Caught on cell phone: Man shot 5 times by police officers for selling BOOTLEG DVD'S

[Bosnian Sajo]

A Baton Rouge man "Alton Sterling" was shot by police multiple times in the chest and back, according to the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner's Office. Investigators are still working to piece together what prompted the fatal officer-involved shooting that resulted in the death of Alton Sterling, 37. The coroner's office released the cause of death, but no other details have been released at this time. The shooting happened at roughly 12:30 a.m. after police say they were contacted about a man who was carrying a gun and selling CDs. R.I.P. Alton Sterling.

Video: http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/96112


****ed up, especially considering how Louisiana's Blue Lives Matter bill became a law in May, meaning these assholes are most likely protected...In short, this law is to "protect" police officers, making Louisiana the first state in the nation where public safety workers are considered a protected class under hate-crime law.


Read more about "Blue lives matter" law here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/26/louisianas-blue-lives-matter-bill-just-became-law/?utm_term=.9359bddd5c9a

I don't know what their excuse could be for KILLING the man...they had 3 officers on him, pinned down..why the **** they shot him 5 times, execution style??

2nd Video, different angle. **** 9er : http://www.worldstaruncut.com/uncut/96137

[Jameerthefear]

pigs

[Nilocon165]

pigs
Beat me to it

[iamgine]

you shouldnt sell bootleg dvds. its against the law.

[9erempiree]

I'm going to reserve judgement till they can prove the man did not have a gun.

[9erempiree]

So it looks like he did have a gun and why didn't he just surrender and submit to the officers? It's the mentality of these people who think they are above the law. It's a trickle down effect when they see their Dear Leaders being above the law.

This video is proof that criminals can easily obtain a gun.

[Rolando]

That's one big negative about being able to carry a firearm: The police automatically have an excuse to shoot and kill you.

[9erempiree]

That's one big negative about being able to carry a firearm: The police automatically have an excuse to shoot and kill you.

Yes if you are a criminal.

Most concealed weapons holder would straight tell the officer first if an encounter was to occur.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE]Officers responded to the store about 12:35 a.m. Tuesday after an anonymous caller suggested a man selling music CDs and wearing a red shirt threatened him with a gun, said Cpl. L

[UK2K]

That's one big negative about being able to carry a firearm: The police automatically have an excuse to shoot and kill you.

When I get pulled over, the first thing I do is tell the officer there's a gun in my glove box, or holstered next to my seat.

They'll say 'hey, for my safety, can I unload it?'. You say 'yeah, no problem'. You step out, they'll reach in, unload it, sit it on top of your car, and then you proceed to have a normal conversation.

It's only the ones who think they are too cool for school that get shot.

[CavsLebronMo]

Oh, A felon pedophile who was illegally armed, resisted arrest multiple times and continued to struggle after being tazed? We should definitely turn this into a civil rights issue!

[Facepalm]

Another case of 'why didn't he just sit down like he was asked to do in the beginning'.

Of course the video could show a completely different story, but to me, this is another example of someone who is now dead because of their own ignorance, or pride, or stupidity, whatever you want to call it.


Spot on. Wanted to act like a tough guy, now he's dead. He gets no sympathy from me.

[Patrick Chewing]

Video doesn't show anything. Horrible camera work.

[Dictator]

I don't think ISH understands what a police officers job is... Their job is to serve and protect the public.

You guys really won't get it until the public evolves into a state of anarchy.

[SCREWstonRockets]

you can open carry in Louisiana without a permit, as long as you are of age (17). but if you are black, I don't recommend it as you see what can happen.

None of this needed to result in deadly force.

[UK2K]

you can open carry in Louisiana without a permit, as long as you are of age (17). but if you are black, I don't recommend it as you see what can happen.

None of this needed to result in deadly force.

It didn't until he refused an officers orders, and then tried to fight them over it. At that point, you are confrontational, and have a gun.

All bets are off.

If it were me, I'd just do like they said, get my ticket, and go on about my day. But he's clearly too gangsta for that. Or... WAS too gangsta for that.

[Dictator]

It didn't until he refused an officers orders, and then tried to fight them over it. At that point, you are confrontational, and have a gun.

All bets are off.

If it were me, I'd just do like they said, get my ticket, and go on about my day. But he's clearly too gangsta for that. Or... WAS too gangsta for that.


Excuses

[UK2K]

Excuses

Excuses for.... what?

For why he didn't do as he was told? Do that, that simple task, and he's alive. That's all he had to do.

That's it. But he couldn't. So now he's dead.

Stupidity is not an excuse.

[bdreason]

He didn't deserve to die.

But the video looked liked an armed felon, ignoring police orders, then resisting arrest. If he lays on the car and cooperates, he doesn't die.

[SCREWstonRockets]

so why doesn't everyone who resist arrest, get shot and killed? how the hell did other police officers resist the urge to shot a suspect that does not want to cooperate? because not everybody that resist arrest, gets killed.

[Facepalm]

I don't think ISH understands what a police officers job is... Their job is to serve and protect the public.

You guys really won't get it until the public evolves into a state of anarchy.
That's exactly what the police was doing moron. Someone (the public) reported this guy was threatening people with a gun. Cops came to investigate. If we would have cooperated, he would have been alive. Instead, he decided to resist and struggle with the cops, while he had a gun in his possession. Cops had every right to shoot him.

Oh, but he was black, so of course he was just a victim of police brutality. "He was just a big 'ol teddy bear, he never hurt no one!!"

GTFO here.

[Facepalm]

so why doesn't everyone who resist arrest, get shot and killed? how the hell did other police officers resist the urge to shot a suspect that does not want to cooperate? because not everybody that resist arrest, gets killed.
Does everyone who resists arrest have a gun in their possession? Are all cops Captain America now where they can safely disarm criminals without harm to themselves or others?

[Bosnian Sajo]

That's exactly what the police was doing moron. Someone (the public) reported this guy was threatening people with a gun. Cops came to investigate. If we would have cooperated, he would have been alive. Instead, he decided to resist and struggle with the cops, while he had a gun in his possession. Cops had every right to shoot him.

Oh, but he was black, so of course he was just a victim of police brutality. "He was just a big 'ol teddy bear, he never hurt no one!!"

GTFO here.

No one's claiming that you idiot, watch the video. They tackle him down to the ground, 3 officers have him pinned, and they shoot at him 5 times. That's the problem we have...

[UK2K]

No one's claiming that you idiot, watch the video. They tackle him down to the ground, 3 officers have him pinned, and they shoot at him 5 times. That's the problem we have...

You can reach for a gun on the ground.

[Facepalm]

No one's claiming that you idiot, watch the video. They tackle him down to the ground, 3 officers have him pinned, and they shoot at him 5 times. That's the problem we have...


:oldlol: That's EXACTLY what his aunt said when she was interviewed. When they asked her about his probation and why he had a gun when he wasn't supposed to she dodged the question.

[L.Kizzle]

Wasn't he cuffed on the ground when they shot him ... 5 times. About that. Once wasn't enough, but 5. They basically made sure he was dead.

[Bosnian Sajo]

:oldlol: That's EXACTLY what his aunt said when she was interviewed. When they asked her about his probation and why he had a gun when he wasn't supposed to she dodged the question.


That's not an excuse to kill a man, what exactly are you arguing here?

[Real Men Wear Green]

The main question is whether or not excessive force was used, not his past criminal history. So the cops confiscating the store video without a warrant is a big deal. The cell phone video doesn't show the cop to be in danger and them taking the video is suspect. Not going to assume guilt with so little intel but at the very least an independent investigation is called for.

Seeing his son cry was pretty heartbreaking.

