopped from going to Benghazi before the Americans were evacuated? What's your evidence that no Americans would have died in the mortar attack had those assets arrived? Do they have anything special to protect them from accurate mortar fire?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/28/benghazi-committee-releases-final-report-slams-clinton/

Answeres all your bull sh it. Even the so called video excuse is bull sh it.

[Dresta]

What help do you imagine was there to be sent? Where was it coming from? What would they do once they landed? Is any time required to figure that stuff out?

You should read the House Intelligence report, it will answer your questions.


Syria itself has MANPADS. The largest supply of MANPADS to Syrian rebels was the Syrian Government stores of them. The second largest is Iraq.

In Libya Ghaddafi had bought about 20,000 MANPADS over the years. They age out though, so not all would be operation. The US estimates it destroyed 5,000 MANPADS in LIBYA, so yes, there are MANPADS in Syria, but there are other ways to get MANPADS in Syria that Libya. When Small Arms Survey wrote its report in August 2014, it mentions that MANPADS known to come from Libya were found Lebanon, Mali, and Tunisia. And it could not verify any of Libya's MANPADS found their way to Syria, because the type of manpad commonly seen are available in many black markets worldwide. Additionally, Many of the MANPADS we do know are in Syria are later generations that were never known to be shipped to Libya.

Small Arms Survey believes the reports the US shipped Stinger missiles to Syria to be false because no evidence from Syria has shown this.





Even given all this, there is not a flood of MANPADS in Syria as air assualts against the rebels have been pretty unimpeded. Or perhaps the MANPADS that were shipped don't work any more. It's just that just 5 or 10 operational MANPADS are pretty scary in the wrong hands.
Yes we know, your heroes, with their foolish Libyan escapade, created a vast supply of black-market weaponry that has now found its way to militant groups throughout Africa and the Middle East.

Well done Hilary and Obama--mission accomplished! ("we came, we saw, he died, *evil cackle*).

[NumberSix]

Yeah, she wanted her private stuff kept private. Do you take issue with that?

The AP originally reported this as Abedin saying she didn't want all her emails accessible, but they corrected the piece.

There was a lot of backlash about the original reporting, but I see nothing wrong with the idea her private emails were kept private.
If you want your private emails kept private, keep them separate from your work emails in the first place.

[poido123]

For those of you confused by all this. Here's an excellent explanation of the crime committed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPHukc36KLU


In short, she broke the law. The 'intent' isn't the important thing here. It's the lLLEGALITY in Statute 1793.

[poido123]

If you want your private emails kept private, keep them separate from your work emails in the first place.


A simple error of judgment is not an excuse according to the law.

Mr Comey clearly states that anyone who was to do what Clinton did would face consequences.


Something like, losing security clerarances. Gee, I wonder what sort of security clearance the President of the United states has?


Let's just allow a woman who BREACHED national security run for presidency and slap her on the wrist.


The world is fcked up.

[FillJackson]

Nothing at all, you can keep your personal emails private. As long as the personal emails are private and the work emails were ACCESSIBLE. That's why you have a PERSONAL email account, and a WORK email account. That way, you don't have to worry about who can see what.

Makes sense right? Makes sense to me. You?
It does
But those WORK emails weren't accessible, and those work related emails were to be turned over at the end of her appointment, which they weren't.



And then when she did, she didn't turn all of them over.



So either she's dumber than shit or she can't follow simple instructions or she's hiding something.

Take your pick. If you think those are the only options, you're not much smarter than shit or you're setting up a strawman and false set of choices. For one she didn't decide which emails to turn over, her lawyers did.
I can also easily think of many harmless reasons that some emails in 2015 weren't turned over.

And the FBI after doing forensic recovery, found no evidence of any malfeasance it what was turned over.

Something like 90% of emails existed on government servers on some form--from all the folks she emailed at State.gov. However they were not federal records due to the antiquated email system at State, it did not meet federal archiving standards. 1% of emails at State did meet these standards. She would have had to print every document and eventually did need to do that.

There's no evidence she was told she needed to file a paper record for every emal that qualified as Government record.

[FillJackson]

The QRF was ready to go, when the first attack happened. They were told to stand down. They could have gotten to the Ambassador's compound earlier.
No they were not and they did not.

A stand down order means you stop being operational.

