Dallas Police Chief

[Heilige]

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[redhonda76]

Well said. Huge part of the problem with the black community is that there is a very weak family value. Too many single parents, very little parental guidance, and doesn't establish education as their top priority.

[masonanddixon]

Well said. Huge part of the problem with the black community is that there is a very weak family value. Too many single parents, very little parental guidance, and doesn't establish education as their top priority.

These people should be getting sterilised literally the instant they shit out a baby.

But instead they are allowed to procreate with impunity and society has to deal with shitty DNA for at least 18 years.

[Akrazotile]

WELL SAID :applause:

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[andgar923]

Ok

Rarely do I defend police. But here me out.

Some police departments are underfunded and surprise surprise, guess which departments they are?

Underfunded also means officers often work multiple shifts in a row with little rest in between. To top it off, the 'good' cops get promoted to areas that can afford to pay them more which leaves newbies and poorly trained officers in the underfunded neighborhoods.

I feel that most people simply want accountability from the police department.

I strongly believe that 90% of the outrage and hatred towards police officers would be eliminated/curbed if there was accountability and/or a more balanced approach to how police handle whites vs non-whites.

Is that too hard to ask for?

Accountability and respect

I know that not all police officers are inherently racist.

I know that not all abuse stories are based on racist beliefs.

Most joining the force don't go into it with the belief "Im gonna be racist and kill innocent people!!!" but its own system makes it hard for them. They are underpaid, over worked, and under pressure.

Yet that does not excuse them for not being held accountable nor disciplined.

Perhaps if some of these officers personally apologized and tried to make up for their actions to the families personally, we'd have some more sympathy towards some of them (key word 'some').

But they cover up, lie, twist, and point the finger when shit goes wrong.

C'mon...

[97 bulls]

Ok

Rarely do I defend police. But here me out.

Some police departments are underfunded and surprise surprise, guess which departments they are?

Underfunded also means officers often work multiple shifts in a row with little rest in between. To top it off, the 'good' cops get promoted to areas that can afford to pay them more which leaves newbies and poorly trained officers in the underfunded neighborhoods.

I feel that most people simply want accountability from the police department.

I strongly believe that 90% of the outrage and hatred towards police officers would be eliminated/curbed if there was accountability and/or a more balanced approach to how police handle whites vs non-whites.

Is that too hard to ask for?

Accountability and respect

I know that not all police officers are inherently racist.

I know that not all abuse stories are based on racist beliefs.

Most joining the force don't go into it with the belief "Im gonna be racist and kill innocent people!!!" but its own system makes it hard for them. They are underpaid, over worked, and under pressure.

Yet that does not excuse them for not being held accountable nor disciplined.

Perhaps if some of these officers personally apologized and tried to make up for their actions to the families personally, we'd have some more sympathy towards some of them (key word 'some').

But they cover up, lie, twist, and point the finger when shit goes wrong.

C'mon...
I'll add to this. I feel that in many of these instances like the Philandro Castille one, the police are just too scared. And that's my gripe. The constant profiling and statistics used to portray all blacks as being these violent criminals is just exacerbating the problem. The truth is its the same blacks that are doing the crime.

[UK2K]

The problem is, people in general (examples on ISH everywhere) think being an officer is like being an accountant. 'Here is your task for the day, run these sheets in numerical order. File the paperwork'.

It's not like that. One day you may be cleaning up a wreck, the next you are walking in on a murder. You may leave a domestic dispute where you argue for an hour with either spouse, or both, in order to determine if someone needs to go to jail. Then, you're called to a bar fight. Then, you're helping scrape someone's face off the guardrail after they got drunk and decided to drive home. But remember, when your shift ends, you have to coach your kid's baseball team.

Oh, and also, you can't use robots to kill people. Apparently (and this is news to me), some in this country would rather a human actually snipe them instead.

There's no job in the world where someone is right 100% of the time.

[SpaceJam]

“Become a part of the solution, serve your community. Don’t be a part of the problem…we’re hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood – we will help you resolve some of the problems you are protesting about.”


That was so GOAT, either do something about it or sit tf down. Be told

[UK2K]

I'll add to this. I feel that in many of these instances like the Philandro Castille one, the police are just too scared. And that's my gripe. The constant profiling and statistics used to portray all blacks as being these violent criminals is just exacerbating the problem. The truth is its the same blacks that are doing the crime.

