Will Cavs get Dwyane Wade? Update: Nope.

[FireDavidKahn]

J Kemp @JKemp1997
Jason Carr, son of Austin says that Wade to Cavs is done. Even though it wasn't much of a secret he called the Love deal early @FearTheSword

:eek:

[GreatHILL]

:cheers: :banana: :rockon:

[francesco totti]

This multiple wade to cleveland threads, should be merged in one.

[Springsteen]

How does this work? Kyrie does his job as a slasher better.

[HeyMarkus]

:eek:
Ban

[Im Still Ballin]

This is old intel

Been on the net for 10+ hours

No real confirmation yet, BUT this guy has called the LBJ return and Love signing before they happened

[Hotlantadude81]

The NBA is just like the WWE. The only real difference is that the NBA has a basketball court and the WWE has a wrestling ring.

[DMAVS41]

If it is Wade replacing JR...the Cavs just got worse.

[Nike D'Antoni]

If it is Wade replacing JR...the Cavs just got worse.


hmm no. But I hope we keeping JR as well.

[DMAVS41]

hmm no. But I hope we keeping JR as well.

Wade's lack of 3 point shooting will kill the Cavs offense unless Wade becomes the 6th man and the Cavs find another shooter to start.

[Klay 3D]

Wade's lack of 3 point shooting will kill the Cavs offense unless Wade becomes the 6th man and the Cavs find another shooter to start.
Because the best idea is to play off of Wade and help pack the paint right?

[Nike D'Antoni]

Wade's lack of 3 point shooting will kill the Cavs offense unless Wade becomes the 6th man and the Cavs find another shooter to start.


When it matters, Wade hits the 3. Did you watch the playoffs?? Its not even close who the better player is. Wade midrange shot is extremly effective as well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wade's lack of 3 point shooting will kill the Cavs offense unless Wade becomes the 6th man and the Cavs find another shooter to start.

Not it wouldn't. Doesn't matter, because Wade is staying in Miami. But Cavs would easily be better with Wade.

[DMAVS41]

When it matters, Wade hits the 3. Did you watch the playoffs?? Its not even close who the better player is. Wade midrange shot is extremly effective as well.

They don't need a mid range shooter at that position. They need a spot up 3 point shooter.

Did I watch the playoffs? Yes...in fact I've watched Wade play his entire college career to the present.

Wade isn't helping this Cavs team if he replaces JR. He would, however, help them if it was the Shump role.

[kurple]

This won't happen. Unless LeBron opt out and takes the MLE himself

[DMAVS41]

Not it wouldn't. Doesn't matter, because Wade is staying in Miami. But Cavs would easily be better with Wade.

Yea...Lebron will just thrive next to another ball dominant wing player that isn't a good 3 point shooter.

When you have Kyrie and Lebron...you don't need another guy that is only good with the ball in his hands...unless it is someone off the bench playing the 6th man.

[aj1987]

How does this work? Kyrie does his job as a slasher better.
Kyrie is an elite shooter. He can drag defenders out as well.


If it is Wade replacing JR...the Cavs just got worse.
Better defender, better playmaker, better rebounder, better scorer, more consistent, etc.. Literally the only thing JR does is shoot 3's better. If you actually watched Cavs and Heat games last season, you'd know that it wouldn't matter as defenders rarely cheat off of Wade.

[kurple]

Yea...Lebron will just thrive next to another ball dominant wing player that isn't a good 3 point shooter.

When you have Kyrie and Lebron...you don't need another guy that is only good with the ball in his hands...unless it is someone off the bench playing the 6th man.
It's not about need, but the Cavs would be much better with Wade

GSW don't need Durant to take corner 3's ala Barnes, but they will be much better with Durant either way

[DMAVS41]

Kyrie is an elite shooter. He can drag defenders out as well.


Better defender, better playmaker, better rebounder, better scorer, more consistent, etc.. Literally the only thing JR does is shoot 3's better. If you actually watched Cavs and Heat games last season, you'd know that it wouldn't matter as defenders rarely cheat off of Wade.

All I can say is that I really hope this happens so you can see the cluster **** problems Wade would cause on offense next to Kyrie and Lebron.

JR Smith took what? Like 7 threes a game for the Cavs? They will have to literally transform how they play if Wade were to take that spot over.

[DMAVS41]

It's not about need, but the Cavs would be much better with Wade

GSW don't need Durant to take corner 3's ala Barnes, but they will be much better with Durant either way

Comparing the fit of Durant on the Warriors and Wade on the Cavs is silly.

It is night and day.

[aj1987]

All I can say is that I really hope this happens so you can see the cluster **** problems Wade would cause on offense next to Kyrie and Lebron.
The same was said when LeBron and Wade first teamed up. Redundant was what people were saying.

If Lue is actually a decent coach, he'd start Wade, but play him more with the 2nd unit. How is Wade not an upgrade over JR? Seriously. As I said, better defender (even at this stage of their careers), better playmaker, better scorer, better rebounder, and sucks in the defense better than JR. Lets not act like Wade can't play off ball ('13 and '14).

[RRR3]

Wade better not leave Miami.

[DMAVS41]

The same was said when LeBron and Wade first teamed up. Redundant was what people were saying.

If Lue is actually a decent coach, he'd start Wade, but play him more with the 2nd unit. How is Wade not an upgrade over JR? Seriously. As I said, better defender (even at this stage of their careers), better playmaker, better scorer, better rebounder, and sucks in the defense better than JR. Lets not act like Wade can't play off ball ('13 and '14).

Because the playmaking and scoring just doesn't matter as much when the ball should be with Kyrie and Lebron so often.

Like I said above...JR takes like 7 threes a game on the Cavs. They would have to alter the entire way they play with Wade in that role.

I agree that Wade would be a very nice upgrade playing more with the 2nd unit, but then you have to find a replacement for JR smith.

