Muslim Man Hugs ISIS Suicide Bomber Moments Before Explosion, Saves Hundreds Of Lives

[Nick Young]

Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi is a true modern day champion that we can all look up to for inspiration.

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Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi, a local resident of Balad city in Iraq stopped a suicide bomber from the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) from claiming many lives at his town’s Sayyed Mohammad Shrine.

According to Al-Manar news, the attack was “aimed at destroying the shrine”

Najih physically stopped the terrorist from entering the shrine, hugging him before his explosive laden vest detonated, killing them. His body took direct impact of the explosion, reducing the death toll at the Shrine.

claimed over 300 lives, the deadliest single attack in Iraq since the war to oust Saddam Hussein 13 years ago.
Instead of hundred, only 37 died, thanks to one selfless Muslim

ISIS bombers disguised themselves as local militia in an attempt to storm and destroy what is considered one of Iraq’s most important Shia shrines. The last time such an attack happened, it sparked off the Iraq civil war. The man's sacrifice ensured that the shrine was not damaged.


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RIP to a noble hero who showed us all what true heroism looks like.

Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi, your sacrifice will be remembered.

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[tomtucker]

Instead of hundred, only 37 died
:cry: :cry:

[nathanjizzle]

thats a real nigka right there.

[Nick Young]

This man deserves a statue for real. Heroes are rare in this modern day and age. When the cards were on the table this guy just reacted and made the decision to sacrifice his life in the name of saving the people around him. Incredible.:applause:

[PistonsFan#21]

Which religion was this man associated with?

[Nick Young]

Which religion was this man associated with?
This man was a Muslim who gave his life protecting the people around him from a violent and murderous Muslim terrorist.

[Dresta]

Which religion was this man associated with?
Shia Islam I presume.

[NumberSix]

Shia Islam I presume.
This.

[Bosnian Sajo]

This man was a Muslim who gave his life protecting the people around him from a violent and murderous Muslim terrorist.


ISIS. ISIS terrorists. Not Muslim.

[Nick Young]

ISIS. ISIS terrorists. Not Muslim.
He was an Islamist terrorist who was a member of a terrorist organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and self identified as a Muslim, if we wish to be PC about things.

[Bosnian Sajo]

He was an Islamist terrorist who was a member of a terrorist organization called the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and self identified as a Muslim, if we wish to be PC about things.


Idk what's pc about that, they aren't Muslim. Pretty simple. They don't associate with us (example, you idiot, would be this very event) and we don't associate with them. They have their religion, we have ours. It's painfully obvious that the 2 religions are completely different, night and day.


Everyone knows this. Don't play dumb...it's getting old. Very stale.


Reading your posts gives me the same feeling as when I drink a flat soda. Or a warm beer.

[Bosnian Sajo]

They don't kill us just for fun, they kill us because we have completely different views.

[Nick Young]

Idk what's pc about that, they aren't Muslim. Pretty simple. They don't associate with us (example, you idiot, would be this very event) and we don't associate with them. They have their religion, we have ours. It's painfully obvious that the 2 religions are completely different, night and day.


Everyone knows this. Don't play dumb...it's getting old. Very stale.


Reading your posts gives me the same feeling as when I drink a flat soda. Or a warm beer.
Stop making this about you dude, and your little personal vendetta.


This thread is about a brave Muslim hero. Stop distracting from the topic at hand and making this about PC identity politics. It is disrespectful to Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi's memory and his noble sacrifice.


Thank you:cheers:

[NumberSix]

They don't kill us just for fun, they kill us because we have completely different views.
Yes, they kill you because you don't pledge allegience to the caliph which is an offense punishable by death. ISIS didn't make this shit up. They don't make the rules, they just follow them.

You know who else doesn't pledge allegience to the caliph? Shia Muslims, which the Majority of Iraq is Shia, the Syrian regime is Shia.

Pull your head out of your ass and wake up to what the hell is going on.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yes, they kill you because you don't pledge allegience to the caliph which is an offense punishable by death. ISIS didn't make this shit up. They don't make the rules, they just follow them.

You know who else doesn't pledge allegience to the caliph? Shia Muslims, which the Majority of Iraq is Shia, the Syrian regime is Shia.

Pull your head out of your ass and wake up to what the hell is going on.


You can't just appoint someone the caliphate, smartass.


