Jordan didn't close out finals series like lebron does.

[TheWinningFam]

-In the 1991 finals it was pippen's 32 points and key paxton jumpers in game 5 that lead the bulls over the magic

-In 1992 jordan needed his bench to bail him out down 15, then frontrunning to finish, scoring 12 of his points in the finals 6 mins of game 6.

-In 1993 In what looked like was going to go to jordan's first game 7 series took a turn for the better as jordan was bailed out by a paxton miracle 3
And this was just from the FIRST EXPANSION ERA threepeat.

After coming back from a fail collusion filled baseball career to avoid the rockets jordan then..

Needed rodman's 19 rebounds 9 points and 5 assists to close out the seattle sonics series

In 96-Ordan was bailed out ONCE AGIAN by a steve kerr three

Otoh, ANYTIME Lebron was 48 mins from a series win or championship, HE ALWAYS WON AND WAS THE UNDISPUTED BEST PLAYER OF THE GAME.. ALSO IN EVERY CHAMPIONSHIP WIN EXCEPT 2013, HE SCORED A TRIPLE DOUBLE.. And even in the 2013 he still scored 37 points..
PTS/AST/REB
2012 Finals game 5 stat line - 26-11-13
2013 Finals game 7 stat line - 37-4-12
2016 Finals game 7 stat line - 27-11-11

[Gileraracer]

Jordan never needed a game 7 or a suspension of the opponents best player to win.

[TheWinningFam]

Jordan never needed a game 7 or a suspension of the opponents best player to win.
-Ordan would have needed a game 7 to put away the suns had it not been for a miracle 3 by paxton
-Lebron punked green got his bitchass suspended. then dropped 41 on him AGIAN the next game it doesn't get more alpha than that..

[FreezingTsmoove]

-Ordan would have needed a game 7 to put away the suns had it not been for a miracle 3 by paxton
-Lebron punked green got his bitchass suspended. then dropped 41 on him AGIAN the next game it doesn't get more alpha than that..

Like Lebron would have been bounced in 6 if it wasnt for Ray Allen

Its a team game you 12 yr old

[Gileraracer]

-Ordan would have needed a game 7 to put away the suns had it not been for a miracle 3 by paxton
-Lebron punked green got his bitchass suspended. then dropped 41 on him AGIAN the next game it doesn't get more alpha than that..

Lebron knows the feeling when you need a miracle 3 :roll:

[TheWinningFam]

Lebron knows the feeling when you need a miracle 3 :roll:
-Jordans miracle 3 came with only 3 seconds left to go in the game, if paxton misses its going 7 games
-Lebron's three from ray allen came with almost 10 seconds left in the game, if allen where to miss it, the paint was already cleared out and bosh would have likely been there for the rebound for ANOTHER opprutunity..

Thats what seperates the two lebron made a clutch 3 SECONDs before ray allen's 3 without that the game would have been over..

[3ball]

Thats what seperates the two lebron made a clutch 3 SECONDs before ray allen's 3 without that the game would have been over..


Actually, the difference is that Jordan scored every single point for the Bulls in the 4th quarter, before feinting the defense and getting his hockey-hockey assist to Paxson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE3aiztuECY&t=3m51s

[TheWinningFam]

Actually, the difference is that Jordan scored every single point for the Bulls in the 4th quarter, before feinting the defense and getting his hockey-hockey assist to Paxson.
Lebron hit a clutch 3 seconds earlier to the ray allen 3, this was way more clutch considering hitting a 3 is harder than midrange 2s and layups

In that situation jordan unable to consistently hit from beyond the arc would have bricked his way to tim duncan's fifth championship

Also jordan was in the backcourt and was barely involved in the paxton play.

[Dragonyeuw]

Oh good, another Brontard alt....

Jordan didn't underperform in the first 4-5 games of the finals requiring an all-out effort to come back.

