What is a reasonable return for Westbrook?

[TiagoSimoes]

Since im an OKC fan i tend to be biased and overvaluing Bestbrook. Its not like he isnt a top 5 player, but the fact that he only has 1 year left in his contract, it decreases his value and also lowers OKC's leverage.

Most proposed trades ive seen have been awful for the Thunder, so none of that Nick Young + Clarkson BS, because OKC will be looking for quality young players or strong 2017/2018 1st rnd picks.

What can OKC get realistically?

[Im Still Ballin]

3 Khris Middletons

3 Eric Bledsoes (HEALTHY)

[nightprowler10]

Rondo + DWade + Hoiberg. :D

[keep-itreal]

trade the entire Lakers team for Russell Westbrook

[TiagoSimoes]

trade the entire Lakers team for Russell Westbrook

Ill take russel + ingram :rockon:

[AirTupac]

You'll never get Ingram + Russell. At most it would be Clarkson + Randle + 2nd round picks. Mitch wouldnt give up star assets for someone he can get in the FA if he really wants the Lakers.

[Fudge]

D'Angelo + Ingram + Randle

They're just a bunch of young, future role players, so that should do.

[Klay 3D]

I don't think OKC have much leverage unless a contending team wants to make a run for the chip. Then, OKC would ask for core pieces which will be denied. I think the best OKC can do is Boston. Nets' 2017 first, 2018 first, Amir, and either Smart/Bradley.

No young team will be interested in Westbrook because they all know he's going to be a Laker (maybe Clipper) the following year. Makes no sense for a 1-year rental, be a 7-9 seed, and lose out on an attractive draft pick in a loaded class.

[TiagoSimoes]

I don't think OKC have much leverage unless a contending team wants to make a run for the chip. Then, OKC would ask for core pieces which will be denied. I think the best OKC can do is Boston. Nets' 2017 first, 2018 first, Amir, and either Smart/Bradley.

No young team will be interested in Westbrook because they all know he's going to be a Laker (maybe Clipper) the following year. Makes no sense for a 1-year rental, be a 7-9 seed, and lose out on an attractive draft pick in a loaded class.

Yep im mostly looking at Boston because of that Nets 2017 pick. I have no idea what we could get after that. Maybe Jaylen Brown to fill the void at SF?

[BlakFrankWhite]

Kevin Durant's balls on a fkin stick!

[r15mohd]

Dragic, McBob and future draft pick for Westbrook


Heat take westbrook on rental and woo him as a player rather than just pitching him in the offseason to sign. We can then offer a 5yr max rather than 4yr as a FA pick up. Heat get rid of Dragic's contract and OKC get something in return rather than Westbrook walking free

Heat:
Whiteside
Bosh (if healthy or PF pickup)
Winslow
Richardson + vet pickup
Westbrook/Richardson

if Westbrook walks in 2017, not bad either, we don't have Dragic's contract to prevent a full rebuild and paying out lousy contracts.

OKC gets a decent PG, a filler for losing Ibaka with a stretch 4 in McBob and a future 1st rounder.

[hateraid]

It all depends on a sign and trade. As mentioned above he's in a contract year. No point reading for him now. Most teams will let him play out the season. He's more likely to leave midway to a team on the verge of contending and seeded high after ASB.

[hateraid]

Having said that:
Detroit gives Reggie Jackson back with Stanley Johnson and pick/Tobias Harris?

[TiagoSimoes]

Dragic, McBob and future draft pick for Westbrook


Heat take westbrook on rental and woo him as a player rather than just pitching him in the offseason to sign. We can then offer a 5yr max rather than 4yr as a FA pick up. Heat get rid of Dragic's contract and OKC get something in return rather than Westbrook walking free

Heat:
Whiteside
Bosh (if healthy or PF pickup)
Winslow
Richardson + vet pickup
Westbrook/Richardson

if Westbrook walks in 2017, not bad either, we don't have Dragic's contract to prevent a full rebuild and paying out lousy contracts.

OKC gets a decent PG, a filler for losing Ibaka with a stretch 4 in McBob and a future 1st rounder.

Even worse than Nick Young + Clarkson. Atleast Clarkson is pretty decent and is on a great contract. McBob wouldnt be part of the team's future, that draft pick wouldnt be a lottery pick and dragic has a cancer contract that would screw OKC for years to come. Id prolly prefer to let westbrook walk for nothing just to clear cap than to get a lousy draft pick and dragic's contract.
Unless you were being ironic, and u managed to pull off a very funny joke :applause:



Having said that:
Detroit gives Reggie Jackson back with Stanley Johnson and pick?

