Is MJ the only superathlete with GOAT-level shooting from either midrange or 3?

[3ball]

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I can't think of another superathlete that had GOAT (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)-level shooting from either midrange or 3-point range.

[feyki]

Don't forget T-Mac .

[keep-itreal]

Don't forget T-Mac .
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Lindsay-Lohan-Spits-Out-Drink.gif

[3ball]

Don't forget T-Mac .


From 2000-2005 - Tmac's prime - he shot between 37-43% from midrange, on about 600 attempts per year.

That's better than Lebron, but 6 percentage points less than MJ, on literally half the volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1503/stats/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


Again, it appears that Jordan is the only superathlete with GOAT-level shooting from either midrange of 3.. :confusedshrug:

[feyki]

From 2000-2005 - Tmac's prime - he shot between 37-43% from midrange, on about 600 attempts per year.

That's better than Lebron, but 6 percentage points less than MJ, on literally half the volume.

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/1503/stats/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


Again, it appears that Jordan is the only superathlete with GOAT-level shooting from either midrange of 3.. :confusedshrug:

:no:

In 2003 .. T-Mac had %42.3 percentages from 10-16 ft , %43.1 from 16-3's and %38.6 from 3's . And while having 42-44 inches max vert ;

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/basketball-orlando-magic-tracy-mcgrady-in-action-making-dunk-vs-miami-picture-id81343684

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Jordan wasn't on 44 inches level when had elite mid ranges ( 90's ) .

T-Mac was the greatest talent . And most versatile offensive weapon ever .

[TheWinningFam]

ok

[hateraid]

Bait thread. He knows someone is going to point out Jordan is not a good 3 point shooter. He's itching to paste his wall of text.

For the love of god please don't feed the troll and satisfy him!

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron "Games" James

2013 he shot 40% from three and was only 2nd to Caulderon in Spot up shooting efficiency (Yes, he beat out Curry that year)

[hateraid]

LeBron "Games" James

2013 he shot 40% from three and was only 2nd to Caulderon in Spot up shooting efficiency (Yes, he beat out Curry that year)

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/32793137.jpg

[TheWinningFam]

Jordan would be a demar derozan in todays league :facepalm

[ScalsFan21]

Bait thread. He knows someone is going to point out Jordan is not a good 3 point shooter. He's itching to paste his wall of text.

For the love of god please don't feed the troll and satisfy him!

Lmao that was my first thought as well.

Look, as funny as it is that Jordan only had 3 seasons of 30%+ 3 point shooting with the regulation-distance 3 point line, I do admit he's one of if not the only guy of his athleticism tier to dominate the midrange game at the volume and efficiency that he did relative to their eras.

[TheWinningFam]

Midrange jumpshot in todays game is s.hit and jordan would be demarr derozan in today's slower paced game :facepalm

[K.dot ShowTime]

The answer is YES

[PJR]

Jordan wasn't GOAT level from 3, so this thread is moot.

[hateraid]

Jordan wasn't GOAT level from 3, so this thread is moot.


Bait thread. He knows someone is going to point out Jordan is not a good 3 point shooter. He's itching to paste his wall of text.

For the love of god please don't feed the troll and satisfy him!

:mad:

[3ball]

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Year..... Shots..... Dunks....Shots Per Dunk

1988..... 165,439..... 5,727..... 28.89 <------ harder to dunk
1989..... 182,375..... 6,475..... 28.17
1990..... 192,942..... 7,011..... 27.52
1991..... 193,050..... 7,241..... 26.66
1992..... 193,401..... 8,122..... 23.81
1993..... 190,296..... 8,252..... 23.06
1994..... 186,948..... 8,515..... 21.96
1995..... 180,414..... 8,645..... 20.87
1996..... 190,675..... 8,468..... 22.52
1997..... 188,587..... 8,460..... 22.29
1998..... 189,544..... 9,318..... 20.34 <------ easier to dunk
1999..... 113,390..... 4,681..... 24.22
2000..... 195,228..... 8,325..... 23.45
2001..... 191,661..... 7,319..... 26.19 <------ harder to dunk
2002..... 193,256..... 8,439..... 22.90
2003..... 192,096..... 8,265..... 23.24
2004..... 189,805..... 8,120..... 23.38
2005..... 197,640..... 9,150..... 21.60
2006..... 194,310..... 8,640..... 22.49
2007..... 196,080..... 8,310..... 23.60
2008..... 200,490..... 9,270..... 21.63
2009..... 199,050..... 9,360..... 21.27
2010..... 201,000..... 8,790..... 22.87
2011......199,800..... 8,910..... 22.42
2012..... 161,220..... 7,320..... 22.02
2013..... 201,600..... 9,540..... 21.13
2014..... 204,180..... 9,030..... 22.61 <------ easier to dunk

[3ball]

In 2003 .. T-Mac had %42.3 percentages from 10-16 ft , %43.1 from 16-3's and %38.6 from 3's .