"-Jordans miracle 3 came with only 3 seconds left to go in the game, if paxton misses its going 7 games
-Lebron's three from ray allen came with almost 10 seconds left in the game, if allen where to miss it, the paint was already cleared out and bosh would have likely been there for the rebound for ANOTHER opprutunity.."

If Paxson misses, at worst it goes to game 7.

If Allen misses, it's nothing but baseless speculation that another similar opportunity presents itself in the same way, or that Allen even winds up with the ball again.

[Gileraracer]

Thank god no one except some retarded Lebron stans think Lebron is better than Jordan.

[3ball]

In that situation jordan unable to consistently hit from beyond the arc would have bricked his way to tim duncan's fifth championship


Lebron is a career 32% three-point shooter in the playoffs, which is less than Jordan's.

Also, his overall playoff efficiency is lower than Jordan's across the board (ts, fg, ortg)

Finally, Lebron missed over 70% of his jumpshots in 3 separate Finals (2007, 2015, 2016) - that's probably a record.. Lebron's jumpshot is horrible compared to Jordan's because Jordan had the GOAT midrange jumpshot.. He's the only goat-level athlete EVER with a goat jumpshot.






Lebron hit a clutch 3 seconds earlier to the ray allen 3, this was way more clutch considering hitting a 3 is harder than midrange 2s and layups



In Jordan's first meeting with Duncan/Popovich, he MADE his walk-off attempt FROM THE EXACT SAME SPOT as Lebron's miss to send the game into overtime:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif



After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated overtime, including 2 dunks over Duncan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif



In his 2nd meeting against Duncan, MJ dominated Duncan even more thoroughly:


https://media.giphy.com/media/TbKAH5Pl5N91S/giphy.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2015/cyFnUr.gif

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It's obvious that Jordan only ever DOMINATED Duncan and guys like Duncan - they weren't "rivals" like they are for Kobe and Lebron.. :rolleyes.. 6/6

[TheWinningFam]

Oh good, another Brontard alt....

Jordan didn't underperform in the first 4-5 games of the finals requiring an all-out effort to come back.

"-Jordans miracle 3 came with only 3 seconds left to go in the game, if paxton misses its going 7 games
-Lebron's three from ray allen came with almost 10 seconds left in the game, if allen where to miss it, the paint was already cleared out and bosh would have likely been there for the rebound for ANOTHER opprutunity.."

If Paxson misses, at worst it goes to game 7.

If Allen misses, it's nothing but baseless speculation that another similar opportunity presents itself in the same way, or that Allen even winds up with the ball again.
Its only baseless speculation that ray allen misses that easy corner 3, after all he was the GOAT 3 point shooter at the time..

[TheWinningFam]

Lebron is a career 32% three-point shooter in the playoffs, which is less than Jordan's.

Also, his overall playoff efficiency is lower than Jordan's across the board (ts, fg, ortg)

Finally, Lebron missed over 70% of his jumpshots in 3 separate Finals (2007, 2015, 2016) - that's probably a record.. Lebron's jumpshot is horrible compared to Jordan's because Jordan had the GOAT midrange jumpshot.. He's the only goat-level athlete EVER with a goat jumpshot.





In Jordan's first meeting with Duncan/Popovich, he MADE his walk-off attempt FROM THE EXACT SAME SPOT as Lebron's miss to send the game into overtime:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/10-05-2015/rP-QUs.gif



After hitting the walk-off, MJ dominated overtime, including 2 dunks over Duncan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPq7nUqs2V8LyNO/giphy.gif



In his 2nd meeting against Duncan, MJ dominated Duncan even more thoroughly:


https://media.giphy.com/media/TbKAH5Pl5N91S/giphy.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-11-2015/cyFnUr.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/VgAj53MW9ee5O/giphy.gif


It's obvious that Jordan only ever DOMINATED Duncan and guys like Duncan - they weren't "rivals" like they are for Kobe and Lebron.. :rolleyes.. 6/6

We're talking about the finals and playoffs, not regular season accomplishments that mean nothing :facepalm


Lebron has the most KEY wins over ANY player in the modern era JORDAN INCLUDED..