[aj1987]

Wade better not leave Miami.
Feel for you dude. You were a LeBron stan, but stuck with the Heat after LeBron left, because of Rio/Wade. much respect.:cheers: :cheers:

[KobeLookLike2Pac]

I wonder how Klay feels knowing he will have 4" less of standing reach to shoot over if these 2 reach the finals again.

[feyki]

Op is wrong , as usual .

Options are only Nuggets,Bulls and Heat .

[aj1987]

Because the playmaking and scoring just doesn't matter as much when the ball should be with Kyrie and Lebron so often.
As I said, Wade is an elite off ball player. '13 and '14 are the best examples. JR is also a terrible midrange player. Wade fills in that gap quite nicely.


Like I said above...JR takes like 7 threes a game on the Cavs. They would have to alter the entire way they play with Wade in that role.
Yeah, but he still doesn't command the defensive attention that Wade does. Look at how the Hornets and Raptors were guarding Wade. Dude was being literally doubled at half-court in the 3rd and 4th Q's. Why do you think LeBron had career highs in efficiency with the Heat? You think his jumper magically disappeared?


I agree that Wade would be a very nice upgrade playing more with the 2nd unit, but then you have to find a replacement for JR smith.
Why?

Irving - Wade - LeBron - Love - TT

Solid AF lineup.

[DMAVS41]

As I said, Wade is an elite off ball player. '13 and '14 are the best examples. JR is also a terrible midrange player. Wade fills in that gap quite nicely.


Yeah, but he still doesn't command the defensive attention that Wade does. Look at how the Hornets and Raptors were guarding Wade. Dude was being literally doubled at half-court in the 3rd and 4th Q's. Why do you think LeBron had career highs in efficiency with the Heat? You think his jumper magically disappeared?


Why?

Irving - Wade - LeBron - Love - TT

Solid AF lineup.

Of course it is a solid lineup.

But you can't ignore what JR gives them. Having a guy that can bomb deep 3's...7 times a game at a 40% clip is a huge advantage to a team around Kyrie/Lebron.

Wade just doesn't do enough on that team imo. If they kept JR and added Wade? Yea...great. If it is either JR or Wade...I'll take JR.

I think Wade is the better player, but not in that role playing next to Love, Kyrie, and Lebron.

[RRR3]

Feel for you dude. You were a LeBron stan, but stuck with the Heat after LeBron left, because of Rio/Wade. much respect.:cheers: :cheers:
Hell yeah. Lebron doesn't need any more rings anyways 3 is plenty. I just couldn't stand seeing Wade on the Cavs. It wouldn't be right. Speaking of Chalmers we should resign him :D

[ArbitraryWater]

Why?

Irving - Wade - LeBron - Love - TT

Solid AF lineup.

They wont be a single bit better.. his spacing will kill them. Ill be surprised if he suddenly looks as spry and good as during the last postseason. He turns to lazy boss when hes next to Bron.

Wade doesnt help them.

[Old Man River]

When it matters, Wade hits the 3. Did you watch the playoffs?? Its not even close who the better player is. Wade midrange shot is extremly effective as well.
In 06 against mavs he was hitting tons of 3s. I've always wondered why his shot got worse since then

[tpols]

When it matters, Wade hits the 3. Did you watch the playoffs?? Its not even close who the better player is. Wade midrange shot is extremly effective as well.

Wade has to lather himself into his 3's.. he doesnt just quick catch and shoot them which is what provides the spacing. i dont think clevland would want the return of that your turn, my turn stuff.. although they could use wade creatively in a manu role and get a ton out of him. It will be battle of the super teams.

[aj1987]

But you can't ignore what JR gives them. Having a guy that can bomb deep 3's...7 times a game at a 40% clip is a huge advantage to a team around Kyrie/Lebron.
You're just looking at numbers. If you did that, Dirk's '11 Finals numbers weren't all that impressive. With context and his clutch performances, you'd realize that the guy was absolutely masterful. Same with JR. Dude is inconsistent and can go 2-3 games (or more) playing like shit and than he'll shoot like 7/10 form deep. That's how he gets his numbers and a reason why defenders do not respect him as much as Wade.


Wade just doesn't do enough on that team imo. If they kept JR and added Wade? Yea...great. If it is either JR or Wade...I'll take JR.
If they got them at the same price, literally every one in the world would pick Wade over JR.


I think Wade is the better player, but not in that role playing next to Love, Kyrie, and Lebron.
Irving - Spaces the floor
Wade - Keeps his defender on him and is a better scorer/defender/rebounder/more consistent/etc.
LeBron
Love - Spaces the floor
TT

They'd literally make like 2 less 3's a game with Wade. That's it. Wade and LeBron are a proven tandem. I still can't understand how you do not realize this.


They wont be a single bit better.. his spacing will kill them. Ill be surprised if he suddenly looks as spry and good as during the last postseason. He turns to lazy boss when hes next to Bron.

Wade doesnt help them.
Hush. Adults are talking here.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line

[Old Man River]

Feel for you dude. You were a LeBron stan, but stuck with the Heat after LeBron left, because of Rio/Wade. much respect.:cheers: :cheers:
stay a heat fan tho RR don't be a wade stan

[DMAVS41]

You're just looking at numbers. If you did that, Dirk's '11 Finals numbers weren't all that impressive. With context and his clutch performances, you'd realize that the guy was absolutely masterful. Same with JR. Dude is inconsistent and can go 2-3 games (or more) playing like shit and than he'll shoot like 7/10 form deep. That's how he gets his numbers and a reason why defenders do not respect him as much as Wade.


If they got them at the same price, literally every one in the world would pick Wade over JR.