That is nowhere NEAR Jordan's goat-level - that's just "decent" or "solid".

Jordan's percentages were 50% for all the distances you mentioned:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season






And Tmac had 42-44 inches max vert



Tmac's vertical was nowhere NEAR 44 inches - more like 37-38.





Jordan wasn't on 44 inches level [SIZE="5"]when had elite mid ranges ( 90's )


Jordan was more athletic than Tmac for his entire career - he got 153 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29aw57s&s=8#.U_0sDPldX2U) dunks in 1990 and 126 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.U_0tS_ldX2V) in 1991, which is far more than Tmac's high of 103 in 2003.

Keep in mind that league-wide dunk frequency was the same or lower during Jordan's era compared to Tmac's era or today's game, as the stats show in the previous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12527556&postcount=16) post above.

Also, Tmac's high of 103 dunks was an ANOMALY!!.. He only averaged 75 dunks during his peak years... That's less than the 94 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j82vl1&s=8#.VI_5qyvF_Ck) dunks and 89 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) dunks that Jordan got in 1996 and 1998.. Don't forget how high "Air" Jordan could still get up at 33-35 years old:

https://media.giphy.com/media/HE2sZdIJSyPFm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/zqMGGfL6egfRe/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Jordan wasn't GOAT level from 3, so this thread is moot.


The thread title asks which superathletes were GOAT-level shooters at 3-point OR midrange.

As it turns out, MJ is the only superathlete with GOAT-level shooting from either midrange or 3-point range..

Essentially, he's the only superathlete that was a goat shooter.. :confusedshrug

[feyki]

That is nowhere NEAR Jordan's goat-level - that's just "decent" or "solid".

Jordan's percentages were 50% for all the distances you mentioned:

http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season



Tmac's vertical was nowhere NEAR 44 inches - more like 37-38.



Jordan was more athletic than Tmac for his entire career - he got 153 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=29aw57s&s=8#.U_0sDPldX2U) dunks in 1990 and 126 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=qpikcz&s=8#.U_0tS_ldX2V) in 1991, which is far more than Tmac's high of 103 in 2003.

Keep in mind that league-wide dunk frequency was the same or lower during Jordan's era compared to Tmac's era or today's game, as the stats show in the previous (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12527556&postcount=16) post above.

Also, Tmac's high of 103 dunks was an ANOMALY!!.. He only averaged 75 dunks during his peak years... That's less than the 94 (http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=j82vl1&s=8#.VI_5qyvF_Ck) dunks and 89 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season) dunks that Jordan got in 1996 and 1998.. Don't forget how high "Air" Jordan could still get up at 33-35 years old:

https://media.giphy.com/media/HE2sZdIJSyPFm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/zqMGGfL6egfRe/giphy.gif

Lol , T-Mac definitely had about 42-44 vert in his prime . And Jordan definitely declined his vert in 90's , day and day . Jordan had barely 40 inches max vertical when he had elute mid range game for about 92-98 .

T-Mac had all super athleticism,mid range and longe range game in his peak days rather than Jordan . Jordan always handle the one , Mid range or super vert .

[3ball]

Jordan had barely 40 inches max vertical when he had elute mid range game for about 92-98 .



This is from 1992:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/utCEqB.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zeEkKm.gif



This is from 1993:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/FAYvEZ.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/CoyEIr.gif



Jordan's best efficiency was 1989 - 54% and 61 ts

[feyki]

This is from 1992:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/utCEqB.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zeEkKm.gif



This is from 1993:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/FAYvEZ.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/CoyEIr.gif



Jordan's best efficiency was 1989 - 54% and 61 ts

This post prove me . Where's the jump , which one above than 40 inches ?

They all barely , and some are not even 40" .

:roll: That's the field goal percentages when Jordan had all athleticism to drive to the basket all night .

