Kobe Is Factually Top 7 All-Time

[branslowski]

People letting BSPN and trolls on this forum gas their heads up to make idiotic claims. Most casual people who aren't on basketball forums or espn boards have Kobe in their top 5. Alot of these people only speak of 3 basketball players (Jordan, Kobe, Bron)...I'm talkin barber shops, bars, basketball ball court convos, convos at work, convos on the block relaxing, random ppl you see exc.. Most peoples top 5 is Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, LeBron just in the casual world...With that being said I have Kobe at 7..Not off of opinion but due to straight facts.

Kobe is TOP 5 ALL TIME IN THE FOLLOWING:

All Defensive Teams
All NBA Teams
All Star Selections
Points All Time
Playoff Points All Time
Playoff Steals All Time

Of players with a combination of Titles and Finals MVPs he's Top 7 All Time

In the most important part of the game ( scoring) he's top 5 All Time in 50pt games aswell as 40pt games

He's universally known as a Top 3 most Clutch player All Time (Don't come at me wit the nerd stats/Propaganda).. Kobe has the most Game winners of All Time right After Jordan.

BSPN likes to place Bird ahead of Kobe, yet Kobe avg more ppg and Ast than Bird, has more titles with the same amount of Finals MVPs

When you combine Accolades, Talent, Mark on thr game, exc..There's no way in hell Kobe is outside of the top 8.

Kobe's last 3yrs really got him black balled in that ESPN ranking honestly.. Even ranking him as the worst player in the league when people with a brain knowd damn well the worst player in the league couldn't drop 60pts in a game at age 36... BSPN really has the trolls misguided rightnow to the point where they are ignoring facts.

Just know that as much as we all want for this Forum to change public perception that it really doesn't.. Sh!t just spend a day on Facebook comments that are under any LeBron, Jordan, Kobe pic..Or basketball history in general, most casual fans view Kobe as a top 10 great who was a winner and most clutch since Jordan.

Even watching games over the past 15 years you see most commentators (opposing team) talk about how much of a killer Kobe is and his worth. He's built a legend that can never be knocked down by 5 trolls with 20 accounts..And I'm pretty sure the haters know it's true because they can't stop bringing him up even while he's retired.

Perfect Example is a poster like Arbitrary Water who has 25,000+ post, known Kobe hater whos used atleast 20,000 of those post with the name Kobe, chuckbe, 12be in it. THAT right there tells you all you need to knoe about that.

So again, trolls nor BSPN will change how the outside world views Kobe, and they damn sure can't change the facts that he's Top 7 All Time...Damn sure won't change my mind.

[SouBeachTalents]

Imo Kobe could be ranked anywhere from 7th to 11th, but it's far from fact he's in the top 7

[bigkingsfan]

7th Lakers of all time.

[NBAGOAT]

Kobe is going win plenty of longevity type stats or accolades. Still I value peak/prime play more. Which other guys that usually get mentioned in the top 10 have a worse peak than Kobe? It's possibly Russell and that's it and Russell's defense cant be understated.

[branslowski]

7th Lakers of all time.

Even Magic Johnson himself says that Kobe is the Greatest Laker of All Time ..Me personally with facts has him as the 2nd best Laker behind Kareem.

[Prime_Shaq]

Kobe is factually retired.

[bigkingsfan]

Even Magic Johnson himself says that Kobe is the Greatest Laker of All Time ..Me personally with facts has him as the 2nd best Laker behind Kareem.
Earvin Magic Johnson
✔
@MagicJohnson

LeBron James should be on everybody's Mt. Rushmore...including mine!

[branslowski]

Kobe is going win plenty of longevity type stats or accolades. Still I value peak/prime play more. Which other guys that usually get mentioned in the top 10 have a worse peak than Kobe? It's possibly Russell and that's it and Russell's defense cant be understated.

When yiu view all time list ALL things are considered.. Which is why Kobe only having 1 mvp keeps him out of Top 3 for me...And you wanna talk peak..How many players can have a 35-5-5 season? I honestly don't remember 1 since Jordan.

I have never seen a player have 9 straight 40pt games...I haven't even witnessed a player with 4 straight 50pt games. I have never seen a player outscore a whole team through 3 quarters...Only Kobe...And we want him outside of the Top 10?? Yawl got jokes...Best scorer I seen since MJ left, and Iverson used to be my idol as a kid.

[red1]

top 10 alongside duncan and shaq

[branslowski]

Earvin Magic Johnson
✔
@MagicJohnson

LeBron James should be on everybody's Mt. Rushmore...including mine!

Thats cool, show me where I'm dissin Bron...:facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

When yiu view all time list ALL things are considered.. Which is why Kobe only having 1 mvp keeps him out of Top 3 for me...And you wanna talk peak..How many players can have a 35-5-5 season? I honestly don't remember 1 since Jordan.

I have never seen a player have 9 straight 40pt games...I haven't even witnessed a player with 4 straight 50pt games. I have never seen a player outscore a whole team through 3 quarters...Only Kobe...And we want him outside of the Top 10?? Yawl got jokes...Best scorer I seen since MJ left, and Iverson used to be my idol as a kid.