Irving - Spaces the floor
Wade - Keeps his defender on him and is a better scorer/defender/rebounder/more consistent/etc.
LeBron
Love - Spaces the floor
TT

They'd literally make like 2 less 3's a game with Wade. That's it. Wade and LeBron are a proven tandem. I still can't understand how you do not realize this.


Hush. Adults are talking here.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line

While we agree that Wade is a better scorer, playmaker, defender...and overall better player.

We disagree about what the Cavs need at that position.

I'd want a player like JR over Wade because of what he can do. JR can be inconsistent, but he is always a threat off the ball no matter what...you can't ignore that impact.

You bring up Dirk...but it is JR that is having that off ball impact in this case...not Wade.

I disagree about the basketball world. I think plenty of people would find Wade redundant and not needed playing the JR role. They'd question how the Cavs were going to look on offense replacing a great high volume 3 point shooter with a guy that doesn't want to ever shoot 3's.

Kevin Love is better than Jae Crowder...yet Jae Crowder would have helped the Cavs much more against the Warriors. Wade being better than JR doesn't really matter much when Wade is joining a team to be the distant 3rd or 4th option.

The Cavs need 3 point shooting and defense in the JR role. Wade doesn't do either if those at a level that warrants a tangible benefit for the Cavs large enough to warrant dumping JR for Wade.

Now, you tell me the Cavs can turn JR/Shump into Wade and a solid 3 point shooting wing that can defend. Ok..I'm on board for the roster flexibility and 2nd unit bump they would get out of a Wade/Love 2 man unit that would likely destroy even most playoff teams.

But there would be a gaping hole in terms of shooting on this team just replacing JR with Wade.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade just at this age wont bring more than Jr... its a fact. Sorry. But thats the stage your boy is at.

[Klay 3D]

Package Love and Shump for Bradley/Smart, Jerebko, and 2017 (probably 2018 too) Nets' 1st and save around $20m. Sign Josh Smith and Nene for cheap.

Kyrie/Bradley
JR/Wade
Lebron/Jefferson
Jerebko/Frye/Smith
TT/Nene

Isaiah/Smart
Shumpert/???Barbosa?Lance??
Crowder/Jaylen
Love/Olynyk
Horford/Sullinger/Amir

[Hey Yo]

They wont be a single bit better.. his spacing will kill them. Ill be surprised if he suddenly looks as spry and good as during the last postseason. He turns to lazy boss when hes next to Bron.

Wade doesnt help them.
I agree.

No need to bring in another guy that LeBron has to worry about getting touches. You can see what happens when Cleveland forces touches to Love...the offense looks out of sync.

With JR...you don't have to worry about the media asking him about shot selection or if he's happy with the amount of FGA 's he's getting etc..etc.. cause they know JR isn't going to give them anything to possibly feed off of or dramatize.

Wade brings drama and that's the last thing the Cavs need.

[DMAVS41]

Package Love and Shump for Bradley/Smart, Jerebko, and 2017 (probably 2018 too) Nets' 1st and save around $20m. Sign Josh Smith and Nene for cheap.

Kyrie/Bradley
JR/Wade
Lebron/Jefferson
Jerebko/Frye/Smith
TT/Nene

Isaiah/Smart
Shumpert/???Barbosa?Lance??
Crowder/Jaylen
Love/Olynyk
Horford/Sullinger/Amir

Cavs would have to get Crowder back in any trade involving Love with the Celtics.

Crowder is literally the exact player the Cavs need to compete with the Warriors.

So it would have to be something like Bradley/Crowder and a pick (like future first...not the Nets pick) for Love.

If I'm the Celtics...have to think about something like that after the Jaylen Brown pick...and now officially being in win now mode with the Horford signing. If I'm the Cavs? I probably do it because I don't see how the Cavs beat the Warriors with Love now.

It was a nightmare before Durant...now it is just impossible. Love and Frye are both officially unplayable against the Warriors.

You hate to make moves just to beat one team, but ugh...hard not to when a team is so loaded that one of their two best players could get hurt and they'd still be favorites to make the finals.

Celtics could then turn around an offer a godfather type deal to the Bulls centered around Jaylen and the Nets pick for Butler.

[alanLA92]

Don't see how Irving, Wade, and Lebron are going to split the ball handling well. Wade doesn't shoot the 3. But he does give them another slasher against a Warriors team that allowed Lebron to pass through.

Only way this happens is if Lebron takes a paycut along with Wade who could make bank with the team he has ever played with. Of course, the Heat owner is one cheap SOB. :lol

[aj1987]

JR can be inconsistent, but he is always a threat off the ball no matter what...you can't ignore that impact.
It's a proven FACT that Wade commands more defensive attention than JR. A LOT more.


You bring up Dirk...but it is JR that is having that off ball impact in this case...not Wade.
Not really. Nope.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line


I disagree about the basketball world. I think plenty of people would find Wade redundant and not needed playing the JR role. They'd question how the Cavs were going to look on offense replacing a great high volume 3 point shooter with a guy that doesn't want to ever shoot 3's.
There is no JR role. Dude is just a replaceable role-player on the team. JR was trash in the Finals this season and the last one as well.


Kevin Love is better than Jae Crowder...yet Jae Crowder would have helped the Cavs much more against the Warriors.
Crowder doesn't even come close to sucking in the defense as Love does. I'm not saying that Love commands doubles or triples, but defenders rarely cheat off of him. Also, Crowder can't rebound for shit. Not to mention the playmaking.


Wade being better than JR doesn't really matter much when Wade is joining a team to be the distant 3rd or 4th option.
IMO, Love would be the 4th option. LeBron would unquestionably be #1 and Kyrie #2.


The Cavs need 3 point shooting and defense in the JR role. Wade doesn't do either if those at a level that warrants a tangible benefit for the Cavs large enough to warrant dumping JR for Wade.
Wade, even at this stage, is a significantly better defender than JR. Also, Wade's midrange shot, playmaking, etc..