What they were told was to wait while the guy in charge tried to gather information and tried to raise friendly forces to help. It was a tactical decision made on the ground and a quite reasonable one. What if they were moving into a much larger ambush? What if his decision resulted in many more people killed?In that case moving quicker would have been the incorrect decision.

The guys wanting to go forward were not in charge and had a different set of responsibilities than them

The House Intelligence Committee found no evidence had the security team from the CIA Annex moved quicker and gotten there earlier it would have had any effect. There's no evidence it would have saved the two who were killed.


[QUOTE]
Definition of stand

[FillJackson]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/28/benghazi-committee-releases-final-report-slams-clinton/

Answeres all your bull sh it. Even the so called video excuse is bull sh it.
Cling, my Breitbart reading friend, cling.

[FillJackson]

The QRF was ready to go, when the first attack happened. They were told to stand down.

This is actually at least the second. Bogus stand down story.
The first bogus stand story involved a small Special Operations team that was ordered to remain in Tripoli (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/07/11/officers-say-no-stand-down-order-for-benghazi.html)

They were told to remain there because all the Americans were going to be coming there. The first team from Tripoli, the CIA team had already arrived in Beghazi and was preparing the evacuation. The decision to remain in Tripoli helped ensure that a fifth American didn't die that night as that medic was able save another person's life.

[FillJackson]

If you want your private emails kept private, keep them separate from your work emails in the first place.
Seems like a simple solution.

It would have required a second Blackberry in 2009, but in retrospect, the inconvenience of that would have caused far, far, far less headaches.

She still would have to print out ever email to satisfy Federal archiving records.

[UK2K]

It does If you think those are the only options, you're not much smarter than shit or you're setting up a strawman and false set of choices. For one she didn't decide which emails to turn over, her lawyers did.

I can also easily think of many harmless reasons that some emails in 2015 weren't turned over.

Some WORK related emails? The same emails she was supposed to turn over when she left her assignment? Pretty sure the law says turn over work related emails, so please, enlighten me on some harmless reasons that THOUSANDS of WORK RELATED emails weren't turned over.


And the FBI after doing forensic recovery, found no evidence of any malfeasance it what was turned over.

Something like 90% of emails existed on government servers on some form--from all the folks she emailed at State.gov. However they were not federal records due to the antiquated email system at State, it did not meet federal archiving standards. 1% of emails at State did meet these standards. She would have had to print every document and eventually did need to do that.
How do you determine if someone accidentally, or intentionally hit the delete button?


He argued that the Clinton lawyers had deleted emails they marked as personal that contained professional content, and that while the FBI found some of those emails in its investigation, it was certainly possible more existed that they were unable to track down.

Her team deleted more emails then they turned over, so there's that.



There's no evidence she was told she needed to file a paper record for every emal that qualified as Government record.

If she was concerned with keeping in accordance with the law, she could have asked someone to help her correct it. That's the cost of doing business on your own private server.

But she wasn't concerned with that, which is why she never asked anyone if she could do what she was doing to begin with.

^Which was another lie.^

Straight from the IG report.


Quote from the report: “Secretary Clinton should have preserved any federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those records with the related files in the Office of the Secretary. At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act.”

She lied about never sending or receiving any classified information on her server.

She lied about receiving permission to have her personal email on an unsecured server.

She. Lies.

[Hotlantadude81]

Jill Stein calls for charges against Hillary Clinton

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/strange-bedfellows-greens-gop-unite-call-clinton-prosecution/

[ZenMaster]

Findings of the official report.

[QUOTE]
With Ambassador Stevens missing, the White House convened a roughly two-hour meeting at 7:30 PM, which resulted in action items focused on a YouTube video, and others containing the phrases

[ZenMaster]

[QUOTE]Five of the 10 action items from the 7:30 PM White House meeting referenced the video, but no direct link or solid evidence existed connecting the attacks in Benghazi and the video at the time the meeting took place. The State Department senior officials at the meeting had access to eyewitness accounts to the attack in real time. The Diplomatic Security Command Center was in direct contact with the Diplomatic Security Agents on the ground in Benghazi and sent out multiple updates about the situation, including a

[ZenMaster]

[QUOTE]During deliberations within the State Department about whether and how to intervene in Libya in March 2011, Jake Sullivan listed the first goal as

[UK2K]

Exhibit A of 'when you break the law but are not named Clinton'...

