GS Losing Barbosa and Speights Is Huge

[SilkkTheShocker]

You guys can s.uck off KD all you want, that bench sucks and they have no rim protection. They hit the panic button after getting r.aped by LeBron in historical fashion, and tore apart their depth. Barbosa absolutely lit the Cavs up anytime he played last two Finals. And Speights always gave them problems. Not LB signed with the Suns. And GS has no money for Speights unless he takes the minimum (0%). I hope GS keeps getting the hype for their all-star starting lineup, because it's only going to prop-up LeBron's legacy even more when he crushes them again

[Proctor]

It is huge, because even if they pull off a ring their roster is a far-cry from dynasty. Speights relished the opportunity to jizz 3s on opponents, literally the human victory cigar. And Barbosa played GREAT.

[imdaman99]

Barbosa had more of an impact than Curry in the Finals :lol

[Klay 3D]

Speights is shit
Barbosa is legit though

[Haymaker]

You guys can s.uck off KD all you want, that bench sucks and they have no rim protection. They hit the panic button after getting r.aped by LeBron in historical fashion, and tore apart their depth. Barbosa absolutely lit the Cavs up anytime he played last two Finals. And Speights always gave them problems. Not LB signed with the Suns. And GS has no money for Speights unless he takes the minimum (0%). I hope GS keeps getting the hype for their all-star starting lineup, because it's only going to prop-up LeBron's legacy even more when he crushes them again

Not only their depth, but the chemistry they built throughout the years.

[SouBeachTalents]

Barbosa had more of an impact than Curry in the Finals :lol

Outside of Game 4,Curry had no positive impact for the Warriors all series

[DMAVS41]

Not huge at all and would only impact the regular season. You make it sound like the Warriors won't have other players at the minimum to play those roles.

They played 11 minutes and 8 minutes respectively in the playoffs.

I'd rather have David West than Speights...so they've already taken care of that.

Barbosa was nice for sure...we will see who else they get.

[Sakkreth]

Losing Speights will help, losing Barbosa will hurt.

[beastee]

West and Zaza are so much a better fit for their style. Bogut is the biggest loss for them, but really...they got the 2nd best player in the league.

Lebron would literally need to turn into superman to beat these guys.

[KrizMiz]

8 man rotation incomming

[Haymaker]

West and Zaza are so much a better fit for their style. Bogut is the biggest loss for them, but really...they got the 2nd best player in the league.

Lebron would literally need to turn into superman to beat these guys.

Zaza don't have half the bball IQ of Bogut. He's all brawn, no brain.

[DMAVS41]

Zaza don't have half the bball IQ of Bogut. He's all brawn, no brain.

Here is the question;

Rather have Barnes/Bogut/Barbosa/Speights or...

Durant/Zaza/West/Player X

It is not close.

[SilkkTheShocker]

West and Zaza are so much a better fit for their style. Bogut is the biggest loss for them, but really...they got the 2nd best player in the league.

Lebron would literally need to turn into superman to beat these guys.

Same thing was said last season. Warriors were considered in some circles the best team in NBA history. And everyone and their dog said they were a lock to win it all before playoffs. Durant is a huge upgrade at SF. But losing Bogut and the bench that game Cleveland problems will even things out.

[RedBlackAttack]

So, wait... they added Kevin Durant and might be slightly less deep (maybe)?

Oh the humanity.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Zaza don't have half the bball IQ of Bogut. He's all brawn, no brain.

Anyone arguing for Zaza >> Bogut doesn't watch the games. Zaza is more durable. But Bogut is the better rim protector. LeBron and Irving got to the rim at will when he was out. Zaza was good for 30+ game last year, than he went off a cliff.

[DMAVS41]

So, wait... they added Kevin Durant and might be slightly less deep (maybe)?

Oh the humanity.

:applause:

They've already added Zaza and West and aren't close to done. How can they recover?

[SilkkTheShocker]

David West was ass last season. Not sure why that is supposed to be a big signing. He is a terrible defender that doesn't rebound.

[Solefade]

Here is the question;

Rather have Barnes/Bogut/Barbosa/Speights or...