35/5/5 isn't everything. Big scoring games isn't everything. Ofc efficiency is a thing(ik you Kobe fans don't care about that). MJ has a year he went 37/5/5 and tht's not even one of his top 5 seasons. Kobe took a scrub team to the playoffs but other guys like Wade and Tmac have done that too. Hell even someone like Carter has. I don't find that 35/5/5 season better than say Duncan 03 or even KG 04 even from last decade. You can be top 5 with 1 MVP. Shaq only has one MVP he has a case for top 5 partially because his peak might be even more dominant that MJ's.

[branslowski]

35/5/5 isn't everything. Big scoring games isn't everything. Ofc efficiency is a thing(ik you Kobe fans don't care about that). MJ has a year he went 37/5/5 and tht's not even one of his top 5 seasons. Kobe took a scrub team to the playoffs but other guys like Wade and Tmac have done that too. Hell even someone like Carter has. I don't find that 35/5/5 season better than say Duncan 03 or even KG 04 even from last decade. You can be top 5 with 1 MVP. Shaq only has one MVP he has a case for top 5 partially because his peak might be even more dominant that MJ's.

This is just looking like valueing one thing more than another when you say big scoring games isn't as important as fg%...I mean the shots Kobe has taken over his career, shooting 45% is fine to me..Ray Allen is one of the greatest shooters ever and hus fg% isn't 50, so you can keep the Deandre Jordan Fg% titles to yaself, i could care less...Not saying fg% isn't important, but points is the most important parr of the game hands down.

I also wasn't saying 35-5-5 was his best season...I'm more of a fan of his 03' season when he avg 30-7-6 and was seen as a top 2 way player..This was before handchecking and with more up to date zone defense.

[AintNoSunshine]

The fact that only blind Kobe cack sucker would put him in the top 10 should speak volume about where he truly ranks.

Lebron doe. Universally recognized as Top 3 All Time.

What a time!

[CAstill]

Kobe is top 5 lol

[Beastmode88]

Kobe's Top 10.

[branslowski]

The fact that only blind Kobe cack sucker would put him in the top 10 should speak volume about where he truly ranks.

Lebron doe. Universally recognized as Top 3 All Time.

What a time!

Posting from your LeBron sack glasses I see...2 non Kobe fans in this thread said he's top 10... And the main point to this thread is that I see Kobe is universally recongnized as Top 10 abd 5..And you again ofcource is using BSPN ranking as universal when thats far from the actual fact. Stay uninformed d!ckhead.

[KirbyPls]

Lebron's my favorite player ever, and I think Kobe is anywhere from 7-10; better than Hakeem for sure. Better than Wilt too.

[Keno]

espn placed him right. top 12 is reasonable...for now.

[Smoke117]

kobrick stans still melting down :roll: :roll: :roll:

[branslowski]

kobrick stans still melting down :roll: :roll: :roll:

Great post, will read again.:applause:

[branslowski]

Lebron's my favorite player ever, and I think Kobe is anywhere from 7-10; better than Hakeem for sure. Better than Wilt too.

Yea, most high IQ basketball fans say Kobe is interchangeable from 7-10.

[FashionIssues]

magic and bird are not ahead of kobe. no black and white print will ever disprove it.

[ralph_i_el]

When yiu view all time list ALL things are considered.. Which is why Kobe only having 1 mvp keeps him out of Top 3 for me...And you wanna talk peak..How many players can have a 35-5-5 season? I honestly don't remember 1 since Jordan.

I have never seen a player have 9 straight 40pt games...I haven't even witnessed a player with 4 straight 50pt games. I have never seen a player outscore a whole team through 3 quarters...Only Kobe...And we want him outside of the Top 10?? Yawl got jokes...Best scorer I seen since MJ left, and Iverson used to be my idol as a kid.

How does having high scoring games in a row make them any more special? That just means he had a bunch of well-below average scoring nights that offset them in the end....

[NBAGOAT]

This is just looking like valueing one thing more than another when you say big scoring games isn't as important as fg%...I mean the shots Kobe has taken over his career, shooting 45% is fine to me..Ray Allen is one of the greatest shooters ever and hus fg% isn't 50, so you can keep the Deandre Jordan Fg% titles to yaself, i could care less...Not saying fg% isn't important, but points is the most important parr of the game hands down.

I also wasn't saying 35-5-5 was his best season...I'm more of a fan of his 03' season when he avg 30-7-6 and was seen as a top 2 way player..This was before handchecking and with more up to date zone defense.

ofc fg% doesn't mean everything either especially when you're looking at someone like deandre who barely shoots. Stiill what would you take for example, 30ppg on 45% or 25ppg on 50%. I lean towards the 25ppg guy you might feel differently. 03 Kobe definitely has a case for Kobe's peak, his athletic peak most likely and one of his better defensive years. Still, it doesn't stand out too much all time when Duncan and KG were better that year and you could make a good argument for someone like Tmac.

[Prime_Shaq]

magic and bird are not ahead of kobe. no black and white print will ever disprove it.
:roll:

[aj1987]

MJ
KAJ
BR
Shaq
LeBron
Magic
Duncan/Kobe
Kobe/Duncan
Bird
Wilt

[Mr Feeny]

It's fine to have your own opinion but the vast overwhelming majority of basketball fans disagree with you and rank him between 11-13.
As Curry and Durant rack up titles, he's going to be moved DOWN atleast a couple of spots within 3 years (in curry's case, he might overtake Kobe is early as this coming summer).