[Facepalm]

That's not an excuse to kill a man, what exactly are you arguing here?
I'm replying to YOUR bolded quote. Do try to keep up.

[Dictator]

That's exactly what the police was doing moron. Someone (the public) reported this guy was threatening people with a gun. Cops came to investigate. If we would have cooperated, he would have been alive. Instead, he decided to resist and struggle with the cops, while he had a gun in his possession. Cops had every right to shoot him."

GTFO here.

False.

You're not protecting the public by killing someone in a situation where they shouldn't have been killed. :hammerhead:

[Bosnian Sajo]

I'm replying to YOUR bolded quote. Do try to keep up.


Again, not an excuse to shoot someone 5 times, killing them on the spot. You've been on the internet far too long, go take a walk.

[Dictator]

Excuses for.... what?

For why he didn't do as he was told? Do that, that simple task, and he's alive. That's all he had to do.

That's it. But he couldn't. So now he's dead.

Stupidity is not an excuse.

If non-compliance = execution then half of every police stop in the US would end in death. You're simply making excuses.

[Facepalm]

False.

You're not protecting the public by killing someone in a situation where they shouldn't have been killed. :hammerhead:


He had a gun and he was struggling with the cops. It's a situation where he could have easily shot someone. JUSTIFIABLE.

[UK2K]

If non-compliance = execution then half of every police stop in the US would end in death. You're simply making excuses.

And your taking 1/10th of what I said and trying to make an argument over it.

Try reading the WHOLE argument, and then replying.

Let's do it this way...

Is getting into a fist fight with officers while in possession of a gun after pointing said gun at others reason enough to be shot? In my opinion, yes.

What's your opinion?

[Facepalm]

Also, the cops attempted to use non lethal force first. They tased him and it had no effect, so it's not like pulling their guns was the cop's first reaction.

[Dictator]

He had a gun and he was struggling with the cops. It's a situation where he could have easily shot someone. JUSTIFIABLE.

So you're telling me, two officers with a pinned down man couldn't take him out non-lethally?

[UK2K]

Wasn't he cuffed on the ground when they shot him ... 5 times. About that. Once wasn't enough, but 5. They basically made sure he was dead.

No he wasn't. Stop spreading lies.

[UK2K]

No one's claiming that you idiot, watch the video. They tackle him down to the ground, 3 officers have him pinned, and they shoot at him 5 times. That's the problem we have...

No they didn't.

Stop spreading lies.

[Dictator]

And your taking 1/10th of what I said and trying to make an argument over it.

Try reading the WHOLE argument, and then replying.

Let's do it this way...

Is getting into a fist fight with officers while in possession of a gun after pointing said gun at others reason enough to be shot? In my opinion, yes.
What's your opinion?

False.

[UK2K]

So you're telling me, two officers with a pinned down man couldn't take him out non-lethally?

They tried that with a taser, it didn't work.

Sometimes it doesn't. It's not fool proof and it's not 100%.

You just got into a fight with a guy, who you now see has a gun; as an officer, you'd pull out your pepper spray I'm sure. :oldlol:

Tell me more about what they should have done.

[UK2K]

False

Welp, to each their own. You'd make a stand-up officer.

But the law, and a court, would disagree with you.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Does everyone who resists arrest have a gun in their possession? Are all cops Captain America now where they can safely disarm criminals without harm to themselves or others?

are you saying an unarmed suspect has never been shot & killed, resisting arrest? :lol

[Facepalm]

So you're telling me, two officers with a pinned down man couldn't take him out non-lethally?
:oldlol:

You just tased some big ol teddy bear, he doesnt go down, you and your partner are trying to subdue him and having a tough go at it, then you find him with a gun. Whatcha gonna do Batman? I guess the cops should have Vulcan neck pinched him into submission.

[Facepalm]

are you saying an unarmed suspect has never been shot & killed, resisting arrest? :lol
I'm sorry are we talking about this case, or another one? Stay on topic son.

[UK2K]

Can we all agree this guy wouldn't be dead if he'd have done as he was told?

That's not too much to ask, right? We can all agree on that much. Had he acted like 99.9% of other people who interact with an officer, he'd be alive.

Just want to make sure everyone is starting from the same point. Throwing that out there.

[Dictator]

From 00:15 to the end of the video. There's no way you can say there was no chance to non lethally take him out. Do I really have to post the frames image by image?

[Facepalm]

From 00:15 to the end of the video. There's no way you can say there was no chance to non lethally take him out. Do I really have to post the frames image by image?

Can you also say that there's no way to guarantee that the teddy bear couldn't possibly reach his gun?


I'm done typing out replies, I'm just gonna let UK2K speak for me on this issue.



Can we all agree this guy wouldn't be dead if he'd have done as he was told?

That's not too much to ask, right? We can all agree on that much.

Just want to make sure everyone is starting from the same point.

[Dictator]

Can we all agree this guy wouldn't be dead if he'd have done as he was told?

That's not too much to ask, right? We can all agree on that much. Had he acted like 99.9% of other people who interact with an officer, he'd be alive.

Just want to make sure everyone is starting from the same point. Throwing that out there.

As others have said. Non-compliance happens a lot, but it doesn't justify killing someone. Keep repeating the same excuses. :facepalm

[UK2K]

I'm done typing out replies, I'm just gonna let UK2K speak for me on this issue.

Heh, I'm done too.

It's difficult to explain what you should and shouldn't do to people who think they have all the answers.

If a cop ****s up, I'll call them out. But from what I saw, and read, this seems to be justified.

The people in Baton Rouge are just using this as an excuse to riot; a very small number of them may use this as an excuse to skip work.

[UK2K]

As others have said. Non-compliance happens a lot, but it doesn't justify killing someone. Keep repeating the same excuses. :facepalm

And you continue to make shit up, because I never said it did.

[SCREWstonRockets]

I'm sorry are we talking about this case, or another one? Stay on topic son.

umm you quoted me about a general statement I made about resisting = killed

[Dictator]

Can we all agree this guy wouldn't be dead if he'd have done as he was told?

That's not too much to ask, right? We can all agree on that much. Had he acted like 99.9% of other people who interact with an officer, he'd be alive.

Just want to make sure everyone is starting from the same point. Throwing that out there.



As others have said. Non-compliance happens a lot, but it doesn't justify killing someone. Keep repeating the same excuses. :facepalm


And you continue to make shit up, because I never said it did.


:rolleyes:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Heh, I'm done too.

It's difficult to explain what you should and shouldn't do to people who think they have all the answers.

If a cop ****s up, I'll call them out. But from what I saw, and read, this seems to be justified.

The people in Baton Rouge are just using this as an excuse to riot; a very small number of them may use this as an excuse to skip work.
I would believe this if I had EVER seen you criticize a police officer before

This one doesn't boil my blood really, not as bad as the Garner case

[UK2K]

I would believe this if I had EVER seen you criticize a police officer before

This one doesn't boil my blood really, not as bad as the Garner case

Really...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-kd2iWQRQ

Exhibit A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LNO_y9Dge4

Exhibit B.

Want more? I call it like I see it. Both of these officers deserve to be in jail.

Wasn't there just a thread on a kid who got tased for way too long? Pretty sure the officer was sentenced to four years when I said it should have been 8.

Selective memory.

[UK2K]

:rolleyes:
Non-compliance =/= fist fighting with officers.

He's dead because he's too gangsta to be told what to do. **** the popo, amirite? Probably had that blasting out his car windows when they pulled up.

Bet he wishes he could go back and do it again now, huh?

[KyrieTheFuture]

Really...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS-kd2iWQRQ

Exhibit A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LNO_y9Dge4

Exhibit B.