Jordan never played a game 7 thanks to a miracle paxton three but to put into magnitude what jordan MAY have done in a game 7 we have to go by what he did in CHAMPIONSHIP clinching games..

-In the 1991 finals it was pippen's 32 points and key paxton jumpers in game 5 that lead the bulls over the magic

-In 1992 jordan needed his bench to bail him out down 15, then frontrunning to finish, scoring 12 of his points in the finals 6 mins of game 6.

-In 1993 In what looked like was going to go to jordan's first game 7 series took a turn for the better as jordan was bailed out by a paxton miracle 3

And this was just from the FIRST EXPANSION ERA threepeat.
Jordan needed to be bailed out by his squad in order to win his first three championships and was NEVER the player of the game in any of them.

Otoh, Lebron was the UNDISPUTED BEST player of the game in ALL of his game 7 wins AND championship wins ..

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron hit a clutch 3 seconds earlier to the ray allen 3, this was way more clutch considering hitting a 3 is harder than midrange 2s and layups

In that situation jordan unable to consistently hit from beyond the arc would have bricked his way to tim duncan's fifth championship

Also jordan was in the backcourt and was barely involved in the paxton play.

First, in the majority of clutch situations teams defend to deny mid-range jumpshots or layups first and primarily, so it's not easier by any stretch. Unless you're someone like Steph Curry, you're likely to be receiving single coverage on a clutch 3 attempt since that's the lowest percentage shot.

Second, we'll of course ignore that MJ scored the last 9 points leading up to the Paxson 3, but why brings facts into the discussion at this point?

[Dragonyeuw]

Its only baseless speculation that ray allen misses that easy corner 3, after all he was the GOAT 3 point shooter at the time..

It's not baseless speculation, because that's what happened you tard. What IS baseless speculation is your theory that if Allen misses the 3, that Bosh grabs the rebound and that it winds up in Allen's hands again for another shot. That's literally pulling scenarios out of your ass. Just accept that Ray Allen saved Lebron from being 1-4 in the finals at that point and move on.

[TheWinningFam]

First, in the majority of clutch situations teams defend to deny mid-range jumpshots or layups first and primarily, so it's not easier by any stretch. Unless you're someone like Steph Curry, you're likely to be receiving single coverage on a clutch 3 attempt since that's the lowest percentage shot.

Second, we'll of course ignore that MJ scored the last 9 points leading up to the Paxson 3, but why brings facts into the discussion at this point?

While you bring up mj's 9 points you conviently forget that lebron scored ALL but 2 of the heats 4th quater points AND hit a clutch 3 moments earlier to allen's 3 pointer.


Hitting a clutch 3 AND SCORING MOST OF the teams point with under a minute to play vs the BEST DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE is a MUCH tougher doing than scoring 9 points in 10 mins of play..

[TheWinningFam]

It's not baseless speculation, because that's what happened you tard. What IS baseless speculation is your theory that if Allen misses the 3, that Bosh grabs the rebound and that it winds up in Allen's hands again for another shot. That's literally pulling scenarios out of your ass. Just accept that Ray Allen saved Lebron from being 1-4 in the finals at that point and move on.
Lebron scored ALL of the heats points INCLUDING A CLUTCH 3 moments before ray allen's corner 3 pointer. This is a MUCH tougher doing than jordan scoring 9 points in 11 mins of play.

[Dragonyeuw]

While you bring up mj's 9 points you conviently forget that lebron scored ALL but 2 of the heats 4th quater points AND hit a clutch 3 moments earlier to allen's 3 pointer.


Hitting a clutch 3 AND SCORING MOST OF the teams point with under a minute to play vs the BEST DEFENDER IN THE LEAGUE is a MUCH tougher doing than scoring 9 points in 10 mins of play..

I didn't ignore anything, you made the point about MJ's 3 as if his scoring didn't put them in position for Paxson to hit the 3. I didn't ignore anything regarding Lebron's game 7 performance. I'm not the one trying to piss all over it like you seem to be doing with MJ.

But you still continue to ignore the fact that Lebron in half of his finals underperforms to start the series, leading to him having to comeback for a game 7. So yes, Lebron is a better game 7 performer by default, because MJ never let it get that far even if his teammates had to carry him for a game or stretch. If Lebron started the finals like he's finished them a few times, or not outright choke in the middle of his prime like he did in 2011 and be the main reason his team lost, he'd have more wins than losses. And to be clear, I'm past Lebron's crap performance in 2011 and I feel that he's vindicated himself, but if you want to nitpick...Point me to a scenario where MJ's poor performance was chiefly responsible for his team losing a series they were favored to win.

[3ball]

Lebron has the most KEY wins over ANY player in the modern era JORDAN INCLUDED..


Jordan's postseason dominance is GOAT and exceeds Lebron's, which is why he is twice as successful in the postseason (twice the rings and fmvps)





Jordan never played a game 7 thanks to a miracle paxton three


The Bulls didn't play a Game 7 and won the 1993 Finals because Jordan set the Finals record with 41/9/6 on 50%, which included the goat 3-game stretch of 47/10/6.

[3ball]

I didn't ignore anything, you made the point about MJ's 3 as if his scoring didn't put them in position for Paxson to hit the 3. I didn't ignore anything regarding Lebron's game 7 performance. I'm not the one trying to piss all over it like you seem to be doing with MJ.

But you still continue to ignore the fact that Lebron in half of his finals underperforms to start the series, leading to him having to comeback for a game 7. So yes, Lebron is a better game 7 performer by default, because MJ never let it get that far even if his teammates had to carry him for a game or stretch. If Lebron started the finals like he's finished them a few times, or not outright choke in the middle of his prime like he did in 2011 and be the main reason his team lost, he'd have more wins than losses. Point me to a scenario where MJ's poor performance was chiefly responsible for his team losing a series they were favored to win.


take this L winningfam

[TheWinningFam]

I didn't ignore anything, you made the point about MJ's 3 as if his scoring didn't put them in position for Paxson to hit the 3. I didn't ignore anything regarding Lebron's game 7 performance. I'm not the one trying to piss all over his game 7 performance like you seem to be doing with MJ.

But you still continue to ignore the fact that Lebron in half of his finals underperforms to start the series, leading to him having to comeback for a game 7. So yes, Lebron is a better game 7 performer by default, because MJ never let it get that far even if his teammates had to carry him for a game or stretch. If Lebron started the finals like he's finished them a few times, or not outright choke in the middle of his prime like he did in 2011, he'd have more wins than losses.

Lebron didn't perform aswell to start the finals as jordan because he had to do more with less.

Opposing teams couldn't key in on jordan because he had a GOAT supporting cast with you fresh players in pippen, paxton kerr and rodman all of which could KILL you if you left them open...

Otoh, Lebron in his first repeat relied on the spacing from veterans and past their prime players in Wade bosh miller Richard jefferson etc etc.

Lebron never had a wingman under the age of 25 who was the second best player on the court untill he had Kyrie

Otoh Jordan had a young pippen who was a goat wingman..

[TheWinningFam]

Jordan's postseason dominance is GOAT and exceeds Lebron's, which is why he is twice as successful in the postseason (twice the rings and fmvps)



The Bulls didn't play a Game 7 and won the 1993 Finals because Jordan set the Finals record with 41/9/6 on 50%, which included the goat 3-game stretch of 47/10/6.

1. Jordan relied on others to finish series because he couldn't

2.Jordan's inflated stat line was simply due to the fact of him having a GOAT supporting cast, being a system player that couldn't do much outside of the triangle, and teams not being able to key in on him without paxton/pippen killing them.

[TheWinningFam]

I didn't ignore anything, you made the point about MJ's 3 as if his scoring didn't put them in position for Paxson to hit the 3. I didn't ignore anything regarding Lebron's game 7 performance. I'm not the one trying to piss all over it like you seem to be doing with MJ.

But you still continue to ignore the fact that Lebron in half of his finals underperforms to start the series, leading to him having to comeback for a game 7. So yes, Lebron is a better game 7 performer by default, because MJ never let it get that far even if his teammates had to carry him for a game or stretch. If Lebron started the finals like he's finished them a few times, or not outright choke in the middle of his prime like he did in 2011 and be the main reason his team lost, he'd have more wins than losses. And to be clear, I'm past Lebron's crap performance in 2011 and I feel that he's vindicated himself, but if you want to nitpick...Point me to a scenario where MJ's poor performance was chiefly responsible for his team losing a series they were favored to win.
Lebron only lost the 11 finals because idiot spolestra decided to plug him into a system instead of forming the system around HIM (HE EVEN ADMITTED TO THIS IN A SPORT ILLUSTRATED ARTICLE.) Once the system was molded around him, they skated to back to back titles eventually falling to the spurs when his supporting cast comepletely failed him.
The bottom line is when lebron has had a system formed around him, and his supporting cast didn't play like ABSOLUTE S.HIT he ALWAYS won...

OTOH, JORDAN NEEDED TO BE PLUGGED into the TRIANGLE offense AND needed the GOAT wingman pippen AND a GOAT supporting cast just to win a first round series...


Its not a coincidence that ALL of jordans championship supporting casts rank ABOVE lebron's... Lebron has ALWAYS had to do more with less than ordan..

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron didn't perform aswell to start the finals as jordan because he had to do more with less.

Opposing teams couldn't key in on jordan because he had a GOAT supporting cast with you fresh players in pippen, paxton kerr and rodman all of which could KILL you if you left them open...

Otoh, Lebron in his first repeat relied on the spacing from veterans and past their prime players in Wade bosh miller Richard jefferson etc etc.

Lebron never had a wingman under the age of 28 who was the second best player on the court untill he had Kyrie

Otoh Jordan had a young pippen who was a goat wingman..

- 2011 Wade was better than 3peat Pippen and in his prime. The Heat more than likely win the title if Lebron doesn't have a near 10ppg drop in the finals. Ray Allen even at 38 was more deadly and potent than Kerr and Paxson, who were limited roleplayers who fed off open looks created by MJ. Kukoc was at best above average in the pros and soft as charmin defensively.

- GOAT supporting cast my ass. Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc production all dipped from the regular season to the playoffs. Pippen as a second option averaged like 17ppg on sub 40% shooting( of course someone will mention his defense as a counter to the anemic offensive support), which meant when it really counted the Bulls needes MJ's increased scoring from the regular season to the playoffs to 3peat again.

[Dragonyeuw]

1. Jordan relied on others to finish series because he couldn't

2.Jordan's inflated stat line was simply due to the fact of him having a GOAT supporting cast, being a system player that couldn't do much outside of the triangle, and teams not being able to key in on him without paxton/pippen killing them.

1. And those roleplayers relied on MJ's brilliance to put them in position to have the confidence to perform well in a key game if MJ happened to be off. That's the difference between the 93 Bulls winning the title, and the 94 Bulls not winning it. What happened in game 6 on the road in 98? MJ 45 points, and the game winning shot. Pippen? 8 points, injured back. Kukoc, 15 points. Kerr, 0 points. Rodman, 8 rebounds. That's not GOAT support. Fortunately not a problem when you have the GOAT on your team.

2. I'm not bothering to reply to this stupidity, though I should apply that across the board. Jordan a system player :roll:

[TheWinningFam]

- 2011 Wade was better than 3peat Pippen and in his prime. The Heat more than likely win the title if Lebron doesn't have a near 10ppg drop in the finals. Ray Allen even at 38 was more deadly and potent than Kerr and Paxson, who were limited roleplayers who fed off open looks created by MJ. Kukoc was at best above average in the pros and soft as charmin defensively.

- GOAT supporting cast my ass. Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc production all dipped from the regular season to the playoffs. Pippen as a second option averaged like 17ppg on sub 40% shooting( of course someone will mention his defense as a counter to the anemic offensive support), which meant when it really counted the Bulls needes MJ's increased scoring from the regular season to the playoffs to 3peat again.

1. Ray allen fed off of open looks in the same way that paxton and kerr did.

2. 17 ppg with OUTSTANDING defense is GOAT level wingman performance
Jordan was able to score more simply because of the triangle and the fact that opposing defenses COULD NOT double jordan as it would lead to easy points for pippen kerr or paxton..

Otoh, Lebron has faced 2 GOAT level defenders in the finals in Iguadala and kawhi leonard..These 2 defenders are arguably better than ANYONE ordan faced in the finals defensively wise.(Besides payton.) ALONG WITH the modern era defenses, which is MUCH tougher schematically wise than in the 90s where zone defense was prohibited.

[TheWinningFam]

1. And those roleplayers relied on MJ's brilliance to put them in position to have the confidence to perform well in a key game if MJ happened to be off. That's the difference between the 93 Bulls winning the title, and the 94 Bulls not winning it. What happened in game 6 on the road in 98? MJ 45 points, and the game winning shot. Pippen? 8 points, injured back. Kukoc, 15 points. Kerr, 0 points. Rodman, 8 rebounds. That's not GOAT support. Fortunately not a problem when you have the GOAT on your team.

2. I'm not bothering to reply to this stupidity, though I should apply that across the board. Jordan a system player :roll:

1.Jordan only has 1 game closing series where he was the UNANOMOUS best player on the floor meanwhile lebron has done that in every series clinching game he's been in.

2. Are you saying its just a coincidence that jordan was 1-9 and losing in the first round every year without the triangle,pippen and the GOAT phil?

otoh, Lebron was going to the finals with MIKE BROWN,ERIC SPOLESTRA AND TYRONN LUE practically Coaching no names..

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron only lost the 11 finals because idiot spolestra decided to plug him into a system instead of forming the system around HIM (HE EVEN ADMITTED TO THIS IN A SPORT ILLUSTRATED ARTICLE.) Once the system was molded around him, they skated to back to back titles eventually falling to the spurs when his supporting cast comepletely failed him.


Oh ok, so basically Lebron-ball on the Heat forced star players to adapt to him, watch their stats and reputations crater, while MJ's game allowed Pippen to flourish. Look at Pippen's first 3peat stats compared to his 94 and 95 stats. Near identical, because MJ's game didn't hamper Pip to the degree Wade and Bosh's games were subjugated in order for Bron to thrive and the Heat to win.

[Dragonyeuw]

1. Ray allen fed off of open looks in the same way that paxton and kerr did.

2. 17 ppg with OUTSTANDING defense is GOAT level wingman performance
Jordan was able to score more simply because of the triangle and the fact that opposing defenses COULD NOT double jordan as it would lead to easy points for pippen kerr or paxton..

Otoh, Lebron has faced 2 GOAT level defenders in the finals in Iguadala and kawhi leonard..These 2 defenders are arguably better than ANYONE ordan faced in the finals defensively wise.(Besides payton.) ALONG WITH the modern era defenses, which is MUCH tougher schematically wise than in the 90s where zone defense was prohibited.

1. Ray was still able to playmake and create far more than Kerr and Paxson could.

2. No. 30ppg with outstanding defense is GOAT level wing performance, which describes MJ. 17ppg on 40% shooting isn't when you're the second offensive option, regardless of defensive contributions.

3. OTOH, Bron in 2013 was having trouble getting around fatass Boris Diaw from games 1 to 5. And then, there's 2011, when he couldn't beat past prime Shawn Marion who got lid up by 40 year Wizards MJ, while being embarrassed by Jason Terry. We can do this all day.

[Dragonyeuw]

1.Jordan only has 1 game closing series where he was the UNANOMOUS best player on the floor meanwhile lebron has done that in every series clinching game he's been in.

2. Are you saying its just a coincidence that jordan was 1-9 and losing in the first round every year without the triangle,pippen and the GOAT phil?

otoh, Lebron was going to the finals with MIKE BROWN,ERIC SPOLESTRA AND TYRONN LUE practically Coaching no names..

Are you saying you're ignoring that MJ was a one man show in a conference far superior to the one that Lebron has been moonwalking through his entire career? Is Gilbert Arenas Wizards or Kirk Himrich's Bulls supposed to the equal of the Bucks, 86 Celtics, or back to back champion Pistons, a team that MJ nearly beat in 1990 if not for Pippen folding under the pressure in game 7 having a migraine?

[Spurs m8]

Can someone disable this bot already?

[TheWinningFam]

Are you saying you're ignoring that MJ was a one man show in a conference far superior to the one that Lebron has been moonwalking through his entire career? Is Gilbert Arenas Wizards or Kirk Himrich's Bulls supposed to the equal of the Bucks, 86 Celtics, or back to back champion Pistons, a team that MJ nearly beat in 1990 if not for Pippen folding under the pressure in game 7 having a migraine?

Lebron went to the finals with mo williams as his second option and had to beat a GOAT pistons team to do it :facepalm

Lebron had to go 7 games with GOAT celtics and pacers teams.. and even then was THE undisputed best player in the league performing beautifully in those game 7s

Lebrons 2016 championship run he had to go through the detroit pistons (A team that easily beat the GOAT regular season warriors in the regular season, The Atlanta hawks, The SECOND BEST RATED DEFENSE in the league behind the spurs, AND the Toronto raptors who had a TOP 3 backcourt AND a top 5 bigman in biyombo.. AND HE ONLY TOOK 14 GAMES to do it..

Jordan had an opprutunity to beat a GOAT team in the back to back pistons but COULDN'T do it.

[Cap'n Obvious]

-Ordant
You misspelled Jordan.

[andgar923]

You misspelled GOAT.

Fixed that for you

[diamenz]

op is a twenty year old foreigner.

#credibilityoutthewindow

[Dragonyeuw]

Lebron went to the finals with mo williams as his second option and had to beat a GOAT pistons team to do it :facepalm

Lebron had to go 7 games with GOAT celtics and pacers teams.. and even then was THE undisputed best player in the league performing beautifully in those game 7s

Lebrons 2016 championship run he had to go through the detroit pistons (A team that easily beat the GOAT regular season warriors in the regular season, The Atlanta hawks, The SECOND BEST RATED DEFENSE in the league behind the spurs, AND the Toronto raptors who had a TOP 3 backcourt AND a top 5 bigman in biyombo.. AND HE ONLY TOOK 14 GAMES to do it..

Jordan had an opprutunity to beat a GOAT team in the back to back pistons but COULDN'T do it.

The Pistons in 2007 weren't even close to the 2004 team. Nice try.

The rest of your post is BS. You mention that Detroit beat the Warriors in the regular season, so this is supposed to indicate what when the Warriors also got blown off the floor by the 17-65 Lakers?

[TheWinningFam]

The Pistons in 2007 weren't even close to the 2004 team. Nice try.

The rest of your post is BS. You mention that Detroit beat the Warriors in the regular season, so this is supposed to indicate what when the Warriors also got blown off the floor by the 17-65 Lakers?
Nice strawman

Comparing the 17-65 lakers to a team that would have been a 5 seed if they were in the west :facepalm

The point is those teams he faced were HIGHLY underrated and better than the road ordan went down to get his championships..

[Da_Realist]

We're talking about the finals and playoffs, not regular season accomplishments that mean nothing :facepalm


Lebron has the most KEY wins over ANY player in the modern era JORDAN INCLUDED..

Jordan never played a game 7 thanks to a miracle paxton three but to put into magnitude what jordan MAY have done in a game 7 we have to go by what he did in CHAMPIONSHIP clinching games..

Stupid


-In the 1991 finals it was pippen's 32 points and key paxton jumpers in game 5 that lead the bulls over the magic

Stupid. MJ dominated the whole series. How does MJ close? Look at the close of the 4th quarter and overtime of Game 3 after Pippen fouled out.


-In 1992 jordan needed his bench to bail him out down 15, then frontrunning to finish, scoring 12 of his points in the finals 6 mins of game 6.

12 points in the last 6 mins. Isn't this the definition of closing? Stupid.


-In 1993 In what looked like was going to go to jordan's first game 7 series took a turn for the better as jordan was bailed out by a paxton miracle 3

Stupid. MJ scored all the points in the 4th while the rest of the team was coughing up a lung. Until Paxson's shot. This includes the coast to coast layup that put the Bulls in position for Paxson's shot. Stupid.

[NBAGOAT]

Lebron went to the finals with mo williams as his second option and had to beat a GOAT pistons team to do it :facepalm

Lebron had to go 7 games with GOAT celtics and pacers teams.. and even then was THE undisputed best player in the league performing beautifully in those game 7s

Lebrons 2016 championship run he had to go through the detroit pistons (A team that easily beat the GOAT regular season warriors in the regular season, The Atlanta hawks, The SECOND BEST RATED DEFENSE in the league behind the spurs, AND the Toronto raptors who had a TOP 3 backcourt AND a top 5 bigman in biyombo.. AND HE ONLY TOOK 14 GAMES to do it..

Jordan had an opprutunity to beat a GOAT team in the back to back pistons but COULDN'T do it.

Mo Williams wasn't even on that team in 07(which should actually help your case). You can do better Dray n Klay. I think Pistons were still pretty good that year, not 04 level but good. Could've forced SA to 6 maybe.

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Can someone disable this bot already?



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I suggested a rope. His life must be a misery

[Dragonyeuw]

Nice strawman

Comparing the 17-65 lakers to a team that would have been a 5 seed if they were in the west :facepalm



What strawman? You made a point that Detroit beat the Warriors as demonstrative of their prowess as a team, right? if not, why else would you bring it up? You made a point earlier about the irrelevance of certain things happening in the regular season, yet you want to tout a regular season win when it serves your purposes. Again, the Lakers beat the Warriors too, blew em off the floor in fact. Doesn't mean anything in the greater context, and certainly doesn't mean anything in terms of it making Detroit some serious challenge to the Cavs. Sorry if that's inconvenient to whatever point you were trying to make.

Also, you're a moron. The west is considerably better than the east, so why the **** would they be a higher seed in a universally regarded tougher conference?You're simply taking their record of 44-38 and plugging it in, as if their record wouldn't be impacted by greater competition. There's a difference between feasting on eastern conference drags, and having to face Golden state, Thunder, Clippers, Spurs, 3-4 times a year.

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- 2011 Wade was better than 3peat Pippen and in his prime. The Heat more than likely win the title if Lebron doesn't have a near 10ppg drop in the finals. Ray Allen even at 38 was more deadly and potent than Kerr and Paxson, who were limited roleplayers who fed off open looks created by MJ. Kukoc was at best above average in the pros and soft as charmin defensively.
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Highly doubt Wade keeps Magic in check if forced to cover him like Pippen did in the 91 Finals for the last 4 games of the series.

[Dragonyeuw]

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Highly doubt Wade keeps Magic in check if forced to cover him like Pippen did in the 91 Finals for the last 4 games of the series.

So because Pippen had the physical tools to defend Magic, this is supposed to mean he was better than 2011 Wade? How do you see 91 Pippen doing in place of Wade against Dallas, better or worse?