There hasn't been a Caliphate for over 100 years, can't be when all the Muslim countries are split up. ALL Muslims worldwide have to come together to be able to appoint/vote for a caliphate. To ISIS (and to us) we aren't the same religion, so only what they say matters.


We ain't the same, we don't even pray the same way.

[NumberSix]

You can't just appoint someone the caliphate, smartass.


There hasn't been a Caliphate for over 100 years, can't be when all the Muslim countries are split up. ALL Muslims worldwide have to come together to be able to appoint/vote for a caliphate. To ISIS (and to us) we aren't the same religion, so only what they say matters.


We ain't the same, we don't even pray the same way.
Dude, you don't have a clue.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Dude, you don't have a clue.


You know what, I won't even bother. Yall can think what you want, it doesn't affect my life so idgaf.



I was giving yall some knowledge, but obviously you know more about Islam than me.

Considering you read 3-4 internet articles and watched a few videos, you know that in Islam it is mandatory to **** a random bitch when you wake up and then, before going to sleep at night, to go out and kill at least 4 people. :hammerhead:


Brb, I wanna go eat lunch but first I gotta bomb a crowded area to show thanks for my food. :rolleyes:

[Meticode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0qD2K2RWkc

[Nick Young]

You can't just appoint someone the caliphate, smartass.


There hasn't been a Caliphate for over 100 years, can't be when all the Muslim countries are split up. ALL Muslims worldwide have to come together to be able to appoint/vote for a caliphate. To ISIS (and to us) we aren't the same religion, so only what they say matters.


We ain't the same, we don't even pray the same way.
The people in ISIS self-identify as Muslims.

They are Muslims, whether you are able to admit it or not.

Stop resorting to logical fallacy.

No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim ("no Scotsman would do such a thing"), rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman



This thread is about a noble Muslim hero. Stop making this about your personal politics and your own interpretation of Islam. Please stop disrespecting Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi's memory.

[Bosnian Sajo]

stfu nick, lol.

[Nick Young]

stfu nick, lol.
Stop making this about you and your "No True Muslim" fallacy.




The no true scotsman fallacy is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one’s position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about.
Example

The No True Scotsman fallacy involves discounting evidence that would refute a proposition, concluding that it hasn’t been falsified when in fact it has.

If Angus, a Glaswegian, who puts sugar on his porridge, is proposed as a counter-example to the claim “No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge”, the ‘No true Scotsman’ fallacy would run as follows:

(1) Angus puts sugar on his porridge.
(2) No (true) Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.
Therefore:
(3) Angus is not a (true) Scotsman.
Therefore:
(4) Angus is not a counter-example to the claim that no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge.

This fallacy is a form of circular argument, with an existing belief being assumed to be true in order to dismiss any apparent counter-examples to it. The existing belief thus becomes unfalsifiable.
Real-World Examples

An argument similar to this is often arises when people attempt to define religious groups. In some Christian groups, for example, there is an idea that faith is permanent, that once one becomes a Christian one cannot fall away. Apparent counter-examples to this idea, people who appear to have faith but subsequently lose it, are written off using the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy: they didn’t really have faith, they weren’t true Christians. The claim that faith cannot be lost is thus preserved from refutation. Given such an approach, this claim is unfalsifiable, there is no possible refutation of it.

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/


This thread is about a noble Muslim hero. Stop making this about your personal politics and your own interpretation of Islam. Please stop disrespecting Najih Shaker Al-Baldawi's memory.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Oh you got a term for it? :oldlol:



stfu, nick.

[Nick Young]

Oh you got a term for it? :oldlol:



stfu, nick.
I don't have a name for it. Human society has a name for it, because it's a foolish type of argument that ignorant people have attempted to use for thousands of years.

This isn't about you.


Stop disrespecting the memory of the brave Muslim man who sacrificed his life in the name of helping his neighbors and protecting his mosque.

[Nick Young]

stfu nick, lol.
This isn't about you and your ego.


Stop disrespecting the memory of the brave Muslim man who sacrificed his life in the name of helping his neighbors and protecting his mosque.


I am glad you understand. Thank you :)

[Nick Young]

stfu nick, lol.
Stop disrespecting the memory of the brave Muslim man who sacrificed his life in the name of helping his neighbors and protecting his mosque.


I am glad you understand. Thank you :)

[Patrick Chewing]

ISIS. ISIS terrorists. Not Muslim.