[aj1987]

It's fine to have your own opinion but the vast overwhelming majority of basketball fans disagree with you and rank him between 11-13.
As Curry and Durant rack up titles, he's going to be moved DOWN atleast a couple of spots within 3 years (in curry's case, he might overtake Kobe is early as this coming summer).
Unless Curry wins another 3 rings with 3 FMVP's, he's not surpassing Kobe. KD would also need something like 4 rings with 4 FMVP's to surpass him.

[Mr. Jabbar]

top 5

5 rings, non colluded ones. e-pic.

[9erempiree]

People letting BSPN and trolls on this forum gas their heads up to make idiotic claims. Most casual people who aren't on basketball forums or espn boards have Kobe in their top 5. Alot of these people only speak of 3 basketball players (Jordan, Kobe, Bron)...I'm talkin barber shops, bars, basketball ball court convos, convos at work, convos on the block relaxing, random ppl you see exc.. Most peoples top 5 is Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, LeBron just in the casual world...With that being said I have Kobe at 7..Not off of opinion but due to straight facts.

Kobe is TOP 5 ALL TIME IN THE FOLLOWING:

All Defensive Teams
All NBA Teams
All Star Selections
Points All Time
Playoff Points All Time
Playoff Steals All Time

Of players with a combination of Titles and Finals MVPs he's Top 7 All Time

In the most important part of the game ( scoring) he's top 5 All Time in 50pt games aswell as 40pt games

He's universally known as a Top 3 most Clutch player All Time (Don't come at me wit the nerd stats/Propaganda).. Kobe has the most Game winners of All Time right After Jordan.

BSPN likes to place Bird ahead of Kobe, yet Kobe avg more ppg and Ast than Bird, has more titles with the same amount of Finals MVPs

When you combine Accolades, Talent, Mark on thr game, exc..There's no way in hell Kobe is outside of the top 8.

Kobe's last 3yrs really got him black balled in that ESPN ranking honestly.. Even ranking him as the worst player in the league when people with a brain knowd damn well the worst player in the league couldn't drop 60pts in a game at age 36... BSPN really has the trolls misguided rightnow to the point where they are ignoring facts.

Just know that as much as we all want for this Forum to change public perception that it really doesn't.. Sh!t just spend a day on Facebook comments that are under any LeBron, Jordan, Kobe pic..Or basketball history in general, most casual fans view Kobe as a top 10 great who was a winner and most clutch since Jordan.

Even watching games over the past 15 years you see most commentators (opposing team) talk about how much of a killer Kobe is and his worth. He's built a legend that can never be knocked down by 5 trolls with 20 accounts..And I'm pretty sure the haters know it's true because they can't stop bringing him up even while he's retired.

Perfect Example is a poster like Arbitrary Water who has 25,000+ post, known Kobe hater whos used atleast 20,000 of those post with the name Kobe, chuckbe, 12be in it. THAT right there tells you all you need to knoe about that.

So again, trolls nor BSPN will change how the outside world views Kobe, and they damn sure can't change the facts that he's Top 7 All Time...Damn sure won't change my mind.

I disagree.

I have him anywhere from the greatest player of all time or 1a or 1b.

Jordan and Kobe are the greatest players of all time. Heck, they are the same players. When you mention Jordan you mention Kobe. You mention Kobe and Jordan's name will be mentioned.

If someone was to say player X is better than Kobe that would be saying player X is better than Jordan.

To me they are both interchangeable depending on what day it is.

[Mr Feeny]

Unless Curry wins another 3 rings with 3 FMVP's, he's not surpassing Kobe. KD would also need something like 4 rings with 4 FMVP's to surpass him.

Kobe has 2 rings as lead dog (if we do him a service and assume he was the better player in 2910 than gasol )
He has only half of curry's career mvps in 20 seasons
If Curry wins in dominant fashion and sweeps the MVP awards, he'd have 3 mvps and 2 titles as lead dog with a higher career per , a higher career ws/48, higher career vorp and higher career vorp. I think he's past him if he wins the fmvp this season.

[aj1987]

Kobe has 2 rings as lead dog (if we do him a service and assume he was the better player in 2910 than gasol )
He has only half of curry's career mvps in 20 seasons
If Curry wins in dominant fashion and sweeps the MVP awards, he'd have 3 mvps and 2 titles as lead dog with a higher career per , a higher career ws/48, higher career vorp and higher career vorp. I think he's past him if he wins the fmvp this season.
Not even close to being on Kobe's level defensively. Kobe also averaged 28/7/5/2/1 in the '01 and '02 PO's. Curry just had his best season and it was pretty much for naught. Choked away the Finals in embarrassing fashion.

Again, Kobe has like 17 All-NBA, 13 All-Def, 5 Rings, 2 FMVP's, and 1 MVP. KD and Curry aren't even close. Kobe is top 10 without question.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

top 12.

[silenc]

1. jordan
2. kareem
3. magic
4. russell
5. james
6. wilt
7. bird
8. kobe
9. hakeem
10. shaq
11. duncan

[aj1987]

1. jordan
2. kareem
3. magic
4. russell
5. james
6. wilt
7. bird
8. kobe
9. hakeem
10. shaq
11. duncan
Yeah, Hakeem, Wilt, and Bird and not higher than Shaq.

