Lebron is 1 - 6 in finals if not for choking

[coined]

I mean Spurs choked in 2013, and so do Warriors in 2016. Those are 2 not convincing rings that details could have changed the outcome.

He has one ring, he won legit vs OKC in 2012.

[JebronLames]

Refs made 2013 look a lot closer than it was. Karma came thru at the end.

2016. LeBron mentally and physically destroyed curry, Barnes, and Iggy.

[ShawkFactory]

Going all the way back to the beginning of the NBA you could claim that "details" decided a lot of championships. Including those of most of the ATGs.

It's a dumb argument

[RRR3]

By your insane logic, LeBron should get credit for choking in 2011 :wtf:

[bigkingsfan]

Wade missed FT's
Spurs AC system
Injuries

Damn he could easily be 6/7 :eek:

[Lebronxrings]

By your insane logic, Wade should get credit for choking in 2011 :wtf:
Fixed

[Sarcastic]

By your insane logic, LeBron should get credit for choking in 2011 :wtf:


Well the Heat definitely should have won. It was on the biggest chokes in NBA history, when you consider the roster of both teams.

[RRR3]

Well the Heat definitely should have won. It was on the biggest chokes in NBA history, when you consider the roster of both teams.
No doubt LeBron blew it. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of OP's post

[pauk]

lol

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Wade missed FT's
Spurs AC system
Injuries

Damn he could easily be 6/7 :eek:

Bran shoots even 40% and the '07 series is winnable, too.

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Well the Heat definitely should have won. It was on the biggest chokes in NBA history, when you consider the roster of both teams.
yes...who could forget starters Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony's combined avg's of 38MP, 5PPG, 5TRB and 1AST.....:rolleyes:

[Sarcastic]

yes...who could forget starters Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony's combined avg's of 38MP, 5PPG, 5TRB and 1AST.....:rolleyes:

<Insert Warriorfan top 5 PER list copy pasta>

[Elosha]

By your insane logic, LeBron should get credit for choking in 2011 :wtf:

That's not exactly the logical corollary. By his logic, it's not that Lebron should get credit for choking in 2011, it's that Dallas should lose credit because Lebron choked.

It's a bad argument regardless. Spurs and Warriors didn't play well when it counted, but they didn't hand the championships to the Heat and the Cavs. Lebron and his teams went out and actively took it to them, while at the same time having the "luck" of the other team not playing well. But you could probably say that for many champions.

What's interesting to me is that Duncan and the Spurs didn't pout or make excuses after 2013. They knew they should have won, they believed they were really the better team. And they used that as motivation the entire next season, culminating in kicking Lebron and the Heat's collective ass in 2014. That must have been some of the sweetest revenge imaginable. I wonder if the Warriors, even with Durant, can muster the same mental fortitude.

[HylianNightmare]

Cry

[SouBeachTalents]

yes...who could forget starters Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony's combined avg's of 38MP, 5PPG, 5TRB and 1AST.....:rolleyes:

And who could forget LeBron's 4th quarter ppg average

[Hey Yo]

And who could forget LeBron's 4th quarter ppg average
James' 4th qtr ppg avg > Anthony's all 4 quarters ppg avg. for the series

[Spurs5Rings2014]

What's interesting to me is that Duncan and the Spurs didn't pout or make excuses after 2013. They knew they should have won, they believed they were really the better team. And they used that as motivation the entire next season, culminating in kicking Lebron and the Heat's collective ass in 2014. That must have been some of the sweetest revenge imaginable. I wonder if the Warriors, even with Durant, can muster the same mental fortitude.

:pimp:

[I<3NBA]

Kobe is 0/7 if not for Shaq, Gasol, and Artest

let's be real here. on his very peak, he couldn't even get his team to the playoffs or out of the 1st round.

[G0ATbe]

Kobe is 0/7 if not for Shaq, Gasol, and Artest

You can only name three:lol ? Two of which are absolute bums compared to the guys LeBalds played with the past decade, and the other is a former teammate of his:roll: .

[tpols]

LeBron, in all four of his defeats, was demolished .. ('07, '11, '14, '15), while in 2/3 of his wins he won by one possession ('13, '16). so.. his defeats are final.. obliterations.. but his wins were 50/50s, at best. we are witnessing best case scenario right now.. bran fam should be grateful for that.

[SouBeachTalents]

James' 4th qtr ppg avg > Anthony's all 4 quarters ppg avg. for the series

LeBron had Wade averaging 27/7/5/2/2 on 55% and Bosh chipping in with 19/7 (on admittedly poor shooting) that series, and you're going to focus on Joel Anthony :lol You pretending LeBron wasn't the main reason they lost that series is some of the worst denial I've seen on this board. Dude has an argument for top 5 all time now, just admit he sucked in the 2011 Finals

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron, in all four of his defeats, was demolished .. ('07, '11, '14, '15), while in 2/3 of his wins he won by one possession ('13, '16). so.. his defeats are final.. obliterations.. but his wins were 50/50s. we are witnessing best case scenario right now.. bran fam should be grateful for that.