If you got called to a scene of someone pointing a gun at people, and you ask to search that person (because you know he has a gun), he says no, you attempt to detain him, and he starts fighting you (because he's a three time felon and knows he is going to jail for decades if he's caught with said gun) and reaching for his gun (he did reach, multiple times), I guess you'd be totally cool, huh?

Get on the front lines then hero. Let's see it. You remind me of the people who tried to convince others its easy to avoid civilian casualties during wartime in Afghanistan. Despite zero training, or experience, you've got all the answers.

There's too many people like you.

[poido123]

If you got called to a scene of someone pointing a gun at people, and you ask to search that person (because you know he has a gun), he says no, you attempt to detain him, and he starts fighting you (because he's a three time felon and knows he is going to jail for decades if he's caught with said gun) and reaching for his gun (he did reach, multiple times), I guess you'd be totally cool, huh?

Get on the front lines then hero. Let's see it. You remind me of the people who tried to convince others its easy to avoid civilian casualties during wartime in Afghanistan. Despite zero training, or experience, you've got all the answers.

There's too many people like you.



Armchair warriors.


It's the same virtue signalling mentality these lefties have when they criticise the government over refugee intake, yet can't take a single one in.

[andgar923]

The problem is, people in general (examples on ISH everywhere) think being an officer is like being an accountant. 'Here is your task for the day, run these sheets in numerical order. File the paperwork'.

It's not like that. One day you may be cleaning up a wreck, the next you are walking in on a murder. You may leave a domestic dispute where you argue for an hour with either spouse, or both, in order to determine if someone needs to go to jail. Then, you're called to a bar fight. Then, you're helping scrape someone's face off the guardrail after they got drunk and decided to drive home. But remember, when your shift ends, you have to coach your kid's baseball team.

Oh, and also, you can't use robots to kill people. Apparently (and this is news to me), some in this country would rather a human actually snipe them instead.

There's no job in the world where someone is right 100% of the time.
Is accountability and restructuring of the system too hard to ask for?

Yes people make mistakes but at least in other jobs they're held accountable, whereas in some cases cops that kill innocents get promoted.

If the departments had better training and infrastructure then less "mistakes" would be made.

I love how you try to excuse and minimize unwarranted killings as simple "mistakes".

[oh the horror]

When he says "we're asking the cops to do too much"


Who is we? I haven't asked cops to do anything but their jobs.


I don't know anyone else asking cops to do anything else but their jobs.



Maybe the chief should start rallying with the community aim his gripe with the government that probably underfunds his entire department?


Or the piss poor training they get as officers?



So wait wait....it's the communities fault that you may have some out of control police officers? Wtf kind of remark is that?


We all KNOW it's a hard job. No one is sitting here claiming it's like working at Burger King. But are we now taking up excuses ?


Tell him to write a letter to his local congressman. Unreal dude.

[UK2K]

Armchair warriors.


It's the same virtue signalling mentality these lefties have when they criticise the government over refugee intake, yet can't take a single one in.

Monday morning quarterbacks...

Hey, watch this video frame by frame and tell me what you think should happen. It's real easy to sit back and tell us what YOU think should have happened... it's different in practice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

He'll tell you how easy it is.

[UK2K]

Is accountability and restructuring of the system too hard to ask for?

Yes people make mistakes but at least in other jobs they're held accountable, whereas in some cases cops that kill innocents get promoted.

If the departments had better training and infrastructure then less "mistakes" would be made.

I love how you try to excuse and minimize unwarranted killings as simple "mistakes".

Restructuring... how?

I love how you think a mistake in your office has the same repercussions as mistakes made during the arrest of a violent felon.

I didn't minimize anything. In fact, I compared it to accidental shootings overseas. It's not a minimal mistake by any means, but when the line between life and death is a split second decision (cause that's common in your office I'm sure), sometimes shit happens.

There's zero doubt the child molester reached for his gun. Now, you may watch the video and think differently, but when push comes to shove, the officers did what they had to do to make it home. None of this was necessary to begin with, but, let's focus on the 15 seconds before the shots were fired.

[NumberSix]

I'll add to this. I feel that in many of these instances like the Philandro Castille one, the police are just too scared. And that's my gripe.
I'd just like to point out that you've apparently decided that you know exactly what happened in a 1 week old case that wasn't recorded and hasn't been investigated yet. I think this speaks for itself as to your level of objectivity.