SMH at the disrespect people show towards Shaq. It's like they only remember his Cleveland/Boston days.

[Mr Feeny]

Not even close to being on Kobe's level defensively. Kobe also averaged 28/7/5/2/1 in the '01 and '02 PO's. Curry just had his best season and it was pretty much for naught. Choked away the Finals in embarrassing fashion.

Again, Kobe has like 17 All-NBA, 13 All-Def, 5 Rings, 2 FMVP's, and 1 MVP. KD and Curry aren't even close. Kobe is top 10 without question.

Kobe's not close to being on curry's level offensively.
All nba teams and "5 rings" are pretty mind numbingly stupid.

Either rings are what matter or they aren't. If they are, then Horry 》 kobe and Kobe 》》 lebron.
All-NBA teams don't matter as much as elite seasons on top. Curry's peak in much higher than Kobe's was.
And lastly, you must be as dumb as anyone on this board if you think kobe is top 10 " without question".
Most basketball fans by consensus have him between 11-13 as do realgm.
You might disagree but on no planet is Kobe "top 10 without question"

[FKAri]

[QUOTE=aj1987]Yeah, Hakeem, Wilt, and Bird and not higher than Shaq.

Did you lose a perma avy bet? :lol

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=aj1987]Yeah, Hakeem, Wilt, and Bird and not higher than Shaq.

Did you lose a perma avy bet? :lol

He's an idiot who thinks Kobe is top 10 all time:biggums:

[BlakFrankWhite]

I'm a big time Kobe hater, but believe it or not I think Kobe is defo top 10 all time.

He stayed with the Lakers in the Kwame/ Smush days. Being a 'one team player' at least in your prime should be a major factor in deciding top 10,

Just my humble opinion.

[aj1987]

Kobe's not close to being on curry's level offensively.
We can have this discussion, when Curry sustains his scoring. From '08-'10, Kobe averaged 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS in the PO's. When was the last time Curry put up those numbers in the PO's? How about averaging 40 PPG over a month? 4 50pt games in a row? 54/7/2/1 on 67% TS in a 5 game stretch with those 4 50pt games. I know that you're a LeBron stan and hate Kobe, but this argument won't


All nba teams and "5 rings" are pretty mind numbingly stupid.
PER, VORP, and the other nerd shit aren't?


Either rings are what matter or they aren't. If they are, then Horry 》 kobe and Kobe 》》 lebron.
This statement is mind numbingly stupid, TBH. Horry was a role-player. Kobe and LeBron were/are a bit more than than.


All-NBA teams don't matter as much as elite seasons on top.
Kobe arguably was a top 3 player in the NBA for almost over a decade. Curry? 2 seasons.


Curry's peak in much higher than Kobe's was.
Not really. Nope. Kobe had seasons averaging 35/5/5, 32/6/5, 30/7/6 with very good to elite defense and also good efficiency.


And lastly, you must be as dumb as anyone on this board if you think kobe is top 10 " without question".
Unlike you, I'm being objective. You're just blinded by LeBron's juice on your face.


Most basketball fans by consensus have him between 11-13 as do realm.
RealGayMen had Moses at 19 behind the likes of Dirk, Malone, D-Rob, etc.. KG at 11. :facepalm

Most basketball fans are casuals. Which I'm assuming you are as well.


You might disagree but on no planet is Kobe "top 10 without question"
I don't know what planet you live on, but on Earth, he is. Your idol would smack you if you told his that Kobe isn't in the top 10.



Did you lose a perma avy bet? :lol
6 months.



He's an idiot who thinks Kobe is top 10 all time:biggums:
Mr Faggy, stick to LeBron circle jerk threads. Better yet, stick to RealGayMen. Those advanced stat nerds will love you.

[Mr Feeny]

We can have this discussion, when Curry sustains his scoring. From '08-'10, Kobe averaged 30/6/6/2/1 on 57% TS in the PO's. When was the last time Curry put up those numbers in the PO's? How about averaging 40 PPG over a month? 4 50pt games in a row? 54/7/2/1 on 67% TS in a 5 game stretch with those 4 50pt games. I know that you're a LeBron stan and hate Kobe, but this argument won't


PER, VORP, and the other nerd shit aren't?


This statement is mind numbingly stupid, TBH. Horry was a role-player. Kobe and LeBron were/are a bit more than than.


Kobe arguably was a top 3 player in the NBA for almost over a decade. Curry? 2 seasons.


Not really. Nope. Kobe had seasons averaging 35/5/5, 32/6/5, 30/7/6 with very good to elite defense and also good efficiency.


Unlike you, I'm being objective. You're just blinded by LeBron's juice on your face.


RealGayMen had Moses at 19 behind the likes of Dirk, Malone, D-Rob, etc.. KG at 11. :facepalm

Most basketball fans are casuals. Which I'm assuming you are as well.


I don't know what planet you live on, but on Earth, he is. Your idol would smack you if you told his that Kobe isn't in the top 10.

As much as you would like you to believe that, the general consensus with most basketball fans is that Kobe is 11-13. So, on this planet, he certainly isn't a top 10 player.