Meh draft pick, but i really like stanley johnson and think he will be a stud. I dont really like reggie as your main PG, but he can probably be easily traded for more assets id say. Id still look for a bit more imo

[DMAVS41]

A lot.

It doesn't matter that much that he only has a year left. He's a top 5 player in the league in the heart of his prime.

This is a franchise changing player and the team that gets him can pay him the most money.

Obviously there have to be conversations about him staying, but his value is still super high.

Something like Jaylen Brown, Smart/IT, and the Nets pick.

I heard a rumor of Bledose, Bender, and future unprotected first.

Both of those are in line with his value imo.

He is not getting traded for Dragic/Winslow type shit...

[TiagoSimoes]

A lot.
Something like Jaylen Brown, Smart, and the Nets pick.


id be all over that

[r15mohd]

Even worse than Nick Young + Clarkson. Atleast Clarkson is pretty decent and is on a great contract. McBob wouldnt be part of the team's future, that draft pick wouldnt be a lottery pick and dragic has a cancer contract that would screw OKC for years to come. Id prolly prefer to let westbrook walk for nothing just to clear cap than to get a lousy draft pick and dragic's contract.
Unless you were being ironic, and u managed to pull off a very funny joke :applause:




Dragic contract is actually OK given the new cap - 18-19mil per year through 2020. the length is the concerning issue, but certainly not the money. there's also the other issue that there aren't many PG's available in FA next year - it's Westbrook, Rose and CP3. CP3 isn' coming to OKC, Rose is dependent on his upcoming year - and Westbrook is not resigning either.

As for McBob - he is an expirer really, has a player option after this season so it's not a bad aspect of the deal. He also fills some of slack Ibaka is leaving, a true stretch 4 at that in McBob.

the pick is what it is - it's there for the taking. the only other adjustment to the trade would be Dragic, McBob and Winslow. There's a few SF's available next summer so the Heat can shop for one if we lose Winslow (would really like to keep Winslow tho but it's gotta be risked)

i'm being serious! :D i mean it's an offer, doesn't hurt and if we don't get him via trade then we pitch to him next summer

[bigkingsfan]

First edition Charizard

[TiagoSimoes]

Dragic contract is actually OK given the new cap - 18-19mil per year through 2020. the length is the concerning issue, but certainly not the money. there's also the other issue that there aren't many PG's available in FA next year - it's Westbrook, Rose and CP3. CP3 isn' coming to OKC, Rose is dependent on his upcoming year - and Westbrook is not resigning either.

As for McBob - he is an expirer really, has a player option after this season so it's not a bad aspect of the deal. He also fills some of slack Ibaka is leaving, a true stretch 4 at that in McBob.

the pick is what it is - it's there for the taking. the only other adjustment to the trade would be Dragic, McBob and Winslow. There's a few SF's available next summer so the Heat can shop for one if we lose Winslow (would really like to keep Winslow tho but it's gotta be risked)

i'm being serious! :D i mean it's an offer, doesn't hurt and if we don't get him via trade then we pitch to him next summer

Im 100% sure that we will get atleast 3/4 better offers than that. What your not seeing is that OKC wont be looking for average players that really wont be doing much besides keeping OKC fighting for the 8th seed(McBob,Dragic). They will be looking for good young players, draft picks and good contracts. They are going to rebuild around young players like oladipo and adams.

Pretty much everything that the Heat dont have available.

[DMAVS41]

Dragic contract is actually OK given the new cap - 18-19mil per year through 2020. the length is the concerning issue, but certainly not the money. there's also the other issue that there aren't many PG's available in FA next year - it's Westbrook, Rose and CP3. CP3 isn' coming to OKC, Rose is dependent on his upcoming year - and Westbrook is not resigning either.

As for McBob - he is an expirer really, has a player option after this season so it's not a bad aspect of the deal. He also fills some of slack Ibaka is leaving, a true stretch 4 at that in McBob.

the pick is what it is - it's there for the taking. the only other adjustment to the trade would be Dragic, McBob and Winslow. There's a few SF's available next summer so the Heat can shop for one if we lose Winslow (would really like to keep Winslow tho but it's gotta be risked)

i'm being serious! :D i mean it's an offer, doesn't hurt and if we don't get him via trade then we pitch to him next summer

It is not close to good enough man. Dragic doesn't move the needle enough and McBob is close to worthless.