All the members of ISIS practice the Islamic faith.


You can try to distance yourself all you want from your Islamic brothers, but you're knee deep in it. You're a sniveling little coward that rather take the easy road out by claiming that these people are not Islamic, rather than face them head on.

[Bosnian Sajo]

All the members of ISIS practice the Islamic faith.


You can try to distance yourself all you want from your Islamic brothers, but you're knee deep in it.


:rockon:

[NumberSix]

ISIS are actually the muslimest muslims that ever muslimed.

[Bosnian Sajo]

ISIS are actually the muslimest muslims that ever muslimed.


Hell yea :banana: Those guys are saints.

[Nick Young]

ISIS are actually the muslimest muslims that ever muslimed.
It is true, they are practicing Islam the closest to how it was originally practiced by Mohammad and his first followers during Mohammad's lifetime.


Mohammad executed poets who wrote satires against him. Mohammad forced some people to convert to Islam or die. Mohammad captured slaves, just like ISIS is doing. Mohammad destroyed pagan temples and idols, just as ISIS have done. Mohammad conquered cities in the name of spreading his religion, just like ISIS.

I am not saying anything controversial. Everything I said above is sourced directly from the Koran and the Hadiths.


That being said, this thread is not about ISIS. This thread is about paying respect to a brave and noble Muslim hero. This man should show you people that no, not all Muslims are evil. A vast majority just want to lead peaceful and happy lives.

[Patrick Chewing]

Poor guy is confused and lost and doesn't even know his own religion.

Mohammed was a war monger. A decapitator of Jews and his enemies.


And we sometimes mention him in the same sentence as Christ??? Shameful. Embarrassing that so many people worship this false prophet who has blood on his hands.

Yes, ISIS is eliminating their enemies (non-Muslims) one by one, and doing it in the same fashion that Mohammed did all those years ago.

So weak individuals like Bosnia boy can deny they are Muslim all he wants, but the truth of the matter is ISIS is VERY, VERY Muslim and they're coming for you, for us, for everyone that does not submit to their will.

[imdaman99]

We have IS trying to kill innocents (non-soldiers) and this guy gave his life to save as many as he could. True hero <3 Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon

ITT we have the usual fools trying to explain our religion to us :oldlol: stay ignorant :roll:

[senelcoolidge]

ISIS practices the purest form of Islam. They are taking it back to it's barbaric bloody roots. How do you think the Muslims conquered so much land in such a short amount of time...by going door to door handing out pamphlets or by intimidating and killing everything in sight?

[iamgine]

ISIS practices the purest form of Islam. They are taking it back to it's barbaric bloody roots. How do you think the Muslims conquered so much land in such a short amount of time...by going door to door handing out pamphlets or by intimidating and killing everything in sight?
are you saying muhammad was basically isis?

[Patrick Chewing]

are you saying muhammad was basically isis?


Yes. They are following his teachings.



How is this not common knowledge already??

[Bosnian Sajo]

^
Because you're ****ing retarded :lol


Poor guy is confused and lost and doesn't even know his own religion.




Oh but thank god I have a beaner to teach me about Islam, dismissing the fact that I've been a Muslim for all 21 years of my life and learn more and more everyday while you've read 2-3 internet articles and are now an expert (alim?) on the religion.


Very impressive, the Stephen Hawkings of religion :applause: That is, if Stephen Hawkings had learned everything he knew about science skimming 2-3 internet articles.

[Bosnian Sajo]

ISIS practices the purest form of Islam. They are taking it back to it's barbaric bloody roots. How do you think the Muslims conquered so much land in such a short amount of time...by going door to door handing out pamphlets or by intimidating and killing everything in sight?


My dick is absolutely THROBBING right now :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

^
Because you're ****ing retarded :lol




Oh but thank god I have a beaner to teach me about Islam, dismissing the fact that I've been a Muslim for all 21 years of my life and learn more and more everyday while you've read 2-3 internet articles and are now an expert (alim?) on the religion.


Very impressive, the Stephen Hawkings of religion :applause: That is, if Stephen Hawkings had learned everything he knew about science skimming 2-3 internet articles.

You're a false Muslim. ISIS is the true Islam. They want to establish a Caliphate and rule the world. That's what Mohammed wanted you foolish boy. Get that through your head.