It's fine to be the idiot who thinks he is, but that doesn't make it a face or a majority view.

Dismissing PER and vorp as "nerd stuff" while bringing up "rings" is as mind numbingly stupid as someone can get. I get that you're not a very sophisticated fan and I'll allow you to continue with the rings argument and believe what you want.

We'll have a discussion next June. Most fans around the globe will have Curry ahead of Kobe on their all time lists. You can cry about it, whinge about, but there's nothing you or Kobe can do about it :banana:

[Mr Feeny]

Make no mistake about it folks. This idiot wouldn't survive on realgm. Too sophisticated for him. He'll carry on humming about "rings" :lol

[BlakFrankWhite]

AJ defending Kobe, I fkin hate Kevin Durant

Who woulda ever thought of this happening?

[aj1987]

As much as you would like you to believe that, the general consensus with most basketball fans is that Kobe is 11-13. So, on this planet, he certainly isn't a top 10 player.

It's fine to be the idiot who thinks he is, but that doesn't make it a face or a majority view.

Dismissing PER and vorp as "nerd stuff" while bringing up "rings" is as mind numbingly stupid as someone can get. I get that you're not a very sophisticated fan and I'll allow you to continue with the rings argument and believe what you want.

We'll have a discussion next June. Most fans around the globe will have Curry ahead of Kobe on their all time lists. You can cry about it, whinge about, but there's nothing you or Kobe can do about it :banana:
tl;dr - I'm right you're wrong because I can't back up my statements with facts.

FOH, kid. Your basketball IQ is pretty much the same as the number of FMVP votes Curry has.


AJ defending Kobe, I fkin hate Kevin Durant

Who woulda ever thought of this happening?
I thought this was going to be a decent discussion, but Mr Feeny has the IQ of a gerbil.

[Mr Feeny]

tl;dr - I'm right you're wrong because I can't back up my statements with facts.

FOH, kid. Your basketball IQ is pretty much the same as the number of FMVP votes Curry has.


I thought this was going to be a decent discussion, but Mr Feenys has the IQ of a gerbil.

And Kobe is lower than top 11 all time :banana:

[Mr Feeny]

AJ defending Kobe, I fkin hate Kevin Durant

Who woulda ever thought of this happening?

Meh. It's fun watching the hindu boy melt down :lol

[aj1987]

Meh. It's fun watching the hindu boy melt down :lol
How many alts do you have, AutisticWater? Turning on a bulb would probably give you 3rd degree burns.


And LeBron is lower than top 11 all time :banana:
Agreed.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe is 12-13th, according to ESPN, SportsIllustrated and RealGM. One source/media may be biased, but three of them all had Kobe at 12-13th without even deviation, this should tell enough.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe is 12-13th, according to ESPN, SportsIllustrated and RealGM. One source/media may be biased, but three of them all had Kobe at 12-13th without even deviation, this should tell enough.

:lebronamazed: but the hindu boy tells me otherwise :lol

[aj1987]

:lebronamazed: but the hindu boy tells me otherwise :lol
The meltdown continues. :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Lethick has his haters talking to themselves :banana:

[aj1987]

Lethick has his haters talking to themselves :banana:
A retard and a ******. :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

It depends really. If youre a real man then yes. But for fakkits like those espn statnerds, no.

[Mr Feeny]

I say Curry drops Kobrick from 12th all time to 13th all time this coming summer.
Bookmark this :lebronamazed:

[knicksman]

I say Curry drops Kobrick from 12th all time to 13th all time this coming summer.
Bookmark this :lebronamazed:


In the end, youre just like those fat espn statnerds. They hate life coz they are victims of bullying

[Mr Feeny]

In the end, youre just like those fat espn statnerds. They hate life coz they were constantly bullied

In the end you're depressed bc your idol is ranked lower than leKING all time by most fans :applause:

[knicksman]

In the end you're depressed bc your idol is ranked lower than leKING all time by most fans :applause:

Why would i?? Im not the one being disrespected here

[Mr Feeny]

Why would i?? Im not the one being disrespected here

What the heck if this ph@ggot on about:lol

[NBAGOAT]

Curry's peak is better than Kobe's. That doesn't mean 1 more great year puts him over Kobe however, that's laughable longevity matters. It's like putting Bill Walton over Kobe because his peak is better. Kobe has one of the longer primes ever like 13 years.

[knicksman]

What the heck if this ph@ggot on about:lol

Bran stan calling me a fakkit:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

OP used to do this shit with 'top 8 all time'... now its apparently 7, look it moving up more and more in the future when the facts start to fade :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Curry's peak is better than Kobe's. That doesn't mean 1 more great year puts him over Kobe however, that's laughable longevity matters. It's like putting Bill Walton over Kobe because his peak is better. Kobe has one of the longer primes ever like 13 years.

yup.. Curry's rs peak is definitely >> Kobe's. Even Jacks3 has attested to that.

[NBAGOAT]

yup.. Curry's rs peak is definitely >> Kobe's. Even Jacks3 has attested to that.

I still think guys like West/Oscar/Dr.J don't have great cases over Kobe so he should be at least 11th. Then again someone like Karl Malone who's usually not even in most people's top 15 has comparable stats in his prime(even playoffs too where he drops off).

[tmacattack33]

The best and most comprehensive all-time list i've ever seen is on that other bball site.