Now, you tell me the Cavs can turn JR/Shump in Wade and a solid 3 point shooting wing that can defend. Ok..I'm on board for the roster flexibility and 2nd unit bump they would get out of a Wade/Love 2 man unit that would likely destroy even most playoff teams.
The point of having JR at the 3 is to make sure that defenders leave the paint open. They do the same with Wade and there are actually stats to back that up.


But there would be a gaping hole in terms of shooting on this team just replacing JR with Wade.
True, but a significant improvement in scoring, playmaking, defending, etc..

DMAVS, ignore the rest of my post and look at Wade's and JR's defense against Demar.


Wade just at this age wont bring more than Jr... its a fact. Sorry. But thats the stage your boy is at.
A dude who just carried a team to 48 wins and G7 in the ECSF.... :facepalm

Another one that belongs in the dumbest post ever thread.

[ArbitraryWater]

God I hope they dont get Wade... he will kill them with his drama and lack of a respectable J.

[aj1987]

God I hope they dont get Wade... he will kill them with his drama and lack of a respectable J.
You're beyond pathetic.

I wish the Cavs get Wade and he's the reason LeBron loses in the '17 Finals. God, I hope it happens.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're beyond pathetic.

I wish the Cavs get Wade and he's the reason LeBron loses in the '17 Finals. God, I hope it happens.

:lol

I LOVE how I got this guy fuming :lol

[aj1987]

:lol

I LOVE how I got this guy fuming :lol
I don't think you understand the meaning of that word, kid.

[DMAVS41]

It's a proven FACT that Wade commands more defensive attention than JR. A LOT more.


Not really. Nope.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line


There is no JR role. Dude is just a replaceable role-player on the team. JR was trash in the Finals this season and the last one as well.


Crowder doesn't even come close to sucking in the defense as Love does. I'm not saying that Love commands doubles or triples, but defenders rarely cheat off of him. Also, Crowder can't rebound for shit. Not to mention the playmaking.


IMO, Love would be the 4th option. LeBron would unquestionably be #1 and Kyrie #2.


Wade, even at this stage, is a significantly better defender than JR. Also, Wade's midrange shot, playmaking, etc..


The point of having JR at the 3 is to make sure that defenders leave the paint open. They do the same with Wade and there are actually stats to back that up.


True, but a significant improvement in scoring, playmaking, defending, etc..

DMAVS, ignore the rest of my post and look at Wade's and JR's defense against Demar.


A dude who just carried a team to 48 wins and G7 in the ECSF.... :facepalm

Another one that belongs in the dumbest post ever thread.


You aren't factoring in his role. You putting up stats about gravity mean nothing when that isn't the role he's playing.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to add Wade to a team with Love, Kyrie, and Lebron.

You keep talking about playmaking, scoring, and defense...we've already agreed Wade is not only better at those things, but he's the better player.

That isn't about that.

It's about realizing what a team specifically needs...and the main thing the Cavs need next to Kyrie, Love, and Lebron on the wing is 3 point shooting.

Not inept range shooting that nobody has to worry about which clogs up the floor for the Kyrie, Lebron, TT, and Love in the PnR.

Tpols said it best...it would need to be in a Manu type role off the bench. I'd add...that you'd also have to replace JR with a capable shooter. If you do that...I agree.

But if it's a straight Wade for JR swap...I don't see how it makes them better. I only see good reasons why they would be worse.

[bdreason]

LeBron + Wade + Kyrie + Love + Thompson?!?!


No excuses.

[aj1987]

You aren't factoring in his role. You putting up stats about gravity mean nothing when that isn't the role he's playing.
His role is to keep his defender honest and keep him out of the paint. Wade does that.


I'm sorry, but it just doesn't make sense to add Wade to a team with Love, Kyrie, and Lebron.
Why? They need an upgrade defensive and Wade does that.


It's about realizing what a team specifically needs...and the main thing the Cavs need next to Kyrie, Love, and Lebron on the wing is 3 point shooting.
They need players who can keep defenders out of the paint. 3 point shooter do the same and as does Wade.

The one thing you keep forgetting is that JR is inconsistent. Defenders usually cheat off of him because he's inconsistent. He RARELY doest anything beside shoot 3's.

Lets do it this way.

Player A - Good 3pt shooter and decent defender. Nothing else.

Player B - Elite scorer, elite playmaker, decent rebounder, can keep defenses out of the paint, etc..

Who would you choose to play alongside two elite shooters who can score in the paint as well and are subpar defenders and the best player in the world, who can't shoot for shit?


Off topic - Are you from Texas?

[stallionaire]

Wade is just a name at this point. I think it's a ballsy move if they get him and he breaks down or whatever. He's just old. They need youth with upside right now.

[DirkNowitzki41]

Would rather have JR 10/10 for that team.

[miggyme1]

It's a proven FACT that Wade commands more defensive attention than JR. A LOT more.


Not really. Nope.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line


There is no JR role. Dude is just a replaceable role-player on the team. JR was trash in the Finals this season and the last one as well.


Crowder doesn't even come close to sucking in the defense as Love does. I'm not saying that Love commands doubles or triples, but defenders rarely cheat off of him. Also, Crowder can't rebound for shit. Not to mention the playmaking.


IMO, Love would be the 4th option. LeBron would unquestionably be #1 and Kyrie #2.


Wade, even at this stage, is a significantly better defender than JR. Also, Wade's midrange shot, playmaking, etc..


The point of having JR at the 3 is to make sure that defenders leave the paint open. They do the same with Wade and there are actually stats to back that up.


True, but a significant improvement in scoring, playmaking, defending, etc..

DMAVS, ignore the rest of my post and look at Wade's and JR's defense against Demar.