He had great mid range about 92 . And 91 Jordan was last super athlete version of MJ .

[NBAGOAT]

no OJ Simpson was a superathlete with GOAT level shooting too. Srry 3ball, you're wrong as always.

[KiiiiNG]

Compared to LeBron, Jordan isn't a super-athlete

You can't just throw that term around casually

And we all know Jordan was a poor/mediocre 3pt. shooter, so what an absolute mindbogglingly stupid thread :oldlol:

[GrapeApe]

Compared to LeBron, Jordan isn't a super-athlete

You can't just throw that term around casually

And we all know Jordan was a poor/mediocre 3pt. shooter, so what an absolute mindbogglingly stupid thread :oldlol:

Jordan was quicker, had a better first step, better agility, and was more fluid. The only athletic advantage Lebron had over Jordan was size and strength. They're about equal in terms of leaping ability.

[FKAri]

There's a chimp in the Lagos Zoo that can shoot free throws at a 90% clip.

So, no. MJ is bested by this chimp.

[CTbasketball92]

This is from 1992:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/utCEqB.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zeEkKm.gif



This is from 1993:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/FAYvEZ.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/CoyEIr.gif



Jordan's best efficiency was 1989 - 54% and 61 ts


Those are nice dunks, but you know what? I think LeBron's remained roughly in his physical prime longer than MJ. I think 2016 LBJ >>> 1995-1998 MJ.

[AirBonner]

Ordan is overrated as hell. His 3 point shooting is nowhere close to goat level. This is a fact. So now you just have midrange. Dirk Nowitzki is better then Ordan at 3's and comparative to him at 2's and he isn't even the best player in this generation of players. Let that sink in.

[3ball]

I think 2016 LBJ >>> 1995-1998 MJ.



That's a nice thought, but Jordan was still scoring a FAR higher proportion of his team's points (especially in the 4th of playoffs/Finals):




..............PERCENTAGE OF TEAM PTS SCORED WHILE PLAYER ON FLOOR


........................RS......RS 4th.... PO.....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) <---- links to nba.com data
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 34.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 33.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 34.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 30.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 33.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 32.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 29.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2016... 31.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 36.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 30.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 35.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 47.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Jordan also faced greater defensive attention, since he scored 15 ppg more than his 2nd option, compared to 2 ppg for Lebron - yet he still made all the game-winning plays, while Kyrie made several for the Cavs.

In 1997 playoffs, Jordan led the Bulls in every category - points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks - while scoring 15 ppg more than his 2nd option and making 3 game-winning plays in the Finals, including the legendary flu game.. (edit: rodman averaged 8.3 rebs to jordan's 7.9)
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[AintNoSunshine]

Bait thread. He knows someone is going to point out Jordan is not a good 3 point shooter. He's itching to paste his wall of text.

For the love of god please don't feed the troll and satisfy him!
:roll: :roll:

3ball is so preditable

[CTbasketball92]

Ordan is overrated as hell. His 3 point shooting is nowhere close to goat level. This is a fact. So now you just have midrange. Dirk Nowitzki is better then Ordan at 3's and comparative to him at 2's and he isn't even the best player in this generation of players. Let that sink in.

1987-1993 MJ was basically a taller, more in control Westbrook with even more bounce. OKC beats GSW in 6 games or less with that version of MJ.

[CuterThanRubio]

Jordan was only capable of shooting respectably from three point range during seasons featuring the shortened line, this is common knowledge among NBA enthusiasts.



How about we analyze Jordan's midrange efficiency during his final seasons instead?

01/02: 3-10 .297 10-16 .419 16-3 .409

02/03: 3-10 .363 10-16 .439 16-3 .424

Yikes, Jordan would not be nearly as effective shooting the ball in today's league, that is guaranteed!

[Stringer Bell]

Jordan was only capable of shooting respectably from three point range during seasons featuring the shortened line, this is common knowledge among NBA enthusiasts.


He was pretty good during the 89-90 season...he participated in the 3 point contest, and had just 5 points (the same night 42-1 underdog Buster Douglas defeated Mike Tyson for the HW title). He was also pretty good during the 92-93 season, but for the rest of the regular seasons with the 23'9 distance, he shot below league average in 3 point percentage.

The game is so much different now, it's crazy that teams averaged just TWO 3-pointers made per game in the early 90s.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1990.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1991.html


Now they average about 8.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016.html