Pat Riley is a Phony

[AirTupac]

Quit with that God Father BS. You let the man that made your franchise walk over a few mill or an extra year? It sucks Heat fans wont get to see their hero retire in their jersey. Its a special feeling seeing something like that. Kobe's last game was magnificent for Laker fans and everyone else. Now he's gonna play his last games in a BULLS jersey. Pathetic.

**** Pat Riley.

[derb2k2]

agreed.:biggums:

[keep-itreal]

Justin Winslow will save the franchise. :rockon:

[Meticode]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc28/Meticode/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers_zpssii3qwvm.jpg

[iamgine]

Quit with that God Father BS. You let the man that made your franchise walk over a few mill or an extra year? It sucks Heat fans wont get to see their hero retire in their jersey. Its a special feeling seeing something like that. Kobe's last game was magnificent for Laker fans and everyone else. Now he's gonna play his last games in a BULLS jersey. Pathetic.

**** Pat Riley.
It's because he's the Godfather that he kicked Wade out. You see, they don't want this aging star to dominate their cap ala Kobe in Lakers. Is he bringing them anywhere? Nope. Would paying him a lot hinder their free agent plan for next season? Yep.

[sd3035]

Well, the Heat have no chance so it would have been a gesture of appreciation for the 3 titles

Riley is ruthless though

[Goldrush25]

I'm thinking he wanted to tear the whole thing down. Now that Wade's gone it's just a matter of making sure that the doctors won't clear Bosh to return. They'll probably negotiate a buyout or he'll retire. The rebuild is on.

[ISHGoat]

Absolutely correct basketball decision. That Kobe contract crippled the Lakers for years, and will continue to haunt them into the latter part of this decade.

[AirTupac]

Absolutely correct basketball decision. That Kobe contract crippled the Lakers for years, and will continue to haunt them into the latter part of this decade.

This decision will haunt Miami. Players are aware of how franchises treat players. That Kobe contract didnt cripple anything, they werent gonna win then and it helped us pave the way for what we are building now. LOL idiot.

[SilkkTheShocker]

People talking about loyalty in this thread don't realize how the real world works. Riley's job is to improve the Heat way he can. And paying Wade the Kobe max isn't the best way to improve the Heat. This was absolutely the right move. Some you get way too sentimental about this s.hit. You would all be terrible GMs.

[SilkkTheShocker]

This decision will haunt Miami. Players are aware of how franchises treat players. That Kobe contract didnt cripple anything, they werent gonna win then and it helped us pave the way for what we are building now. LOL idiot.

LMAO the Heat play in f.ucking Miami, Florida. They're always going to be a top 3 destination in terms of city. You have no idea what the f,uck you're talking about.

[AirTupac]

Yeah Im sure players would love to play for a GM that cant even keep his word to the man that made the franchise. Miami offered 2/50? Wade rejected it because Pat Riley is a scumbag who cant treat his players right. It echos a long way among the players. Wade wanted to be a "one team franchise type of guy" but Pat Riley the idiot screwed that up for Whiteside LOL. Yeah i'm sure everyones gonna come crawling to Miami after that.

Shit GM Riley. Overpay a headcase in Whiteside then treat your hero like a piece of shit.

Moron :facepalm

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yeah Im sure players would love to play for a GM that cant even keep his word to the man that made the franchise. Miami offered 2/50? Wade rejected it because Pat Riley is a scumbag who cant treat his players right. It echos a long way among the players. Wade wanted to be a "one team franchise type of guy" but Pat Riley the idiot screwed that up for Whiteside LOL. Yeah i'm sure everyones gonna come crawling to Miami after that.

Shit GM Riley. Overpay a headcase in Whiteside then treat your hero like a piece of shit.

Moron :facepalm

The Heat were in trouble the moment LeBron left, and Bosh got blood clots. Giving Wade the Kobe Max would have rocketed them towards mediocrity. It's time to start fresh. They need rebuild Dragic's value, and play the young players.

[AirTupac]

Pat Riley is actually such an idiot. Wade has done and made so much money for the Heat. You pay a guy like that an extra few million if you gave him your word that you would treat him right. See how Mark Cuban treats Dirk? Lakers with Kobe? Its cause these guys make the franchise an unbelievable amount of money and bring in so much to the team and the game that they deserve a couple years of being paid well for what they were promised. But lets praise Riley for being an idiot scumbag liar who with his actions, made the Miami Legend change teams in his final years because the GM couldnt keep his word at all. No superstar FA will join Miami with that thought in mind. They would rather go with Mavs at this point.

RILEY CANT KEEP HIS OWN WORD FOR THE MAN THAT PLAYED ALL HIS CAREER FOR ONE TEAM. BAD. If you cant see that, you are just as dumb as Pat Riley.

[Foster5k]

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:oldlol:

[ISHGoat]

Pat Riley is actually such an idiot. Wade has done and made so much money for the Heat. You pay a guy like that an extra few million if you gave him your word that you would treat him right. See how Mark Cuban treats Dirk? Lakers with Kobe? Its cause these guys make the franchise an unbelievable amount of money and bring in so much to the team and the game that they deserve a couple years of being paid well for what they were promised. But lets praise Riley for being an idiot scumbag liar who with his actions, made the Miami Legend change teams in his final years because the GM couldnt keep his word at all. No superstar FA will join Miami with that thought in mind. They would rather go with Mavs at this point.

RILEY CANT KEEP HIS OWN WORD FOR THE MAN THAT PLAYED ALL HIS CAREER FOR ONE TEAM. BAD. If you cant see that, you are just as dumb as Pat Riley.

And how many superstar FAs have Lakers signed?

Mozgov and Deng?

:facepalm

The only reason Kobe got that contract is because Jim Buss is a fu.cking moron. No competent GM will cripple their own franchise like that.

[AirTupac]

It was Jerry Buss's dying last wish to pay Kobe like that. Kobe was the reason for that billion dollar TV deal. You can't make the claim that Kobe's contract = Mozgov on the team. Its a rebuild because Kobe is retiring. You must be very stupid dude.

Miami isnt doing anything with this. Wade left, they have a hole now. A shit team with an overpaid PG and a few decent rookies. But at least they put Whiteside a priority over Wade. The guy who is a huge question mark because of his maturity. I'd take Lakers situation right now than Heat.

What a stupid argument you came up with. WHERE SUPERSTARS AT DOE? Yeah, cause that makes sense in a world where we had so many superstars being free agents. Idiot, just a big idiot you are lmao.

[PJR]

What type of cache did that retirement package for Kobe earn the Lakers this summer?

130 Milion in total contract value for over the hill Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Pat Riley has already done this before with Alonzo Mourning in 2003. And came out clean on the side. He'll do it again.

[ISHGoat]

It was Jerry Buss's dying last wish to pay Kobe like that. Kobe was the reason for that billion dollar TV deal. You can't make the claim that Kobe's contract = Mozgov on the team. Its a rebuild because Kobe is retiring. You must be very stupid dude.

Miami isnt doing anything with this. Wade left, they have a hole now. A shit team with an overpaid PG and a few decent rookies. But at least they put Whiteside a priority over Wade. The guy who is a huge question mark because of his maturity. I'd take Lakers situation right now than Heat.

What a stupid argument you came up with. WHERE SUPERSTARS AT DOE? Yeah, cause that makes sense in a world where we had so many superstars being free agents. Idiot, just a big idiot you are lmao.

The truth of the matter is that there were a ton of All-NBA and All-Star players who entered free agency within the last three years. How many have signed with the Lakers? My point is that loyalty at the cost of crippling your franchise does not attract good players. Having a good team with financial flexibility attracts good players.

What Laker are attracting right now are over the hill vets looking to collect a last paycheck before they retire.

[iamgine]

Pat Riley is actually such an idiot. Wade has done and made so much money for the Heat. You pay a guy like that an extra few million if you gave him your word that you would treat him right. See how Mark Cuban treats Dirk? Lakers with Kobe? Its cause these guys make the franchise an unbelievable amount of money and bring in so much to the team and the game that they deserve a couple years of being paid well for what they were promised. But lets praise Riley for being an idiot scumbag liar who with his actions, made the Miami Legend change teams in his final years because the GM couldnt keep his word at all. No superstar FA will join Miami with that thought in mind. They would rather go with Mavs at this point.

