How is the contract situation with Igoudala/Livingston next year?

[ArbitraryWater]

They only kept Livingston on a player option.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Pretty sure Iggy signed a 5 year deal in 2013

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Both will be free agents at the end of next year. GS will find it hard to keep one of them because Kevin Durant and Steph Curry will also be free agents next year as well.

The cap goes down to 102. That is 5 million less that GS will have to spend on those guys. Zach Lowe has already hinted at some of this.

The GS "dynasty" may be more shortlived than people think.

[ArbitraryWater]

Both will be free agents at the end of next year. GS will find it hard to keep one of them because Kevin Durant and Steph Curry will also be free agents next year as well.

The cap goes down to 102. That is 5 million less that GS will have to spend on those guys. Zach Lowe has already hinted at some of this.

The GS "dynasty" may be more shortlived than people think.

https://i.imgur.com/XJyemeI.jpg

[HurricaneKid]

Both will be free agents at the end of next year. GS will find it hard to keep one of them because Kevin Durant and Steph Curry will also be free agents next year as well.

The cap goes down to 102. That is 5 million less that GS will have to spend on those guys. Zach Lowe has already hinted at some of this.

The GS "dynasty" may be more shortlived than people think.

BS.

18M - Klay (Under contract for 3 more years)
15M Dray (Under contract for 4 more years)
35.7M - KD (1st of 5 year deal)
30.6M Curry (1st of 5 yr deal)
1M Looney
1M McCaw
.9 Dead money
_______
102M

Iggy and Livingston both have FULL bird rights so GSW can keep both no matter what they cost.

Tax line will be at ~122.2. They may cheap out and let Livingston go elsewhere but they don't even have to.

They got to sign KD because Curry was on an 11M deal. They have all pros under contract for 3 and 4 years at well below Crabbe/Evan Turner money. They will be fine.

[Cone]

Both will be free agents at the end of next year. GS will find it hard to keep one of them because Kevin Durant and Steph Curry will also be free agents next year as well.

The cap goes down to 102. That is 5 million less that GS will have to spend on those guys. Zach Lowe has already hinted at some of this.

The GS "dynasty" may be more shortlived than people think.

woot!

[NattyPButter]

BS.

18M - Klay (Under contract for 3 more years)
15M Dray (Under contract for 4 more years)
35.7M - KD (1st of 5 year deal)
30.6M Curry (1st of 5 yr deal)
1M Looney
1M McCaw
.9 Dead money
_______
102M

Iggy and Livingston both have FULL bird rights so GSW can keep both no matter what they cost.

Tax line will be at ~122.2. They may cheap out and let Livingston go elsewhere but they don't even have to.

They got to sign KD because Curry was on an 11M deal. They have all pros under contract for 3 and 4 years at well below Crabbe/Evan Turner money. They will be fine.


don't think you can sign two players to 5 year deals at the same time in the year.

[HurricaneKid]

If course you can. You just can't do it ahead of the season. BTW, Klay and Dray already signed 5 yr deals. They will have 4 guys on 5 yr deals.

[HurricaneKid]

BS.

18M - Klay (Under contract for 3 more years)
15M Dray (Under contract for 4 more years)
35.7M - KD (1st of 5 year deal)
30.6M Curry (1st of 5 yr deal)
1M Looney
1M McCaw
.9 Dead money
_______
102M

Iggy and Livingston both have FULL bird rights so GSW can keep both no matter what they cost.

Tax line will be at ~122.2. They may cheap out and let Livingston go elsewhere but they don't even have to.

They got to sign KD because Curry was on an 11M deal. They have all pros under contract for 3 and 4 years at well below Crabbe/Evan Turner money. They will be fine.

There is a little fine tuning in KDs deal as he can only get a 20% raise without dealing with a new set of issues. But I think he will have to just suck it up.

[Springsteen]

People really think losing Livingston in a year will really hurt them at all? Give me a break. They added Kevin freakin' Durant.

The Heat had less star players and a completely garbage bench and they still won two rings.

[ArbitraryWater]

BS.

18M - Klay (Under contract for 3 more years)
15M Dray (Under contract for 4 more years)
35.7M - KD (1st of 5 year deal)
30.6M Curry (1st of 5 yr deal)
1M Looney
1M McCaw
.9 Dead money
_______
102M

Iggy and Livingston both have FULL bird rights so GSW can keep both no matter what they cost.

Tax line will be at ~122.2. They may cheap out and let Livingston go elsewhere but they don't even have to.

They got to sign KD because Curry was on an 11M deal. They have all pros under contract for 3 and 4 years at well below Crabbe/Evan Turner money. They will be fine.

they can somehow sign both Livingston/Iggy with only .9 left? Whats this cap space thing good for then? shit.

[Carbine]

Warriors owner won't cheap out. He'll pay the tax to keep Iggy and Livingstone.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

BS.