The Heat were not remotely "demolished" in 2011, they EASILY should have won the first 4 games. It took a massive collapse in Game 2 & LeBron's no show in Game 4 for the Mavs to split the first 4 games, and the Heat still barely lost those games

[tpols]

The Heat were not remotely "demolished" in 2011, they EASILY should have won the first 4 games. It took a massive collapse in Game 2 & LeBron's no show in Game 4 for the Mavs to split the first 4 games, and the Heat still barely lost those games

the 2011 Finals were not as close as the 2013 or 2016 Finals.. thats the point. Yea the Heat only lost cuz bron choked.. but the mavs in '11 didnt need a last second shot just to stay alive.. and they had siezed momentum from the late game 2 choke from there on out.

[JT123]

we are witnessing best case scenario right now
So you are admitting Bron has overachieved?
I agree :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron, in all four of his defeats, was demolished .. ('07, '11, '14, '15), while in 2/3 of his wins he won by one possession ('13, '16). so.. his defeats are final.. obliterations.. but his wins were 50/50s, at best. we are witnessing best case scenario right now.. bran fam should be grateful for that.

LeBron honestly really hasn't been that lucky in the Finals anyway. I know, I know, end of Game 6/Ray Allen, fine dude definitely caught some breaks that game. But you seriously think he was getting massive breaks in the other Finals?

In '07 LeBron played terribly, but his supporting cast was a joke and totally over matched against a far superior Spurs team
In '14 Wade, Bosh and the entire Heat team was god awful, LeBron certainly caught no breaks that series
In '15 he lost BOTH Kyrie & Love, wouldn't consider that lucky either
Even in '13 he had to win Game 7 with "superstar" Bosh putting up a goose egg

Green's suspension in Game 5 isn't enough to claim LeBron got lucky this year, dude had to come back from 3-1 down against the 73 win defending champs and won a Game 7 on the road

[Wally450]

Kobe is 0-7 if not for a competent big man.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron had Wade averaging 27/7/5/2/2 on 55% and Bosh chipping in with 19/7 (on admittedly poor shooting) that series, and you're going to focus on Joel Anthony :lol You pretending LeBron wasn't the main reason they lost that series is some of the worst denial I've seen on this board. Dude has an argument for top 5 all time now, just admit he sucked in the 2011 Finals
Avg.18/7/7/ while leading the team in scoring for 2 games and dropping a trip dub in another. Did James play up to par or great?....no! Was James the main reason why Miami lost the series?....most certainly not

Like I said.. starters Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony's combined avg's were 38MP, 5PPG, 5TRB and 1AST for the series. If you don't think they get no blame whatsoever..... then I don't know what to tell ya

[Cap'n Obvious]

If not for LeBron's choking in 2011, he could be 4/7.

[JebronLames]

That's not exactly the logical corollary. By his logic, it's not that Lebron should get credit for choking in 2011, it's that Dallas should lose credit because Lebron choked.

It's a bad argument regardless. Spurs and Warriors didn't play well when it counted, but they didn't hand the championships to the Heat and the Cavs. Lebron and his teams went out and actively took it to them, while at the same time having the "luck" of the other team not playing well. But you could probably say that for many champions.

What's interesting to me is that Duncan and the Spurs didn't pout or make excuses after 2013. They knew they should have won, they believed they were really the better team. And they used that as motivation the entire next season, culminating in kicking Lebron and the Heat's collective ass in 2014. That must have been some of the sweetest revenge imaginable. I wonder if the Warriors, even with Durant, can muster the same mental fortitude.
Spurs weren't the better team in 2013. Refs almost gave the Spurs that series. LeBron didn't allow it.

[francesco totti]

Its true for every championship team.There are teams that on details made it past conference finals semi finals and round 1..ended up champions.

in early 2000s..i remember lakers winning the blazers, spurs and kings on details.

[sportjames23]

LeBron, in all four of his defeats, was demolished .. ('07, '11, '14, '15), while in 2/3 of his wins he won by one possession ('13, '16). so.. his defeats are final.. obliterations.. but his wins were 50/50s, at best. we are witnessing best case scenario right now.. bran fam should be grateful for that.


Damn. :oldlol:

[Dragonyeuw]

2016. LeBron mentally and physically destroyed curry, Barnes, and Iggy.

And you think he's doing that to 2001 Shaq and Kobe?

[It's A VC3!!!]

LeBron could easily be 1-6 but you're also not giving him enough credit that vs. both the spurs and warriors those games went to 7. both the spurs and warriors had enough chances to win, and didn't do so. The 2016 Warriors series will be the one that goes down in history, for obvious reasons. that was the worst choke-fest any of us have ever seen.

[MP.Trey]

And you think he's doing that to 2001 Shaq and Kobe?
Do you think any one person in the history of the basketball world is doing that to the greatest 1-2 punch in history?

Besides, if OP wants to exclude choking, then you gotta at least give LeBron the win in 2011 because the Heat would have won that year of LeBron didn't choke.

[Dragonyeuw]

Do you think any one person in the history of the basketball world is doing that to the greatest 1-2 punch in history?



I don't know, ask the guy who said that Lebron destroyed Curry, Barnes and Iggy. He made that claim as if it was supposed to apply in this scenario as well.