RILEY CANT KEEP HIS OWN WORD FOR THE MAN THAT PLAYED ALL HIS CAREER FOR ONE TEAM. BAD. If you cant see that, you are just as dumb as Pat Riley.
I don't think you speak for any superstar FA.

Meanwhile Pat Riley has been in this business for decades.

[AirTupac]

You guys keep using the Lakers as a way to justify Rileys decision. Superstars arent gonna come in to a rebuilding team. Are you guys purposefully trying to act stupid? In 3 years time when the Lakers core becomes a serious threat, I guarantee you these FA's will be coming here. It doesnt work like that "KOBE GOT A HUGE CONTRACT, LET ME JOIN RIGHT NOW" - Durant. Youre making it too simplified to try and justify his decision.

[HurricaneKid]

Lets stop calling 2/47.5 the Kobe Max. 2/47.5 is what Evan Turner and Dellevedova are getting. On just a basketball level, Wade is likely going to contribute far more than those guys are.

Here is a question for the few people out there that for some reason are siding with Riles: If KD had said yes, what was going to happen to Wade? Because they would have had to release Wade, trade McBob, etc just to get the space to bring KD in. Mia was counting on DWade, after he has repeatedly given back to the franchise, to take the MLE. And Riley STILL hasn't called Wade since the end of the season.

He is the guy that asks you to give more and more and that you are family. All the while sucking your life from you until he just dumps your used carcass in the street. Family? More like don't go out on a boat with this used car salesman.

[HurricaneKid]

I don't think you speak for any superstar FA.

Meanwhile Pat Riley has been in this business for decades.

Who do you think brought in Bosh and LeBron? Was that Riley or Wade?

Everything Riley has in Miami is because of Wade. And he only has Wade because the rest of the brass in Miami voted to take him. Riley wanted Kaman.

[AirTupac]

Who do you think brought in Bosh and LeBron? Was that Riley or Wade?

Everything Riley has in Miami is because of Wade. And he only has Wade because the rest of the brass in Miami voted to take him. Riley wanted Kaman.

You preach familia (Wade's family the past 10+ years). and then you stab the man who made everything work out, not even for a full out max. These guys are delusional if they think Riley did good here.

[PJR]

Riley prioritized 27 year old Hassan Whiteside, and a Kevin Durant pursuit over soon to be 35 year old Dwyane Wade.

That is the 100 percent correct basketball decision. Removing sentimentality and emotional from it all. It's a young man's game.

Future flexibility >>>>> Paying 35 and 36 year old Wade 24 and 27 million.

[r15mohd]

Lets stop calling 2/47.5 the Kobe Max. 2/47.5 is what Evan Turner and Dellevedova are getting. On just a basketball level, Wade is likely going to contribute far more than those guys are.

Here is a question for the few people out there that for some reason are siding with Riles: If KD had said yes, what was going to happen to Wade? Because they would have had to release Wade, trade McBob, etc just to get the space to bring KD in. Mia was counting on DWade, after he has repeatedly given back to the franchise, to take the MLE. And Riley STILL hasn't called Wade since the end of the season.

He is the guy that asks you to give more and more and that you are family. All the while sucking your life from you until he just dumps your used carcass in the street. Family? More like don't go out on a boat with this used car salesman.


If KD said yes, Riley could use bird rights to pay Wade, and still sign Whiteside and KD. It definitely meant McBob and some of the rooks were gone, and maybe even Dragic.

However, no KD means no real contention coming up for the Heat with Wade as the 1st option, and Riley overpaying Wade as the 1st option was never going to happen. KD had to come along for Wade to get another big contract from the Heat - and at Wade's age/performance, 2/40 offer wasn't bad. Wade wanted more for his sacrifices over the years, and I get that, but Riley dos the right thing by staying firm and not giving in, and prolonging the Heats rebuild

[aj1987]

If KD said yes, Riley could use bird rights to pay Wade, and still sign Whiteside and KD. It definitely meant McBob and some of the rooks were gone, and maybe even Dragic.

However, no KD means no real contention coming up for the Heat with Wade as the 1st option, and Riley overpaying Wade as the 1st option was never going to happen. KD had to come along for Wade to get another big contract from the Heat - and at Wade's age/performance, 2/40 offer wasn't bad. Wade wanted more for his sacrifices over the years, and I get that, but Riley dos the right thing by staying firm and not giving in, and prolonging the Heats rebuild
Well, I guess Riley was too much of a bitch to tell Arison to pay Wade and deal with the luxury taxes.

jrong's posts in this thread perfectly sum up how overrated Riley is, as a GM.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414017

[AirTupac]

Riley promised Wade year after year that he will be treated right and it never comes. Riley ****ed it up.

[HurricaneKid]

If KD said yes, Riley could use bird rights to pay Wade, and still sign Whiteside and KD. It definitely meant McBob and some of the rooks were gone, and maybe even Dragic.

However, no KD means no real contention coming up for the Heat with Wade as the 1st option, and Riley overpaying Wade as the 1st option was never going to happen. KD had to come along for Wade to get another big contract from the Heat - and at Wade's age/performance, 2/40 offer wasn't bad. Wade wanted more for his sacrifices over the years, and I get that, but Riley dos the right thing by staying firm and not giving in, and prolonging the Heats rebuild

No he couldn't because Wade's cap hold would have PRECLUDED him from signing Whiteside/KD. Please understand BASIC CBA stuff before spitting stupid all over us. They could have dealt Dragic for nothing and Wade could have gotten ~12M. Do you really think A) 12M is good enough? B) Riley was going to salary dump Dragic for nothing?

20M is WAY LESS than Mozgov/Evan Turner money (both got 4 years at similar money). Its way less than Harrison Barnes who was left wide open in the Finals and shot 13% the last 3 games. This isn't giving 37 year old, coming off multiple major injuries, Kobe in a 67M cap.

[r15mohd]

Who do you think brought in Bosh and LeBron? Was that Riley or Wade?

Everything Riley has in Miami is because of Wade. And he only has Wade because the rest of the brass in Miami voted to take him. Riley wanted Kaman.

Stop underplaying Riley's importance to the Heats success :no:

Without Riley, the Heat have no Zo or Tim Hardaway success. They don't get ONeal and the 2006 title. They dont move the necessary pieces for the signing of the Big3 and then 4 finals/2 additional titles. They don't leverage a meeting with KD this summer if moves weren't made after the Lebron departure. And without Riley, we likely give Wade a Kobe-Esque deal and ride into mediocrity through 2020, maybe longer.

Wade and Riley are both important to the Heat's success, and with Riley, he's putting the team success and relevance before any one player - blaming Riley for Wade leaving is completely a dumb argument.

[PJR]

Riley promised Wade year after year that he will be treated right and it never comes. Riley ****ed it up.

Source: anus

[r15mohd]

No he couldn't because Wade's cap hold would have PRECLUDED him from signing Whiteside/KD. Please understand BASIC CBA stuff before spitting stupid all over us. They could have dealt Dragic for nothing and Wade could have gotten ~12M. Do you really think A) 12M is good enough? B) Riley was going to salary dump Dragic for nothing?

20M is WAY LESS than Mozgov/Evan Turner money (both got 4 years at similar money). Its way less than Harrison Barnes who was left wide open in the Finals and shot 13% the last 3 games. This isn't giving 37 year old, coming off multiple major injuries, Kobe in a 67M cap.

"Because Wade will have been playing the 2016-17 season under a minimum-salary (room midlevel exception) contract, his cap hold for the summer of 2017 would be just $1.0 million ($5.5 million). Therefore, at a charge of just $1.0 million ($5.5 million) against the cap, the Heat could deploy all of its summer of 2017 cap space elsewhere. Then, when it is all used up, it could circle back to Wade, leveraging his full Bird rights to give him his huge back-end deal even though it will cause the Heat to exceed the cap."

The plan was always for Wade to get the huge back end deal with a KD signing - Riley would not do this for Wade unless we had another true 1st option going forward. Wade had to keep sacrificing - and Wade just didn't have the faith in it seeing KD didn't come to SoBe. Can't blame Wade - he took the route he felt was best for him. but Riley doesn't go back in his words, he did similar for Zo in paying him through a front office position, and Wade would get even better had he stayed the course.