Durant/Zaza/West/Player X

It is not close.


i don't know about "it's not close" cus we have to see how it turns out..but GSW strived off chemistry/trusting each other and continuity..that's obviously gone now in place of talent and i don't think it'll be a seamless transition at all

[DMAVS41]

David West was ass last season. Not sure why that is supposed to be a big signing. He is a terrible defender that doesn't rebound.

Big? No...but Speights wasn't "big" for the Warriors.

Do you really think David West in the Speights role in the playoffs is going to be a big drop off?

[tpols]

Anyone arguing for Zaza >> Bogut doesn't watch the games. Zaza is more durable. But Bogut is the better rim protector. LeBron and Irving got to the rim at will when he was out. Zaza was good for 30+ game last year, than he went off a cliff.

now you guys admit Bogut's impact? what happened to the +/- bs?

better late than never i guess ..

but yes having no rim protection will hurt golden state's defense big time in playoffs.. they have nobody clogging the middle.. aside from all the little things Bogut did like catch passes on the perimeter and dribble, make tight bounce passes / handoffs, illegal bone crushing screens.. they're just a small team without him. You can plug zaza in he's nowhere near a plug in the middle or as versatile offensively as Bogut was .. he's more like an old school hustle 4. So the warriors will still be prone to bullied in the playoffs. Durant doesnt help that at all as he himself has been bullied in the playoffs multiple times.. so its not a sure thing at all. Before the warriors frontcourt collapsed, they looked like they would romp to the title.

[DMAVS41]

i don't know about "it's not close" cus we have to see how it turns out..but GSW strived off chemistry/trusting each other and continuity..that's obviously gone now in place of talent and i don't think it'll be a seamless transition at all

How is it gone? The chemistry wasn't that great...4 of Barnes's teammates flew across the country to recruit a player to replace him.

What loyalty and chemistry...how can they replace that?

[SilkkTheShocker]

now you guys admit Bogut's impact? what happened to the +/- bs?

better late than never i guess ..

but yes having no rim protection will hurt golden state's defense big time in playoffs.. they have nobody clogging the middle.. aside from all the little things Bogut did like catch passes on the perimeter and dribble, make tight bounce passes / handoffs, illegal bone crushing screens.. they're just a small team without him. You can plug zaza in he's nowhere near a plug in the middle or as versatile offensively as Bogut was .. he's more like an old school hustle 4. So the warriors will still be prone to bullied in the playoffs. Durant doesnt help that at all as he himself has been bullied in the playoffs multiple times.. so its not a sure thing at all.

Don't remember debating at all with you about Bogut. But it's tough s.hit if they lost him. They won 73 games, had HCA, and the unanimous MVP. They don't get excuses for the worst choke in NBA history :oldlol:

[Solefade]

How is it gone? The chemistry wasn't that great...4 of Barnes's teammates flew across the country to recruit a player to replace him.

What loyalty and chemistry...how can they replace that?


Not just Barnes, but Bogut, Speights, Barbosa...you had guys that understood and accepted their roles..they have to go through this all over again. I put a lot of value into "gel'ing" especially when you get a massive talent like KD...the team overall is more talented but I believe it's gonna take a lot more time to settle than people think..i think acquiring KD also reduces Draymond's impact/value and he'll have to adjust to that

[DMAVS41]

Not just Barnes, but Bogut, Speights, Barbosa...you had guys that understood and accepted their roles..they have to go through this all over again. I put a lot of value into "gel'ing" especially when you get a massive talent like KD...the team overall is more talented but I believe it's gonna take a lot more time to settle than people think..i think acquiring KD also reduces Draymond's impact/value and he'll have to adjust to that

Barnes didn't gel though...the Warriors were great despite him in a lot of ways.

That is what you are missing. What makes you think Durant won't be a better fit? Not only is he a far better player, but he does certain things that will make life way easier on the rest of the Warriors.

The death lineup that destroyed teams just got significantly better.

As for Speights...I just don't see how that is a big loss in any real way.

Bogut/Barbosa will be missed...totally agree.

However, they just added Zaza...he isn't Bogut, but he is a solid player that will fill in nicely for them. Definitely a big pickup. Also, Bogut has hardly been the epitome of health. He got injured yet again.

They aren't done yet as well.

I'll ask again...is there anyone here that doesn't make the following trade;

Barnes/Bogut/Speights/Barbosa for...

Durant/Zaza/West/Player to be named later

Is there anyone in the basketball world that doesn't immediately make that trade?