[QUOTE]The AP reported last July that Naval reservist and engineer Bryan Nishimura, who had been deployed to Afghanistan 2007 and 2008, had pleaded guilty to downloading classified briefings and digital records onto his personal electronic devices and bringing them back with him to the United States.

The FBI found the classified materials in a search of Nishimura

[FillJackson]

Exhibit A of 'when you break the law but are not named Clinton'...



All I wanted was for Clinton to lose her security clearance, and take a fine. But, remember, she's a Clinton, and this guy is a nobody.
Nishimura's case involved clear intent and clear knowledge that was he was breaking.

And he admitted this when he plead guilty. It's a higher standard than negligence.

I have Comey on the TV and he just mentioned for you to be guilty of that misdemeanor "as a matter of law and a matter of practice" you need to clearly know you are violating the law and you intend to do it.

[Dresta]

So is "I din knoe nuffin" the new slogan of the Clinton campaign?

[FillJackson]

Comey also cleared up the "markings" comment he made.

There were three emails that did not have classified headers, but did have "portion markings."

That is in the body of the email certain paragraphs had
(c)
at the beginning of the paragraph. This meant that paragraph of the document was considered confidential the lowest level of classification. The state department said these emails were actually mistakenly classified.

Comey just mentioned he is not longer registered as Republican. As a Senator starts grandstanding, Comey looks down and starts playing with his tie.
Comey says She did not lie to the FBI and was not deemed evasive in her interview. And not intent was found, it would be inadvertent at best.

LOL. the Grandstanding Democrat is followed by Grandstanding Republican who is outraged, outraged that the Democrat called this political theater.

[FillJackson]

Comey just mentioned that investigators were unanimous in recommending no charges 15-20 folks.

Also in answer to a direct question, that the documents that had the (c) portion marking were not properly marked as classified according the Classification Manual.

And there could be a reasonable inference these were not classified

[DonDadda59]

25+ years of the GOP throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks... Still nothing has stuck.

Wonder how many 'independent investigations' that waste millions of dollars and untold manpower only to produce less than nothing this will spur.

Should've just voted for Kasich when you fools had the chance. Now look at the circus and wild goose chases you have to subject the public to because of your desperation. :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

Comey just mentioned that investigators were unanimous in recommending no charges 15-20 folks.

Also in answer to a direct question, that the documents that had the (c) portion marking were not properly marked as classified according the Classification Manual.

And there could be a reasonable inference these were not classified

This hearing is just the GOP step by step destroying their own talking points.

Ironically, if they hadn't wasted time on this hearing, they probably could've kept running with the 'she lied about sending classified material' line.

Not so much anymore. :lol

Time to move on, people. Let's see if they will hold one of these hearings to get the Donald to finally release his tax returns.

[FillJackson]

by the way Comey term goes to 2023.

[FillJackson]

Damn, Congressman, if you're going to wear a toupee, have some grey in it so it matches your face.


Damn, Comey just put hairpiece and his insinuations in place.

[UK2K]

Nishimura's case involved clear intent and clear knowledge that was he was breaking.

And he admitted this when he plead guilty. It's a higher standard than negligence.

I have Comey on the TV and he just mentioned for you to be guilty of that misdemeanor "as a matter of law and a matter of practice" you need to clearly know you are violating the law and you intend to do it.
If you're a Clinton... you mean.

Because if I accidentally carried a classified document out of the COC on Leatherneck and it fell into someone's hands that didn't have access to read it...

I'd be charged just the same, whether I meant to or not.

[FillJackson]

Comey confirms that the nonsense about Guccifer hacking Clinton's emails is false. Guccifer admitted he lied.

[FillJackson]

If you're a Clinton... you mean.

Because if I accidentally carried a classified document out of the COC on Leatherneck and it fell into someone's hands that didn't have access to read it...

I'd be charged just the same, whether I meant to or not.

No I mean the "any reasonable" standard. The one Comey applied. Since you disagree with that, I would argue that it leads one to question if you can be reasoned with.

[FillJackson]

This hearing is just the GOP step by step destroying their own talking points.It's really striking to see the Democrats praise Comey and his professionalism and that of his staff and then see a Republican get up and try to browbeat him over how to do his job. Dude from Florida basically threatened to investigate Comey and all the agents involved.

If there were smart enough, they could made some hay out of this.