The trust fell through - no one was wrong in this, not Wade or Riley to choose the future best for their interests.

[aj1987]

Stop underplaying Riley's importance to the Heats success :no:

Without Riley, the Heat have no Zo or Tim Hardaway success. They don't get ONeal and the 2006 title. They dont move the necessary pieces for the signing of the Big3 and then 4 finals/2 additional titles. They don't leverage a meeting with KD this summer if moves weren't made after the Lebron departure. And without Riley, we likely give Wade a Kobe-Esque deal and ride into mediocrity through 2020, maybe longer.

Wade and Riley are both important to the Heat's success, and with Riley, he's putting the team success and relevance before any one player - blaming Riley for Wade leaving is completely a dumb argument.
Except Pat wanted to draft Kaman and not Wade.

http://www.hoopsrant.com/pat-riley-didnt-like-dwyane-wade/
http://sports-kings.com/uncategorized/pat-riley-nearly-took-kaman-over-dwyane-wade
http://www.espn.in/nba/draft2013/story/_/page/2003-draft-history-2/an-oral-history-2003-lottery-draft

Without Wade, Shaq wouldn't have come to Miami. There goes the '06 ring. Without Wade, LeBron/Bosh wouldn't have come to the Heat. No rings or Finals for '11-'14. An idiot could've cleared up cap space for the '10 FA. Getting LeBron/Bosh never a guarantee. What if LeBron wins in '09 or '10. Not ****ing way he was coming to the Heat. Riley was the reason Heat sucked ass from '08-'10. Where was his "legendary" GM prowess then?

Lets also not forget about the Mike Miller amnesty. One of the reasons as to why LeBron left the Heat. Miami will be a repellant to FA's because of the Wade fiasco and how the Heat completely disrespected him. 13 years on the team and 3 rings and they did him like that. Unless Riley stops trying to act like he's a mod boss and Arison stops being a cheap bastard, there are no big name FA, who would be willing to sign with the Heat. Hopefully, I'm wrong though.

KD was also NEVER going to sign with the Heat, with a mediocre at best PG making max, Wade declining, and Bosh, who might never play another NBA game. Stop trying to act like the Heat had a chance with KD. They also could've just given Wade ~$50M/3yrs and signed KD (if it was a possibility) by paying luxury taxes.

[AirTupac]

Source: anus

So wade taking constant paycuts in the previous years in promise that he would be treated very well later on is all of a sudden a myth? LOL okay.

[r15mohd]

Riley prioritized 27 year old Hassan Whiteside, and a Kevin Durant pursuit over soon to be 35 year old Dwyane Wade.

That is the 100 percent correct basketball decision. Removing sentimentality and emotional from it all. It's a young man's game.

Future flexibility >>>>> Paying 35 and 36 year old Wade 24 and 27 million.

Wade knew he was 3rd on the list this summer from the Heats standpoint - I get he felt he deserved more seeing KD didn't sign, but Riley not caving in for a huge long term deal showed true balls in staying the course to not be irrelevant for a long time - as a Heat fan, I am more excited with this route over seeing Wade lead a less than stellar Heat team into the 2nd round at best.

Heat have a good chance at Westbrook next summer, along with other too FAs and certainly see them making moves for Dragic and others to have huge leverage in paying those stars

[AirTupac]

LOL at Westbrook coming to a team that treats its superstars like that.

[HurricaneKid]

Stop underplaying Riley's importance to the Heats success :no:

Without Riley, the Heat have no Zo or Tim Hardaway success. They don't get ONeal and the 2006 title. They dont move the necessary pieces for the signing of the Big3 and then 4 finals/2 additional titles. They don't leverage a meeting with KD this summer if moves weren't made after the Lebron departure. And without Riley, we likely give Wade a Kobe-Esque deal and ride into mediocrity through 2020, maybe longer.

Wade and Riley are both important to the Heat's success, and with Riley, he's putting the team success and relevance before any one player - blaming Riley for Wade leaving is completely a dumb argument.

What Zo and Tim Bug success are you speaking of? From 95-03 they got out of the first round 2 times. They lost in the second round once and the 3rd rd once. That gets you fired in Indiana.

If it were up to Riley the Heat draft Kaman and there is no Shaq.

Move the necessary pieces? He just didn't give contracts that ate up space. Then he traded the #2 pick for a 2nd rounder. Seems pretty simple to me. A retarded giraffe could have done that. Wade did all the recruiting.

But they got a meeting with KD. It was a horrendous meeting by all accounts, but it was good for alienating your franchise player. And make no mistake about it, this is the way Riley wanted it. That's WHY he disrespected Wade. Its WHY he STILL HASN'T called Wade.

[aj1987]

LOL at Westbrook coming to a team that treats its superstars like that.
Exactly. Some people just don't understand loyalty and how it works.

[PJR]

LOL at Westbrook coming to a team that treats its superstars like that.

We know one team he's not going to: The Lakers :lol

Considering they have their cap tied up in Over the hill Deng and Mozgov

[r15mohd]

Gotta love the couple of Wade stans melting down becuase the Heat chose the best route for them instead of paying Wade the Kobe-deal.:rolleyes:

All of a sudden, revisionist history in Riley wanting Kaman now that Wade is going elsewhere, I mean a lot of ppl did vet for Kaman that draft year, and Riley loves bigs too, so yea lets blame him for the a decision he didn't go through with. they aren't upset that Riley decided to pull the trigger on Wade draft night over Kaman, Riley does have final say or is that not true to? :facepalm now it's a huge Riley the crook antics In not deciding to give Wade a huge deal to stay and keep the Heat irrelevant with Wade as 1st option

Smear Riley all you all want - leave the Heat fanbase and buy your Wade bulls jersey already lol

[PJR]

What Zo and Tim Bug success are you speaking of? From 95-03 they got out of the first round 2 times. They lost in the second round once and the 3rd rd once. That gets you fired in Indiana.

If it were up to Riley the Heat draft Kaman and there is no Shaq.

Move the necessary pieces? He just didn't give contracts that ate up space. Then he traded the #2 pick for a 2nd rounder. Seems pretty simple to me. A retarded giraffe could have done that. Wade did all the recruiting.

But they got a meeting with KD. It was a horrendous meeting by all accounts, but it was good for alienating your franchise player. And make no mistake about it, this is the way Riley wanted it. That's WHY he disrespected Wade. Its WHY he STILL HASN'T called Wade.

This narrative you're 'attempting' to craft that Riley isn't actually an exceptional basketball executive, will NEVER hold up under scrunity. So save it, toots.

The facts are the facts. Riley made an expansion franchise relevant over the course of two decades. 3 NBA titles under his watch. Enough said.

[r15mohd]

We know one team he's not going to: The Lakers :lol

Considering they have their cap tied up in Over the hill Deng and Mozgov

Lol at these guys thinking Riley and the Heat have anything to worry over in being a great front office when meeting with these free agents - you think the decision to make the Heat better is going to drive away a star looking for success? hes built teams for decades now and that in itself will validate him - and the stars who've played for him will say the same. Including Wade

[AirTupac]

We know one team he's not going to: The Lakers :lol

Considering they have their cap tied up in Over the hill Deng and Mozgov


No bozo, they actually have a great chance in signing him out right. Westbrook would choose Lakers over the Heat in an instance. You guys are already out of the race for Westbrook :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[HurricaneKid]

Except Pat wanted to draft Kaman and not Wade.

http://www.hoopsrant.com/pat-riley-didnt-like-dwyane-wade/
http://sports-kings.com/uncategorized/pat-riley-nearly-took-kaman-over-dwyane-wade
http://www.espn.in/nba/draft2013/story/_/page/2003-draft-history-2/an-oral-history-2003-lottery-draft

Without Wade, Shaq wouldn't have come to Miami. There goes the '06 ring. Without Wade, LeBron/Bosh wouldn't have come to the Heat. No rings or Finals for '11-'14. An idiot could've cleared up cap space for the '10 FA. Getting LeBron/Bosh never a guarantee. What if LeBron wins in '09 or '10. Not ****ing way he was coming to the Heat. Riley was the reason Heat sucked ass from '08-'10. Where was his "legendary" GM prowess then?