Want more? I call it like I see it. Both of these officers deserve to be in jail.

Wasn't there just a thread on a kid who got tased for way too long? Pretty sure the officer was sentenced to four years when I said it should have been 8.

Selective memory.
Well, sorry I'm unaware of how you feel about youtube videos. I can only go based on what I've seen. And you've been on the cops side on the Gray, Garner, Martin, and this case that I know of. That's 4/4 on the blue side. I can't be held responsible for being aware of opinions you hold off of ISH.

[UK2K]

Well, sorry I'm unaware of how you feel about youtube videos. I can only go based on what I've seen. And you've been on the cops side on the Gray, Garner, Martin, and this case that I know of. That's 4/4 on the blue side. I can't be held responsible for being aware of opinions you hold off of ISH.
Thus far, the first three cases have all been... non-cases.

I'm batting 100%. ;)

[Richie2k6]

Gotta love 'Murica.

[L.Kizzle]

They just released another video this one more clear. Things aren't adding up.
A cop is heard yelling get on the ground. But he's already on the ground remember, they tackled him. Seems fishy.

[Hotlantadude81]

The Cops look pretty damn guilty on this one.

[UK2K]

They just released another video this one more clear. Things aren't adding up.
A cop is heard yelling get on the ground. But he's already on the ground remember, they tackled him. Seems fishy.
There's a reason they do that.

[UK2K]

Welp, saw the second video, shown from a different angle...

That's murder.

For one, if he's got a gun and you fear for your life, you back away from the suspect. Create space. Get off and back away. The gun will shoot for hundreds of feet, you dont need to be six inches for it to be effective. You don't pull your gun out and stick it into his chest where he could grab it.

Secondly, he's real, real lucky the suspect didn't grab his arm after the initial shots, otherwise, he's shooting his partner.

Sucks to see it, because I know what it's like, but as an officer you are expected, when all else fails, to resort back to your training, and he didn't.

He's going to jail.

[KOBEtherealKing]

I can see why Jameer is sticking up for him, he's a registered sex offender. But OP is just a beta ***** who probably got his feelings hurt by a cop scolding for something his parents should have done long ago.

He wasn't killed for selling DVDs you dumbass. He was killed for waving a gun around, threatening people with it, then resisting arrest and not telling the officers that he was indeed armed thus freaking out when they find the gun on his person. This is like saying Michael Brown was killed for jaywalking all over again.

Time to wipe your nose OP, and grow a pair.

Darwin Award winner, and a criminal to boot.. Let's move on.

You're an idiot stfu. And you must be white or non poc to sit here and say this shit. People always bring up someone's criminal record to justify what happens.

[KOBEtherealKing]

And people are really saying if he wouldn't have or if he would've done this.... Man shut the entire **** up. There are plenty of times where black people were killed DOING WHAT THEY WERE TOLD. :facepalm let me leave this white washed section and go to a real political forum because this is laughable going into all these basketball forum off topic sections and seeing what people are saying.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Welp, saw the second video, shown from a different angle...

That's murder.

For one, if he's got a gun and you fear for your life, you back away from the suspect. Create space. Get off and back away. The gun will shoot for hundreds of feet, you dont need to be six inches for it to be effective. You don't pull your gun out and stick it into his chest where he could grab it.

Secondly, he's real, real lucky the suspect didn't grab his arm after the initial shots, otherwise, he's shooting his partner.

Sucks to see it, because I know what it's like, but as an officer you are expected, when all else fails, to resort back to your training, and he didn't.

He's going to jail.

Idk how you could of argued against it even with just the first video, but this second video shows that the black guy wasn't resisting (both arms down) and I didn't see a gun in his hand...at all..no discussions to be had, blues guilty as shit. Killed a man FOR NOTHING. I'll update the OP to include the 2nd video once I get home.

At least you own up to it I guess, but don't be so quick to defend police, especially from a place like Baton Rouge where the cops are known to shoot first, ask second.

[UK2K]

Idk how you could of argued against it even with just the first video, but this second video shows that the black guy wasn't resisting (both arms down) and I didn't see a gun in his hand...at all..no discussions to be had, blues guilty as shit. Killed a man FOR NOTHING. I'll update the OP to include the 2nd video once I get home.

At least you own up to it I guess, but don't be so quick to defend police, especially from a place like Baton Rouge where the cops are known to shoot first, ask second.
Well, that's because the first video was at a different angle.

From the first angle, you couldn't determine where the suspects left hand was, or how close it was relative to where the gun was. He was resisting, clinching up is resisting, whether you like it or not, and the court calls that resisting as well.

Also, the gun wasn't in his hand, it looked the handle of the gun was exposed, which means it's out, and, it's within arms reach. That's a threat.

Nowhere do I know of where the policy is shoot first, ask later. That's you just letting your emotions guide your intelligence. I defended the cop because it's not human nature to shoot someone in the chest for no reason. You can tell he immediately regretted what he did. No, not because he thought of the lynch mob. He realized he just killed someone, and that his life is over.

There's 13,000,000 interactions with officers every year, and one hundredth of one thousandth percent ever involved and officer drawing his weapon. It's just not a normal thing to do.

I'm sure he saw that gun, and immediately he thought he was going to die. You and I know, from behind our computer screens, that he wasn't in imminent danger. From his point of view, on top of a large man with (don't know if they knew before) prior convictions for assault, among numerous things, he probably freaked out.

His first reaction was to grab his gun. That's a big no-no.

[sd3035]

By the sounds of things this guy won't be missed by society. Cops shouldn't be murdering people though

[Dictator]

This second angle just ended all of you guys excuses. Point blank murder.

[GOBB]

Skimmed through replies. Gotta love the mentality of some of you here. Sound exactly like dbag cops. Lets post all the videos of white people literally fighting cops (resisting arrest) by swinging on them, wrestling. How about the ones with weapons that are somehow taken into custody alive? 2 grown men cops ontop of one guy and it makes perfect sense to just shot and kill the guy with a couple shots point blank range. But lets expose the guys criminal history. Yeah, lets speak on that because he deserved to die. Crazy part is a lot of you tools views/opinions on subjects like this? I'm willing to bet money you aren't as open with this offline as you are on. Idiot cops like those two have no defense and make good cops who handle situations like this the right way look bad. Just mind boggling how some are quick to justify this murder because that is what it was.

[UK2K]

Skimmed through replies. Gotta love the mentality of some of you here. Sound exactly like dbag cops. Lets post all the videos of white people literally fighting cops (resisting arrest) by swinging on them, wrestling. How about the ones with weapons that are somehow taken into custody alive? 2 grown men cops ontop of one guy and it makes perfect sense to just shot and kill the guy with a couple shots point blank range. But lets expose the guys criminal history. Yeah, lets speak on that because he deserved to die. Crazy part is a lot of you tools views/opinions on subjects like this? I'm willing to bet money you aren't as open with this offline as you are on. Idiot cops like those two have no defense and make good cops who handle situations like this the right way look bad. Just mind boggling how some are quick to justify this murder because that is what it was.
You should READ the replies next time.

[9erempiree]

Where is this supposed second video?

[GOBB]

You should READ the replies next time.

You justified the killing. Then later on eat shit and saw what most people saw initially. You're an idiot when it comes to things of this nature. Run right to the rescue of dbag cops. Real clown like, go honk your nose for me. :rolleyes:

Then this whole "Why cant people just do what you're told". You don't even have common sense to even have a discussion about the relation with cops and citizens. How its broken and there is none. You dont speak about the lack of trust communities have with some idiots with badges (you could be one). Maybe just maybe if cops held other cops accountable. If cops repaired broke relationships with the communities they protected that things would have better outcomes.

Yet after this video where a guy is blatantly murdered you want someone to comply. You give that no thought whatsoever. If the guy was white he would be alive right now. Facts. Hey white people be disrespectful, disobey, dont adhere to a cops orders. Nothing will happen. Wave your weapons nothing will happen. Black male? Justfied death he is a criminal and I dont get why people dont listen to cops. :rolleyes:

[GOBB]

Where is this supposed second video?

Ask that prick UK2K for it. Yanno the guy who ran in here justifying the death. Arguing up a storm to others who saw otherwise. Pretty sure he has it.


This guy...



Another case of 'why didn't he just sit down like he was asked to do in the beginning'.

Of course the video could show a completely different story, but to me, this is another example of someone who is now dead because of their own ignorance, or pride, or stupidity, whatever you want to call it.

Jackass.

[9erempiree]

I'm going to say this is a justifiable shooting till there is proof that no gun was involved.

They have his gun.

[GOBB]

I'm going to say this is a justifiable shooting till there is proof that no gun was involved.

They have his gun.

You're another idiot. And these two cops were said to have body cams. Let me ask you something, can we see footage from their POV?

[9erempiree]

Here are the facts from the video:

-Officers take down a man.

-Man still moving and resisting the officers.

-There is a gun involved.

-Police will and did shoot.

This is how they are trained.

[Bosnian Sajo]

OP updated, 2nd video is up.

[9erempiree]

The entire premise of this thread is to educate people to obey and listen to a law enforcement officer's command.

This thread wasn't created to justify the shooting or condemn the cops.

It is made to educate people on how not to act in front of authority.

DO NOT RESIST.

[west_tip]

I've been saying this for the longest: Every time there is an officer related shooting there needs to be a DOJ investigation or some oversight from the Federal govt.

From an article I read a couple years ago police departments are not obligated to even inform the Federal govt. when their officers fire their weapons and the Feds for their part do not even keep a database of police shootings. It's ludicrous.

Look, I'm the first guy to defend law enforcement because it is a difficult, dangerous and thankless job and the overwhelming majority of cops are good, competent officers but they have to stop catering toward the lowest common denominator in their ranks. All told the bad cops do the good cops a disservice and make their jobs harder rather than easier by destroying the trust people have in their uniform.

Notwithstanding the actual painful tragedy of someone needlessly losing their Dad/brother/uncle/son police killings cost the taxpayer tens of millions in settlements with the victims families.

Like I said I recognize that the cops have a tough job but executing someone at point blank range is unjustifiable on every level.

[Doomsday Dallas]

OP updated, 2nd video is up.


Damn... that's hard to watch.


looked like the first shot was an accident to me...

and that caused a chain reaction... for the cops to fire more shots.



idk.

[Dictator]

The entire premise of this thread is to educate people to obey and listen to a law enforcement officer's command.

This thread wasn't created to justify the shooting or condemn the cops.

It is made to educate people on how not to act in front of authority.

DO NOT RESIST.


He was laying point blank on the ground with his hands open complying...:facepalm

[9erempiree]

The Black dude popped off two shots so the cops popped off two at him.

This is what I'm seeing and hearing from the video.

[9erempiree]

Damn... that's hard to watch.


looked like the first shot was an accident to me...

and that caused a chain reaction... for the cops to fire more shots.



idk.

This is exactly what I saw and hear. Two shots popped off.

Then cops popped off two.

EDIT: 3 SHOTS ON 2 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS

[97 bulls]

You justified the killing. Then later on eat shit and saw what most people saw initially. You're an idiot when it comes to things of this nature. Run right to the rescue of dbag cops. Real clown like, go honk your nose for me. :rolleyes:

Then this whole "Why cant people just do what you're told". You don't even have common sense to even have a discussion about the relation with cops and citizens. How its broken and there is none. You dont speak about the lack of trust communities have with some idiots with badges (you could be one). Maybe just maybe if cops held other cops accountable. If cops repaired broke relationships with the communities they protected that things would have better outcomes.

Yet after this video where a guy is blatantly murdered you want someone to comply. You give that no thought whatsoever. If the guy was white he would be alive right now. Facts. Hey white people be disrespectful, disobey, dont adhere to a cops orders. Nothing will happen. Wave your weapons nothing will happen. Black male? Justfied death he is a criminal and I dont get why people dont listen to cops. :rolleyes:
They were posting the arrest record of the father of the kid that fell into that gorilla enclosure.

[L.Kizzle]

Damn... that's hard to watch.


looked like the first shot was an accident to me...

and that caused a chain reaction... for the cops to fire more shots.



idk.
Onr shot is a accident. There was supposedly 6 shots.

[9erempiree]

Thomas Sotomayor even said it was justifiable and he's a pro-Black activist and a regional community leader.

[97 bulls]

But I must say that I respect a person that can change their mind when presented with facts. Y2K2 could've easily ducked out and not responded.

[Dictator]

Thomas Sotomayor even said it was justifiable and he's a pro-Black activist and a regional community leader.

To tell you the truth, you really sound dumb as shit. You can't even troll properly.

[97 bulls]

Thomas Sotomayor even said it was justifiable and he's a pro-Black activist and a regional community leader.
Get this jackass out of here. Nothing is funny. A man is dead due to the cowardly acts of "law enforcement".

[97 bulls]

To tell you the truth, you really sound dumb as hell.
Sound?????

[9erempiree]

So 3 shots from suspect and 3 by police officers.

That is justifiable if a gun goes off in that proximity.

You have no time to evaluate the situation at that point.

[9erempiree]

To tell you the truth, you really sound dumb as shit. You can't even troll properly.
:facepalm

Go watch his latest show.

[Doomsday Dallas]

My thinking is... (and it's hard to tell for sure)....


the Cop on top of him accidentally gripped his pistol too hard.


You can only grip the pistol with three fingers. He accidentally squeezed
with his trigger finger. (maybe he thought his safety was on?)


and like I said... it caused a chain reaction from the other cop.
And ultimately caused the cop who accidentally fired the shot
to fire off a few more... which is why he yelled f*ck so loud.



what was pulled from his pocket? (in the 2nd video) A gun?

[bdreason]

I don't think the 2nd video is clear cut at all. The guy was still resisting with his right arm, possibly grabbing for a gun? I think the conviction will come down to whether or not the suspects gun was fired... because it sounded like a gun shot went off before you see the police shoot him. I also found it strange how one of the cops fell over the front of the suspect. There's no way he did that on purpose. He's lucky he didn't get shot by the other cop. I mean, if you were going to purposefully just try to kill someone, that's about the most risky way to go about it.

[9erempiree]

I don't think the 2nd video is clear cut at all. The guy was still resisting with his right arm, possibly grabbing for a gun? I think the conviction will come down to whether or not the suspects gun was fired... because it sounded like a gun shot went off before you see the police shoot him. I also found it strange how one of the cops fell over the front of the suspect. There's no way he did that on purpose. He's lucky he didn't get shot by the other cop. I mean, if you were going to purposefully just try to kill someone, that's about the most risky way to go about it.

Thank you.

[L.Kizzle]

I don't think the 2nd video is clear cut at all. The guy was still resisting with his right arm, possibly grabbing for a gun? I think the conviction will come down to whether or not the suspects gun was fired... because it sounded like a gun shot went off before you see the police shoot him. I also found it strange how one of the cops fell over the front of the suspect. There's no way he did that on purpose. He's lucky he didn't get shot by the other cop. I mean, if you were going to purposefully just try to kill someone, that's about the most risky way to go about it.
A gun would be laying around. He was still twitching at the end with no gun in sight. Then a cop goes in his pocket...for what?

[97 bulls]

:facepalm

Go watch his latest show.
Who's? Sotomayor??? I told you that man is an idiot. And he's a hypocrite. And, people like him help promote stereotypes that routinely cause deaths that arent necessary

[west_tip]

The cops were yelling "get on the ground" when dude was already on the ground. Not sure I will treat them with much credibility when they inevitably state that he reached for his gun.

[9erempiree]

Who's? Sotomayor??? I told you that man is an idiot. And he's a hypocrite. And, people like him help promote stereotypes that routinely cause deaths that arent necessary

He is a grass-roots activists and he's pro-Black too.

[Doomsday Dallas]

A gun would be laying around. He was still twitching at the end with no gun in sight. Then a cop goes in his pocket...for what?


exactly!!.... and yea,... for what?

thing looked smaller than my e-cig



http://cdn.ecigclick.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/kanger-subox-review.jpg

[TheMan]

That's exactly what the police was doing moron. Someone (the public) reported this guy was threatening people with a gun. Cops came to investigate. If we would have cooperated, he would have been alive. Instead, he decided to resist and struggle with the cops, while he had a gun in his possession. Cops had every right to shoot him.

Oh, but he was black, so of course he was just a victim of police brutality. "He was just a big 'ol teddy bear, he never hurt no one!!"

GTFO here.
He din do nuffin

[9erempiree]

Probably a Deringer gun.

[97 bulls]

I don't think the 2nd video is clear cut at all. The guy was still resisting with his right arm, possibly grabbing for a gun? I think the conviction will come down to whether or not the suspects gun was fired... because it sounded like a gun shot went off before you see the police shoot him. I also found it strange how one of the cops fell over the front of the suspect. There's no way he did that on purpose. He's lucky he didn't get shot by the other cop. I mean, if you were going to purposefully just try to kill someone, that's about the most risky way to go about it.
Lol. So now, the civilian has to take accountability for the actions of a cowardly cop almost shooting his partner. You racists assholes are just pathetic.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Accidental shooting.


That's my ruling.



Man with the tattoo should never be allowed to be a cop again.





And I see no gun.... where is an image of the gun they found on him?

[9erempiree]

The ultimate pocket pistol, Deringer,....most likely this was what was pulled out.

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/155484.jpg

[9erempiree]

Lol. So now, the civilian has to take accountability for the actions of a cowardly cop almost shooting his partner. You racists assholes are just pathetic.
:facepalm

So all you got out of his post is that he's a racist?:lol

[97 bulls]

He is a grass-roots activists and he's pro-Black too.


Tommy Sotomayor Is A DEADBEAT dad, He's a FELON, and a hypocrite. Why anyone would see him as a voice of reason is beyond me. Other than if you are a white racist jackass. Or a house ngr

[97 bulls]

:facepalm

So all you got out of his post is that he's a racist?:lol
Not just him. You too

[9erempiree]

He din do nuffin

After the racist asian comment here is another racist comment.

:facepalm

When will it ever stop.

[97 bulls]

Accidental shooting.


That's my ruling.



Man with the tattoo should never be allowed to be a cop again.





And I see no gun.... where is an image of the gun they found on him?
If he had a gun, he didn't pull it out. The video plainly shows it.

[TheMan]

I would believe this if I had EVER seen you criticize a police officer before

This one doesn't boil my blood really, not as bad as the Garner case
UK2K is a cop groupie, never seen him say anything negative about them, even when they've been convicted of excessive force.

[9erempiree]

Have you guys ever stop to think for one second that the cop pulls out his gun and then the Black man tried to grab the cop's gun which sent off the first initials shots.

Then the cop rolls off and fired another 3 rounds.

We can do this all day.

The fact of the matter is....DO NOT RESIST.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Here's the other angle. Pretty graphic. Sucks somebody had to die. Did they really try to cover it up? That may be even worse.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHiPpB5BGRv/

[UK2K]

9/09/96 aggravated battery
10/31/97 2nd degree battery
1/06/98 simple battery
5/04/00 public intimidation
9/20/00 carnal knowledge of a juvenile
9/04/01 domestic violence
5/24/05 burglary of an inhabited dwelling place
7/11/05 receiving stolen things
9/12/05 burglary of inhabited dwelling place
3/17/06 simple criminal damage to property, simple robbery, simple theft, drug possession, misrepresentation during booking, simple battery, aggravated battery
4/12/06 aggravated battery, simple criminal damage to property, disturbing the peace, unauthorized entry
4/04/08 domestic abuse battery
6/03/09 resisting an officer, drug possession, receiving stolen things, possession of stolen firearm, illegal carrying of a weapon with CDs, sound reproduct without consent
10/12/09 illegal carrying of weapon, marijuana possession
8/13/15 failure to register as a sex offender
4/08/16 failure to register as a sex offender
6/14/16 ecstacy and marijuana possession
It's unfortunate an officer had to deal with this person.

Truth be told, the did everyone a favor. A convicted felon in possession of a handgun is already illegal. That's why he wasn't going quietly.

[Doomsday Dallas]

And did he really yell "GET ON THE GROUND!!!!!" ?


Was he not on the ground?


..... two more shots.






Again.... this is a clear-cut accidental shooting.

He fired for no reason!!!

He should maybe go to jail for those last two shots.
(even though I'm sure his adrenaline is to blame)

[Hawker]

But I must say that I respect a person that can change their mind when presented with facts. Y2K2 could've easily ducked out and not responded.

Yep. Good to hear. Hopefully most cop haters were the same when all the facts came out about the Michael Brown case and when Darren Wilson was vindicated at a federal level.

[bdreason]

Lol. So now, the civilian has to take accountability for the actions of a cowardly cop almost shooting his partner. You racists assholes are just pathetic.


If it's an accidental shooting, then it's not murder. If the suspect had a gun, and bullets from that gun were fired, that changes everything. I haven't followed the entire story, but apparently they hit him with a taser prior to tackling him to the ground, and he just stood there? What are the chances they find serious drugs like crack or PCP in his system?

I don't approach the situation with any regard to race. I approach it with logic. Why would the cops choose to assassinate this suspect? If they in fact made a conscious choice to murder the suspect, why would they do it in such a reckless and dangerous way, endangering their own lives? Why was the suspect resisting arrest in the first place? Why didn't he react to being tasered? Did he have a gun? Were bullets fired from his gun? Did the police follow correct procedure?

I think people who just assume these cops wanted to throw their lives into complete chaos by murdering some random suspect are thinking with their hearts, not their heads. If anything it looks like accidental homicide to me. The details of the case will have to come out before anyone makes a clear judgement. People who want to automatically claim these cops just woke up this morning and "wanted to kill a ni99er" are the only ones really playing the race card.

[bdreason]

It's unfortunate an officer had to deal with this person.

Truth be told, the did everyone a favor. A convicted felon in possession of a handgun is already illegal. That's why he wasn't going quietly.


It's amazing that a guy can have a record like that, and immediately it's the integrity of the police that's questioned. Again, I'm not saying the police don't deserve blame, but this suspect definitely doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I don't care if he's white, black, brown, purple, or green.

[TheMan]

After the racist asian comment here is another racist comment.

:facepalm

When will it ever stop.
wut :lol

All I'm saying is he din do nuffin to deserve to get shot.

Racist? GTFOH mange

[9erempiree]

wut :lol

All I'm saying is he din do nuffin to deserve to get shot.

Racist? GTFOH mange

:facepalm

What you said is a pejorative term used to mock and criticize black people.

It started during the riots.

Of course you are oblivious to it or perhaps you meant to show your true content.

Ball Don't Lie.