There has to better things to do than to teach 21 year-old no-nothings about their own religion.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're a false Muslim. ISIS is the true Islam. They want to establish a Caliphate and rule the world. That's what Mohammed wanted you foolish boy. Get that through your head.

There has to better things to do than to teach 21 year-old no-nothings about their own religion.

Again, no one is gonna listen to a beaner talking about Islam, you guys think that's some new wrestling app for the Iphone instead of a religion.

[Patrick Chewing]

Again, no one is gonna listen to a beaner talking about Islam, you guys think that's some new wrestling app for the Iphone instead of a religion.


You simpleton, no one has to listen to me about Islam. They can just turn their TV's on and see ISIS attempt to conquer the world while quoting the exact words of Mohammed.

What do you think Muslims over there have been trying to do for all these years? Live peacefully? :roll:

[nba_55]

Again, no one is gonna listen to a beaner talking about Islam, you guys think that's some new wrestling app for the Iphone instead of a religion.

Instead of just denying what the other poster say about Islam, why don't you prove them wrong with passages from Quran?

[nba_55]

We have IS trying to kill innocents (non-soldiers) and this guy gave his life to save as many as he could. True hero <3 Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon

ITT we have the usual fools trying to explain our religion to us :oldlol: stay ignorant :roll:

I'd like to know more about your religion, seriously. On the Internet, it's written that there are more than 100 passages in Quran where Muslims are called to take up arms against unbelievers in the name of Allah. How do you respond to that?

[Bosnian Sajo]

You simpleton, no one has to listen to me about Islam. They can just turn their TV's on and see ISIS attempt to conquer the world while quoting the exact words of Mohammed.

What do you think Muslims over there have been trying to do for all these years? Live peacefully? :roll:


LMAO FUUUUUUUCCKKKK, I gave you way too much credit dude, I thought you actually went out of your way to search for stuff on the internet and stumbled upon some hate sights.



NAAHHH! Not at all! This dumbass watches the TV and forms his opinion based on that :roll: :roll:


Oh myyy, I can't even. Whyyyy do I waste my time with this dude? :banghead:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Instead of just denying what the other poster say about Islam, why don't you prove them wrong with passages from Quran?


:oldlol:


You must be new here.

[nba_55]

:oldlol:


You must be new here.

I'm not new, but i don't visit the off the court lounge a lot. Why?

[Patrick Chewing]

I'll post an excerpt from the Quran cause our young friend here probably has never read the book.


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"


That last one is quite telling.

[Nick Young]

I'll post an excerpt from the Quran cause our young friend here probably has never read the book.


Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"


That last one is quite telling.

What are you, some kind of Islamophobe? You are taking everything out of context!!

By "cast terror in to hearts" Mohammad was actually talking metaphorically about one's inner struggle for peace!

When the word "fight" is used in the Koran, it actually means love and charity.

[Nick Young]

Again, no one is gonna listen to a beaner talking about Islam, you guys think that's some new wrestling app for the Iphone instead of a religion.
You don't even know what's written in your own holy book. It's likely you've never even read the Koran.

[Nick Young]

I'd like to know more about your religion, seriously. On the Internet, it's written that there are more than 100 passages in Quran where Muslims are called to take up arms against unbelievers in the name of Allah. How do you respond to that?
By "take up arms" Mohammad meant "peacefully convince people to convert to Islam peacefully" as part of the peacefgul spiritual struggle of peace called 'jihad'.

Mohammad was the most peaceful man in the world and never encouraged violence once in his life time.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I'm not new, but i don't visit the off the court lounge a lot. Why?

I'll give you a quick rundown, since I believe you...haven't seen you around much.



We have had COUNTLESS discussions about religion with the hate squad (chewing, 9er, nick, poido, etc.) and have proved our point sooo many times, that we have come to find out these people don't wanna come to a compromise or an understanding, they flat out hate and that's all they have in their heart. Hate. We have posted Quran verses before, hadiths, explained what a REAL Muslim's daily life is like, posted videos of local imams giving speeches (which happens often), however it's been a while since we did that last part. No matter what we come at them with, they ignore and keep hating.


So what's the point? Let them hate, **** em, they can't do shit. I can do whatever tf I want and live the most American pro Muslim life I want, and it'll eat them alive. They can't touch me or any other Muslim.


We are not the same as ISIS for MANY REASONS, but the one that should automatically separate us from them is this: It is said in a hadiths, that if one Muslim were to kill another man without reason, it is as if they killed all of humanity. That instantly separates us from ISIS, not even getting into the thick of things we believe differently.