Lets also not forget about the Mike Miller amnesty. One of the reasons as to why LeBron left the Heat. Miami will be a repellant to FA's because of the Wade fiasco and how the Heat completely disrespected him. 13 years on the team and 3 rings and they did him like that. Unless Riley stops trying to act like he's a mod boss and Arison stops being a cheap bastard, there are no big name FA, who would be willing to sign with the Heat. Hopefully, I'm wrong though.

KD was also NEVER going to sign with the Heat, with a mediocre at best PG making max, Wade declining, and Bosh, who might never play another NBA game. Stop trying to act like the Heat had a chance with KD. They also could've just given Wade ~$50M/3yrs and signed KD (if it was a possibility) by paying luxury taxes.

I could have written this post (and basically did two min later) but this last part is just WRONG.

CB - 24M
Whiteside - 22M
Dragic - 16M
McBob - 6M
J Winslow - 3M
J Rich - 1M
B Weber - 1M
________
73M

Add in KD at 30% of 94M is 28M. That's 100M and the cap is 94.

So you are already 7M the cap. And you cannot go over to sign EITHER Whiteside or KD.

That leaves NOTHING for Wade. So Riley didn't call Wade the entire offseason and his sole goal in FA was to make it so there was no place on the team for Wade.

THAT is why Wade was so pissed.

[PJR]

No bozo, they actually have a great chance in signing him out right. Westbrook would choose Lakers over the Heat in an instance. You guys are already out of the race for Westbrook :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Latest salary cap projection for 2017 is 102 million. The Lakers salary cap are already at 77 million in committed salaries. Westbrook's Max is going to be 30 million.

Great chance? You don't even have the space to over him the max :roll:

Deng and Mozgov baby!

[HurricaneKid]

This narrative you're 'attempting' to craft that Riley isn't actually an exceptional basketball executive, will NEVER hold up under scrunity. So save it, toots.

The facts are the facts. Riley made an expansion franchise relevant over the course of two decades. 3 NBA titles under his watch. Enough said.

It doesn't take ANY scrutiny to see that WADE was the one who brought all 3 titles to Miami. And without Wade Riley would have ZERO Finals appearances in 20+ years.

It wasn't Riley that made the Heat relevant it was Wade.

[aj1987]

Gotta love the couple of Wade stans melting down becuase the Heat chose the best route for them instead of paying Wade the Kobe-deal.:rolleyes:
Can't refute any of the FACTS I posted, so you resort to "melting down" rebuttals. :oldlol:


All of a sudden, revisionist history in Riley wanting Kaman now that Wade is going elsewhere, I mean a lot of ppl did vet for Kaman that draft year, and Riley loves bigs too, so yea lets blame him for the a decision he didn't go through with. they aren't upset that Riley decided to pull the trigger on Wade draft night over Kaman, Riley does have final say or is that not true to? :facepalm now it's a huge Riley the crook antics In not deciding to give Wade a huge deal to stay and keep the Heat irrelevant with Wade as 1st option
Revisionist history?


Riley wanted to take Kaman, the big kid from Central Michigan, with the fifth overall pick. But Riley, the Heat’s president, was smart enough to allow his scouting staff to cast votes for their top choice. On each piece of paper Riley unfolded there was the same name: Dwyane Wade.
http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-gossip-and-rumors/76013-pat-riley-wanted-to-pick-chris-kaman-over-dwyane-wade

Again, if it was up to Riley, he would've picked freaking Kaman instead of Wade.


Smear Riley all you all want - leave the Heat fanbase and buy your Wade bulls jersey already lol
I love Wade and he's my favorite player of all time. I might actually buy a Wade Bulls jersey as well. Doesn't mean that I'll be rooting for the Bulls. Unlike you, I'm actually a HEAT fan.


This narrative you're 'attempting' to craft that Riley isn't actually an exceptional basketball executive, will NEVER hold up under scrunity. So save it, toots.

The facts are the facts. Riley made an expansion franchise relevant over the course of two decades.

The narrative is that Riley is as overrated as they come. Lets see how he deals with the team now though.

True, facts are facts, if Riley had it his way, Miami would've ended up with Kaman and would be an irrelevant AF franchise.

Lets see how he builds the team from here though. If he can actually make the team a contender within the next two seasons, I'll eat crow. Would be extremely happy as well, considering the fact that the Heat would be contending.


I could have written this post (and basically did two min later) but this last part is just WRONG.

CB - 24M
Whiteside - 22M
Dragic - 16M
McBob - 6M
J Winslow - 3M
J Rich - 1M
B Weber - 1M
________
73M

Add in KD at 30% of 94M is 28M. That's 100M and the cap is 94.

So you are already 7M the cap. And you cannot go over to sign EITHER Whiteside or KD.

That leaves NOTHING for Wade. So Riley didn't call Wade the entire offseason and his sole goal in FA was to make it so there was no place on the team for Wade.

THAT is why Wade was so pissed.
There's where Arison's cheap ass comes into play. Dude could've actually spent big money for once in his life. Look at what Dan G is doing in Cleveland. $54M in luxury taxes.

[HurricaneKid]

Latest salary cap projection is 102 million for next summer. The Lakers salary cap is already at 77 million in committed salaries. Westbrook's Max is going to be 30 million.

Great chance? You don't even have the space to over him the max :roll:

Its actually 114M. And Westbrook's max is 34.2. If you are going to pull #s out of your @ss at least make better guesses.

[r15mohd]

I could have written this post (and basically did two min later) but this last part is just WRONG.

CB - 24M
Whiteside - 22M
Dragic - 16M
McBob - 6M
J Winslow - 3M
J Rich - 1M
B Weber - 1M
________
73M

Add in KD at 30% of 94M is 28M. That's 100M and the cap is 94.

So you are already 7M the cap. And you cannot go over to sign EITHER Whiteside or KD.

That leaves NOTHING for Wade. So Riley didn't call Wade the entire offseason and his sole goal in FA was to make it so there was no place on the team for Wade.

THAT is why Wade was so pissed.

this is complete emotion based BS

the only way KD comes to Miami is with Wade on the team - i just laid it out for you on previous posts on how the bird rights would work for Wade being apart of this team. Wade just had to trust in Riley, and it came down to when KD didn't sign that Wade expected a heavy payday.

I repeat - RILEY WAS NEVER GOING TO PAY WADE A 1ST OPTION BASED CONTRACT. Wade was well aware of this over the past couple seasons and what the Heat FA approaches would be going forward. Wade was always informed of the back end payday he'd get - whether it be through bird rights or a front office spot, or even a combination of both.

to think the Heat could land KD with a team of Whiteside and Tragic only is a complete mind lapse :facepalm KD would gladly go to Boston before even looking to Miami

[PJR]

It doesn't take ANY scrutiny to see that WADE was the one who brought all 3 titles to Miami. And without Wade Riley would have ZERO Finals appearances in 20+ years.

It wasn't Riley that made the Heat relevant it was Wade.

Yeah, and who drafted Wade? :oldlol:

And before you regurgitate the tired line of "Kaman would've been the pick had it been up to Riley", a completely unsubstantiated rumor, let's keep it FACTUAL here.

[LikeABosh]

He's certainly fallen behind with the times. Still a GOAT coach and executive but maybe it's time for the Heat to think about going in a new direction.

[aj1987]

this is complete emotion based BS
It's simple math, moron. I do not expect you to understand it though.


the only way KD comes to Miami is with Wade on the team - i just laid it out for you on previous posts on how the bird rights would work for Wade being apart of this team. Wade just had to trust in Riley, and it came down to when KD didn't sign that Wade expected a heavy payday.
KD was NEVER coming to the Heat with a 35 year old Wade, subpar PG, a "superstar" PF who might never player, and almost no depth.


to think the Heat could land KD with a team of Whiteside and Tragic only is a complete mind lapse :facepalm KD would gladly go to Boston before even looking to Miami
:roll: :roll: :roll:

With Pat "The Rat" Riley at the helm, I doubt any superstar would actually want to join the Heat.

[PJR]

Its actually 114M. And Westbrook's max is 34.2. If you are going to pull #s out of your @ss at least make better guesses.

https://twitter.com/ericpincus/status/751065633517735937


Keep up, numbnuts.

Loud and WRONG.

[AirTupac]

Its actually 114M. And Westbrook's max is 34.2. If you are going to pull #s out of your @ss at least make better guesses.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Rekt'd. Mitch would make it happen.

[r15mohd]

Can't refute any of the FACTS I posted, so you resort to "melting down" rebuttals. :oldlol:


Revisionist history?


http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-gossip-and-rumors/76013-pat-riley-wanted-to-pick-chris-kaman-over-dwyane-wade

Again, if it was up to Riley, he would've picked freaking Kaman instead of Wade.

there is nothing to refute. Riley wanted Kaman, there's not fabrication to that - him deciding to pull the trigger and give the OK to Wade is also a Riley decision. or do we overlook this too - again, Riley has last say on who is signed to the Heat - care to acknowledge or completely overlook this? :facepalm



I love Wade and he's my favorite player of all time. I might actually buy a Wade Bulls jersey as well. Doesn't mean that I'll be rooting for the Bulls. Unlike you, I'm actually a HEAT fan.

lol ok :rolleyes: you were sure weren't much a Heat fan when asked what they should do in previous years, pay Wade or pave the way for the Heat's future. ducked that question just like you'll duck the future Heat threads



The narrative is that Riley is as overrated as they come. Lets see how he deals with the team now though.

True, facts are facts, if Riley had it his way, Miami would've ended up with Kaman and would be an irrelevant AF franchise.

Lets see how he builds the team from here though. If he can actually make the team a contender within the next two seasons, I'll eat crow. Would be extremely happy as well, considering the fact that the Heat would be contending.

overrated yet doing this for decades and one of the main reasons behind Wade's success, amongst many other greats. convenient to smear Riley when he puts his foot down on Wade and choosing the franchise before the player - little fact you should know, Riley has and always been a franchise person first. Heat fans are aware of this from the earlier days with Zo - something you wouldn't be aware of since becoming a "Heat fan" when Wade got drafted.



There's where Arison's cheap ass comes into play. Dude could've actually spent big money for once in his life. Look at what Dan G is doing in Cleveland. $54M in luxury taxes.

lol it took Gilbert to lose the best player in the league, see his team have some of the worst years, then grovel to James for a return and have Thompson hold out under James' agency for Gilbert to finally give in? :rolleyes: yeah let's do it the Dan Gilbert way! :hammerhead:

newsflash: Gilbert didn't make the moves - James and his agency did. Gilbert was put in the corner to pay up or lose James again, along with Tristan and likely become the most hated person in Cleveland

[PJR]

Its actually 114M. And Westbrook's max is 34.2. If you are going to pull #s out of your @ss at least make better guesses.

Got a source for these numbers????? I'm waiting :lol :lol

[aj1987]

Yeah, and who drafted Wade? :oldlol:

And before you regurgitate the tired line of "Kaman would've been the pick had it been up to Riley", a completely unsubstantiated rumor, let's keep it FACTUAL here.
[QUOTE]Riley wanted to take Kaman, the big kid from Central Michigan, with the fifth overall pick. But Riley, the Heat

[CelticBaller]

Look at how good the mavs treat Dirk. How many star players sign with them?


Riley did the right decision

[Jasper]

End Of An Era

The Miami Heat have existed for 28 seasons, and they were much better during the 13 in which Dwyane Wade was part of the organization.
PRE-WADE WITH WADE
Seasons 15 13
Win pct .467 .582*
Playoff app 8 11
Playoff win pct .392 .613*
Conf finals 1 6
Titles 0 3
* 3rd in NBA since 2003-04
-- ESPN Stats & Information

[PJR]

Riley was basically doing his best to "sell" Kaman. Everyone else saw that Wade was a significantly better player.

And a good executive trust his scouts. :applause:

[AirTupac]

Look at how good the mavs treat Dirk. How many star players sign with them?


Riley did the right decision

What kind of shit argument is this? Players will remember how Mark treats his players and how Riley treats his players. It goes a long way idiot.

[aj1987]

there is nothing to refute. Riley wanted Kaman, there's not fabrication to that - him deciding to pull the trigger and give the OK to Wade is also a Riley decision. or do we overlook this too - again, Riley has last say on who is signed to the Heat - care to acknowledge or completely overlook this? :facepalm


It was never just my call even if I have that authority. That night it was a consensus. We discussed it. When it comes right down to it, I'm not going to be bull-headed. We made the decision a few hours before the draft that we were going to take Dwyane if he was on the board.


Straight from Pat's mouth. Even if he was in love with Kaman and hated Wade, he didn't have the authority to do it without approval.


lol ok :rolleyes: you were sure weren't much a Heat fan when asked what they should do in previous years, pay Wade or pave the way for the Heat's future. ducked that question just like you'll duck the future Heat threads
I never did, you ****ing moron. If you can't read and understand simple English, I really can't help you.

How has the Heat been doing since LeBron left? They've been contending, right? :oldlol:


overrated yet doing this for decades and one of the main reasons behind Wade's success, amongst many other greats. convenient to smear Riley when he puts his foot down on Wade and choosing the franchise before the player - little fact you should know, Riley has and always been a franchise person first. Heat fans are aware of this from the earlier days with Zo - something you wouldn't be aware of since becoming a "Heat fan" when Wade got drafted.
How many chips did the Heat win before Wade? Literally 95% of Riley's success can directly be attributed to Wade. I wouldn't expect you to know that though.


lol it took Gilbert to lose the best player in the league, see his team have some of the worst years, then grovel to James for a return and have Thompson hold out under James' agency for Gilbert to finally give in? :rolleyes: yeah let's do it the Dan Gilbert way!
Miami lost LeBron because Arison was cheap AF. I thought they'd understand a thing or two from that debacle, but I guess not. At least Gilbert learnt his lesson.


newsflash: Gilbert didn't make the moves - James and his agency did. Gilbert was put in the corner to pay up or lose James again, along with Tristan and likely become the most hated person in Cleveland
I never said Gilbert made the moves, dipshit. He just had to open his wallet. That's literally what I said.


That's where Arison's cheap ass comes into play. Dude could've actually spent big money for once in his life. Look at what Dan G is doing in Cleveland. $54M in luxury taxes.

I was talking about spending money. Retard.


Look at how good the mavs treat Dirk. How many star players sign with them?


Riley did the right decision

Are you comparing Miami and South Beach to Dallas? :oldlol:

Not to mention the taxes.


And a good executive trust his scouts. :applause:
Yes. If it was up to him, he would've screwed up the '03 draft as well.

[r15mohd]

Riley was basically doing his best to "sell" Kaman. Everyone else saw that Wade was a significantly better player.


all this is again, emotion based to smear Riley.

Riley said he had Wade as an option, he just had other guys higher. Riley also let his staff give input and collectively they agreed on Wade.

i mean, how much can you cry for Riley not having Wade as his first choice - shit, were you upset that Bowie got chosen before MJ, or even Oden before KD. Obviously the Heat's front office is good enough to make the right call - faulting Riley for not having his eyes fully set on Wade is such a whiney rebuttal. lol

Riley made the decision to choose Wade in the end - close this argument you newly Bulls fan! :lol

[r15mohd]

Straight from Pat's mouth. Even if he was in love with Kaman and hated Wade, he didn't have the authority to do it without approval.


I never did, you ****ing moron. If you can't read and understand simple English, I really can't help you.

How has the Heat been doing since LeBron left? They've been contending, right? :oldlol:


How many chips did the Heat win before Wade? Literally 95% of Riley's success can directly be attributed to Wade. I wouldn't expect you to know that though.


Miami lost LeBron because Arison was cheap AF. I thought they'd understand a thing or two from that debacle, but I guess not. At least Gilbert learnt his lesson.


I never said Gilbert made the moves, dipshit. He just had to open his wallet. That's literally what I said.



I was talking about spending money. Retard.

he said it's never just his call solely even if he has the authority - Riley has the authority but always hears out his trusted front office.

can you stop melting down - Riley is the sign off, he is the mastermind. you think him carrying Arison and his son to confirm numbers around is who makes the final decision on which ball player is best for the team. he uses his resources as should every exec - wtf are you complaining about?!? Riley chose Wade in the end, build your bridge to Chicago already

[r15mohd]

What kind of shit argument is this? Players will remember how Mark treats his players and how Riley treats his players. It goes a long way idiot.


doesn't seem to hurt the Heat when Riley did this to Zo back in the early 00's - we still got plentiful talent. We still hear praise from every player who passes through this organization.

Wade hasn't said anything ill towards Riley - please show me where he has to insinuate Riley treats his players badly.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[aj1987]

all this is again, emotion based to smear Riley.
Ugh, I posted QUOTES form people who were involved with the process, idiot.


Riley said he had Wade as an option, he just had other guys higher. Riley also let his staff give input and collectively they agreed on Wade.
Riley literally wasn't sold on Wade until Grover convinced him ON THE DAY OF THE DRAFT.


i mean, how much can you cry for Riley not having Wade as his first choice - shit, were you upset that Bowie got chosen before MJ, or even Oden before KD. Obviously the Heat's front office is good enough to make the right call - faulting Riley for not having his eyes fully set on Wade is such a whiney rebuttal. lol
It's about disrespecting the greatest Heat player. A guy who gave up millions for the franchise. It's about doing shit like this:

https://s31.postimg.org/cxtkhf8kb/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_15_PM.png
https://s31.postimg.org/b7ajfxr17/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_27_PM.png

At the end of the day, they didn't even match the Bulls' offer, AFTER they KNEW that they WEREN'T getting KD.


Riley made the decision to choose Wade in the end - close this argument you newly Bulls fan! :lol
He had no other option, Riley ******ger.


he said it's never just his call solely even if he has the authority - Riley has the authority but always hears out his trusted front office
Good lord! Please tell me that you started learning English a couple of years ago.

[Mr Feeny]

Ugh, I posted QUOTES form people who were involved with the process, idiot.


Riley literally wasn't sold on Wade until Grover convinced him ON THE DAY OF THE DRAFT.


It's about disrespecting the greatest Heat player. A guy who gave up millions for the franchise. It's about doing shit like this:

https://s31.postimg.org/cxtkhf8kb/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_15_PM.png
https://s31.postimg.org/b7ajfxr17/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_27_PM.png

At the end of the day, they didn't even match the Bulls' offer, AFTER they KNEW that they WEREN'T getting KD.


He had no other option, Riley ******ger.


Good lord! Please tell me that you started learning English a couple of years ago.

That's really classless by Riley. How could you treat the best player in the team's history like that.

[r15mohd]

That's really classless by Riley. How could you treat the best player in the team's history like that.


all Heat contract talks have gone through Wade's agent before - why an issue now? not to mention the Heat have season-end meetings yearly, no reason this didn't happen this year either.

if it's specific to just a call, and not meaning any contact at all - i say boo-hoo!!! the phone works both ways. tired of this generations estrogen filled guys - OMG, he didn't call me. :facepalm

[aj1987]

That's really classless by Riley. How could you treat the best player in the team's history like that.
Yep. One of the reasons as to why Wade was pissed off. It's going to turn off a lot of big name FA's as well. Who'd want to play in Miami with the way they treated the teams greatest player. The shade Riley threw at LeBron after he left as well.

[r15mohd]

Ugh, I posted QUOTES form people who were involved with the process, idiot.


Riley literally wasn't sold on Wade until Grover convinced him ON THE DAY OF THE DRAFT.


It's about disrespecting the greatest Heat player. A guy who gave up millions for the franchise. It's about doing shit like this:

https://s31.postimg.org/cxtkhf8kb/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_15_PM.png
https://s31.postimg.org/b7ajfxr17/Screen_Shot_2016_07_07_at_9_13_27_PM.png

At the end of the day, they didn't even match the Bulls' offer, AFTER they KNEW that they WEREN'T getting KD.


He had no other option, Riley ******ger.


Good lord! Please tell me that you started learning English a couple of years ago.

yea, umm Riley did this before with the Heat's greatest player at the time with Zo (before Wade was unanimously the greatest Heat player). what makes you think Riley would play it any different with Wade now?

as for other press response to the draft pick - whoop, you posted Riley saying he got the feedback from his staff and then ultimately made the decision that night. seems that is great leadership and believing in your collected team than going solely with his gut. you want to then label Riley an idiot because he had other ideas too that night but didn't go based on gut only :facepalm

in the end, Riley has the say - he has that authority. he, however, does not solely make the decisions because he knows feedback is important. you don't seem to grasp this part of the decision making process of Riley.

[PJR]

Yep. One of the reasons as to why Wade was pissed off. It's going to turn off a lot of big name FA's as well. Who'd want to play in Miami with the way they treated the teams greatest player. The shade Riley threw at LeBron after he left as well.

Lol. As the Heat are located in Miami, and there is no state income tax in the state of Florida, the Heat are going to be just fine.

Are you a Chicago Bulls fan now? Cool. Good luck next year with your following of Wade to his new team. :applause:

[Haymaker]

Riley could've paid him what he wanted. There's a lot of excess baggage in that team that he could've moved.

[Cap'n Obvious]

Quit with that God Father BS. You let the man that made your franchise walk over a few mill or an extra year? It sucks Heat fans wont get to see their hero retire in their jersey. Its a special feeling seeing something like that. Kobe's last game was magnificent for Laker fans and everyone else. Now he's gonna play his last games in a BULLS jersey. Pathetic.

**** Pat Riley.
No guarantee that he ends with the Bulls.

[aj1987]

yea, umm Riley did this before with the Heat's greatest player at the time with Zo (before Wade was unanimously the greatest Heat player). what makes you think Riley would play it any different with Wade now?
Are you comparing Wade's stature on the Heat/Miami to Zo's? FOH, kid. :roll: :roll:


as for other press response to the draft pick - whoop, you posted Riley saying he got the feedback from his staff and then ultimately made the decision that night. seems that is great leadership and believing in your collected team than going solely with his gut. you want to then label Riley an idiot because he had other ideas too that night but didn't go based on gut only :facepalm
He had no other option.


in the end, Riley has the say - he has that authority. he, however, does not solely make the decisions because he knows feedback is important. you don't seem to grasp this part of the decision making process of Riley.
Nope.


It was never just my call even if I have that authority. That night it was a consensus. We discussed it. When it comes right down to it, I'm not going to be bull-headed. We made the decision a few hours before the draft that we were going to take Dwyane if he was on the board.
Which implies that he didn't have the authority. Retard.


Lol. As the Heat are located in Miami, and there is no state income tax in the state of Florida, the Heat are going to be just fine.

Are you a Chicago Bulls fan now? Cool. Good luck next year with your following of Wade to his new team. :applause:
The same way you jumped shit to the Cavs when LeBron left. Congrats on the chip. :applause:

/sarcasm

[tpols]

hahaha meltdowns everywhere

[Dresta]

Think this guy has got things right:

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ethan-j-skolnick/article88119252.html

Riley took Wade for granted and evidently Wade didn't like it; Wade's like the ignored girlfriend each year going "I'll leave if you don't treat me right, I swear!"--you can only ignore someone feeling unappreciated for so long before it bites you in the arse.

And i think Wade had at least as much to do with the big 3 as Riley.

[FireDavidKahn]

He isn't a phony at all...Riley is unarguably one of the greatest basketball minds in history.

He is, however, one of the biggest slimeballs ever.

I mean, you can just feel the grease oozing out of every pore on his body just by looking at him.

[DoctorP]

I have a feeling Wade's relationship with LeBron irked Riley the wrong way.

Wade to Chicago is a good story. Heat are in the midst of a youth movement.

Heat didnt want to pay a LeBron associate.

Wade gets to live his childhood dream.

Everyone wins.

[tomtucker]

agreed

[r15mohd]

I have a feeling Wade's relationship with LeBron irked Riley the wrong way.

Wade to Chicago is a good story. Heat are in the midst of a youth movement.

Heat didnt want to pay a LeBron associate.

Wade gets to live his childhood dream.

Everyone wins.