The constant profiling and statistics used to portray all blacks as being these violent criminals is just exacerbating the problem. The truth is its the same blacks that are doing the crime.
are stats exacerbating the problem or is it that black men ARE committing an insane amount of violent crime that is exacerbating the problem?

If blacks had the same rates of violent crime as Asians, do you think there would be any issue with the black community and policing? Now, I know that's not an entirely fair question. If you're an individual black person you can't control what other black people do and you shouldn't be held responsible for other people's behavior just because they share a physical trait with you. Hopefully that's something we all agree on. But it's also intellectually dishonest to pretend that the higher focus of police attention on blacks isn't a direct result of blacks committing more violent crime than all other groups combined.

[andgar923]

Restructuring... how?

I love how you think a mistake in your office has the same repercussions as mistakes made during the arrest of a violent felon.

I didn't minimize anything. In fact, I compared it to accidental shootings overseas. It's not a minimal mistake by any means, but when the line between life and death is a split second decision (cause that's common in your office I'm sure), sometimes shit happens.

There's zero doubt the child molester reached for his gun. Now, you may watch the video and think differently, but when push comes to shove, the officers did what they had to do to make it home. None of this was necessary to begin with, but, let's focus on the 15 seconds before the shots were fired.

For starters, they can hold those that did make a mistake accountable for their actions.

Better training, mental examination and shift schedules to avoid over worked officers and inexperienced ones.

More funding or a restructuring of how the finding gets spent.

But the issue lies at its core. Cops that speak out get punished or harassed which allows questionable behavior.

I do think police violence has decreased from the past. The main difference is modern era tech exploits and magnifies the issues.

ive been in 3 situations in which some officers were out of hand, others weren't sure how to react and others knew what was happening wasn't cool. So not all officers are bad, but the system is a disease that infects most.

[UK2K]

For starters, they can hold those that did make a mistake accountable for their actions.

I agree, they should.


Better training, mental examination and shift schedules to avoid over worked officers and inexperienced ones.

Better training... how? With what money? Also, since they can't get anyone to work for the police departments lately, who exactly are you shifting around? Who you going to hire? You do know the entrance qualifications are being relaxed, right? Because they can't get anyone to sign up. You knew that. So, in your opinion, do you hire less than stellar applicants or leave parts of the city with a lesser police presence? Think hard now.


More funding or a restructuring of how the finding gets spent.
We've wanted that from the federal government for years... and they still manage to lose billions every year.


But the issue lies at its core. Cops that speak out get punished or harassed which allows questionable behavior.
Sometimes. Believe me, there's nobody that wants to hold officers accountable for their actions more than me, which is why I've been adamant about doubling the sentences of officers charged with crimes while wearing their uniform. But that happens anywhere. ANYWHERE. Including where you work. Including where I work.


I do think police violence has decreased from the past. The main difference is modern era tech exploits and magnifies the issues.

ive been in 3 situations in which some officers were out of hand, others weren't sure how to react and others knew what was happening wasn't cool. So not all officers are bad, but the system is a disease that infects most.

The ones you speak of, the criminal ones, are few and far between. Almost a million officers in this country, and you hear the stories of maybe 50 all year. You've fallen into the pit of hearing shit on the news and thinking that its common. It's not.

I've had good, and bad, run-ins with the cops as well. I don't like them, that's why I decided against taking a job offer with two different departments; because I didn't want to work with them.

But having been in the same situations they endure, I understand that their job is not black and white (no pun intended). There is a lot, A LOT, of room for choices to be made, and not all 1,000 decisions made by 1,000,000 officers every day is going to be the correct choice, as hard as that is to imagine.

With the child molester, I think they got it right. The other dude, I don't know yet because I've only heard one side of the story, which was an unbelievable story no less.

But if he's guilty, I hope he serves time. Twice as much, to be exact.

[UK2K]

Little background on the Dallas police chief:

[QUOTE][B]Brown felt that heartbreak before when, on Father

[32jazz]

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/11/dallas-police-chief-were-asking-cops-to-do-too-much-in-this-country/


I applaud him for that. For all that talk about the lack of black men with viable jobs, over policing and 'white cops in black hoods just don't understand'...he's actually attempting to fix that problem.

No marching no rioting and enough talking--take some action.:cry:


Tell Cops & police Unions to stop fighting Marijuana & drug legalization & other million laws on the books.


The " War on Drugs " & Civil Forfeiture is good for business.