[AceManIII]

Somebody is going to have to throw the wrench into the usual "Questionable killing, administrative leave, social media outrage, etc. etc."

I would take a page from the Rodney King situation and start demanding more from Pres. Obama and his administration

[SCREWstonRockets]

I mean, if you were going to purposefully just try to kill someone, that's about the most risky way to go about it.

Look I don't think he planned his day out to kill a black guy but its clear he f*cked up. He should lose his job and get charged with whatever is deemed fair.


It's unfortunate an officer had to deal with this person.

Truth be told, the did everyone a favor.

sure, lets all just start taking the law into our own hands lol that will work out fine

[CelticBaller]

Lesson to be learned, you're carrying a gun? Let the officer know, and don't ever try to resist and arrest unless you know your it laws

[L.Kizzle]

So it just happened again. This is a problem in the USA. A black guy was in the car as a passenger his GF is driving. Officer pulls them over. Guy tells him he has a firearm before reaxhing to get his ID (like the cop instructed.) Cop instead shoots guy in arm killing his as GF records live on FB.

[9erempiree]

So it just happened again. This is a problem in the USA. A black guy was in the car as a passenger his GF is driving. Officer pulls them over. Guy tells him he has a firearm before reaxhing to get his ID (like the cop instructed.) Cop instead shoots guy in arm killing his as GF records live on FB.

:lol

Where is this video?

[L.Kizzle]

:lol

Where is this video?
I just seen it on my FB feed, it's around. Cop was still pointing gun at him as if he could still do anything. Smh.

[9erempiree]

I just seen it on my FB feed, it's around.

Nevermind.

I found it and this is actually a tragic story.

[L.Kizzle]

Nevermind.

I found it and this is actually a tragic story.
Kid was in the back seat too. Seriously. They cuffed the lady threw her and child in back of coo car. This one will be worse than Alton Sterling case. Once people see it when they wake up in the morning.

[9erempiree]

Kid was in the back seat too. Seriously. They cuffed the lady threw her and child in back of coo car. This one will be worse than Alton Sterling case. Once people see it when they wake up in the morning.

Lets put the discussion of me backing up corrupted cops and wanting Black people dead. If they are criminals then they asked for it.

In this particular instance where the guy got shot is totally uncalled for. If there is an outrage then this is the case.

The man had a permit to carry and even told the officer but officer shot anyways. :facepalm

That could have been the millions of American permit holders. Not the Obama 'could have been my son' crap.

[97 bulls]

These police officers are chicken shit. Just straight cowards. Are black men that intimidating????

[Bosnian Sajo]

:lol

Where is this video?



What the hell is so funny though.......

[ace23]

So it just happened again. This is a problem in the USA. A black guy was in the car as a passenger his GF is driving. Officer pulls them over. Guy tells him he has a firearm before reaxhing to get his ID (like the cop instructed.) Cop instead shoots guy in arm killing his as GF records live on FB.
He knew he ****ed up too. He'll probably go down for manslaughter.

[Graviton]

Video of another police shooting, apparently this guy had a carry permit and was trying to show his ID to the officer and got shot. Idk who to believe, the cop sounds shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRSDvZxkPA

[masonanddixon]

Video of another police shooting, apparently this guy had a carry permit and was trying to show his ID to the officer and got shot. Idk who to believe, the cop sounds shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRSDvZxkPA

This one is a legitimate tragedy.

Sucks how liberals pounce on people's deaths as opportunities to push their deranged agendas.

[masonanddixon]

These police officers are chicken shit. Just straight cowards. Are black men that intimidating????

How about when whites get killed by black cops or when black cops kill black civilians?

You, like the media, likely don't care because it doesn't push your agenda.

STOP USING THE DEATHS OF HUMAN BEINGS TO TRY TO PUSH AN AGENDA.

THATS WHY 2016 SOCIETY IS THE END OF THE HUMAN RACE.

[TheMan]

:lol

Where is this video?
I'm glad you find the killing of a human being as lol worthy

Sick rightwing bastard

[UK2K]

Look I don't think he planned his day out to kill a black guy but its clear he f*cked up. He should lose his job and get charged with whatever is deemed fair.



sure, lets all just start taking the law into our own hands lol that will work out fine
This piece of shit shouldn't have been on the street to begin with...

If you believe he did, you are part of the problem.

Shed a tear for the 8 assault count child molester.

The world is better off without him. Fact.

[Just2McFly]

I didn't know that criminal history means that his human and constitutional rights are invalidated. Learned something new today thanks to a few idiots in this thread. These cops need to start doing time and the federal government needs to start getting involved because I am tired of them killing people that look like me and getting vacations. America still doesn't care about black men and it's sad.

[NumberSix]

Video of another police shooting, apparently this guy had a carry permit and was trying to show his ID to the officer and got shot. Idk who to believe, the cop sounds shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRSDvZxkPA
This fcuking idiot shot this guy 4 times. He was like "he was reaching". The lady perfectly said "you told him to get his license. he was reaching for his license".

Why in the hell did this cop have his gun out in the first place? Just because the guy told him he was LEGALLY carrying a gun? So the fcuk what? What about that would cause you to draw your gun? He has as much to have a gun as the cop does. There's nothing remotely suspicious or threatening about that. The fact that the cop even had his gun out is absolutely disgusting behavior.

Dude, what kind of fcuk-tards are they hiring to be police? It just goes to show, if a cop asks you for ANYTHING you're almost left with no other choice than to not comply. If he asks for a license, you're better off saying "I'm not moving my hands. I don't trust you not to panic and kill me if I reach for my wallet".

[masonanddixon]

I didn't know that criminal history means that his human and constitutional rights are invalidated. Learned something new today thanks to a few idiots in this thread. These cops need to start doing time and the federal government needs to start getting involved because I am tired of them killing people that look like me and getting vacations. America still doesn't care about black men and it's sad.

You're the most irrelevant man in existence.

[UK2K]

I didn't know that criminal history means that his human and constitutional rights are invalidated. Learned something new today thanks to a few idiots in this thread. These cops need to start doing time and the federal government needs to start getting involved because I am tired of them killing people that look like me and getting vacations. America still doesn't care about black men and it's sad.
It's not.

That's why I said he's going to jail.

That doesn't mean he didn't do everyone a favor though. Truth is, if it was a white dude, my argument still remains. Guy should have never been on the street in the first place and it's a shame cops, and everyone else in public, should have to interact with someone with a rap sheet like that. Maybe they thought after his 8th assault, he learned his lesson?

'I'm tired of them killing .0000001% of the black population every year. Tired of it!'

And another activist is born.

[UK2K]

This fcuking idiot shot this guy 4 times. He was like "he was reaching". The lady perfectly said "you told him to get his license. he was reaching for his license".

Why in the hell did this cop have his gun out in the first place? Just because the guy told him he was LEGALLY carrying a gun? So the fcuk what? What about that would cause you to draw your gun? He has as much to have a gun as the cop does. There's nothing remotely suspicious or threatening about that. The fact that the cop even had his gun out is absolutely disgusting behavior.

Dude, what kind of fcuk-tards are they hiring to be police? It just goes to show, if a cop asks you for ANYTHING you're almost left with no other choice than to not comply. If he asks for a license, you're better off saying "I'm not moving my hands. I don't trust you not to panic and kill me if I reach for my wallet".
I've always replied with 'you asked for my licence, it's in my door pocket, I'm going to get it'.

But you can ignore them too. That may work.