The Heat just don't have enough. Dragic/Winslow/Josh Richardson and 2 first rounders probably isn't good enough.

[Klay 3D]

It is not close to good enough man. Dragic doesn't move the needle enough and McBob is close to worthless.

The Heat just don't have enough. Dragic/Winslow/Josh Richardson and 2 first rounders probably isn't good enough.
You're kidding. OKC would jump on a Winslow/Richardson/picks deal. Two players that are a 16/6 type in the near future. OKC would suck this year and probably the next, but once they hit gold in the draft again, they'd be contending once again with great championship-caliber role players in their prime.

[r15mohd]

You're kidding. OKC would jump on a Winslow/Richardson/picks deal. Two players that are a 16/6 type in the near future. OKC would suck this year and probably the next, but once they hit gold in the draft again, they'd be contending once again with great championship-caliber role players in their prime.


yea -this they would. But the Heat won't offer both, or at least I don't think they'll leverage their future with both. Winslow, Mcbob and picks seems feasible - McBob the expired but fills a void for the year and Winslow a developing SF who is the next going of Artest to me.

it's a big discussion for the Heat right now - they know they can get Westbrook since Westbrook wants out, but what's it gonna take to have Presti say yes.

might all be a pipe-dream, but so was Lebron coming to Miami in 2010 :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[DMAVS41]

You're kidding. OKC would jump on a Winslow/Richardson/picks deal. Two players that are a 16/6 type in the near future. OKC would suck this year and probably the next, but once they hit gold in the draft again, they'd be contending once again with great championship-caliber role players in their prime.

Not when teams are going to be offering more. You can't assume they hit gold in the draft with two out of lottery first round picks. I don't even think the Heat can offer that, but was just talking in a broad sense.

That is not a great haul for an in prime Russ. Is it terrible? No, but other teams will beat that offer.

The reported Suns offer, for example, is better than that.

Bledsoe is better and younger and on a better contract than Dragic. Bledsoe could have a long future on the Thunder past his current contract. Dragic wouldn't. Bender has more potential than either Winslow and Richardson. And the pick will be better as well.

[Alan Ogg]

I offer Dragic / Winslow / future 1st rounder.

[CTbasketball92]

Just had to chime in.

Westbrook is most definitely a top 5 player in the NBA. If he went to the Pacers they would be guaranteed a spot in the Eastern Conference finals, and honestly with him and paul george, they could easily compete with Cavs and GSW.

[DMAVS41]

I offer Dragic / Winslow / future 1st rounder.

And hopefully Presti would immediately hang up the phone.

[WolfGang]

Buddy H. and two draft picks.

Goatbrook
Jrue
Tyreke
Davis
Asik

[34-24 Footwork]

You'll never get Ingram + Russell. At most it would be Clarkson + Randle + 2nd round picks. Mitch wouldnt give up star assets for someone he can get in the FA if he really wants the Lakers.

If the Lakers trade Randle or Clarkson then Buss is DEFINITELY gone.

Clarkson, Randle, Nance and Ingram are untouchable for the time being if I'm serious about rebuilding the organization.

[34-24 Footwork]

Just had to chime in.

Westbrook is most definitely a top 5 player in the NBA. If he went to the Pacers they would be guaranteed a spot in the Eastern Conference finals, and honestly with him and paul george, they could easily compete with Cavs and GSW.

Westbrook
Ellis
George
Miles Turner
Mahimi


Definitely and explosiveback court. I'd watch that team every f.u cking game.

[Thorpesaurous]

A lot.

It doesn't matter that much that he only has a year left. He's a top 5 player in the league in the heart of his prime.

This is a franchise changing player and the team that gets him can pay him the most money.

Obviously there have to be conversations about him staying, but his value is still super high.

Something like Jaylen Brown, Smart/IT, and the Nets pick.

I heard a rumor of Bledose, Bender, and future unprotected first.

Both of those are in line with his value imo.

He is not getting traded for Dragic/Winslow type shit...


I agree with both of those Celtic and Sun packages as being fair return. Although as a C's guy, I wouldn't want to give up that Nets pick without a re-upped contract in hand. I'd probably try to push the pick out a year.