[TheReal Kendall]

This is everything I said in the other thread pretty much yesterday.

That's why I got the Spurs coming out the west.

Warriors are soft now unless they get a decent rebounding big that can protect the rim.

Zaza and west is no where near as good as Bogut

Glad Barbosa coming back to the suns.

[Terahite]

Barbosa getting nothing but respect in this thread from all sides. A true baller. :bowdown:

[CeltsGarlic]

Bogut was one of the best passers on that team. People forget that a lot

[Haymaker]

but he does certain things that will make life way easier on the rest of the Warriors.


The Warriors didn't had any problems getting buckets. They just folded after the Cavs stepped it up and Bogut got injured.

[Haymaker]

Bogut was one of the best passers on that team. People forget that a lot

Yup. He did so many things that go unnoticed.

[DMAVS41]

The Warriors didn't had any problems getting buckets. They just folded after the Cavs stepped it up and Bogut got injured.

Really?

So Barnes shooting 5 of 32 the last 3 games didn't factor in...interesting theory...tell me more.

[sammichoffate]

This isn't like when Carmelo got traded for the Knicks roster guys :coleman:

[Rocketswin2013]

I just cannot wait until next june already.

[Megabox!]

Yup. He did so many things that go unnoticed.
His illegal screens were clutch as hell too

[Haymaker]

Really?

So Barnes shooting 5 of 32 the last 3 games didn't factor in...interesting theory...tell me more.

Barnes was not their main scorer. You could also point to JR Smith and Shumpert bad shooting stats. That proves nothing. GS was the best offensive team last season, nothing can change that. They had no offensive needs to address in the offseason had they won.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I hate that GSW lost Barbosa as many said dude was basically great of the bench, Boguts defense is also key Harrison is basically replaced by a super version of himself in KD, and Festus is a no factor.

lossing Barbosa and Bogut hurts the rotation.

[DMAVS41]

Barnes was not their main scorer. You could also point to JR Smith and Shumpert bad shooting stats. That proves nothing. GS was the best offensive team last season, nothing can change that. They had no offensive needs to address in the offseason had they won.

Yep. Great point.

Replacing the weakest link on a team with prime Kevin Durant is stupid.

Tell me more...

[PP34Deuce]

The strength of Golden State was not their starting 5 but their 2nd lineup being able to suffocate you defensively and giving the starters enough of a breather to go on huge 15-0 runs to blow games wide open.

The more I watched Golden State the more I saw science behind how they constructed their team. Their 2nd lineup was better defensively and that lineup would force teams to score less than predicted. Then they would go super saiyan by 3rd quarter with the death lineup to blow you out.

They still have 3 star players under 30 so they can definitely do it, but the depth they once had will be inconsistent.

[DMAVS41]

I hate that GSW lost Barbosa as many said dude was basically great of the bench, Boguts defense is also key Harrison is basically replaced by a super version of himself in KD, and Festus is a no factor.

lossing Barbosa and Bogut hurts the rotation.


Agreed.

Adding Zaza and West...with more to come...really lessens that loss though.

[Haymaker]

Yep. Great point.

Replacing the weakest link on a team with prime Kevin Durant is stupid.

Tell me more...

Replacing the successful/deep/versatile bench + starting C and SF AND the chemistry they had with the starters/coach/system for a prime Kevin Durant? More like it.

[DMAVS41]

Replacing the successful/deep/versatile bench + starting C and SF AND the chemistry they had with the starters/coach/system for a prime Kevin Durant? More like it.

Yes...

So you think trading Barnes/Speights/Bogut/Barbosa for...

Durant/Zaza/West/Player X

Was stupid...and you wouldn't have made that deal. Correct?

[Haymaker]

Yes...

So you think trading Barnes/Speights/Bogut/Barbosa for...

Durant/Zaza/West/Player X

Was stupid...and you wouldn't have made that deal. Correct?

Bro, it's not all black & white. I'm done with you.

[DMAVS41]

Bro, it's not all black & white. I'm done with you.

LOL...would you make that trade or not?

It is a simple question.

[warriorfan]

people acting like barnes/barbosa/ezeli are some sort of difference makers...

























:yaohappy:






embarrassing

[DMAVS41]

people acting like barnes/barbosa/ezeli are some sort of difference makers...

