Kobe is 14th on there.

I'd have Kobe 14th or so as well.

Be happy with 12 you idiots.

[ArbitraryWater]

The best and most comprehensive all-time list i've ever seen is on that other bball site.

Kobe is 14th on there.

I'd have Kobe 14th or so as well.

Be happy with 12 you idiots.

pretty much.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Curry's peak isn't greater than Kobe's if you're taking playoffs into account. His regular-season is, clearly, but playoffs Kobe >

BTW, Bean ain't top 7 all f*cking time. More like 9 or 10, and thats not "factually" either.

[Mr Feeny]

I still think guys like West/Oscar/Dr.J don't have great cases over Kobe so he should be at least 11th. Then again someone like Karl Malone who's usually not even in most people's top 15 has comparable stats in his prime(even playoffs too where he drops off).

Alright. Let's assume Curry dominates the regular season, playoffs AND finals being at his top level. He'd have a 2-3 year peak of really elite play. He'd have 2 MVPs and 2 titles as lead dog. You wouldn't put him in the top 14 all time?
How about 2 titles. If they were to go b2b and Curry plays at a transcendent level he'd have 3 titles (maybe 2 of them as lead dog) with a 4 year peak that's better than anything Kobe has ever done.

I'm not gonna project any mvps for Curry because I think it's between Lebron, Kawhi, Westbrook and Davis for the next couple of years.

[riseagainst]

he's factually top 12 all time. A legendary player.

[Mr Feeny]

Why don't we do a poll here like realgm? And weight the votes so idiots like knicksman and jabbar SexSymbol's votes don't count as much.

I guess the only issue with a poll here is thay we'll have many alts.

[NBAGOAT]

Alright. Let's assume Curry dominates the regular season, playoffs AND finals being at his top level. He'd have a 2-3 year peak of really elite play. He'd have 2 MVPs and 2 titles as lead dog. You wouldn't put him in the top 14 all time?
How about 2 titles. If they were to go b2b and Curry plays at a transcendent level he'd have 3 titles (maybe 2 of them as lead dog) with a 4 year peak that's better than anything Kobe has ever done.

I'm not gonna project any mvps for Curry because I think it's between Lebron, Kawhi, Westbrook and Davis for the next couple of years.

Guys like Moses have multiple MVP's too and great peaks too that have a case over Kobe's. I'm not putting him above Kobe all time however. Kobe has like 13 years of around top 5 play at least. Longevity can be overrated by it definitely matters when those years are still prime level.

[Mr Feeny]

Guys like Moses have multiple MVP's too and great peaks too that have a case over Kobe's. I'm not putting him above Kobe all time however. Kobe has like 13 years of around top 5 play at least. Longevity can be overrated by it definitely matters when those years are still prime level.

What years would those be?

Because he certainly wasn't top 5 in 2000 or 2011. So you're going with 2001-2010?
Maybe 2013 as well? Those would be 11 seasons at most.

How many seasons as top 2-3? You could argue 3-4 seasons and no more (2003,2006-2008) if you're generous.

How many as the absolute best? Most people would make the case that Kobe was never the absolute undisputed best player for any year that he played basketball but was always around the top. Curry ofcourse was the best last year and certainly in this year's regular season.

Curry would put together 1-2 more years of being top 2 and that would surpass Kobe's in my opinion.

Moreover, if Curry and Durant win 3 straight now and Curry ends up with 3 fmvps and 2-3 regular season mvps, it's going to be an absolute joke to have Kobe (1 mvp and 2 fmvps one of which is highly disputed) anywhere NEAR Curry on the all time list.
That's a big IF, but it's more than plausible. It's probably that they run amok on the league for the foreseeable future. I cant imagine Curry NOT ending up 8-11.

[SouBeachTalents]

What years would those be?

Because he certainly wasn't top 5 in 2000 or 2011. So you're going with 2001-2010?
Maybe 2013 as well? Those would be 11 seasons at most.

How many seasons as top 2-3? You could argue 3-4 seasons and no more (2003,2006-2008) if you're generous.

How many as the absolute best? Most people would make the case that Kobe was never the absolute undisputed best player for any year that he played basketball but was always around the top. Curry ofcourse was the best last year and certainly in this year's regular season.

Curry would put together 1-2 more years of being top 2 and that would surpass Kobe's in my opinion.

Moreover, if Curry and Durant win 3 straight now and Curry ends up with 3 fmvps and 2-3 regular season mvps, it's going to be an absolute joke to have Kobe (1 mvp and 2 fmvps one of which is highly disputed) anywhere NEAR Curry on the all time list.
That's a big IF, but it's more than plausible. It's probably that they run amok on the league for the foreseeable future. I cant imagine Curry NOT ending up 8-11.

You could argue Kobe was top 3 '01-'03 & '06-'10

[NBAGOAT]

What years would those be?

Because he certainly wasn't top 5 in 2000 or 2011. So you're going with 2001-2010?
Maybe 2013 as well? Those would be 11 seasons at most.

How many seasons as top 2-3? You could argue 3-4 seasons and no more (2003,2006-2008) if you're generous.

How many as the absolute best? Most people would make the case that Kobe was never the absolute undisputed best player for any year that he played basketball but was always around the top. Curry ofcourse was the best last year and certainly in this year's regular season.