[LBJ 23]

Video of another police shooting, apparently this guy had a carry permit and was trying to show his ID to the officer and got shot. Idk who to believe, the cop sounds shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRSDvZxkPA


I'm shocked to see this lady being as calm as she is with her boyfriend just being shot 4 times and dying next to her. Yet there she is perfectly sane like she's telling a story to someone :eek:

[masonanddixon]

I'm shocked to see this lady being as calm as she is with her boyfriend just being shot 4 times and dying next to her. Yet there she is perfectly sane like she's telling a story to someone :eek:

Indictment upon society.

[Just2McFly]

I'm shocked to see this lady being as calm as she is with her boyfriend just being shot 4 times and dying next to her. Yet there she is perfectly sane like she's telling a story to someone :eek:

Or she just knows that if she freaks out and starts moving erratically she'll end up dead as well..

[Just2McFly]

It's not.

That's why I said he's going to jail.

That doesn't mean he didn't do everyone a favor though. Truth is, if it was a white dude, my argument still remains. Guy should have never been on the street in the first place and it's a shame cops, and everyone else in public, should have to interact with someone with a rap sheet like that. Maybe they thought after his 8th assault, he learned his lesson?

'I'm tired of them killing .0000001% of the black population every year. Tired of it!'

And another activist is born.

:coleman:

As an officer of the LAW, I expect you to do just that, carry out the law. This is America we are speaking about, this isn't some shanty town, third world country without a real government in place. These kind of killing cannot be justified but still somehow police officers are getting away with them.

I don't give a f*ck about the victim's criminal record. If high ranking Nazi officers were afforded rights to a trial after killing millions of innocent people, what possible excuse does this cop have? Think about it, Hitler would have actually gotten a trial if found alive but somehow you expect me to allow you to side track the discussion with Alton's criminal history as if it has any relevance to this tragedy?

He was pinned down and then executed. As taxpayers, that's definitely not what the f*ck we pay for. We pay them to execute the law to the fullest extent and to the best of their capabilities, that's why they are extensively trained in high pressure situations before being deployed to combat the evils of society.

There is no excuse for what happened. Zero. I'm tired of hearing, he had a gun on him, or oh, he made a move for his pocket, or the quintessential, oh he was resisting arrest? As if resisting arrest is grounds to murder someone in cold blood.

Every time a black man gets killed by the law in this fashion the media always searches for dirt so that the general public doesn't feel uncomfortable. It always works too. It works because people aren't asking the right questions. I do not care about the quality of his character, I care about the events of the day in question and why he's dead. Bottom line.

[TheMan]

I'm moving back to Mexico pronto, too many gun weilding trigger happy crazies running around (and that's just the cops) :eek:

[SCREWstonRockets]

This piece of shit shouldn't have been on the street to begin with...

If you believe he did, you are part of the problem.

Shed a tear for the 8 assault count child molester.

The world is better off without him. Fact.

Then why was he on the street? It's not his fault they let him go. Blame the system for letting him walk. If you think its cool for cops to take justice into their own hands (like that could never be abused), then why even have a justice system in place?

[UK2K]

Then why was he on the street? It's not his fault they let him go. Blame the system for letting him walk. If you think its cool for cops to take justice into their own hands (like that could never be abused), then why even have a justice system in place?

Our lax laws.

And I did blame the system.

I didn't say the cop should take the law into their own hands... ever, no matter how many times you say that I did. So you should, maybe, try responding to what I said. Taking what I said and turning into something I didn't to make an argument is petty.

[Jasper]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-footage-shows-man-shot-police-california-gas/story?id=40396502

California shot unarmed man after suspecting he had gun.

Why do the police shoot to kill a possible dangerous person ???

Why not shot their leg or shoulder , to prevent victim from losing his life ?

[Facepalm]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-footage-shows-man-shot-police-california-gas/story?id=40396502

California shot unarmed man after suspecting he had gun.

Why do the police shoot to kill a possible dangerous person ???

Why not shot their leg or shoulder , to prevent victim from losing his life ?
Cops are trained to shoot at the center body mass. This isn't Jason Bourne.

[UK2K]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-footage-shows-man-shot-police-california-gas/story?id=40396502

California shot unarmed man after suspecting he had gun.

Why do the police shoot to kill a possible dangerous person ???

Why not shot their leg or shoulder , to prevent victim from losing his life ?

:oldlol:

God damnit... not these people again.

[aj1987]

I almost always support the officers, when it comes to shootings like this, but this was flat out murder. The guy might be a lowlife criminal, but he didn't deserve to die like this. **** the cop. Hope he goes to jail for the rest of his life. Cop who murdered a black dude... :oldlol: He's gonna get ****ed. Literally and figuratively.

[GOBB]

Nevermind.

I found it and this is actually a tragic story.

:roll:

What? You're not sitting there trying to find justifiable reasons??? What a shocker!

[SCREWstonRockets]

Our lax laws.

And I did blame the system.

I didn't say the cop should take the law into their own hands... ever, no matter how many times you say that I did. So you should, maybe, try responding to what I said. Taking what I said and turning into something I didn't to make an argument is petty.

well saying things like "they did us all a favor and the world is better off without him" implies you are fine with this cop "doing us all a favor". am i wrong there? you said yourself this is murder, but sounds like you are still trying to justify it by pointing to his record. which would actually be helpful in his trial, but hes dead.

[97 bulls]

well saying things like "they did us all a favor and the world is better off without him" implies you are fine with this cop "doing us all a favor". am i wrong there? you said yourself this is murder, but sounds like you are still trying to justify it by pointing to his record. which would actually be helpful in his trial, but hes dead.
The double standard is just insane isn't it? He defended Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin by saying "the law" "the law". Totally disregarding Zimmerman's history as a criminal before and even after he killed that kid. But when an unjust killing of a black person occurrs, he wants to utilize ethics and go into the dead persons criminal background. Unbelievable

[GOBB]

well saying things like "they did us all a favor and the world is better off without him" implies you are fine with this cop "doing us all a favor". am i wrong there? you said yourself this is murder, but sounds like you are still trying to justify it by pointing to his record. which would actually be helpful in his trial, but hes dead.



The double standard is just insane isn't it? He defended Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin by saying "the law" "the law". Totally disregarding Zimmerman's history as a criminal before and even after he killed that kid. But when an unjust killing of a black person occurrs, he wants to utilize ethics and go into the dead persons criminal background. Unbelievable


He can't help himself. Pretty sad

[west_tip]

May have already been posted, at least the DOJ are involved: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/us/alton-sterling-baton-rouge-shooting.html?_r=0

Personally I think there is a greater likelihood of a transparent and fair investigation when the Federal govt. is undertaking it than when the city or state is in charge.

[GOBB]

https://youtu.be/w6QbOgOPRbQ

[west_tip]

I didn't know that criminal history means that his human and constitutional rights are invalidated. Learned something new today thanks to a few idiots in this thread. These cops need to start doing time and the federal government needs to start getting involved because I am tired of them killing people that look like me and getting vacations. America still doesn't care about black men and it's sad.

"America still doesn't care about black men and it's sad".

I know this is an emotive issue but I don't see how its realistic to project the actions of a cop onto the whole country. That to me is an unhelpful and inaccurate generalization. Plenty of people work in all kinds of agencies, schools, social services, children's homes, hospitals, EMT with the express purpose of helping the most vulnerable people in this society which include an (unfortunately) disproportionate number of blacks. It's just that the white paramedic who provides emergency medical care on a black gunshot victim doesn't make the news. The white elementary school teacher who goes the extra mile to help one of their struggling black students doesn't make the news.

[UK2K]

well saying things like "they did us all a favor and the world is better off without him" implies you are fine with this cop "doing us all a favor". am i wrong there? you said yourself this is murder, but sounds like you are still trying to justify it by pointing to his record. which would actually be helpful in his trial, but hes dead.

