Supporting casts in the finals rankings

[Chadwin]

Why is Robinson listed as the best player in 1999 for the Spurs and not Duncan?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/

[SouBeachTalents]

Ditto Laimbeer over Isiah

[JT123]

No surprise Bron has had 3 of the worst ever Finals supporting casts. :facepalm
Only a top 2 player all time could squeeze 3 rings out of the garbage he's had to work with throughout his career.

[3ball]

No surprise Bron has had 3 of the worst ever Finals supporting casts. :facepalm


The list shows that Jordan won with less - he won with less in 91' and 93' than Lebron won with in 12' and 13'

Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.

But the list is complete bullshit - the list simply looks at production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too.
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[bigkingsfan]

[I]But it

[3ball]

But it’s also a testament to James that he’s carried the load for two of the bottom three — :bowdown:


Lebron lowers the stats of his teammates, but the list doesn't consider whether teammates are playing to full capacity or not.

i.e. Wade, Bosh and Love don't play to full capacity next to Lebron, whereas Pippen and Grant played to full capacity next to Jordan (their stats were the same with and without him).

Btw, the list shows that Jordan won rings in 1991 and 1993 with weaker supporting casts than Lebron won with in 2012 and 2013.. Therefore, Jordan won with less than Lebron ever has.

[bigkingsfan]

Jordan #1 stacked team ever. :eek:

[3ball]

Jordan #1 stacked team ever. :eek:



Is that why he had to carry the biggest scoring load ever (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) (1), AND lead his team in passing (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49) (2), AND be the best defender ever at his position?



(1) No all-time great led their team in scoring for every playoff series of their careers, let alone by average margin of 15.4 ppg (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=406920) like Jordan

(2) Jordan led Bulls in assist percentage for both 3-peats (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11713121&postcount=49), so he assisted on highest proportion of teammate FG's)

[3ball]

Jordan #1 stacked team ever. :eek:


The list shows that Jordan won with less - he won with less in 91' and 93' than Lebron won with in 12' and 13'

Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.

But the list is complete bullshit - the list simply looks at production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too.
.

[bigkingsfan]

That's what tends to happen when you're the #1 usage player, aka ball hog, of all time @ 33.26

[feyki]

Dirk and Hakeem :bowdown: :bowdown:

Also , Duncan's 03 was amazing :applause: :applause:

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[3ball]

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The list shows that Jordan won with less - he won with less in 91' and 93' than Lebron won with in 12' and 13'

Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.

But the list is complete bullshit - the list simply looks at production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too.
.

[nba_55]

Not surprised to see that Jordan had some of the most stacked teams ever.

[3ball]

Not surprised to see that Jordan had some of the most stacked teams ever.


The list shows that Jordan won with less - he won with less in 91' and 93' than Lebron won with in 12' and 13'

Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.

But the list is complete bullshit - the list simply looks at production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too.

[riseagainst]

Lebron with some of the weakest supporting casts in the finals and still managed to win 3.

:bowdown:

MJ with the best supporting cast ever. No surprise there.

[ninephive]

Why is Robinson listed as the best player in 1999 for the Spurs and not Duncan?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-this-years-cavs-rank-among-lebrons-nba-finals-supporting-casts/
For the same reason the list Duncan as the Spurs best player in 2013 and not Parker.

[branslowski]

Dirk the only one who won with Legit Role players.

[3ball]

Lebron with some of the weakest supporting casts in the finals and still managed to win 3.

MJ with the best supporting cast ever. No surprise there.


The list shows that MJ won with less - he won with less in 91 and 93 than Lebron won with in 12 and 13

Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.

But the list is complete bullshit - the list simply looks at role player production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too.

[ShawkFactory]

Jordan's 1996 supporting cast wow

[HylianNightmare]

Op needs to get laid

[3ball]

Jordan's 1996 supporting cast wow


Can Paxson or Kerr do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4u_Cn3N1K0


The reality is that Paxson and Kerr had far less talent than Chalmers, JR Smith or Ray Allen, but the Bulls had far greater TEAMWORK, which the 538 list doesn't consider.

The list simply looks at role player production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too - that's how it's possible for the less-talented Paxson and Kerr to play better than Chalmers or JR Smith or Ray Allen.

[ShawkFactory]

Can Paxson or Kerr do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4u_Cn3N1K0


The reality is that Paxson and Kerr had far less talent than Chalmers, JR Smith or Ray Allen, but the Bulls had far greater TEAMWORK, which the 538 list doesn't consider.

The list simply looks at role player production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too - that's how it's possible for the less-talented Paxson and Kerr to play better than Chalmers or JR Smith or Ray Allen.

Of course, the list shows that MJ won with less - he won with less in 91 and 93 than Lebron won with in 12 and 13... Infact, the list ranks Jordan's 1991 cast about the same as Lebron's 2014 cast.
Who cares if they can do that or not. Being able to have a highlight reel dunk =\= excellence as a basketball player.

Some of the best Dunkers in the world can't play.

[3ball]

Who cares if they can do that or not. Being able to have a highlight reel dunk =\= excellence as a basketball player.

Some of the best Dunkers in the world can't play.


Kerr was actually cut by the Orlando Magic before joining the Bulls - it's an obvious fact that Kerr and Paxson had far less talent than Chalmers, JR Smith or Ray Allen.

But the Bulls had far greater TEAMWORK, which the 538 list doesn't consider.

The list simply looks at role player production and equates that with talent, when having great teamwork and being a great TEAM helps production too - that's how it's possible for the less-talented Paxson and Kerr to play better than Chalmers or JR Smith or Ray Allen.