Riley wins - doubt Wade thinks he wins.A s much as he says he wanted to live out his childhood dream, he never was the "coming home" player. Miami is Wade's home.

all this back and forth, and they're saying Wade basically signed for $1mil more per year (after taxes) by choosing to go to Chicago. 2yr/$40 mil was reasonable, you live out the career as a Heat, you give the Heat the leverage we need to move forward and you likely get a huge back end deal with bird rights that makes up for all the headaches through the years of you sacrificing - and front office position that will pay you heavily, as well, one retired.

Wade needs a new agent and advisor - highly doubt the Lebron issue is much a factor. Having Wade on the Heat as a 2nd/3rd option is a selling point - even moving him to 6th man in a couple years speaks loudly to any superstars outlook of the Heat roster. Riley is well aware of this, but he's not going to handicap the Heat to make that a selling point

[DoctorP]

Riley wins - doubt Wade thinks he wins.A s much as he says he wanted to live out his childhood dream, he never was the "coming home" player. Miami is Wade's home.

all this back and forth, and they're saying Wade basically signed for $1mil more per year (after taxes) by choosing to go to Chicago. 2yr/$40 mil was reasonable, you live out the career as a Heat, you give the Heat the leverage we need to move forward and you likely get a huge back end deal with bird rights that makes up for all the headaches through the years of you sacrificing - and front office position that will pay you heavily, as well, one retired.

Wade needs a new agent and advisor - highly doubt the Lebron issue is much a factor. Having Wade on the Heat as a 2nd/3rd option is a selling point - even moving him to 6th man in a couple years speaks loudly to any superstars outlook of the Heat roster. Riley is well aware of this, but he's not going to handicap the Heat to make that a selling point


That's on Wade. If he left it's because he wanted to leave so then he wins too. Wade was not forced to leave.

[Stringer Bell]

He isn't a phony at all...Riley is unarguably one of the greatest basketball minds in history.

He is, however, one of the biggest slimeballs ever.

I mean, you can just feel the grease oozing out of every pore on his body just by looking at him.

Yeah, the book on the Showtime Lakers talks in detail about what a complete scumbag he is as a person. Not merely in the name of competition, but just treating people crappy and having an ego bigger than the players. He started off likeable when he was an assistant, but became increasingly insufferable once he became head coach in 1981 and had success.

Excerpts from the book: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1967588-exclusive-book-excerpt-bitter-dark-days-of-pat-riley-and-the-showtime-lakers

As far as Wade goes, it's one of those "just business" things where no one is particularly in the right or wrong. Of course Wade wants more money, and has a right to feel like he deserves more after all he's done for the franchise. Riley is still trying to win games, and doesn't want to give that big contract to a 13 year veteran guard with aging knees. Wade has taken pay cuts in the past, and that is unselfish in that regard, but it's not like Wade didn't get anything out of it. He got 2 rings and 4 title appearances in 4 years. Wade made the sacrifice to make "only" $16 million/year, and both he and the Heat benefited from it.

Unfortunately there is little room for loyalty in sports (or big business in general), which is why I roll my eyes when people get mad for players for being "traitors" for not being "loyal" to the organization. Like that idiot burning Wade's jersey for leaving the Heat. Yeah, the organization may like you, but you are or will most likely eventually be expendable. When the Celtics were doing poorly in the 90s, people were saying that the Celtic organization was "too loyal" for relying the old guys Bird, McHale, and Parish.

Winning is pretty much the bottom line, and most of the time, everything is forgiven. Free agents in the future may look at the Heat and know Riley is cut-throat and a d-bag, but still weigh the options and go there if the Heat are doing well and they like the money. Players nowadays have the option to be more like mercanaries since they have more freedom than in the past.

[Hey Yo]

People applauded Riley for allegedly not bowing down to LeBron and his wants, yet are bitching now about Riley not doing it for Wade.

the best option was not to give Wade a Kobe team killing contract.

[Springsteen]

This decision will haunt Miami. Players are aware of how franchises treat players. That Kobe contract didnt cripple anything, they werent gonna win then and it helped us pave the way for what we are building now. LOL idiot.

Yup, seeing how the Lakers treated Kobe with that fat contract sure brought in the superstars this offseason. :roll:

[CelticBaller]

What kind of shit argument is this? Players will remember how Mark treats his players and how Riley treats his players. It goes a long way idiot.
How many free agent stars sign with them?

This is a dumb argument, you know what really affects free agency attraction? Being a competitive team with a good FO.

[aj1987]

I've never seen a Heat "fan" hate on Wade as much as r15dumbass does. Quit pretending to be a Heat fan.

[r15mohd]

I've never seen a Heat "fan" hate on Wade as much as r15dumbass does. Quit pretending to be a Heat fan.

I side with Riley - not Wade. Wade was good through 2013 (for the most part), he aint winning us anything as a first option anymore but feels he is 1st option pay worthy. so if you feel I'm hating because I rather the Heat invest in younger talent rather than aging Wade, so be it. Wade is fine at a certain price, 2/$40mil is more than I would gift him but with the announced cap and the flexibility of the offer, it still allows for him to be respected with an offer and then be gifted through bird rights later, that's fine - take it and shut up. but if he, and the handful of stans, think he's desrving much more - glad to see you all go while we rebuild for the future rather than prolonging it. i've been this way with Wade for years, and it hasn't changed nor will it. Wade will get my applause at the first game back at the triple-A, but hooray and I hope Miami blows out the Bulls that day.

the ironic thing of this is Wade was looking to make a huge statement by testing FA and going elsewhere - and had he signed with Denver, then yea - you got yours with the price they offered and stuck it to the Heat/Riley. however, with Chicago, you basically earn $1mil more per year after taxes in choosing their offer over Miami's. so forgive me for not being a Wade comforter and apologist - you stans can continue to do this for him - this decision was as stupid as it comes.

anyhoo - you won't be around Heat discussions anymore, seeing you're a Bulls fan now :hammerhead: the phony front you put up in being a Heat fan first over a Wade stan is up - buy your newly Bulls #3 jersey and the next signature Li-Ning's and go your merry way :D

[Horde of Temujin]

D Whistle is phoney and pretty much a bad human being. Pat Riley has worked with class acts

[GOBB]

I initially supported Wade but now I feel both sides are at fault. Wade for not taking what is being reported (if true). But Miami because they could have gave him more & not been hurt by it. 13 years of service from a hall of famer, top 5 SG of all time? Only a 2 year deal. At worst year 2 may have stung given the salary and his production assuming if Wade had a major drop off or injury. But eh, he should be finishing his career in Miami.

[ILLsmak]

It's because he's the Godfather that he kicked Wade out. You see, they don't want this aging star to dominate their cap ala Kobe in Lakers. Is he bringing them anywhere? Nope. Would paying him a lot hinder their free agent plan for next season? Yep.

It's a long term thing, tho... if you are the Godfather you take care of your family. You don't dump them when they are no longer useful. It might work in the mafia, but it doesn't work in bball where people can see you... and they are like hmm!

It's true tho without Wade, no rings for Miami. Maybe no rings ever again. Oh well, gg.

-Smak

[Vragrant]

Riley f'd up big time. I think this may have not only short , but long term consequences for the organization. It amazes me how smug some Heat fans are.

It's like they think Riley will wave his magic rings, and free agents will come running. Does Riley not realize how influential his two former superstars are in the league? Lebron in particular who did not part with Riley on good terms. Now you have this Wade debacle.

Elite players are a fraternity in the league, do you think any future player would not discuss a future Heat signing with them? Especially Lebron who wields enormous influence in the league. I'd imagine it would not be a great endorsement. It's a new day with player empowerment, and I wouldn't surprise me that Lebron/Wade hold more cache than Riley.

This could have a domino effect that could hurt Riley who prefers to build teams through free agency, not the draft.

Also what makes things worse is that the Heat organization has been beating that drum of 'loyalty' 'family', and Riley doesn't even call the organizations greatest player during contract negotiations? They just look like hypocrites at this point.

I'd wager Wades' presence alone has probably doubled the franchises value, when you take championships/merchandise/attendance into account.

[OnFire]

Only an idiot would have traded away Winslow or Richardson just to give wade a few more million per year. On top of that, over half of the roster would have had to been minimum contracts. F that. The lakers tried that and they can't even get a free agent to sit down with them. Miami barely has any draft picks for the next 5 years, gotta hang onto the young players already on roster.