Another guy was totally try to put words in Comey's mouth. That she knew she had a server and she knew she would receive classified info therefore she knew she would receive it on her server.

It was literally like ISH or any other comments thread 5 months ago. Completed ignoring that there is a separate secure system for classified info.

Dude right now is speaking like a prosecutor interviewing a gangster and then segues into the Federal Records Act like that's what Comey looked into.

Then the Democrat gets up and starts mentioning that prosecutors have awesome power and must use restraint and comes off way better.

I don't know if they don't understand strategy and political theater or if they just can't help themselves.

[FillJackson]

Comey also destroying the idea that Obama or Clinton or Lynch interferes in cases like this.

[FillJackson]

Congressman wants everyone on the email threads investigated.

Congresswoman can't pronounce prosecutorial.

[FillJackson]

Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS
This was meant to be about Hillary.

It has devolved to point where Comey is angrily defending his integrity against conspiracy theories.

Greg Sargent ‏@ThePlumLineGS
Wow. Comey:

"You know what would be a double standard? If she were PROSECUTED for gross negligence."

Comey says Hillary was interviewed by "real pros."

Those are the people that many GOPers are insinuating are corrupt and lawless.

[FillJackson]

Nishimura's case involved clear intent and clear knowledge that was he was breaking.

And he admitted this when he plead guilty. It's a higher standard than negligence.

I have Comey on the TV and he just mentioned for you to be guilty of that misdemeanor "as a matter of law and a matter of practice" you need to clearly know you are violating the law and you intend to do it.
Comey just answered a question about the Nishimura case and said it was not an appropriate comparison and that the facts were very different.

[NumberSix]

So after the convention when Hillary and Trump start receiving classified information reports, if Trump decides to stores that classified information on his twitter account and sets those files to "private" there's absolutely no way to prosecute that, right? There's no criminal intent, it's just "extremely careless" right?

I mean, Hillary could also just continue to use her private server too, right?

[FillJackson]

The Hill just reported 5 other Congressional Committees want their shot at Comey.

[FillJackson]

So after the convention when Hillary and Trump start receiving classified information reports, if Trump decides to stores that classified information on his twitter account and sets those files to "private" there's absolutely no way to prosecute that, right? There's no criminal intent, it's just "extremely careless" right?

I mean, Hillary could also just continue to use her private server too, right?
Yeah, like I said they could make some substantial points, but they can't stop themselves from foolishness.

[FillJackson]

Dude was just talking to Comey like a disappointed parent scolding their child.

[Raymone]

Guccifer is a pretty funny name.

[Raymone]

I like Comey. Seems very logical and trustworthy from what I've seen.

[Raymone]

"There are a lot of dumb defendants out there..." :lol

[Facepalm]

25+ years of the GOP throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks... Still nothing has stuck.

Wonder how many 'independent investigations' that waste millions of dollars and untold manpower only to produce less than nothing this will spur.

Should've just voted for Kasich when you fools had the chance. Now look at the circus and wild goose chases you have to subject the public to because of your desperation. :facepalm
They spend millions on bullshit like this, but then refuse to do their jobs like holding a confirmation hearing for the SC nomination. Republicans keep playing games and America keeps losing. :facepalm

[NumberSix]

Yeah, like I said they could make some substantial points, but they can't stop themselves from foolishness.
Why did Hillary Clinton leave all those emails (that she claims weren't work related) on her private server for 4 years and only start deleting them and her aides wiping their personal devices when the government started asking for her emails? Isn't that weird? We're supposed to believe all those emails are purely personal? Why the sudden rush to delete them and wipe all their personal devices?

[DonDadda59]

They spend millions on bullshit like this, but then refuse to do their jobs like holding a confirmation hearing for the SC nomination. Republicans keep playing games and America keeps losing. :facepalm

The latest polls show Congress has an 11% approval rating.

Who the hell are the 11% of Americans who think these clowns are actually doing a good job? :biggums:

[Hawker]

The less congress does the better.

[NumberSix]

They spend millions on bullshit like this, but then refuse to do their jobs like holding a confirmation hearing for the SC nomination. Republicans keep playing games and America keeps losing. :facepalm
That's actually not their job. They aren't required to hold confirmation hearings. Actually, they're even within their right to say "you what? 8 justices sounds right. let's keep it at 8". There's nothing in the constitution that specifies how many Supreme Court justices there should be. Congress can decide on whatever number they want. They can keep it at 9, cut it down to 4, bump it up to 13, etc...