A dude who just carried a team to 48 wins and G7 in the ECSF.... :facepalm

Another one that belongs in the dumbest post ever thread.


carried?? lmao...hey guys look at this dumbazz!!!

[DMAVS41]

His role is to keep his defender honest and keep him out of the paint. Wade does that.


Why? They need an upgrade defensive and Wade does that.


They need players who can keep defenders out of the paint. 3 point shooter do the same and as does Wade.

The one thing you keep forgetting is that JR is inconsistent. Defenders usually cheat off of him because he's inconsistent. He RARELY doest anything beside shoot 3's.

Lets do it this way.

Player A - Good 3pt shooter and decent defender. Nothing else.

Player B - Elite scorer, elite playmaker, decent rebounder, can keep defenses out of the paint, etc..

Who would you choose to play alongside two elite shooters who can score in the paint as well and are subpar defenders and the best player in the world, who can't shoot for shit?


Off topic - Are you from Texas?

My argument is that Wade won't do that the way this Cavs team is constructed in the way you are used to...not that he's incapable of doing that at all.

Player A fits what this Cavs team needs more imo.

Yes...from Texas.

[GrapeApe]

Wade is just a name at this point. I think it's a ballsy move if they get him and he breaks down or whatever. He's just old. They need youth with upside right now.

He's a name that just dropped 22/6/4 on 48% in the playoffs and carried an injury-decimated team to within a game of the ECF. He's obviously not getting any younger, but he can still ball. It's irrelevant though because he'll ultimately stay in Miami.

[ArbitraryWater]

Would rather have JR 10/10 for that team.

Pretty much.. only guys with their mouth strapped to Wade's dick will say different at this point

[warriorfan]

Jr Smith over Wade?

Cmon now...

I bet you guys are the same dipshits who thought the Warriors would be better with Harrison Barnes instead of KD :lol

[aj1987]

My argument is that Wade won't do that the way this Cavs team is constructed in the way you are used to...not that he's incapable of doing that at all.

Player A fits what this Cavs team needs more imo.
Agree to disagree then. Neither of us will be proven wrong until this actually happens.


Yes...from Texas.
:cheers:

Was just curious. Also, much respect. I know that you're one of the few who actually respects and gives props when a player does well and to ATG's.


carried?? lmao...hey guys look at this dumbazz!!!
Best scorer and playmaker on the team. Carried the team on his back in the PO's. You should research/watch the games before you talk, you retarded slut.


He's a name that just dropped 22/6/4 on 48% in the playoffs and carried an injury-decimated team to within a game of the ECF. He's obviously not getting any younger, but he can still ball. It's irrelevant though because he'll ultimately stay in Miami.
And we wonder why Wade was looked over for multiple All-Def teams. :oldlol:

[SavageMode]

Wade will take Dellavedovas role, coming off the bench

[DMAVS41]

Agree to disagree then. Neither of us will be proven wrong until this actually happens.


:cheers:

Was just curious. Also, much respect. I know that you're one of the few who actually respects and gives props when a player does well.


Best scorer and playmaker on the team. Carried the team on his back in the PO's. You should research/watch the games before you talk, you retarded slut.

Cool.

Totally get your argument. It makes sense on a number of fronts. I just disagree.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wade will take Dellavedovas role, coming off the bench

his ego is too big for that

[miggyme1]

Agree to disagree then. Neither of us will be proven wrong until this actually happens.


:cheers:

Was just curious. Also, much respect. I know that you're one of the few who actually respects and gives props when a player does well and to ATG's.


Best scorer and playmaker on the team. Carried the team on his back in the PO's. You should research/watch the games before you talk, you retarded slut.


And we wonder why Wade was looked over for multiple All-Def teams. :oldlol:

again carried???? he had no help????...you do know what carry means dumb fucc??

[ArbitraryWater]

again carried???? he had no help????...you do know what carry means dumb fucc??

damn

[aj1987]

again carried???? he had no help????...you do know what carry means dumb fucc??
Wade was the best scorer and playmaker in the RS. He was the best scorer, playmaker, and defender in the PO's. Without Wade, Miami would've been a lottery team.

That's basically the definition of carrying a team, "dumb fucc". You might want to look up the definition. While you're at it, get a dictionary as well, dumb****.

AutisticWater melting down as usual. :oldlol:

[Alan Ogg]

How about trading Love to the HEAT for Wade? Sign and trade.

[rzp]

How about trading Love to the HEAT for Wade? Sign and trade.

WTF, at this point Love > Wade.

Wade is a veteran min type of player (for Cavs at least).

Love will find his game in Cleveland next season (i hope so :oldlol: )

[Alan Ogg]

So then Wade is going to go to Cleveland for 3 million? Doesn't make sense.

[Alan Ogg]

Sign Wade, trade for Love. Trade Dragic / Winslow / future 1st rounder to OKC for Westbrook.

HEAT 2016 - 2017 starting line-up:
Westbrook / J Rich / Love / Bosh / Whiteside

[HeyMarkus]

Sign Wade, trade for Love. Trade Dragic / Winslow / future 1st rounder to OKC for Westbrook.

HEAT 2016 - 2017 starting line-up:
Westbrook / J Rich / Love / Bosh / Whiteside
As a cavs fan, I will ****ing lose my shit if we trade Kevin love for ****ingdwayne wade. We better ****in not make such a stupid and emotional god damn trade

[Meticode]

So then Wade is going to go to Cleveland for 3 million? Doesn't make sense.
The expectation is that if they were to acquire Wade that Love would certainly have to be moved and probably another 1-2 players.

[SavageMode]

Love for Melo

[Rocketswin2013]

what the ****

[alanLA92]

If this happens, I wonder how the fan reactions will be. Not as good as the Durant ones have been in the last 2 days but still.