Declare a war on citizens & then are shocked when they declare war back on you.

[97 bulls]

I'd just like to point out that you've apparently decided that you know exactly what happened in a 1 week old case that wasn't recorded and hasn't been investigated yet. I think this speaks for itself as to your level of objectivity.
No. I don't know exactly what happened. And its true. We will never know. I thought I was giving the officer a pass by saying I think he was more scared than racists.


are stats exacerbating the problem or is it that black men ARE committing an insane amount of violent crime that is exacerbating the problem?
So that justifies the deaths of men that don't have to die? That's my point. A lot of these men are innocent. They died based on preconceived notions based off those stats. Tamir Rice wasn't committing a crime. The guy in Walmart wasn't committing a crime. And based on Philandro Castille criminal history, I doubt he was committing a crime either.



If blacks had the same rates of violent crime as Asians, do you think there would be any issue with the black community and policing? Now, I know that's not an entirely fair question. If you're an individual black person you can't control what other black people do and you shouldn't be held responsible for other people's behavior just because they share a physical trait with you. Hopefully that's something we all agree on. But it's also intellectually dishonest to pretend that the higher focus of police attention on blacks isn't a direct result of blacks committing more violent crime than all other groups combined.
I think it comes down to what came first the chicken or the egg. Are police patrolling black neighborhoods more due to crime? Or are they finding crime in black neighborhoods more because they patrol those neighborhoods more.

And here's where you totally fall off a cliff. You refuse to acknowledge the pipeline to prison system we live in. You refuse to acknowledge that blacks receive harsher punishment for the same crimes commited by their counterparts, which makes it harder to bounce back, and thus forces them into crime to survive.

I can acknowledge that blacks commit more than than any other race. But you won't acknowledge the reasons.

[97 bulls]

I agree, they should.



Better training... how? With what money? Also, since they can't get anyone to work for the police departments lately, who exactly are you shifting around? Who you going to hire? You do know the entrance qualifications are being relaxed, right? Because they can't get anyone to sign up. You knew that. So, in your opinion, do you hire less than stellar applicants or leave parts of the city with a lesser police presence? Think hard now.


We've wanted that from the federal government for years... and they still manage to lose billions every year.


Sometimes. Believe me, there's nobody that wants to hold officers accountable for their actions more than me, which is why I've been adamant about doubling the sentences of officers charged with crimes while wearing their uniform. But that happens anywhere. ANYWHERE. Including where you work. Including where I work.



The ones you speak of, the criminal ones, are few and far between. Almost a million officers in this country, and you hear the stories of maybe 50 all year. You've fallen into the pit of hearing shit on the news and thinking that its common. It's not.

I've had good, and bad, run-ins with the cops as well. I don't like them, that's why I decided against taking a job offer with two different departments; because I didn't want to work with them.

But having been in the same situations they endure, I understand that their job is not black and white (no pun intended). There is a lot, A LOT, of room for choices to be made, and not all 1,000 decisions made by 1,000,000 officers every day is going to be the correct choice, as hard as that is to imagine.

With the child molester, I think they got it right. The other dude, I don't know yet because I've only heard one side of the story, which was an unbelievable story no less.

But if he's guilty, I hope he serves time. Twice as much, to be exact.
And this shows how out of touch (not that you should have to be) with what goes on in the life of black men. This happens ALOT. Funny. For all this talk about black crime...... I've never been robbed or shot by a gang member. But I have been harassed by police officers on multiple occasions. And I grew up in Compton and Watts.

[poido123]

And this shows how out of touch (not that you should have to be) with what goes on in the life of black men. This happens ALOT. Funny. For all this talk about black crime...... I've never been robbed or shot by a gang member. But I have been harassed by police officers on multiple occasions. And I grew up in Compton and Watts.


You are not special. You are just like everyone else. Stop playing a victim


Making accounts of stories in your life does not prove your point :roll:

[97 bulls]

You are not special. You are just like everyone else. Stop playing a victim


Making accounts of stories in your life does not prove your point :roll:
What the hell? How are you arriving at this conclusion?

[Akrazotile]

:cry:


Tell Cops & police Unions to stop fighting Marijuana & drug legalization & other million laws on the books.


The " War on Drugs " & Civil Forfeiture is good for business.


Declare a war on citizens & then are shocked when they declare war back on you.


Are these groups documented as being lobbyists against legalization?

Link?