[FillJackson]

Russell from Oklahoma is good for the Republicans as was the guy from Arizona. Russell unlike many of the others is not acting like he's in an opera.

[FillJackson]

ooooh, the nonpaper question

Comey agrees with what I've said many times here. That nonpaper means is a document that is inherently nonclassified and intended to be shared. LOL .

Chaffetz acts like he didn't hear Comey's answer. What a putz.

[FillJackson]

Chaffetz is yelling at Comey. What a douche!

Comey deadpans him like "are you kidding me you ****ing idiot?"

Also trying to pretend like this was secure SIPRNET system.

[FillJackson]

Cummings had a good summary, points out that for the material that retroactively classified prior to the FOIA release involved 1,000 people. Comey mentioned that he basically didn't consider the couple thousand emails that were retroactively classified.

Points that the new information Comey testified to today. He used Comey's words to point out that there only three emails with any sort of markings, but even these three were not properly marked as classified, had no classified headers and Clinton could reasonably infer these were not classified. He also mentioned that State Department has no said the markings were human error and even those paragraphs should not be considered classified.

[FillJackson]

Democrats also used their summary to document all the known government/corporate hacks that have occurred.

State Depart, White House, OMB, etc.

Gets Comey to reiterate no evidence Clinton's server was hacked.

Also used Comey's words to say that the double standard would have been to prosecute Clinton because the case didn't support it.

Cummings sums up telling Comey that his integrity is intact.

[FillJackson]

Why did Hillary Clinton leave all those emails (that she claims weren't work related) on her private server for 4 years and only start deleting them and her aides wiping their personal devices when the government started asking for her emails? Isn't that weird? We're supposed to believe all those emails are purely personal? Why the sudden rush to delete them and wipe all their personal devices?
Because.

[Facepalm]

These hearings seem to have backfired for the Repubs.

[FillJackson]

here's two of the only emails with any markings

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_Jan29thWeb/O-2015-08637HCE10/DOC_0C05796118/C05796118.pdf

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_NovWeb/267/DOC_0C05791537/C05791537.pdf


Basically, they are call sheet with info to discuss with foreign governments. The information is classified as confidential up to the time the decision to have the call is made. Once it's clear the Secretary is going to make the call, it's no longer classified. This is what the State Department said yesterday had "markings" that shouldn't have been there.

[UK2K]

No I mean the "any reasonable" standard. The one Comey applied. Since you disagree with that, I would argue that it leads one to question if you can be reasoned with.

Which standard is that? I don't follow.

[UK2K]

Democrats also used their summary to document all the known government/corporate hacks that have occurred.

State Depart, White House, OMB, etc.

Gets Comey to reiterate no evidence Clinton's server was hacked.

Also used Comey's words to say that the double standard would have been to prosecute Clinton because the case didn't support it.

Cummings sums up telling Comey that his integrity is intact.

That's ironic because Clinton's own team believe they were.

[NumberSix]

These hearings seem to have backfired for the Repubs.
What? Comey just said Clinton knowingly gave people without clearance, access to classified information. Then Comey actually had the balls to say that just because these people without clearance went through all the emails doesn't mean they read them. I mean, come on. This is just a joke.

[FillJackson]

That's ironic because Clinton's own team believe they were.
I didn't even know what you were referring to do here.
Then it hit me.

You do understand the difference someone trying to hack you and actually being hacked right? Because there's no evidence she was hacked and the incidents you're talking about were hacking attempts that were defended against.


Which standard is that? I don't follow.
The standard of being reasonable. Also that is a helluva straight line.

[FillJackson]

What? Comey just said Clinton knowingly gave people without clearance, access to classified information. Then Comey actually had the balls to say that just because these people without clearance went through all the emails doesn't mean they read them. I mean, come on. This is just a joke.

Chaffetz said that. Chaffetz did not come off looking reasonable and Comey did.

Cummings then clarified that Clinton's lawyers do have top secret security clearances.

This letter is from last year.
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/judiciary/upload/Classified%20docs%2C%2008-25-15%2C%20Kendall%20response.pdf

[senelcoolidge]

Clinton commits blatant perjury and no charge...what a banana republic. She's still running for president..wtf is this south america?