[aj1987]

If this happens, I wonder how the fan reactions will be. Not as good as the Durant ones have been in the last 2 days but still.
I don't see Wade giving up 10's of millions just to win a ring.

[HeyMarkus]

The expectation is that if they were to acquire Wade that Love would certainly have to be moved and probably another 1-2 players.
Well then they should ****ing keep him. I want wade but not at the cost of Kevin Love, and definitely not Kevin love and then some

[alanLA92]

I don't see Wade giving up 10's of millions just to win a ring.

He won't. But the the possible reactions is makes me curious. Lol

[LilEddyCurry]

Sign Wade, then trade Love and Shump for Cousins.

[GrapeApe]

I'm not sure why the Cavs would even pursue this. They can't realistically afford Wade and it doesn't make much sense from a basketball perspective. The funny thing is, when this is over and Wade inevitably signs with the Heat, the same people spreading these rumors will claim that it was always just a leverage move. Like they knew it all along.

[Meticode]

Riley will trade McRoberts away, Wade will get his 2-years $50 million. When it's all said and done I feel this is just leverage and Wade is playing hardball since he's never in this 13 year career been the highest paid player on the Heat. He's always taken pay cuts for the team since 2010.

[Kingwillball]

Riley will trade McRoberts away, Wade will get his 2-years $50 million. When it's all said and done I feel this is just leverage and Wade is playing hardball since he's never in this 13 year career been the highest paid player on the Heat. He's always taken pay cuts for the team since 2010.


Than Cavs will need to trade love as constructed they have little chance to beat new and improved Warriors..

[Meticode]

Than Cavs will need to trade love as constructed they have little chance to beat new and improved Warriors..
People have to see things through. Warriors were out-right suppose to win it last season.

[NZStreetBaller]

The NBA is just like the WWE. The only real difference is that the NBA has a basketball court and the WWE has a wrestling ring.

This.... theyre just maximising the power of the two most popular teams to create must watch games.... diversification is over.

[Solefade]

i'm not sure how Wade would fit on the Cavs X and O wise cus of his lack of 3pt shooting

[Uncle Drew]

I hope this goes through just to see the meltdowns.

[West-Side]

I hope this goes through just to see the meltdowns.

Why?

Durant, Green, Curry & Klay is clearly better than James, Love, Kyrie, and Wade.
Both from talent and chemistry perspective.

Kyrie/Wade/James are pretty redundant. GS have specific roles amongst their stars.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Why?

Durant, Green, Curry & Klay is clearly better than James, Love, Kyrie, and Wade.
Both from talent and chemistry perspective.

Kyrie/Wade/James are pretty redundant. GS have specific roles amongst their stars.
Golden states' talent was also clearly better last season. They lost their rim protection, and replaced it with lebron's personal toilet in KD.

[GrapeApe]

i'm not sure how Wade would fit on the Cavs X and O wise cus of his lack of 3pt shooting

It's just a bad fit all around and Wade certainly isn't coming off the bench. There's not a chance in hell he takes less money AND gives up a starting role. Nothing about the Cleveland rumors is remotely logical. I guess it makes for some entertaining conversation, but that's it.

[West-Side]

I hope this goes through just to see the meltdowns.

Why?

Durant, Green, Curry & Klay is clearly better than James, Love, Kyrie, and Wade.
Both from talent and chemistry perspective.

Kyrie/Wade/James are pretty redundant. GS have specific roles amongst their stars.

[Lebron23]

Golden states' talent was also clearly better last season. They lost their rim protection, and replaced it with lebron's personal toilet in KD.


This

Cavs in 6.

The NBA Finals proved that Curry is not in the same level as LeBron James. And Bogut is a much better fit than, and rim protector than Pachulia.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Than Cavs will need to trade love as constructed they have little chance to beat new and improved Warriors..
You need to grow some balls, junior

[Just2McFly]

Man i hope the cavs get wade and gasol and pummel these b*tch ass warriors.

[miggyme1]

Wade was the best scorer and playmaker in the RS. He was the best scorer, playmaker, and defender in the PO's. Without Wade, Miami would've been a lottery team.

That's basically the definition of carrying a team, "dumb fucc". You might want to look up the definition. While you're at it, get a dictionary as well, dumb****.

AutisticWater melting down as usual. :oldlol:


im not autisticwater so try again. without wade they still would of made the playoffs. not as a 3rd seed of course. I understand you being a wade dick rider and all but eventually you have to get off his dick and let your anus heal. That time is now kid.


Carried....LMAO. Go ahead and neg me bum Biitch. I'll be waiting. A p*ssy in wolfs clothing that cant debate for shit

[Dresta]

Where is this coming from? All i've heard is that Denver offered 2 years $50 mil, while Miami can only offer 40 without trades.

How the hell are the Cavs going to offer him $50 mil, or even 40?

[Velocirap31]

I wonder if 6 or 7 million after taxes is enough to lure him from Miami to Denver. He should pick Cleveland though. Miami will retire his jersey regardless and he can get another ring with Cleveland.

[aj1987]

without wade they still would of made the playoffs. not as a 3rd seed of course.
You think Miami's not going to lose more than 4 games without Wade? How many Heat games did you actually watch this season, retard? Wade was clutch AF in a couple of games and won them singlehandedly for the Heat. Dude averaged 19/4/5/1/1 on 47% and you think by taking that away Miami will more than 44 games? :oldlol:


I understand you being a wade dick rider and all but eventually you have to get off his dick and let your anus heal. That time is now kid. Carried....LMAO. Go ahead and neg me bum Biitch. I'll be waiting. A p*ssy in wolfs clothing that cant debate for shit
In short, you have no argument other than "but but take wade away and miami will make the playoffs".

Go back to sucking dick for pennies in the corners, you retarded inbred whore. Better yet, run into traffic or jump of a building. Your mom will be glad that her mistake of not swallowing you is finally gone.