Curry would put together 1-2 more years of being top 2 and that would surpass Kobe's in my opinion.

Moreover, if Curry and Durant win 3 straight now and Curry ends up with 3 fmvps and 2-3 regular season mvps, it's going to be an absolute joke to have Kobe (1 mvp and 2 fmvps one of which is highly disputed) anywhere NEAR Curry on the all time list.
That's a big IF, but it's more than plausible. It's probably that they run amok on the league for the foreseeable future. I cant imagine Curry NOT ending up 8-11.

I say he's close top 5 in 2011 around 6th or 7th. he has decent to good cases for top 3 in 01,02,09,10. That's 4 more years you're just ignoring. I actually wouldn't put him top 3 in 03 however because of duncan, kg, shaq. Kobe being the best player in the league isn't undisputed at all like Curry last year but he has a good case every year from 06-08. 13 years may be exaggerating but here's his prime now 3 arguable years as best player in the league(06-08), 4 more arguable top 3 in the league(01,02,09,10), and 3 more top 5 years(03,04,13) with 4 more undisputed as top 10(00,05,11,12). You could disagree with how I ranked him some years and being top 3 or 5 doesn't say everything(kobe wasn't top 3 in 03 but was better than he was in 01,02) but even then, that prime is extremely impressive unless you're comparing to really elite guys like MJ, Kareem and Lebron.

[Mr Feeny]

You could argue Kobe was top 3 '01-'03 & '06-'10

You could argue it but I wouldn't. Shaq, Duncan, Garnett and Iverson were yards better in 2001 and 2002 in my opinion. The first 3 were comfortably better atleast, if you happen to edge on the -ve when t comes to the polarizing opinion of Iverson's rankings those season.

In 2009-2010, I personally don't think he was even close. He averaged 26.8 ppg, 5, and 5 on mediocre shooting. In the finals, he was hardly impressive either of these 2 years and in 2009 zepcifically was a LOT worse than Lebron was against the very same team in the previous round.

In those 2 years, I think Wade, Lebron, and Chris Paul were all comfortably ahead.


Let's change the argument to top 2 anyways. Curry has been top 2 the past 2 seasons and looks like he'll have atleast 4 seasons as a top 2 player. There can't be a single rational fan who'd argue Kobe was a top 2 player for more than 2006-2008. Not a chance that he had more than 3.
Curry is easily going to have 4 and perhaps more.

Seasons as the undisputed number 1. Curry is already ahead

Mvps. Curry is already ahead

Career PER and individual peak = Curry.

And he's only 28. I'm not saying rank him in the top 15 yet. I'm saying I can't see how he doesn't rank between 8-11 within 3 years.and atleast top 14 this next coming summer.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Top 5 top 5 top 5

[FKAri]

There's nothing factual about any of these top X lists. They're all subjective.

[Mr Feeny]

I say he's close top 5 in 2011 around 6th or 7th. he has decent to good cases for top 3 in 01,02,09,10. That's 4 more years you're just ignoring. I actually wouldn't put him top 3 in 03 however because of duncan, kg, shaq. Kobe being the best player in the league isn't undisputed at all like Curry last year but he has a good case every year from 06-08. 13 years may be exaggerating but here's his prime now 3 arguable years as best player in the league(06-08), 4 more arguable top 3 in the league(01,02,09,10), and 3 more top 5 years(03,04,13) with 4 more undisputed as top 10(00,05,11,12). You could disagree with how I ranked him some years and being top 3 or 5 doesn't say everything(kobe wasn't top 3 in 03 but was better than he was in 01,02) but even then, that prime is extremely impressive unless you're comparing to really elite guys like MJ, Kareem and Lebron.longevity wise, Curry can't compete with anyone because he's only 28. We can only use peaks now and he's ahead.
Is there a reason to think he'll drop off? His game doesn't rely on athleticism. Don't you think there's a big chance he'll end up playing at this elite player for a 5 year stretch atleast?

As far as Kobe's prime goes, that might be where we disagree. I don't think he's got even a top 16-17 prime. The reason he's ranked as highly as he is (top 12) is precisely because of longevity throw longevity out of it and MANY other players with short primes have higher peaks. Moses. Garnett. West. Barry. Oscar.

But I'll cool down on Curry. Let's wait it out. You're right.

[Mr Feeny]

Top 5 top 5 top 5

In his fanboys' dreams:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

How was KG comfortably better than Kobe in '01 and '02? Have a hard time seing himself seperate from Dirk in '02..

Iverson? Lets be real, he's a worse Kobe with less play on both sides.

[feyki]

There's nothing factual about any of these top X lists. They're all subjective.

That was really factual .

[Mr Feeny]

How was KG comfortably better than Kobe in '01 and '02? Have a hard time seing himself seperate from Dirk in '02..

Iverson? Lets be real, he's a worse Kobe with less play on both sides.throw Iverson out of there if you don't like him. Garnett was 10 times the defender Kobe was. Garnett didn't have prime Shaq winning titles for him.

I see absolutely no way to rank anyone ahead of Shaq, Duncan and kg those years.
Moreover, leave top 3 aside and let's focus on top 2. Now we've completely closed the door. There's no way anyone who understands basketball would argue that 2002 Kobe is better than Duncan. That's just mind numbingly stupid.