[UK2K]

And this shows how out of touch (not that you should have to be) with what goes on in the life of black men. This happens ALOT. Funny. For all this talk about black crime...... I've never been robbed or shot by a gang member. But I have been harassed by police officers on multiple occasions. And I grew up in Compton and Watts.
Harassed? Like they stopped and asked what you were doing? Like when they pull you over for doing 6 over? Me too. But it was 3am and I was driving a car that more than likely was driven by someone in their 20s, who had very few reasons to be out on a back road that early, so it was plausible that the car he saw was being driven by someone under the influence of alcohol trying to get home.

So was I mad? No. Because I know he stopped me for a reason, legal or not. He knew it was bullshit, I knew it was bullshit. But I understood his main goal is to deter crime and stupidity, and it was entirely plausible the driver he saw was committing a crime, and being stupid.

Most crimes are 'solved' by chance. Preventive, proactive police work is what keeps our streets safe. It doesn't do me any good if someone breaks into my house and robs me, I'd rather they stop the guy walking in the neighborhood with tools in his hand.

Is it right? Not really, but I'd rather see them attempting to stop crime before it happens rather than try to solve it afterwards.

[Akrazotile]

So that justifies the deaths of men that don't have to die? That's my point. A lot of these men are innocent. They died based on preconceived notions based off those stats.


Bro, you will never change this aspect of nature. It is a fundamental human instinct. The human brain is wired to categorize. When people see a black guy, with corn rows, wearing a wife beater, tatted up, gold teeth, driving a '74 impala... He may be completely innocent, but if he looks just like the people everyone is accustomed to seeing commit the most crime and violence, people will make that assumption before they know the person. You'll never change that. In the case of a regular civilian judging them it doesn't matter much, but when a police officer has to engage them, and he is human and he has that perception, and he knows people attack and kill cops, and any given traffic stop could be that time... He's quicker on the trigger. You'll never change that.

Instead, you should focus on changing the REASON these stereotypes exist. Fix the actual image and action people in these communities project. The issue is, YOU don't care so much about black lives in general. When a black person kills a black person, that's no insult to you, so who cares? When a white person kills a black person, that's sort of like an indirect insult to you as a black person as well. So NOW you're upset. That's pretty shallow, don't you think? You only care when black people die, if it was a white person who killed them. That's why these communities are not getting the support and tough-love they need. Because nobody - including black people - REALLY cares, until it's personal. Which, to the actual dismay of eager, angry black revolutionaries, actually is not the case very often.

[Bourne]

How come no one brings up the fact (often enough, or quickly enough) that socioeconomic status is the biggest indicator of criminality? I bet poor people are over-represented in interactions with the police, too.

[ALBballer]

How come no one brings up the fact (often enough, or quickly enough) that socioeconomic status is the biggest indicator of criminality? I bet poor people are over-represented in interactions with the police, too.

Spot on.

[DeuceWallaces]

How come no one brings up the fact (often enough, or quickly enough) that socioeconomic status is the biggest indicator of criminality? I bet poor people are over-represented in interactions with the police, too.

Uh, that's the whole foundation of urban sociological research.

[97 bulls]

Harassed? Like they stopped and asked what you were doing? Like when they pull you over for doing 6 over? Me too. But it was 3am and I was driving a car that more than likely was driven by someone in their 20s, who had very few reasons to be out on a back road that early, so it was plausible that the car he saw was being driven by someone under the influence of alcohol trying to get home.

So was I mad? No. Because I know he stopped me for a reason, legal or not. He knew it was bullshit, I knew it was bullshit. But I understood his main goal is to deter crime and stupidity, and it was entirely plausible the driver he saw was committing a crime, and being stupid.

Most crimes are 'solved' by chance. Preventive, proactive police work is what keeps our streets safe. It doesn't do me any good if someone breaks into my house and robs me, I'd rather they stop the guy walking in the neighborhood with tools in his hand.

Is it right? Not really, but I'd rather see them attempting to stop crime before it happens rather than try to solve it afterwards.
Yes. All those things multiplied. Like when my Son got handcuffed and thrown in the police car while he was taking out the trash before school. Or the multiple timed I've been pulled over for whole I'm driving home from work. For no apparent reason.

Like what that officer did to Sandra Bland. She didn't break any laws, but for some reason, he decides to make a U turn, and speed right up on her and then pull her over for illegal lane change.