[miggyme1]

You think Miami's not going to lose more than 4 games without Wade? How many Heat games did you actually watch this season, retard? Wade was clutch AF in a couple of games and won them singlehandedly for the Heat. Dude averaged 19/4/5/1/1 on 47% and you think by taking that away Miami will more than 44 games? :oldlol:


In short, you have no argument other than "but but take wade away and miami will make the playoffs".

Go back to sucking dick for pennies in the corners, you retarded inbred whore. Better yet, run into traffic or jump of a building. Your mom will be glad that her mistake of not swallowing you is finally gone.


AGAIN....you cant refute a thing I said because u have no debate skills. Heat would have made the playoffs without wade.......refute that......you cant.....:sleeping :sleeping

[Ben Simmons]

Where is this coming from? All i've heard is that Denver offered 2 years $50 mil, while Miami can only offer 40 without trades.

How the hell are the Cavs going to offer him $50 mil, or even 40?
Wade could take the vet min (not saying he will) Just that he could.

It's not impossible.

[GrapeApe]

AGAIN....you cant refute a thing I said because u have no debate skills. Heat would have made the playoffs without wade.......refute that......you cant.....:sleeping :sleeping

Have to disagree there. 3-8 was extremely tight so it wouldn't have taken much to fall out of the playoffs. Wade was was single-handedly responsible for 5-6 wins with his late-game heroics and probably a few more with his overall 4th quarter play. He kept the team afloat for stretches last season when they were struggling. Wade was also the primary facilitator for Whiteside. Nobody else was able to consistently get him easy scores like Wade.

[aj1987]

Have to disagree there. 3-8 was extremely tight so it wouldn't have taken much to fall out of the playoffs. Wade was was single-handedly responsible for 5-6 wins with his late-game heroics and probably a few more with his overall 4th quarter play. He kept the team afloat for stretches last season when they were struggling. Wade was also the primary facilitator for Whiteside. Nobody else was able to consistently get him easy scores like Wade.
AGAIN....you cant refute a thing I said because u have no debate skills. Heat would have made the playoffs without wade.......refute that......you cant..... :sleeping :sleeping



































































:roll: :roll: :roll:

I literally just posted something similar to what you posted and yet, the dude thinks that I do not have an argument.

[JT123]

AGAIN....you cant refute a thing I said because u have no debate skills. Heat would have made the playoffs without wade.......refute that......you cant..... :sleeping :sleeping

































































:roll: :roll: :roll:

I literally just posted something similar to what you posted and yet, the dude thinks that I do not have an argument.
Wade stan on Wade stan crime. :lol

[highwhey]

Where is this coming from? All i've heard is that Denver offered 2 years $50 mil, while Miami can only offer 40 without trades.

How the hell are the Cavs going to offer him $50 mil, or even 40?
it's bs. no credible source is on this.

[miggyme1]

AGAIN....you cant refute a thing I said because u have no debate skills. Heat would have made the playoffs without wade.......refute that......you cant..... :sleeping :sleeping



































































:roll: :roll: :roll:

I literally just posted something similar to what you posted and yet, the dude thinks that I do not have an argument.


still cant refute a thing I said.:facepalm


Go ahead and neg me again BUM B*TCH.

[miggyme1]

Have to disagree there. 3-8 was extremely tight so it wouldn't have taken much to fall out of the playoffs. Wade was was single-handedly responsible for 5-6 wins with his late-game heroics and probably a few more with his overall 4th quarter play. He kept the team afloat for stretches last season when they were struggling. Wade was also the primary facilitator for Whiteside. Nobody else was able to consistently get him easy scores like Wade.


You can disagree all you want to..without wade the heat still make the playoffs last season and with a healthy bosh next year and without wade they will make it. You will see when wade leaves. Then what will be the excuse?? bosh carried the team? **** outta here clowns. Big difference between being the best player on a team and CARRYING a team...when you kids learn the difference give me a call.

[SchrOEder]

did wade announce the date of his "decision"? i thought it would go fast, after KD joined the warriors

[GrapeApe]

You can disagree all you want to..without wade the heat still make the playoffs last season and with a healthy bosh next year and without wade they will make it. You will see when wade leaves. Then what will be the excuse?? bosh carried the team? **** outta here clowns. Big difference between being the best player on a team and CARRYING a team...when you kids learn the difference give me a call.

I never said he carried the team. He did at times in the playoffs, but I never insinuated that Wade was some kind of one-man show last season. I'm just saying the Heat wouldn't have made the playoffs without him. 43 wins would have been in the lottery, and Wade was directly responsible for a half dozen or so wins (just an estimate). Without Wade the Heat probably finish around .500 and miss the playoffs. I think that's a very fair statement.

[Klay 3D]

You can disagree all you want to..without wade the heat still make the playoffs last season and with a healthy bosh next year and without wade they will make it. You will see when wade leaves. Then what will be the excuse?? bosh carried the team? **** outta here clowns. Big difference between being the best player on a team and CARRYING a team...when you kids learn the difference give me a call.
Dragic
Green
Deng
Bosh/McRoberts
Whiteside

With Bosh out more than 1/3 of the season and JJ only coming there for Wade, that team wins no more than 50% of their games. Probably get swept by the Hornets without Wade. He literally carried the Heat in a lot of games. On a consistent basis? Not like he used to, but still shouldering most of the load most of the time. The Heat would be irrelevant without Wade this upcoming year, and then why would anyone want to sign there?...to be a part of a 30-40 win team with 3 core players making up like $70 million of the cap on a losing team?

Smart move for the Heat is to stick with their guns and hope Wade's heart overwhelms his mind which is likely to happen. Then move Dragic and McRoberts. Smart move for Wade is to just bolt out of south beach and make his money. His legacy is already cemented in Miami.