:yaohappy:






embarrassing

So true.

What are the Warriors going to do without the guy that shot 5-32 the last 3 games of the finals and the guy that came in and got roasted in game 7?

How is Kevin Durant going to make up for that?

[Haymaker]

LOL...would you make that trade or not?

It is a simple question.

No if that would ruin my winning formula. But I'm not a GM or an owner, and they have other interests. KD comes with extra revenue/ratings, etc.

[toneloc103]

West and Zaza are so much a better fit for their style. Bogut is the biggest loss for them, but really...they got the 2nd best player in the league.

Lebron would literally need to turn into superman to beat these guys.

Hysterical. zaza is garbage and West is a ring chasing toothless lion. Speights did exactly what they needed. Pick and pop. If you think that having no QUALITY depth means a ring for these guys, you better think again.

Isnt that what you guys said
1. when they won 73 games
2. the finals started
3. when they dubs were up 3-1

I guess LBJ is superman then....

[warriorfan]

The Cavaliers would have lost the series if it was not for Adam Silver's tampering

[DMAVS41]

No if that would ruin my winning formula. But I'm not a GM or an owner, and they have other interests. KD comes with extra revenue/ratings, etc.

How does it ruin your formula?

Bogut played 17 minutes per game in the playoffs....7th man
Barbosa played 11 minutes per game in the playoffs....8th man
Speights played 8 minutes per game in the playoffs....11th man

You just replaced the weakest link on the team with one of the best players of all time in his prime that does everything Barnes can do way better.

You then added two solid veterans in Zaza and West to fill the Bogut/Speights role.

And the Warriors aren't done yet by any means. They will add more.

What about the winning formula changed?

[Haymaker]

What about the winning formula changed?

We don't even know. Let's see what happens in October, see if their gamble will pay off.

[DMAVS41]

We don't even know. Let's see what happens in October, see if their gamble will pay off.

What gamble?

They got an in prime Kevin Durant at their biggest position of need...while losing their 7th/8th/11th men in the playoffs....and they just lost in the finals.

Bogut is injury prone.
Speights doesn't move the needle.
Barbosa isn't good enough to warrant much concern.

How the hell could anyone call that a gamble?

And yea...we will find out in October if this team works. That is why they added Durant...to dominate in the fall.

[Haymaker]

What gamble?

They got an in prime Kevin Durant at their biggest position of need...while losing their 7th/8th/11th men in the playoffs....and they just lost in the finals.

How the hell could anyone call that a gamble?

Fvck man, enough. I just punched out of work. Take a walk or something.

[DMAVS41]

Fvck man, enough. I just punched out of work. Take a walk or something.

:cheers:

[KingBeasley08]

It's a huge loss. I was legit more scared of Barbosa than Curry or Thompson in the Finals. Dude was an assassin and only player other than Green who showed up

[Spurs m8]

Zaza is a complete dumb f*ck

[West-Side]

In the playoffs you usually go with your best 7/8 players. GS will have the luxury to have two of their best four players on the court at all times. They still have guys like Livingston and Iggy. They added West.

GS are scary not because they have 4 stars but because they have 4 stars in their PRIME. That luxury will allow them to sign serviceable fillers for cheap.

Durant, West, Zaza >>> Barnes, Barbosa, Bogut etc.
It's funny watching Bron fans trying to convince themselves of the contrary.

[Ai2death]

There's still only one ball, GSW would excel if they can convince the commissioner to bring in Multi-Ball

[DMAVS41]

Zaza is a complete dumb f*ck

Why?

[pedromarinho]

People talking about chemistry and stuff...

They lost didn't they? They had to change something.

You can say whatever you want but the starting 5 will be unbeatable in the PlayOffs... That's what they are focused in... The PO's...

Adding KD and losing a bit of chemistry is a no brainer.

[pedromarinho]

In the playoffs you usually go with your best 7/8 players. GS will have the luxury to have two of their best four players on the court at all times. They still have guys like Livingston and Iggy. They added West.

GS are scary not because they have 4 stars but because they have 4 stars in their PRIME. That luxury will allow them to sign serviceable fillers for cheap.

Durant, West, Zaza >>> Barnes, Barbosa, Bogut etc.
It's funny watching Bron fans trying to convince themselves of the contrary.this