"they kill cause Quran says" where does it say? Why don't all 1.7 billion of us go around and kill suckas off, then? Because it is not true. Simple as that dude, and don't try bringing in Sharia law into this argument when that law can only be established in a country where Islam is far away the predominant religion and even then, the rules must be followed accordingly, cannot take judgement into your own accord. Islam isn't something you learn from reading a few internet articles, it is literally a way of life. Enter the bathroom with your left foot, exit with your right. Say bismillah before eating. Pray 5 times a day. Pay zakiyat (2.5% tax on your current accumulated wealth, not items strictly money/gold/silver, that goes directly into the hands of the poor), do good deeds, wrong no one, never lie, always stay clean etc. etc.

It isn't "oh say the shehaddah and go murk a couple suckas on the corner, yaayyy great Muslim, heaven guaranteed". That is anti islam lol, and when it comes to non believers we are supposed to be kind and friendly with yall, as to be an ambassador of our own religion rather than be bad and have you think bad of us. ISIS is completely, 100% against Islam, and once you understand the fact that almost 90% of the people who were killed by ISIS WERE IN FACT MUSLIM, it should come to you as common sense.


We ain't the same.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You don't even know what's written in your own holy book. It's likely you've never even read the Koran.


nba_55, you see who you are siding with? This dude acts like he KNOWS what I do in my everyday life :oldlol:


I'm proud to announce that the first time I read through the entire Quran was when I was 13 years old. The 2nd time I read through the whole Quran, this time not only in Arabic but also the translation, was about 2 months before my 14th birthday. I'm 21 now, so you're about 8 years late with your statement. Most recent time I read the Quran was about 9-10 days ago, which is not good, I should keep up and do it at least 2-3 times a week...gotta drop my bad habits.

[Nick Young]

How is quoting the Koran and speaking about the true history of Mohammad=hate?


Is Islam a religion that is free from criticism?


Are we also not allowed to criticize Christianity now?

Are we not allowed to criticize Catholocism now?

Do blasphemy laws exist in America now?:confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

"they kill cause Quran says" where does it say? Why don't all 1.7 billion of us go around and kill suckas off, then? Because it is not true.


How can you go around deceiving people when I just plucked 2 of around 109 violent verses from the Quran?? This is why nobody can trust a Muslim. They will lie and deceive. This is called kitman and taqiyya.

kitman = the practice of deception or trickery, consisting of the art of making ambiguous statements, paying lip-service to authority while reserving personal opposition, in a kind of political camouflage or reservatio mentalis.

taqiyya = is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.

[Nick Young]

nba_55, you see who you are siding with? This dude acts like he KNOWS what I do in my everyday life :oldlol:


I'm proud to announce that the first time I read through the entire Quran was when I was 13 years old. The 2nd time I read through the whole Quran, this time not only in Arabic but also the translation, was about 2 months before my 14th birthday. I'm 21 now, so you're about 8 years late with your statement. Most recent time I read the Quran was about 9-10 days ago, which is not good, I should keep up and do it at least 2-3 times a week...gotta drop my bad habits.
Ah good, you are an expert!

As a Muslim, can you please explain to me what Mohammad really meant when he said:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

and similar things to these?:confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Ah good, you are an expert!

As a Muslim, can you please explain to me what Mohammad really meant when he said:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"

and similar things to these?:confusedshrug:


I can.

[Bosnian Sajo]

How can you go around deceiving people when I just plucked 2 of around 109 violent verses from the Quran?? This is why nobody can trust a Muslim. They will lie and deceive. This is called kitman and taqiyya.

kitman = the practice of deception or trickery, consisting of the art of making ambiguous statements, paying lip-service to authority while reserving personal opposition, in a kind of political camouflage or reservatio mentalis.

taqiyya = is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.

:oldlol:

[Nick Young]

We are not the same as ISIS for MANY REASONS, but the one that should automatically separate us from them is this: It is said in a hadiths, that if one Muslim were to kill another man without reason, it is as if they killed all of humanity. That instantly separates us from ISIS, not even getting into the thick of things we believe differently.



It also says in the Hadiths that Mohammad ordered the execution of poets who wrote satires and poems speaking out against him-just like how ISIS murdered the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for making satirical cartoons against Islam. It's almost as if ISIS did the exact same things Mohammad is written to have done in the Hadiths!