And maybe you're right. It may happen to all races (stats say it doesnt) but far too many timee, innocent people are being killed. And I don't see the same happening to white people.

[97 bulls]

How come no one brings up the fact (often enough, or quickly enough) that socioeconomic status is the biggest indicator of criminality? I bet poor people are over-represented in interactions with the police, too.
Exactly

[97 bulls]

Bro, you will never change this aspect of nature. It is a fundamental human instinct. The human brain is wired to categorize. When people see a black guy, with corn rows, wearing a wife beater, tatted up, gold teeth, driving a '74 impala... He may be completely innocent, but if he looks just like the people everyone is accustomed to seeing commit the most crime and violence, people will make that assumption before they know the person. You'll never change that. In the case of a regular civilian judging them it doesn't matter much, but when a police officer has to engage them, and he is human and he has that perception, and he knows people attack and kill cops, and any given traffic stop could be that time... He's quicker on the trigger. You'll never change that.
Very true. But far too often. Too many innocent people get killed. Thnx in large part to those stereotypes. Even if it's one? That's too many.


Instead, you should focus on changing the REASON these stereotypes exist. Fix the actual image and action people in these communities project. The issue is, YOU don't care so much about black lives in general. When a black person kills a black person, that's no insult to you, so who cares? When a white person kills a black person, that's sort of like an indirect insult to you as a black person as well. So NOW you're upset. That's pretty shallow, don't you think? You only care when black people die, if it was a white person who killed them. That's why these communities are not getting the support and tough-love they need. Because nobody - including black people - REALLY cares, until it's personal. Which, to the actual dismay of eager, angry black revolutionaries, actually is not the case very often.
Lol. First, you don't don't what I'm doing in the black community. But let me enlighten you. I co- run a small group whose main mission is to preach accountabilty. I have these same accountability discussions with black people. Especially youths. I counsel the young girls on making better choices with the men they procreate with. I push men to be self sufficent, and take accountability for their actions. I also preach that the black community can NOT get better until we start to own and run our own stuff. To stop being so dependant on the government. Because nothing is free and the money and support that is given comes at a price. And that price is the limiting a person's ability to reach their goals. It's not the white man's job to help us reach our goals. But it's also not white man job to hold us back. We allow them to do that when we ask for their support. Because the support they give comes with the stipulation that you can't try to improve. Because if you do, those services are gonna be taken away. Unlike corporate welfare which never seems to be looked down upon because whites are the recipients of it.

Again. We agree that there's a tremendous problem in the black community. What can't agree on, is why. You think it's because blacks are inherently evil. I know it's because of the limitations set on us (by ourselves as I stated), and that there's incentive to control us and hold us back (the prison industrial conplex).

[Akrazotile]

Lol. First, you don't don't what I'm doing in the black community. But let me enlighten you. I co- run a small group whose main mission is to preach accountabilty. I have these same accountability discussions with black people. Especially youths. I counsel the young girls on making better choices with the men they procreate with. I push men to be self sufficent, and take accountability for their actions. I also preach that the black community can NOT get better until we start to own and run our own stuff. To stop being so dependant on the government. Because nothing is free and the money and support that is given comes at a price. And that price is the limiting a person's ability to reach their goals. It's not the white man's job to help us reach our goals. But it's also not white man job to hold us back. We allow them to do that when we ask for their support. Because the support they give comes with the stipulation that you can't try to improve. Because if you do, those services are gonna be taken away. Unlike corporate welfare which never seems to be looked down upon because whites are the recipients of it.

Again. We agree that there's a tremendous problem in the black community. What can't agree on, is why. You think it's because blacks are inherently evil. I know it's because of the limitations set on us (by ourselves as I stated), and that there's incentive to control us and hold us back (the prison industrial conplex).


You're right, and my observations weren't really intended to mean you personally, even though I was addressing them to you. But I do believe in general the BLM/blacktivist contingent are far more concerned with the perceived personal slights they feel when a black person is killed by someone white, than with the much more common issue of black people dying young in general. If black people live in bad conditions, have poor education, kill each other, and generally have unenviable prospects... there are no protests. There are no demonstrations, no fist raising, no chanting, no posters, no edgy facebook profile pictures, no podium speeches.

Black folks in general seem to get less upset, LITERALLY, over rampant murder rates in their own communities, than they do over the insult of a black person being killed by someone white. Because that's what their problem is with this police thing. It's not the black men who are actually DYING. It's not the FACT black guys are being killed. It's the fact that someone from another race is doing it, and that's an INSULT.