[AirBonner]

so because kobe was an inefficient volume scorer he somehow cracks the top 10? :oldlol:

[Prometheus]

The fact that you think it's reasonable to include the word "factual" in such a statement says a lot about your intelligence level.

[ShawkFactory]

Kobe factually has 5 rings. And 2 FMVPs. And all those all-NBA teams and whatever.

He was ACTUALLY a fantastic player.

His is opinonly a top 7 player of all time.

[DMAVS41]

Depends on the criteria.

Solely on paper resume? Definitely could see a factual case...although I'd still probably disagree depending on how things are weighted.

A legit discussion/analysis of his impact both on the court and on his franchise...taking everything into context?

I don't see how he is higher than 10th or so all time...right where most put him now.

[ArbitraryWater]

The fact that you think it's reasonable to include the word "factual" in such a statement says a lot about your intelligence level.

this

[branslowski]

The fact that you think it's reasonable to include the word "factual" in such a statement says a lot about your intelligence level.

If someone is top 5 in, All nba, All defensive, all star selections, Points All Time (Most important part of the game) and is Top 7 All time in Titles and Finals MVPs combined (look at the other players on that list, the names are in most top list) then yea, those are some factual facts that points at Top 5 really, but unbias analyst on my part drops him to 7th, while I still find it ok that ppl say 7-10 is interchangeable.... Most ppl aside from this forum and BSPN has Kobe top 10, so again i could care less about who stupidly ranks him lower than 10.

[Mr Feeny]

If someone is top 5 in, All nba, All defensive, all star selections, Points All Time (Most important part of the game) and is Top 7 All time in Titles and Finals MVPs combined (look at the other players on that list, the names are in most top list) then yea, those are some factual facts that points at Top 5 really, but unbias analyst on my part drops him to 7th, while I still find it ok that ppl say 7-10 is interchangeable.... Most ppl aside from this forum and BSPN has Kobe top 10, so again i could care less about who stupidly ranks him lower than 10.
.Lololololololololol :roll:

Meltdown nation here:roll:

[branslowski]

.Lololololololololol :roll:

Meltdown nation here:roll:

Difference between idiots who think Gasol carried Kobe, and knowledgeable posters...I post facts that shows multiple accolades which leads me to a correct convlusion...In your small troll mind, this is a meltdown in which you don't respond with facts, but lols and smiles with no substance other then being unaware that your stupid is showing.

I'm sure me giving you this enlightenment will be misconstrued as a "meltdown" aswell.

[tamaraw08]

Earvin Magic Johnson
✔
@MagicJohnson

LeBron James should be on everybody's Mt. Rushmore...including mine!

The same Magic Johnson who proclaimed that Rondo was the greatest PG 5 years ago?:facepalm

[Smoke117]

You gotta love a kobe stan talking about trolls and idiots...there is NO fanbase outside of Kobe's stans that have him in the top 10...top 7? That's just laughable.

[G0ATbe]

Don't be stingy with Kobe's rank just to please LeShit stain trolls OP. He's at the very worst top 2 all time behind Kareem.

[PsychoBe]

The same Magic Johnson who proclaimed that Rondo was the greatest PG 5 years ago?:facepalm

he was right

[branslowski]

You gotta love a kobe stan talking about trolls and idiots...there is NO fanbase outside of Kobe's stans that have him in the top 10...top 7? That's just laughable.

Wrong...

USAToday rankings:

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Kobe

Not just Kobe stans...Just like BSPN ranking was actually done by a Kobe hater and PER lover.

[Cap'n Obvious]

It is inaccurate to call this ranking a fact.

[Mr Feeny]

You gotta love a kobe stan talking about trolls and idiots...there is NO fanbase outside of Kobe's stans that have him in the top 10...top 7? That's just laughable.Yawn. Why even pay attention. It used to be fun having these arguments. Now the Kobe stans sound resigned and dejected by the fact that the majority has Kobe outside the top 11.

Every sentence seems to be them hopelessly and separately trying to convince themselves. It's no longer fun giving it back to them. They're like a defeated semi conscious boxer swinging away at you. You just look at the state of them and feel sad:(

[jstern]

Kobe is factually 12th all time. But why even bother with it, as time passes by there will be more players and a few will surpass him. So why waste time on a losing battle?

[Odinn]

All-D selections? We all know he didn't deserve like 5 of them.
And nope. He's not top 7 material.

[Cold soul]

Kobe ranks anywhere from 6-10 sounds about right were objective people rank him.

[Byobob]

This is pretty sad actually. One by one, Lebron haters including the ones in the media is putting lebron in their top 5 at the very least. Meanwhile, Kobe fans are grasping at straws and shoving Kobe into top 7.

How 70 seconds of basketball can change an entire legacy.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe is 12th-13th of all time, its confirmed by ESPN, SportsIllustrated and RealGM.

[Anaximandro1]

:D

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[Mr Feeny]

:D

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:biggums:
It doesn't get any more one sided than this:oldlol:

[branslowski]

All-D selections? We all know he didn't deserve like 5 of them.
And nope. He's not top 7 material.

All Defensive teams are voted on by the coachez who watch the games so ur opinion means sh!t.