Here is a complete list of killings ordered by Mohammad himself, many of these killings are sourced directly from the Hadiths.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

:confusedshrug:


I can.
:oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

How is quoting the Koran and speaking about the true history of Mohammad=hate?


Is Islam a religion that is free from criticism?


Are we also not allowed to criticize Christianity now?

Are we not allowed to criticize Catholocism now?

Do blasphemy laws exist in America now?:confusedshrug:


Do whatever you want mane, we in America after all. You're basically talking to yourself at this point.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It also says in the Hadiths that Mohammad ordered the execution of poets who wrote satires and poems speaking out against him-just like how ISIS murdered the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for making satirical cartoons against Islam. It's almost as if ISIS did the exact same things Mohammad is written to have done in the Hadiths!


Here is a complete list of killings ordered by Mohammad himself, many of these killings are sourced directly from the Hadiths.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

:confusedshrug:


:oldlol:


I don't think you are familiar with the term hadiths :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah"


Note how he absolutely refuses to address these passages directly and is resorting to every logical fallacy under the sun to avoid answering directly. Note how he refuses to acknowledge the link listing the killings ordered by Mohammad in the Hadiths and Koran. His Imam taught him well. :cheers:



The same thing happens here every time these passages are brought up on ISH. The Muslims of ISH refuse to answer the question and resort to every tactic possible to try to flip the conversation, usually going with the victimization route.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's because you're so ****ing annoying nick, it has nothing to do with concealing shit. You literally never stop, I'll answer and you go again, I answer and you ask again, I'm not here to be your history teacher, dude.

Why don't you post the whole passages for people to read...why do you only put in one line? You can make anything look bad the way you do it, any idiot can do that.

[Nick Young]

I don't think you are familiar with the term hadiths :oldlol:
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
:oldlol:

[Nick Young]

It's because you're so ****ing annoying nick, it has nothing to do with concealing shit. You literally never stop, I'll answer and you go again, I answer and you ask again, I'm not here to be your history teacher, dude.

Why don't you post the whole passages for people to read...why do you only put in one line? You can make anything look bad the way you do it, any idiot can do that.
I ask the question still because it has never been answered by anyone on ISH. That is also why Patrick Chewing brought up those passages. No one ever addresses them and the Muslims always freak out and start hurling insults at people and spazzing out when those passages are brought up.

Every single time, just like the previous page of this thread.

[Bosnian Sajo]

The same thing happens here every time these passages are brought up on ISH. The Muslims of ISH refuse to answer the question and resort to every tactic possible to try to flip the conversation, usually going with the victimization route.

False, J$ has answered you countless of times, I used to post the entire passages of stuff you used to paraphrase the ish out of, but it's grown old considering you guys do this shit every. day. I realized that months ago so I stopped defending a while ago, I must be extra bored tonight :oldlol:

Every. Single. Day. For someone who is so against Islam, you sure are obsessed with it.

[Patrick Chewing]

I like how he defends those passages by saying that Mohammed doesn't tell us to kill someone without reason. But if you have a reason, then murder is acceptable?? LOL how barbaric and twisted.



This is why Sharia Law can never step foot on American soil. Crazy religion with crazy practices. No place for that in a civilized society.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I like how he defends those passages by saying that Mohammed doesn't tell us to kill someone without reason. But if you have a reason, then murder is acceptable?? LOL how barbaric and twisted.


Self defense is a reason, isn't it? Is self defense barbaric?

[Nick Young]

I like how he defends those passages by saying that Mohammed doesn't tell us to kill someone without reason. But if you have a reason, then murder is acceptable?? LOL how barbaric and twisted.
Mohammad was smart, he always left loopholes in his doctrines.


"Islam is a religion of peace. Convert to Islam or we will chop off your head and enslave your daughters"


That was the MO of Mohammad and his army after they conquered Mecca and Medina and went out to conquer the rest of the Arab peninsula and forcibly convert them to Islam by the sword.


Here is a link to primary sources showing all acts of violence committed under Mohammad's rule. (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Violence_Under_Muhammad_(Primary_Sources))

#History

Look Bosnian Sajo, I have no problem with Mohammad doing this. It was back in the day and he did what he felt he had to do. It was different times and Arab society was harsh. He accomplished a lot. There are a lot of positive things about the religion he created and the fact that Islam is still the fastest growing religion today is a testament to his extraordinary vision and foresight. He was IMO one of the most charismatic humans in history.