As long as the insult is a bigger priority than the homicide, it's gonna be a pretty uphill climb.

[Akrazotile]

Again. We agree that there's a tremendous problem in the black community. What can't agree on, is why. You think it's because blacks are inherently evil. I know it's because of the limitations set on us (by ourselves as I stated), and that there's incentive to control us and hold us back (the prison industrial conplex).


https://media.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/giphy.gif


Brah, you are addicted to the 'us vs them' mentality. 'Nobody gives us a chance.' 'Us vs the world.'

I get that maybe you think that's a useful rallying/motivational point. But it's insulting to the people you're trying to get to work with you, and it's a poor strategy in the long run.

Just a heads up.

[poido123]

You're right, and my observations weren't really intended to mean you personally, even though I was addressing them to you. But I do believe in general the BLM/blacktivist contingent are far more concerned with the perceived personal slights they feel when a black person is killed by someone white, than with the much more common issue of black people dying young in general. If black people live in bad conditions, have poor education, kill each other, and generally have unenviable prospects... there are no protests. There are no demonstrations, no fist raising, no chanting, no posters, no edgy facebook profile pictures, no podium speeches.

Black folks in general seem to get less upset, LITERALLY, over rampant murder rates in their own communities, than they do over the insult of a black person being killed by someone white. Because that's what their problem is with this police thing. It's not the black men who are actually DYING. It's not the FACT black guys are being killed. It's the fact that someone from another race is doing it, and that's an INSULT.

As long as the insult is a bigger priority than the homicide, it's gonna be a pretty uphill climb.



BLM has been hijacked by more hardlined black racists in the black panther mould and a lot of brainwashed gangbangers who listen to the hype.


It's not unusual for a political movement to be hijacked by far right individuals. It happens in anti-immigration groups all over Europe.

[NumberSix]

Cops are being asked to stand up next to a mountain and chop it down with the edge of their hand.

[nathanjizzle]

one of my best friends back in the day got beat up by police officers. they had him at the station and they brought him into the stair case, threw him down the stairs then physically beat him, then they took him out of the staircase all ****ed up and all the police officers at their desk or whatever their doing just ignored that he got beat up by these cops.

lets not act like cops are being "asked to do too much in this country". chicago cops get paid average 75k a year, and alot of them are shit. Just last year or so, i got a speeding ticket. he handed me the ticket to sign, i asked him to explain to what the ticket was about before i signed it and he got angry and said "im not going to stand out here in the cold and explain it to you" isnt that your job? the cop didnt explain anything about the ticked to me and that it was a misdemeanor offense. he left and laughed while walking away. i went to court only to find find out it was a misdemeanor offense and i would need a lawyer. police are shit these days, especially in the cities, the suburbs are okay.

[poido123]

one of my best friends back in the day got beat up by police officers. they had him at the station and they brought him into the stair case, threw him down the stairs then physically beat him, then they took him out of the staircase all ****ed up and all the police officers at their desk or whatever their doing just ignored that he got beat up by these cops.

lets not act like cops are being "asked to do too much in this country". chicago cops get paid average 75k a year, and alot of them are shit. Just last year or so, i got a speeding ticket. he handed me the ticket, i asked him to explain to me what the ticket was about and he got angry and said "im not going to stand out here in the cold and explain it to you" isnt that your job? the cop didnt explain anything about the ticked to me and that it was a misdemeanor offense. he left and laughed while walking away. i went to court only to find find out it was a misdemeanor offense and i would need a lawyer. police are shit these days, especially in the cities, the suburbs are okay.


Go be a police officer. Make a difference if you think they are bad.

[nathanjizzle]

Go be a police officer. Make a difference if you think they are bad.

thats not my job though. that job is for some other young persons who has the motivation to serve and protect the public and can do the job right, not no 50 year old man who has a miserable life and takes it out on civilians.

[poido123]

thats not my job though. that job is for some other young persons who has the motivation to serve and protect the public and can do the job right, not no 50 year old man who has a miserable life and takes it out on civilians.


The problem with those I have have who criticise the police is that they emotionally generalise their experience of cops, without talking the facts.