[aj1987]

Wade stan on Wade stan crime. :lol
I was being sarcastic. GrapeApe and I literally posted the same shit.


still cant refute a thing I said.


Go ahead and neg me again BUM B*TCH.
I did, you retarded little bitch.

You think Miami's not going to lose more than 4 games without Wade? How many Heat games did you actually watch this season, retard? Wade was clutch AF in a couple of games and won them singlehandedly for the Heat. Dude averaged 19/4/5/1/1 on 47% and you think by taking that away Miami will more than 44 games?


Negs are deactivated, BTW, you cocksucking ****.

[Hizack]

You spelt Bulls wrong.

[Lebron23]

Thank God it didn't happen. JR Smith is a better fit than Wade.

[miggyme1]

I was being sarcastic. GrapeApe and I literally posted the same shit.


I did, you retarded little bitch.

You think Miami's not going to lose more than 4 games without Wade? How many Heat games did you actually watch this season, retard? Wade was clutch AF in a couple of games and won them singlehandedly for the Heat. Dude averaged 19/4/5/1/1 on 47% and you think by taking that away Miami will more than 44 games?


Negs are deactivated, BTW, you cocksucking ****.


still waiting on you to neg me like the b*tch you are. And im still waiting on you to refute my initial statement. wade just got traded to the bulls. I bet the heat make the playoffs next year...WITHOUT wade....I wonder if the bulls will.....wade is gonna carry them right? LMAO. Another bum destroyed.

[aj1987]

still waiting on you to neg me like the b*tch you are. And im still waiting on you to refute my initial statement. wade just got traded to the bulls. I bet the heat make the playoffs next year...WITHOUT wade....I wonder if the bulls will.....wade is gonna carry them right? LMAO. Another bum destroyed.
And why do you think I would bet against the Heat making the PO's? I'm a Heat fan, you moth breathing retard. Honestly, you might be the only person in the world who believes that Heat wouldn't lose any more than 4 games without Wade. :facepalm

As I said, go back to sucking cocks for pennies, ******.

[miggyme1]

And why do you think I would bet against the Heat making the PO's? I'm a Heat fan, you moth breathing retard. Honestly, you might be the only person in the world who believes that Heat wouldn't lose any more than 4 games without Wade. :facepalm

As I said, go back to sucking cocks for pennies, ******.


will u hurry up and neg me b*tch????

and you still haven't refuted anything...bulls make the playoffs next year with wade carrying them???

HE CANT ANSWER IT.

HURRY UP AND NEG ME B*TCH

[aj1987]

will u hurry up and neg me b*tch????

and you still haven't refuted anything...bulls make the playoffs next year with wade carrying them???

HE CANT ANSWER IT.

HURRY UP AND NEG ME B*TCH
Negged. Now go back to your corner, slut.

[miggyme1]

Negged. Now go back to your corner, slut.


exactly..a p*ssy in wolfs clothing. Enjoy rooting for the heat next season.....I mean bulls. Dick riding hoe

[aj1987]

exactly..a p*ssy in wolfs clothing. Enjoy rooting for the heat next season.....I mean bulls. Dick riding hoe
Make sense for once in your like, corner slut. You might jump teams like the ****** you are, but I'll stick with the Heat. Always have.

[miggyme1]

Make sense for once in your like, corner slut. You might jump teams like the ****** you are, but I'll stick with the Heat. Always have.


a lie. When I first joined ISH 90 percent of your posts were about LeBron and the cavs. Now u a heat fan? the lies kids tell. Neg me b*tch. u getting exposed.

[aj1987]

a lie. When I first joined ISH 90 percent of your posts were about LeBron and the cavs. Now u a heat fan? the lies kids tell. Neg me b*tch. u getting exposed.
Probably half my posts are about Wade and the Heat and around 20% are in GT's. Keep trolling though, alt ***.

[Meticode]

I'm kind of glad the Cavs didn't get him. I didn't want to majorly change the team to begin with. And the fact that Irving is number 14 in usage rate, LeBron was 7th and Wade was 8th. Just not enough time to have the ball in all their hands.

I really like the Dunleavy addition and Jefferson resigning. Now we just need to get J.R. resigned and hopefully get 1 big and 1 PG.

[miggyme1]

Probably half my posts are about Wade and the Heat and around 20% are in GT's. Keep trolling though, alt ***.


I joined ISH in 2011 dummy...I said when I FIRST JOINED ish 90 percent of your posts were about LeBron........I didn't say now...im sure 5 years later half of your posts are about wade..i agree with you there but I said when I first joined you fuccing idiot.


Neg me b*tch. Im exposing your azz.

Now you a bulls fan. Go figure. A fuccing bum. I was born a heat fan u b*tch...I was sporting a Harold miner jersey before you ever thought about being born.

You aint fooling nobody. I bet you already bought a wade bulls jersey. Dick riding scum.

[aj1987]

I joined ISH in 2011 dummy...I said when I FIRST JOINED ish 90 percent of your posts were about LeBron........I didn't say now...im sure 5 years later half of your posts are about wade..i agree with you there but I said when I first joined you fuccing idiot.


Neg me b*tch. Im exposing your azz.

Now you a bulls fan. Go figure. A fuccing bum. I was born a heat fan u b*tch...I was sporting a Harold miner jersey before you ever thought about being born.

You aint fooling nobody. I bet you already bought a wade bulls jersey. Dick riding scum.
I joined in '13, retarded shit. I didn't have an account when you "first joined". Moron.

[miggyme1]

I joined in '13, retarded shit. I didn't have an account when you "first joined". Moron.


so you gonna act like aj1987 isn't your alt?? yea this guy is fuccing nuts. Keep with the lies kids

[aj1987]

so you gonna act like aj1987 isn't your alt?? yea this guy is fuccing nuts. Keep with the lies kids
The melt continues.