18M - Klay (Under contract for 3 more years)
15M Dray (Under contract for 4 more years)
35.7M - KD (1st of 5 year deal)
30.6M Curry (1st of 5 yr deal)
1M Looney
1M McCaw
.9 Dead money
_______
102M

Iggy and Livingston both have FULL bird rights so GSW can keep both no matter what they cost.

Tax line will be at ~122.2. They may cheap out and let Livingston go elsewhere but they don't even have to.

They got to sign KD because Curry was on an 11M deal. They have all pros under contract for 3 and 4 years at well below Crabbe/Evan Turner money. They will be fine.

You do realize that you have only included 6 players right? They would have to add another 6 players and that isn't including Iggy and Livingston.

[HurricaneKid]

they can somehow sign both Livingston/Iggy with only .9 left? Whats this cap space thing good for then? shit.

They have bird rights on both Iggy and Livingston. Why wouldn't they be able to sign them?

There is one caveat.

KD will be making 26.54M this year. He can use "non-bird" rights to get a 20% raise to get to 31.5M next year. If he does that there are almost no cap issues at all. If he DEMANDS more than that GSW would need to stay under the cap. Everyone knows that's not going to happen. The compromise could be a 2 yr deal at the 20% #, the last of which would be a PO. That way he would have 3 years guaranteed (total) and GSW would have full bird rights and it would only cost him ~3.7M to keep the team intact. Its kind of a no brainer.

And ACTUALLY, it HELPS GSW that the cap might be dropping to 102. Because if it were 110-114 like people were expecting, KD would have a much bigger incentive to ask for his max. Now it doesn't cost him much to take the 20%

[warriorfan]

oh no livingston the 5 ppg injured toothpick is gone....what will the warriors ever do!!! :lol

[HurricaneKid]

You do realize that you have only included 6 players right? They would have to add another 6 players and that isn't including Iggy and Livingston.

They aren't capped with Iggy/Livingston. So that's 8. They have the MLE or taxMLE for a 9th player. They will have a draft player or two and another vet or two (that have to make the league min). That's what every team's cap sheet looks like. Only other teams have Evan Turner making 17M instead of Dray.

GSW COULD have even kept Ezeli. His hold was only 3M. There is a LOT more space here than you guys are acknowledging.

[NattyPButter]

If course you can. You just can't do it ahead of the season. BTW, Klay and Dray already signed 5 yr deals. They will have 4 guys on 5 yr deals.

that's not true...Klay signed a 4 year contract. I remember reading somewhere you can only sign one player in the calendar year to a max 5 year.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

They aren't capped with Iggy/Livingston. So that's 8. They have the MLE or taxMLE for a 9th player. They will have a draft player or two and another vet or two (that have to make the league min). That's what every team's cap sheet looks like. Only other teams have Evan Turner making 17M instead of Dray.

GSW COULD have even kept Ezeli. His hold was only 3M. There is a LOT more space here than you guys are acknowledging.

Then it looks like several things will have to occur for it to work out:

1) Curry and Durant leaving a lot of money on the table
2) No other team offering Livingston and Iggy a big contract
3) Sign **every one** else as merry minimum contracts. (And I am not talking about Zaza type deals either.)

[ArbitraryWater]

oh no livingston the 5 ppg injured toothpick is gone....what will the warriors ever do!!! :lol

played 78 gms last couple years each... 6/2/3 on 52% in 19 mins is nice... thats as many assists as Curry on 35 mins in the finals.

[HurricaneKid]

that's not true...Klay signed a 4 year contract. I remember reading somewhere you can only sign one player in the calendar year to a max 5 year.

Teams can ALWAYS sign their own players to 5 year deals when they are free agents. Where they are limited is to signing players to those 5 year deals before their current contract is up.

For instance, Giannis is under contract for this coming season. However, the Bucks can sign him to his 5 year extension BEFORE this season. However, if they do that they CANNOT offer the 5 year deal to Jabari before Jabari's contract season. However, after Jabari's free agent season they can sign him to a 5 year extension.

The extensions are essentially a 6 year guarantee and teams didn't want to be leveraged into giving them out all the time.

[HurricaneKid]

Then it looks like several things will have to occur for it to work out:

1) Curry and Durant leaving a lot of money on the table
2) No other team offering Livingston and Iggy a big contract
3) Sign **every one** else as merry minimum contracts. (And I am not talking about Zaza type deals either.)

Curry wouldn't have to leave a nickel on the table and as I showed above KD could get away with giving up ~3.7M out of his 200M+ over the next 5 years.

It doesn't matter what other teams offer those guys. If they want to play for GS and GS wants them to play there they can sign for any amount they can agree to.

Having 4 ALL NBA players, 3 other guys, a guy on the MLE, another guy on the MLE next year, a few ring chasing vets making the vet min, and a few guys on rookie deals is pretty much ideal.