Does it imply that? Or is that just what you read?

Because I'm pretty sure I said he should be charged with homicide.

Let me ask you something.. if a prison guard murdered Jared Fogle in his cell, would you be upset? I wouldn't. This guy, in my opinion, was more of a detriment to society than Fogle is.

But, would I still want the guard charged with murder? Absolutely, because murder is illegal.

There's a lot of people that don't deserve to live in our society, but that doesn't mean I support their murder.

Quit acting like a child and respond to WHAT I SAID not what you think I said. I've asked you once already and you still don't seem to be able to grasp it.

[UK2K]

The double standard is just insane isn't it? He defended Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin by saying "the law" "the law". Totally disregarding Zimmerman's history as a criminal before and even after he killed that kid. But when an unjust killing of a black person occurrs, he wants to utilize ethics and go into the dead persons criminal background. Unbelievable

Is making shit up the only way you can make a point or... what?

I defended Zimmerman because he acted in self defense which is lawful. The same way I am not defending the officers because what they did wasn't lawful.

Not once did I say Zimmerman was a super awesome guy. Not once did I say what these cops did was right.

Sometimes it's like trying to argue with children. Keep making shit up, it makes for good conversation, solid debate. :oldlol:

[TheMan]

UK2K is just embarrassing himself right now :facepalm

[andgar923]

The double standard is just insane isn't it? He defended Zimmerman killing Trayvon Martin by saying "the law" "the law". Totally disregarding Zimmerman's history as a criminal before and even after he killed that kid. But when an unjust killing of a black person occurrs, he wants to utilize ethics and go into the dead persons criminal background. Unbelievable
It's called RACISM

They can try to deny it, spin it, justify it, cover it up, disguise it, simply put they're racist at their core.

[97 bulls]

Is making shit up the only way you can make a point or... what?

I defended Zimmerman because he acted in self defense which is lawful. The same way I am not defending the officers because what they did wasn't lawful.
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Right. So what am I missing here? You called Zimmerman's actions lawful. You then disregard the law (maybe not in this situation) when the role is reversed and the person you feel is in the right looks bad. What Zimmerman did was morally wrong. Had he left that kid alone instead of playing supercop, we wouldn't know who he is. Zimmerman started it, Martin finished it, Zimmerman KILLED him. You stated he lawfully defended himself.

Think bro. Why do you always allude to ones criminal record? Because it gives you a better perception as to the type of person were dealing with. Well, Zimmerman had a record when he killed Martin, he's been arrested, multiple times after killing Martin. So based on YOUR REASONGING, you should be backing off your stance that he was "defending" himself. Because his actions pre and post, show that hes a hothead. Again. This is your logic. Not mine.

[Richie2k6]

https://youtu.be/w6QbOgOPRbQ
:applause:

[AceManIII]

I love the "turnabout" that's going on right now

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/c/ca/Phoenix_Objection.gif

[UK2K]

Right. So what am I missing here? You called Zimmerman's actions lawful. You then disregard the law (maybe not in this situation) when the role is reversed and the person you feel is in the right looks bad. What Zimmerman did was morally wrong. Had he left that kid alone instead of playing supercop, we wouldn't know who he is. Zimmerman started it, Martin finished it, Zimmerman KILLED him. You stated he lawfully defended himself.
Zimmerman did kill him, after the kid initiated a confrontation. It's not illegal to follow someone. It is illegal to punch someone. He punched a guy with a gun, which is really, really, dumb.

What he did was morally wrong, but he was legally in the right. Not sure how else I can explain it.

You're right, he lawfully defended himself. If I punch you, you are free to defend yourself. If I follow you, you can't punch me. You are correct, Zimmerman shouldn't have followed him, but he did, which isn't illegal. The kid shouldn't have tried to sucker punch him, but he did, and THAT is illegal.



Think bro. Why do you always allude to ones criminal record? Because it gives you a better perception as to the type of person were dealing with. Well, Zimmerman had a record when he killed Martin, he's been arrested, multiple times after killing Martin. So based on YOUR REASONGING, you should be backing off your stance that he was "defending" himself. Because his actions pre and post, show that hes a hothead. Again. This is your logic. Not mine.

I don't. You are literally making shit up. Again.

Although in this particular incident, it DID matter, because a convicted felon in possession of a weapon is a felony. He was committing a felony before the cops even showed up, and he knew it, which is why he wasn't going to go quietly. He was looking at 20+ years, I'm sure he was aware of that.

You are creating my logic which has nothing to do with this guy's, or Zimmerman's, criminal history.

If it did, I wouldn't agree the cop needs to be charged with homicide, would I?

I agree Zimmerman is a psycho. That doesn't mean he can't legally defend himself, which he did. So this whole idea of what you perceive my logic to be isn't making any sense.

[UK2K]

It's called RACISM

They can try to deny it, spin it, justify it, cover it up, disguise it, simply put they're racist at their core.

If it was a white dude that had been arrested 23 times, you know what my response would be?

'The cop needs to be charged with homicide, but he did everyone a favor'.

So... now what?

[97 bulls]

Zimmerman did kill him, after the kid initiated a confrontation. It's not illegal to follow someone. It is illegal to punch someone. He punched a guy with a gun, which is really, really, dumb.

What he did was morally wrong, but he was legally in the right. Not sure how else I can explain it.

You're right, he lawfully defended himself. If I punch you, you are free to defend yourself. If I follow you, you can't punch me. You are correct, Zimmerman shouldn't have followed him, but he did, which isn't illegal. The kid shouldn't have tried to sucker punch him, but he did, and THAT is illegal.

Dude. How are you not getting this???? According to Zimmerman. Martin asked a man that is following him "your homie you got a problem"? Or something along those lines. Zimmerman's response is he doesn't but as he's telling this, he reaches for his phone to call the police. And Martin decks him. I feel it's probably because Martin sees the gun and feels he has no choice but to fight him. Either way, seeing as how you're big on one's track records, it would seem that maybe you'd come off that stance that Zimmerman was defending himself.



I don't. You are literally making shit up. Again.
Lol. You dont? YOU'RE DOING IT HERE. WTF?????



Although in this particular incident, it DID matter, because a convicted felon in possession of a weapon is a felony. He was committing a felony before the cops even showed up, and he knew it, which is why he wasn't going to go quietly. He was looking at 20+ years, I'm sure he was aware of that.

You are creating my logic which has nothing to do with this guy's, or Zimmerman's, criminal history.

If it did, I wouldn't agree the cop needs to be charged with homicide, would I?

I agree Zimmerman is a psycho. That doesn't mean he can't legally defend himself, which he did. So this whole idea of what you perceive my logic to be isn't making any sense.
Again. Here's my point. It's a matter of an end justifying a mean. If the cops did the world a favor by killing a man they had no reason to because of his past, then why weren't or aren't you caping for Zimmerman to be arrested for being a jackass that finally led to him having (again your assessment not mine) to kill a kid. Wouldn't be better off with him in jail?

[poido123]

so we have racists in the police force?


What a surprise :oldlol:


There are BLM's too in the police, but being predominantly white in the forces, none would dare show their true colours.

[CelticBaller]

Video of another police shooting, apparently this guy had a carry permit and was trying to show his ID to the officer and got shot. Idk who to believe, the cop sounds shocked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDRSDvZxkPA
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/us/officer-charged-philando-castile-killing/
Bump, Good news, the officer was charged with manslaughter. Justice is served

[UK2K]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/us/officer-charged-philando-castile-killing/
Bump, Good news, the officer was charged with manslaughter. Justice is served

I'm still batting 1000 on which officer involved shootings were justified....