[nathanjizzle]

The problem with those I have have who criticise the police is that they emotionally generalise their experience of cops, without talking the facts.

what facts? im talking experience. you have no experience of the police corruption in america when your living in australia. thats a fact that you cant argue against. you have no experience with what chicago police are like. so how could you possibly attempt to defend them without knowing? that makes you ignorant, not?

[97 bulls]

You're right, and my observations weren't really intended to mean you personally, even though I was addressing them to you. But I do believe in general the BLM/blacktivist contingent are far more concerned with the perceived personal slights they feel when a black person is killed by someone white, than with the much more common issue of black people dying young in general. If black people live in bad conditions, have poor education, kill each other, and generally have unenviable prospects... there are no protests. There are no demonstrations, no fist raising, no chanting, no posters, no edgy facebook profile pictures, no podium speeches.

Black folks in general seem to get less upset, LITERALLY, over rampant murder rates in their own communities, than they do over the insult of a black person being killed by someone white. Because that's what their problem is with this police thing. It's not the black men who are actually DYING. It's not the FACT black guys are being killed. It's the fact that someone from another race is doing it, and that's an INSULT.

As long as the insult is a bigger priority than the homicide, it's gonna be a pretty uphill climb.
Im sure youve heard this before. Were upset because the police are put in charge. They are paid to protect us. So yes. I do have higher expectations for police. Im sorry. But it doesnt mean that we dont mind blacks commiting crimes on blacks. We rally against that too. You just dont pay attention to it.

[poido123]

what facts? im talking experience. you have no experience of the police corruption in america when your living in australia. thats a fact that you cant argue against. you have no experience with what chicago police are like. so how could you possibly attempt to defend them without knowing? that makes you ignorant, not?


Do I need to be in the US to look up a fact within an article on google from experts who study the occurances of police violence and the citizens from city to city in America?

You live in the states, yet you can't work out that cop violence is very minimal?


Last year, around 1000 cops killed civilians of a population of 318 million people. It's a drop in the ocean dude. Stop reading TMZ

[poido123]

Im sure youve heard this before. Were upset because the police are put in charge. They are paid to protect us. So yes. I do have higher expectations for police. Im sorry. But it doesnt mean that we dont mind blacks commiting crimes on blacks. We rally against that too. You just dont pay attention to it.


What about cops killing whites at a higher number? Or does that not suit your agenda.

[nathanjizzle]

Do I need to be in the US to look up a fact within an article on google from experts who study the occurances of police violence and the citizens from city to city in America?

You live in the states, yet you can't work out that cop violence is very minimal?


Last year, around 1000 cops killed civilians of a population of 318 million people. It's a drop in the ocean dude. Stop reading TMZ

:facepalm youre talking about killings. there is a huge grey area your ignorant to. :roll:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-cops-detained-7-000-secret-interrogation-center-article-1.2404256

[poido123]

:facepalm youre talking about killings. there is a huge grey area your ignorant to. :roll:



where do you want to move the goal posts to?


Not to your liking?

[nathanjizzle]

where do you want to move the goal posts to?


Not to your liking?

how about to the standard of reasonable police practice and not just murders? you know, explaining traffic tickets and not laughing while walking away? again you dont know what youre talking about, you are in australia sharing your opinion about police corruption in america. just as ignorant as you were when you said the dallas shooter was not combat trained yet you yourself were trained for combat but couldnt tell the difference. you are just stupid. UK2K saw it right away, you believed the opposite. says alot about how much of a trained soldier you are and how much competence you have.

[poido123]

how about to the standard of reasonable police practice and not just murders? you know, explaining traffic tickets and not laughing while walking away? again you dont know what youre talking about, you are in australia sharing your opinion about police corruption in america. just as ignorant as you were when you said the dallas shooter was not combat trained yet you yourself were trained for combat but couldnt tell the difference. you are just stupid. UK2K saw it right away, you believed the opposite. says alot about how much of a trained soldier you are and how much competence you have.



I said FROM WHAT I COULD SEE IN THE FOOTAGE (which wasn't very much), I was looking for signs of fire and movement techniques which I couldn't see because I couldn't really see the footage very well.

[UK2K]

https://youtu.be/BCzTVw6_jg0

*Graphic*

White guy armed with a piece of plastic. I believe anybody will agree that given his behavior and demeanor, you would assume he had a weapon and would be willing to use it. Unarmed white man.

Ignored clear instructions. Acting stupidly. Got shot.

No protests? He didn't even have a gun. But, he was told what to do and refused to comply, so there's that.