[Lebron23]

Riley did the right thing. And don't blame him just because the Heat owner is cheap.

[HurricaneKid]

It's a long term thing, tho... if you are the Godfather you take care of your family. You don't dump them when they are no longer useful. It might work in the mafia, but it doesn't work in bball where people can see you... and they are like hmm!

It's true tho without Wade, no rings for Miami. Maybe no rings ever again. Oh well, gg.

-Smak

Serious question. We all know Riles preaches family. Who has he ever taken care of as a family member? He sent Zo to Jersey. He got sent packing from LA. He keeps,saying stuff like that to get guys to take less. And as soon as you no longer hold value he dumps you and blames you for making the choice to leave the family.

He is a legendarily nasty man that has betrayed everyone that ever got him to where he is.

[aj1987]

I side with Riley - not Wade. Wade was good through 2013 (for the most part), he aint winning us anything as a first option anymore but feels he is 1st option pay worthy. so if you feel I'm hating because I rather the Heat invest in younger talent rather than aging Wade, so be it. Wade is fine at a certain price, 2/$40mil is more than I would gift him but with the announced cap and the flexibility of the offer, it still allows for him to be respected with an offer and then be gifted through bird rights later, that's fine - take it and shut up. but if he, and the handful of stans, think he's desrving much more - glad to see you all go while we rebuild for the future rather than prolonging it. i've been this way with Wade for years, and it hasn't changed nor will it. Wade will get my applause at the first game back at the triple-A, but hooray and I hope Miami blows out the Bulls that day.

the ironic thing of this is Wade was looking to make a huge statement by testing FA and going elsewhere - and had he signed with Denver, then yea - you got yours with the price they offered and stuck it to the Heat/Riley. however, with Chicago, you basically earn $1mil more per year after taxes in choosing their offer over Miami's. so forgive me for not being a Wade comforter and apologist - you stans can continue to do this for him - this decision was as stupid as it comes.

You still don't get it, do you. Rat and Arison could've matched the Bulls' offer. Miami's isn't signing anyone noteworthy this season or the next. Unless WB decides to sign with the Heat, which he won't. For once, Arison, the cheap ****, could've splurged and given Wade what he wanted. There's this thing called courtesy. The LEAST Riley could've done was call Wade as well. He does keep spewing that Wade is like family to him.


anyhoo - you won't be around Heat discussions anymore, seeing you're a Bulls fan now :hammerhead: the phony front you put up in being a Heat fan first over a Wade stan is up - buy your newly Bulls #3 jersey and the next signature Li-Ning's and go your merry way :D
As I said, I've been a Heat fan before you started rubbing it out to Riley and will be one after that rat retires. Unlike you, I'm loyal to the Heat. Funny, how I was one of the few who was still posting in Heat GT's after LeBron left and you immediately jumped ship. :oldlol:

Now GTFO and stick to mastrubating to the rat.


Serious question. We all know Riles preaches family. Who has he ever taken care of as a family member? He sent Zo to Jersey. He got sent packing from LA. He keeps,saying stuff like that to get guys to take less. And as soon as you no longer hold value he dumps you and blames you for making the choice to leave the family.

He is a legendarily nasty man that has betrayed everyone that ever got him to where he is.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[r15mohd]

You still don't get it, do you. Rat and Arison could've matched the Bulls' offer. Miami's isn't signing anyone noteworthy this season or the next. Unless WB decides to sign with the Heat, which he won't. For once, Arison, the cheap ****, could've splurged and given Wade what he wanted. There's this thing called courtesy. The LEAST Riley could've done was call Wade as well. He does keep spewing that Wade is like family to him.

Riley and the Heat were in contact with Wade - more specifically, direct contact with Wade's agent. just becuase Riley didn't call Wade directly, doesn't mean the Heat weren't in contact and negotiating. Riley gave Wade the hard line amount - and it was Wade's decision to go to Chicago for roughly $1mil more per year than what Miami offered him.

Wade wanted to make a statement over principal - howeve, this is blowing up in his face bcuz no one but the Heat would back-end pay Wade. Not to mention he has no more bird rights since moving on from the Heat, and who knows what will be the front office situation for Wade once he retires.


As I said, I've been a Heat fan before you started rubbing it out to Riley and will be one after that rat retires. Unlike you, I'm loyal to the Heat. Funny, how I was one of the few who was still posting in Heat GT's after LeBron left and you immediately jumped ship. :oldlol:

Now GTFO and stick to mastrubating to the rat.

Lol the meltdown is real hahah

Becoming a heat fan when Wade was drafted ain't gonna cut it as being a long time heat lifer lol keep trying.

hows the Transfer process from a Heat to Bulls fan going, has poido and those guys accepted u to the Bulls fam?!? Better submit your application before it fills up! :lol

[PJR]

Serious question. We all know Riles preaches family. Who has he ever taken care of as a family member? He sent Zo to Jersey. He got sent packing from LA. He keeps,saying stuff like that to get guys to take less. And as soon as you no longer hold value he dumps you and blames you for making the choice to leave the family.

He is a legendarily nasty man that has betrayed everyone that ever got him to where he is.

Zo left on his own accord to chase a championship in New Jersey, but lets make stuff up. He would also later come back, and become a key contributor on the Heat's first championship.

He also currently's holds a Prominent role in the organization as Riley's right hand man as Vice President of Player Programs, but yeah, let's continue to make shit up. :oldlol:

[Dresta]

The biggest mistake Riley made was giving Bosh that contract: should've just let the guy go to Houston, then he could have paid Wade, and signed someone else.

[PJR]

The biggest mistake Riley made was giving Bosh that contract: should've just let the guy go to Houston, then he could have paid Wade, and signed someone else.

Hindsight is 20/20. Bosh was still in prime, healthier, with legit shooting ability. And with the cap projected to go up, it was a worthy investment.

Bosh is a really good player when featured. No one could've predicted the blood clotting situation.

[Dresta]

Hindsight is 20/20. Bosh was still in prime, healthier, with legit shooting ability. And with the cap projected to go up, it was a worthy investment.

Bosh is a really good player when featured. No one could've predicted the blood clotting situation.
He was never worth that contract. It was a panic contract, and a mistake; Riley upped Houston by like $25 million. Hindsight just tells us that it was an even bigger mistake.

[AirTupac]

Throw a max at Dragic doe :lol

[PJR]

He was never worth that contract. It was a panic contract, and a mistake; Riley upped Houston by like $25 million. Hindsight just tells us that it was an even bigger mistake.

Bosh is an 18/8 big man with legit range, and excellent screen and roll defense. He was worth it. Especially considering the incoming cap spike. There was also no one else to sign either.


Had Bosh been a free agent under this current 94 million dollar salary cap environment, he would've gotten 30 million per season from many teams.

[aj1987]

Riley and the Heat were in contact with Wade - more specifically, direct contact with Wade's agent. just becuase Riley didn't call Wade directly, doesn't mean the Heat weren't in contact and negotiating. Riley gave Wade the hard line amount - and it was Wade's decision to go to Chicago for roughly $1mil more per year than what Miami offered him.
It goes deeper than that you Riley dick sucking ******. Rat **** preaches about family, but when it came to Wade, he didn't even call him. I wouldn't expect a rat to understand though.


Wade wanted to make a statement over principal - howeve, this is blowing up in his face bcuz no one but the Heat would back-end pay Wade. Not to mention he has no more bird rights since moving on from the Heat, and who knows what will be the front office situation for Wade once he retires.
Are you kidding me? How much is the rat **** paying you? Literally EVERYONE in South Beach wants Wade back. Cheap AF fatty could've had him, if he just paid $7M more. He doesn't though. Arison is a cheap bastard and Riley is a slimy greaseball.


Lol the meltdown is real hahah
I agree. Why you melting though?


Becoming a heat fan when Wade was drafted ain't gonna cut it as being a long time heat lifer lol keep trying.
Better than being a LeBron fan and a rat **** fan like yourself. :cheers:


hows the Transfer process from a Heat to Bulls fan going, has poido and those guys accepted u to the Bulls fam?!? Better submit your application before it fills up! :lol
I wouldn't know, bruh. Go back to sucking Riley and LeBron off literally and figuratively.