That doesn't mean I am going to pretend he also wasn't a warlord and many acts of violence were committed under his rule. The fact that he did these things doesn't wipe out the positive teachings in his religion. I just think it is wrong that many Muslims try to pretend and spread false truths about Mohammad's factual historic military exploits.

[senelcoolidge]

Here is a complete list of killings ordered by Mohammad himself, many of these killings are sourced directly from the Hadiths.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad

:confusedshrug:


:oldlol:

#22, WTF. Can someone explain this one? Mohammad was molested..I thought he was the molester.

[Bosnian Sajo]

People don't use Wikipedia as a source because it doesn't always have the correct things up, this dude using wikiislam, which is a propaganda site. Lolllll.



That's why I don't get into it with these guys anymore, they're dumbasses, point blank.

[Bosnian Sajo]

#22, WTF. Can someone explain this one? Mohammad was molested..I thought he was the molester.


Can't explain any of em considering the source.

[Nick Young]

People don't use Wikipedia as a source because it doesn't always have the correct things up, this dude using wikiislam, which is a propaganda site. Lolllll.



That's why I don't get into it with these guys anymore, they're dumbasses, point blank.
Yes, quoting the Hadiths is negative propaganda against Islam.

[Patrick Chewing]

Self defense is a reason, isn't it? Is self defense barbaric?


Mohammed doesn't really specify now does he?


Plus, there is proof that Mohammed killed for other reasons other than self-defense. He killed to conquer land and he killed out of spite and retribution.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yes, quoting the Hadiths is negative propaganda against Islam.

Those aren't hadiths, hate to break it to you.

[Nick Young]

Can't explain any of em considering the source.
yep, to be expected, another one of the many avoidance tactics.

"Check the source!" even though in this case the source is literally a list of quotes directly lifted from the hadiths and koran.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Mohammed doesn't really specify now does he?


Plus, there is proof that Mohammed killed for other reasons other than self-defense. He killed to conquer land and he killed out of spite and retribution.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx


Another excellent source.


I hope you learned something here tonight, nba_55.

[Nick Young]

Plus, there is proof that Mohammed killed for other reasons other than self-defense. He killed to conquer land and he killed out of spite and retribution.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/qurayza.aspx
Historic fact? What are you, some kind of racist Islamophobe? How dare you!

[iamgine]

Lemme ask a muslim this: What is shia and shiite muslim relationship?

Is it like christian and catholic type of deal where it's completely separate?

[senelcoolidge]

Sajo obviously doesn't know much. He was born into the religion and like a good boy half listens in the mosque or center he attends. He's probably tasted alcohol, watched porn, eaten pork (don't deny it), and done other things we infidels normally do. He doesn't even know what's in the Koran. He's way over his head in this thread.

[Patrick Chewing]

The fact that he did these things doesn't wipe out the positive teachings in his religion.


I think it does man. I have seen countless number of personal stories of Muslims renouncing their faith due to their discovery of the true nature of Mohammed.

I don't think there is anything positive we can take from the Muslim faith other than perhaps the fact that they do believe in a Creator.

Islam is a false religion with a false Messiah and history's finest soldiers from Charlemagne to Richard the Lionheart to modern day Israel and the West have been trying to stop them from conquering the world.

[Patrick Chewing]

Another excellent source.





It's the truth, whether you want to believe it or not. I think you do believe it, but you look the other way as most moderate Muslims do. This is shameful on your part. I think you should stand up and realize that ISIS is using this form of Islam to kill fellow Muslims and to kill non-Muslims.

If the shoe were on the other foot and this was a Christian problem, you could be damn sure the Christian world would have stomped that shit out a long time ago.

This is why I can't stand you people. You're either cowards or killers.

[Nick Young]

Anecdotally I know many Muslims who lead positive lives and are just helpful dudes in their community. It is possible to interpret the religion in a non-violent non-conquering way.


The problem is it is far too easy to also interpret in the other direction, as we have seen with groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, the PLO, Al Quaeda and now ISIS.

[Nick Young]

Another excellent source.


I hope you learned something here tonight, nba_55.
Do you honestly not know about the military history of Mohammad?

Do you honestly not know?:confusedshrug: