Jordan: How We'd Talk About Him If Social Media Was Around In the Late 90's

[Noyze]

With this addition of more information and much faster communication let's also assume we have analytics as well. These are some of the Threads we'd see on Ish or places like it.

72-10 Has An Asterisk (Expansion Teams)
96 Finals Performance Was One of the Worst By An MVP
Stern Covered Up His Poster Boy's Gambling's Issues (Alot Worst then Advertised. TMZ Has More Info)
Jordan "Republicans Wear Sneakers Too." True Role Model...
Bulls Fortunate Pistons, Lakers & Celtics got old. He Only Had To Face New Up and Coming Teams
Jordan Was Faking The Flu To Make Himself Look Heroic.


People would have used this as ammo to discredit him. So remember when we analyze and dissect every little thing LeBron does. Let's assume LBJ doesn't exists, alot of our free time would be spent on Jordan unlike it was in the 90's.

[jstern]

Considering Jordan's personality, revenge games. How obsessive he was in that sense, we would see a lot more revenge games, with Jordan constantly proving why he's the most competitive guy to ever play any sports.

Remember when Jordan was playing with the Wizards, and writers started going on about how he's not the same Jordan as old? And then Jordan old man Jordan went out the next night and scored 51 points? We would probably see more of that.

Believe it or not, media was 24/7 also back then. It wasn't as immature with your average teenager constantly sharing their immature opinions, but the media never slept. A few weeks ago I heard a teenager type commenting that back in the 90s, it took days for the news of Jordan's come back to circulate around the country. How ****ing ignorant. I understand that there was no Twitter back then, but dumb people who were not alive back then really can't understand what that means. Their imagination just goes into an ignorant level.

[Hey Yo]

Would NIKE still run the slogan "Like Mike, I wanna be like Mike" if the TMZ media existed and would provide pics and cell phone camera footage of MJ gambling at ____ till 4am? Possible woman excursions on video?

Then finding out he punched Kerr and Will Perdue at practice.

MJ would have been raked over the coals by haters on social media. He would be tracked by every step looking for more ammo to sling about his bad characteristics to the world.

[SamuraiSWISH]

He gambled a lot ... Which is legal.

And that's about it.

Being addicted to competition, kind of went with his mentality. Thus why his homicidal competitiveness made him the perfect storm as GOAT basketball player.

No emo high school mirror selfies either.

[TheWinningFam]

He gambled a lot ... Which is legal.

And that's about it.

Being addicted to competition, kind of went with his mentality. Thus why his homicidal competitiveness made him the perfect storm as GOAT basketball player.

No emo high school mirror selfies either.
Nba players aren't allowed to thats the point and he got his father killed over it. :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

Nba players aren't allowed to thats the point and he got his father killed over it. :facepalm
NBA players are allowed to gamble. They go to casinos all the time. Cards, personal bets, etc. They can't gamble on their own sport or league, moron. This isn't a Pete Rose situation.

[sdot_thadon]

His image would be a bit less clean than we remember it now. He'd have constant and instant criticism ten times more than what he faced in his era. More of his blunders would be expossd as well and I'm certain the whole shadow over his 1st retirement wouldn't be such a speculative ghost story. That said his top notch pr machine would adjust and project his image as best they can.

[FKAri]

His image would be a bit less clean than we remember it now. He'd have constant and instant criticism ten times more than what he faced in his era. More of his blunders would be expossd as well and I'm certain the whole shadow over his 1st retirement wouldn't be such a speculative ghost story. That said his top notch pr machine would adjust and project his image as best they can.
I don't think his image would've been less clean. I think he would've kept better care of his image in this era. Already in the 90s Jordan was aware enough of globalization to have a very different public persona from his private one.

[TheWinningFam]

NBA players are allowed to gamble. They go to casinos all the time. Cards, personal bets, etc. They can't gamble on their own sport or league, moron. This isn't a Pete Rose situation.

Thats why he had to quit to avoid getting suspended idiot :facepalm

[Noyze]

Thats why he had to quit to avoid getting suspended idiot :facepalm

Exactly

I just think we would have got so much more info about what happen there. Jordan probably would have had to answer for it today, as it's been all but confirmed Stern forced him to take a break as a result of the gambling issues.

[AirBonner]

His image would be a bit less clean than we remember it now. He'd have constant and instant criticism ten times more than what he faced in his era. More of his blunders would be expossd as well and I'm certain the whole shadow over his 1st retirement wouldn't be such a speculative ghost story. That said his top notch pr machine would adjust and project his image as best they can.
This. Madonna would of reked him on twitter back then :oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

A lot of the things that you think we didn't know about back then; we knew about it. The 1990s isn't ancient history.

[Goofsta Knicca]

Forever GOAT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

[Kblaze8855]

Jordan had haters on the internet 20-30 years ago but less people knew how to access such things so it isn't well known. Here are some old posts on MJ:




Marc Jan 30 1985, 3:47 pm:

Since San Diego basketball fans are now in the dark with respect to
goings-on in the NBA, could someone please tell me how in the world
Jordan is piling up such outrageous stats? All I've seen is box
scores and the occaisional slam-dunk highlight on ESPN, but I don't
even know, for instance, if he's playing point guard, shooting guard,
mostly around the basket, scoring on outside jumpers, or what. From
the few highlights I've seen, it seems he has carte blanche to go
wherever on the court he feels. But what's he got that makes him
special? I don't remember him having a particularly good outside
shot at UNC, and there are plenty of 6'6" players who can jump in
the NBA.








v127nq2e Mar 29 1990, 2:05 pm:

Well folks it looks as if Mr. Jordan is going to win yet
another scoring title. After last nights performance 3/28! WOW
can you believe 69 points, that's his career high! There is hardly
a doubt that he is one of the best the game has known. I know
there are those of you who are going to say that he does all the
work himself because he has no one to back him up-? SORRY
unfortunately these people fail to recognize Scottie pippen as one
of the better forwards in the league,(he was on the all-star team),
and let's not forget Sky king, who just happens to be one of the
best rookies this season. There are others Grant,Cartwright... but
need I get in to them-? I have made my point, and I hope people
will stop calling Chicago a one player team just because they have
one of the greatest players of all time.


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Gautam Mar 29 1990, 5:20 pm:

Scottie Pippen and John Paxson seem to be the only Bulls'
players who don't look towards Jordan before taking a shot themselves !
It seems to me that Jordan intimidates his teammates more than he
intimidates his opponents. That is prob the biggest difference
between Magic and Jordan ! Why is it that guys like Orlando
Woolridge, James Edwards .. . start playing well when they play
for the Lakers/Pistons/Celts while decent/good prospects rarely pan
out for the Bulls ? [Ed Lor recently posted an excellent article on
this issue]. The Bulls lack a player who can get the
whole team involved in the game.


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cs225jd Mar 30 1990, 3:40 am:
The Bulls' supporting cast is one of the most underrated 'teams' in the NBA.
You can count the small forwards better than Pippen on one hand.
Everybody thought Hodges was great at the Shootout, but now he's a Bull and
he's not Jordan so he must suck. Paxson's the only person on the FG% leader
board under 6'8" or so - translation, he's making actual shots at 54%.
Medical Bill has one of the best defensive FG% in the league. Stacey King
should take second place for Rookie of the Year behind Hardaway. He's
made All-Star centers look absolutely incompetent.

Now, if the Bulls should (no!) actually WIN the whole thing, these same
experts will talk about how much better the Bulls have become and how
Michael IS a great team player. It would be much more intellectually
honest if they would just shut up now.



Scott May 16 1990, 2:59 pm:

Jesus Christ. Magic finally lost a series despite doing everything
humanly possible, so obviously he's not Jordan's equivalent. Give me
a break! Did all you guys enroll in Mehrdad's School of Faulty
Thinking over the summer or what? Ten years from now you'll be on the
other side of the debate, telling everyone how Michael can't compare
to the latest wonderboy.


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Russ May 16 1990, 5:51 pm:

You obviously don't get it Scott, why is it Jordan's fault that he has no
rings(ie. he scores too much and hurts his team) but it's not Magics fault t
when the Lakers lose and he does the same thing. When Jordan averages 35
a game you guys(magic fans) say he hurts his team and would help them more
if he played like Magic. When Magic is forced to play the same way and loses
he's the hero not the goat. When Jordan does it it's his fault. For the
first time in his career, Magic wasn't dealt a winning hand prior to a series
and he couldn't win. Jordan has had a subpar hand his whole career but has
bluffed his way to alot of wins by carrying his team. For the first time in
his career Earvin had to compete on even terms and he lost. By the way, 10
years from now Michael will be a bit older than Earvin is now so I don't
think that analogy works..


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Nor A'Azizam May 17 1990, 3:05 am:
Magic posted Jordan's number in the last two games, but came
up short in both games. But the only reason Magic had to put up more
shots (points) was that his supporting cast was not doing their jobs
in the series. Jordan has had to content with his inferior supporting
cast for a very long time, and it is about time that people find out
that the greats like Magic Johnson is what he is today largely for his
teammates, ie Jabbar, and Worthy. Without the two HoF, Magic is Just
another Gretzky in LA uniform.








Here is one from 1996:


Michael Jordan is not the best player to play game. In fact he was always
an overatted player. The only reason his PPG was so high was he is such
a BALLHOG. He is always taking contested double team shots insted of
passing to open teammates. Sure he hit a couple of great shots to win
series(Cleavland), but if he wasn't such a BALLHOG he wouldn't had to
take the game winning shots. This year just proves my point, his first
game back he takes 30 SHOTS???? Come on, he isn't that good, if anyone
should have been taking 30 shots that game, it should have been Reggie
Miller. He may have won three championships, but the 3 teams the Bulls
beat weren't that great. The Lakers were at the end of their Showtime
era and without Kareem and with Vlade when they were beet by the bulls.
The Portland Trail Blazers were show-stoppers either, the best team they
may have beaten was Phoenix. I would have liked to seen them beat some of
the Celtic, Laker, and Piston teams of the 1980's in finals.

[Elosha]

Up until that time, Jordan faced more media exposure - good and bad - than any other athlete in history. The absolute crush of his fame was overwhelming at times. Certainly today's Twitter generation would mean even more instantaneous, snap judgments - good or bad - which I'm sure Jordan would find annoying but hardly incapacitating.

He would probably be the most dominant, transcendent individual player in any generation, just like he was in the 80's and 90's. Assuming he had a solid team around him, the overall narrative if Jordan played today would likely be how incredible a player he is, and watching his career progress with many MVP's and championships.

[Im Still Ballin]

Up until that time, Jordan faced more media exposure - good and bad - than any other athlete in history. The absolute crush of his fame was overwhelming at times. Certainly today's Twitter generation would mean even more instantaneous, snap judgments - good or bad - which I'm sure Jordan would find annoying but hardly incapacitating.

He would probably be the most dominant, transcendent individual player in any generation, just like he was in the 80's and 90's. Assuming he had a solid team around him, the overall narrative if Jordan played today would likely be how incredible a player he is, and watching his career progress with many MVP's and championships.
No you're wrong

It's LeBron and it quite frankly isn't close

[jlip]

A lot of the things that you think we didn't know about back then; we knew about it. The 1990s isn't ancient history.

In terms of how media is covered and how information is disseminated , the 1990's is ancient history. Truthfully, much of the negative stuff that was known about MJ in, say 1996, was known almost exclusively by die hard sports fans. Casual fans of the sport or just the general public who only watched the Finals just knew that he was a popular, GOAT level basketball player who retired, came back after playing baseball, and sold expensive shoes.

I have female friends and relatives today, who don't watch basketball at all, but know who scrubs like Chris Humphreys is because of reality shows and social media. Earlier this year, one of my basketball illiterate female friends told me that she didn't know who Lamar Odom was until he married a Kardashian (sp.). Then she called me during this Finals and asked me to explain to her what Ayesha Curry was talking about after game 6. She didn't hear about this from watching the game or Sportscenter. She got wind of everything from Twitter and her Facebook newsfeed.

For most of the 90's the world had to wait for a professional reporter, columnist, or journalist to report a story to the masses, and you only had tv, radio, and newspapers. Now a tweet can be sent out in 2 seconds by someone, and within a minute, some random Joe in the middle of nowhere can make it viral. Because of social media, insignificant soundbites and trivial things done by obscure players can be watched and played over and over by people who don't even watch the sport by looking at their phones.

[TheWinningFam]

Jordan would be a slightly more efficient demarr derozan in today's nba

[Elosha]

No you're wrong

It's LeBron and it quite frankly isn't close

Ok... thanks for that detailed analysis.

[KiiiiNG]

He'd get scrutinized at no end for getting his father killed

Had that happened in the social media age he would've never returned to the sport, the scrutiny and shame would be too much.

[Elosha]

Jordan would be a slightly more efficient demarr derozan in today's nba

Are you kind of the anti-3-ball? You seem so heavily and personally invested in insulting Jordan. It's getting a bit sad. I mean I thought the MJ killed his father conspirator were amusing. BUT now I hear from you that Jordan retired so he wouldn't have to face Hakeem and the Rockets. Yes because everyone in 1993 was so fearful of the Rockets and just knew there was no way Jordan could ever win a fourth straight and defeat the undefeatable Hakeem. :rolleyes:

[Elosha]

He'd get scrutinized at no end for getting his father killed

Had that happened in the social media age he would've never returned to the sport, the scrutiny and shame would be too much.


I know this will never stop you, so I'll just say it once. That is truly idiotic, even if only an attempt to troll.

[jstern]

Michael Jordan was a mega star. Biggest sports personality in the world most likely. A cultural icon. And you have posters here who were not alive back then speculating that he was just some basketball player that the casual knew was pretty popular. The 90s were not the 1920s. He retired because of the constant media attention and fan obsession.

The only real differencee is that back then people were more focused on real news that matter, while today immaturity has a much louder voice, and there's more non sense in terms of conversation. I think a Lebron James would be more famous in the main stream world back in the 90s. Now a day he's just a passing name to the casual who get bombarded with a million other twitter updates of vapid news. Kardashian wearing something, etc.

[Smoke117]

As we all know now...Jordan is a huge prick and douchebag...if social media was around then it would have been a lot harder for his marketing team to hide that fact.

[AirBonner]

Jordan is a coward. Retired the first time (mid contract) to avoid playing the clutch city rockets

[Ocks]

Media obsession seemed more focused and sustained back in the 90s.. Jordan, Macaulay Culkin & Michael Jackson were the biggest stars back then and none of them emerged from that decade without scars. Mass media was new back then so they were trailblazers from which stars now have learned from

Not fair to remove anyone from an era and just jump them ahead to another era.. as if everything in life isnt iterative.. we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us

[jstern]

Exactly what image do the young people think Jordan had? Was it a wholesome Danny Tanner, playing with puppies? His narrative was of ultra competitive, likes to compete, likes to gamble. His demeanor when on the court was no nonsense, focused, pissed off face when angered. When news broke out that he punched Kerr, we're people like, "OMG?" Nobody cared. Did Magic get booed when he came back because he had sex with a bunch of women? We're people booing him during the 92 All Star game? I mean what the hell, are these people confusing the 90s to the 1950s Leave it to Beaver?

[ClipperRevival]

Social media would've exposed him gambling late into the night before a playoff game. Him getting into fights in practice. Him just talking sh't to everyone. And his image would've taken a hit. But in the end, the world would've judged him on what he did on the court and everyone loves a winner and he would've still dominated on the court like no one before and he would've been popular beyond belief.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Social media would've exposed him gambling late into the night before a playoff game. Him getting into fights in practice. Him just talking sh't to everyone. And his image would've taken a hit. But in the end, the world would've judged him on what he did on the court and everyone loves a winner and he would've still dominated on the court like no one before and he would've been popular beyond belief.
People knew all that then. He was charismatic, and a cool factor as natural as gravity. People call him an asshole or a d-bag because he was a fierce competitor?

:oldlol:

This whole myth started with a scorned Sam Smith book, and a story from some bum rapper named Chamillionaire with whome he refused to take a picture with. There is more positive stories about Jordan as person around Chicagoland during his time here and how interacted with fans then there is with No Tippin Scottie Pippen.

Whom everyone I have ever known who has met him has called him the biggest jerk this side of Jay Cutler in this city.

[tpols]

People knew all that then. He was charismatic, and a cool factor as natural as gravity. People call him an asshole or a d-bag because he was a fierce competitor?

:oldlol:

This whole myth started with a scorned Sam Smith book, and a story from some bum rapper named Chamillionaire with whome he refused to take a picture with. There is more positive stories about Jordan as person around Chicagoland during his time here and how interacted with fans then there is with No Tippin Scottie Pippen.

Whom everyone I have ever known who has met him has called him the biggest jerk this side of Jay Cutler in this city.


just .. stop it, juanita. :facepalm


Jordan was not only a douche bag .. he was a borderline sociopath. Too high a level to feel empathy for others, shitting on everybody, always about HIM. The opposite of a caregiver.. the opposite of kind, generous, soft, gentle person. Your kid hero, while GOAT basketball player, was a piece of shit as a human being. The guy makes Kobe look like a saint. Stop bullshitting everybody.

[Hey Yo]

As we all know now...Jordan is a huge prick and douchebag...if social media was around then it would have been a lot harder for his marketing team to hide that fact.
"Like Mike....if I could be like Mike"

That's the slogan NIKE would have used if all knew that he was an habitual gambler at Casino's....... who once cheated against a UNC's teammates grandmother while playing Cards with her?

Known to punch teammates and be an asshole towards them?

Social media haters would have brought that up over and over and over again.

[scandisk_]

Well at least for better or for worst MJ wasn't hiding who he is. No fake-ass tough persona nor likes getting cuddled. He was an asshole and he knew it.

Today his PR team would be at work 24/7 :lol

[bdreason]

Young MJ would get a lot shit in the modern era, because plenty of people were calling him the GOAT long before he earned it.

[LeBird]

Well at least for better or for worst MJ wasn't hiding who he is. No fake-ass tough persona nor likes getting cuddled. He was an asshole and he knew it.

Today his PR team would be at work 24/7 :lol

:lol WTF are you talking about? This is someone who hid himself for the $. "Republicans buy sneakers too".

Look at how well he hid the gambling fiasco.

How much of an asshole he was to his teammates.

He turned himself into a Looney Tune FFS...GTFOH. My sides hurt from the laughing :lol

Social media would have destroyed this dude's life.

[Nikola_]

MJ type of person who could literally get away with murder

peoples be still liking him

[sfballa13]

Jordan would roast niccas every day if Twitter was around

Except instead of KD who is ugly and attacks people over their looks

The GOAT would go out and dominate the next night and leave the hater's twitter handle in a tweet with his stats after the game

There would be the Skip Bayless game and the Stephen A Smith game where Jordan personally calls them out in interviews post game and disses the farx out of them

People should read about the vetting process women had to go thru before even talking to to MJ, he had 1-2 private detectives on his staff at all times for this purpose

He would just hire damage control and make sure none of the bad shit got on the net and if it did he would shut the haters down

[diamenz]

Jordan would be a slightly more efficient demarr derozan in today's nba

we heard you the first twenty times, scrub.

[andgar923]

Jordan would roast niccas every day if Twitter was around

Except instead of KD who is ugly and attacks people over their looks

The GOAT would go out and dominate the next night and leave the hater's twitter handle in a tweet with his stats after the game

There would be the Skip Bayless game and the Stephen A Smith game where Jordan personally calls them out in interviews post game and disses the farx out of them

People should read about the vetting process women had to go thru before even talking to to MJ, he had 1-2 private detectives on his staff at all times for this purpose

He would just hire damage control and make sure none of the bad shit got on the net and if it did he would shut the haters down

this

It aint like MJ wasn't scrutinized and then shut shit down.

Actually, MJ would be MORE dangerous since it would be more fuel added to his fire.

[plowking]

this

It aint like MJ wasn't scrutinized and then shut shit down.

Actually, MJ would be MORE dangerous since it would be more fuel added to his fire.

LOL at grown men like you believing in this sort of fairytale bullshit. :oldlol:

People say Wilt fans are bad. MJ fans try and write a whole different narrative, yet we have more evidence than any Wilt fan trying to convince us of shit. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

LOL at grown men like you believing in this sort of fairytale bullshit. :oldlol:

People say Wilt fans are bad. MJ fans try and write a whole different narrative, yet we have more evidence than any Wilt fan trying to convince us of shit. :oldlol:

You idiot, that shit happened in real life.

Reporters counted the Bulls out.. he looked at each one of them in the CAvs series and told them to their face how he took care of them.

Coaches talked shit, he destroyed their team.

Players talked shit, he dropped 50 on them.

Fans talked shit, he made them shut the f*ck up.

They said he couldn't make his teammates better, Scottie became a HOFer.

They told him scorers couldn't win titles... he won 6.

The stories go on and on.

Players were told by their coaches NOT to talk trash to him.... even while he was retired... the second time.

They compared Drexler to him... we all know what happened.

Players, coaches, media, feared him... this isn't something Im making up.

This stuff isn't rewriting a narrative, this shit actually happened. Go f*ck yourself b*tch.

[Hey Yo]

This isn't about how it would affect MJ's game....it's about how it would have affected his brand, family etc..

Has he givin SI an interview since they posted his baseball picture on the cover ...telling him to quit embarrassing himself?


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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You idiot, that shit happened in real life.

Reporters counted the Bulls out.. he looked at each one of them in the CAvs series and told them to their face how he took care of them.

Coaches talked shit, he destroyed their team.

Players talked shit, he dropped 50 on them.

Fans talked shit, he made them shut the f*ck up.

They said he couldn't make his teammates better, Scottie became a HOFer.

They told him scorers couldn't win titles... he won 6.

The stories go on and on.

Players were told by their coaches NOT to talk trash to him.... even while he was retired... the second time.

They compared Drexler to him... we all know what happened.

Players, coaches, media, feared him... this isn't something Im making up.

This stuff isn't rewriting a narrative, this shit actually happened. Go f*ck yourself b*tch.

Relax cupcake...its not that serious. :oldlol:

The media would be on MJ's nuts the same way 3ball rides them on here. Mike's gambling gets exploited just as his narcissism and fierce competitiveness would. A mixed bag really, but without a doubt THE most talked about and popular athlete in sports.

[plowking]

lol andgar probably still believes in santa... lol.

lol at "they feared him"...

My god.

He a superhero bro. :oldlol:

[Elosha]

Ok, I change my mind, all you youngins have convinced me. There's no way Jordan could stand up to ... wait for it... Tweets, more tweets, and ESPN commentators. No freakin way... It's too much for any human (except the god-like Lebron) to bear, and we all know Jordan was a wilting flower who barely could stand up to the small level of attention he received in the 80's 90's 2000's, 10s, etc...

I mean - it's not like people in the 90's quickly found out about his gambling in the playoffs and tattled on him. It's not like he got publicly chastised for it, or that anyone even knew about it at the time. Right.... right?? I mean we just found out about his gambling, hitting teammates, affairs, just a few days ago. And we know, if those things would have been known during his career, it would have just destroyed his popularity and his game. He wouldn't even be able to play, much less win championships. That sensitive SOB would just sit on the bench and cry. So how on god's green earth would he be able to handle the avalanche, the insane onslaught of Twitter, Facebook, and Skip Bayless. He'd be begging Lebron to just put him out of his misery.

Yes, there's no way Jordan could handle today's negative media attention. Or maybe, just maybe, I'm wrong and you youngins are just trolling fools.

[NBAGOAT]

You idiot, that shit happened in real life.

Reporters counted the Bulls out.. he looked at each one of them in the CAvs series and told them to their face how he took care of them.

Coaches talked shit, he destroyed their team.

Players talked shit, he dropped 50 on them.

Fans talked shit, he made them shut the f*ck up.

They said he couldn't make his teammates better, Scottie became a HOFer.

They told him scorers couldn't win titles... he won 6.

The stories go on and on.

Players were told by their coaches NOT to talk trash to him.... even while he was retired... the second time.

They compared Drexler to him... we all know what happened.

Players, coaches, media, feared him... this isn't something Im making up.

This stuff isn't rewriting a narrative, this shit actually happened. Go f*ck yourself b*tch.

good lord this is starting to approach player worship, something that I almost never see even here. You're making him seem like some sort of Greek God.

[LeBird]

good lord this is starting to approach player worship, something that I almost never see even here. You're making him seem like some sort of Greek God.

Inside a Jordan jocker is a kid that thinks Space Jam was real. :lol

[jstern]

This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn

[CuterThanRubio]

[QUOTE=jstern]This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn

[diamenz]

[QUOTE=jstern]This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn

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This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn’t pick it up, it was just a random, secretly recorded game, but pretty much shows his relentless mentality that no NBA players but Jordan have at that level.

And again for the youngings, this is Jordan, common during a game.
http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-17-2016/9gwZsh.gif
What you see is what you get, he didn’t have some fake, religious, wholesome, kittens and flowers public image. From what I get from some here is that Jordan putting an angry face and cursing at someone would crumple his whole image and ruin his career, because in the 90s people I guess could only follow the game from newspapers.
Wonder what would have happened if youtube, twitter, personal phone video, etc... was available back then, not just providing what MJ "the competitor" on the live court was doing?

What about the live amateur video'S that would surface of MJ constantly in the casino's or in the golf clubhouse looking to make wagers, on youtube?

or the live video of MJ at practice scolding his teammates like Kobe was a few years ago?

Pretty sad for you to think that today's social style media wouldn't have tried to get anything on MJ that they could.


"In the final analysis, Jordan's year in baseball diversion was just that. In Steve Wulf's March 14, 1994, Sports Illustrated story about Jordan -- the one that bore the cover line "Bag It, Michael" and prompted his Airness to cut off official communication with SI for 15 years and counting
A cover to a magazine prompted him to be pissed to this day....but the constant barrage of on line social haters, not so friendly media and TMZ type looking to get any video or pics (like it would be so much easier to do today) they could get their hands on...wouldn't have shook MJ whatsoever??? Having people looking at him in a different way?

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5 losing seasons (1/3rd of his career)

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Seems like people weren't around or don't remember Jordan's public image when he played. For the first few years, his image was clean. The "Come Fly With Me" video that came out in 1988 and "Michael Jordan's Playground" in 1990 really sold that whole "he was cut from his High School team" story and Jordan had a good guy image.

Things started to change in 1991 when The Jordan Rules came out and there was controversy over how he treated his teammates. He didn't go to the White House after they won the title while the rest of the Bulls did, saying he wanted to relax and spend time with his family, but it was found out that he was playing golf and gambling big on it. One of the guys gambled with was a big-time drug dealer who got murdered.

It was during the 1991-92 season where his public image took a hit from the good guy image he had before. There was criticism that he wouldn't speak on political & social issues, refusing to back a political candidate against Jesse Helms, who was known as a racist, because "Republicans buy shoes too". Others criticized him during the 1992 Olympics because there was a stink regarding what clothes they should wear, Reebok had been sponsoring the US Olympic team, so Jordan put an American flag over it so he wouldn't be seen supporting Reebok. Then during the 1993 playoffs, some of the talk about his gambling came up again, with some guy writing a book saying that Jordan owed him over a million from gambling in golf games, and then he was seen at 4 am in Atlantic City gambling between games against the Knicks in the ECF. Jordan was upset and didn't talk to the media for awhile.

But despite not having the squeaky clean image he had earlier, he was still by far the most popular player in the game. Being the best and winning titles has a way of doing that. It's also not like today where there's a thousand "Michael Jordan is a jerk" stories on the internet, some of the stories which are just ridiculous yet people still believe them.

Then when he retired in 1993, people missed him in the game and were happy to just have him back in the game after that.

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Jordan was just alpha. This is the dude most people understood you do not dare challenge. Mutumbo teased MJ that he'll never dunk on him. Then this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKJnZNVhLYA

Here's one where a crowd member was teasing Jordan and the following happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17N7OeH5iGI

You simply do not **** with this man. I don't give a shit if Lebron beats GSW, battle of the betas. MJ was something else.

If today's social media existed in his time, it's just more fuel to him. His 3pt game would explode since that's all his naysayers boil down to (just look at the shrug game...result of that one article talking about MJ's 3 pt ability).

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[QUOTE=jstern]This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn

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Seems like MJ is cursing out Doc Rivers for flopping in that gif.

"Fking FLOP!":cheers:

Pretty sure it was. Rivers had been doing some flops in those last couple of games. That gif was in the last couple minutes of game 6 of the 1993 ECF, when the Bulls eliminated the Knicks. I remember Rivers drawing a charge on a flop in the previous game in New York, but I don't remember Rivers getting that call in game 6 in Chicago.

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What about the live amateur video'S that would surface of MJ constantly in the casino's or in the golf clubhouse looking to make wagers, on youtube?


I think there's a pretty good chance Jordan still does that stuff to this day :oldlol:, and you don't see any videos about it on social media.

The difference being discussed here is way overblown. Despite the presence of social media, there's not a 24/7 news coverage of NBA players cheating on their wives, hanging out at strip clubs, gambling in casinos, doing cocaine, smoking weed, banging hoes, etc., even though its probably happening all the time. Either because people don't really care that much or NBA players adjust and are more careful about their surroundings. For example, although it was news, there wasn't much coverage about that Lebron instagram controversy a couple months ago and there wasn't much coverage about Kobe and his wife contemplating separating/divorcing a few years ago due to Kobe's infidelity. There is 24/7 news coverage over stupid things NBA players say i.e. Derrick Rose saying the Knicks are a super team.

As far as stuff on the court goes, sure there might be some criticism. Probably a lot more criticism earlier in his career since the score-first guard had never led a team to a title up until that point. But after that, if a guy stays with his team and is winning 6 titles, 3peating twice, and winning 6 years in a row for the full seasons he played, is incredibly clutch and probably the most clutch player ever, and there's really no argument for anyone being better then him at any point during the season and playoffs, social media or not, what criticism really holds any weight?

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[QUOTE=jstern]This thread reminded me of video thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDBkgwZqtCs. It shows Jordan's normal personality, getting revenge on cue for the 50th time. Also cursing Van Gundy out and how youngings here think that Jordan doing something like that would destroy his career.

This perfectly explains two things about Michael Jordan https://youtu.be/W_DJjYw9R-w?t=34 for the youngings is how famous he was and was not just some basketball player that mainstream people tuned in to watch the Finals because they heard he was pretty good. And also that unique level of competitiveness that is the one thing that I find most interesting about Jordan.

I wanted to post a secretly recorded fan video that showed Jordan basically getting revenge and being consumed with shutting up a heckling fan with his play, putting his index finger over his mouth at the end of the game. The interesting point of the video was that the TV cameras didn

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Would NIKE still run the slogan "Like Mike, I wanna be like Mike" if the TMZ media existed and would provide pics and cell phone camera footage of MJ gambling at ____ till 4am? Possible woman excursions on video?

Then finding out he punched Kerr and Will Perdue at practice.

MJ would have been raked over the coals by haters on social media. He would be tracked by every step looking for more ammo to sling about his bad characteristics to the world.

In the 92 Olympics, he was known to have literally gambled the entire night before a game day and proceed to play the game without having slept at all.

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Would NIKE still run the slogan "Like Mike, I wanna be like Mike" if the TMZ media existed and would provide pics and cell phone camera footage of MJ gambling at ____ till 4am? Possible woman excursions on video?

Then finding out he punched Kerr and Will Perdue at practice.

MJ would have been raked over the coals by haters on social media. He would be tracked by every step looking for more ammo to sling about his bad characteristics to the world.

The bold wouldn't have bothered anybody. He's an alpha competitor. It's accepted. Isiah, also an alpha competitor, punched Laimbeer at practice once and it did make the media at the time, but no big deal.


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