Ben Simmons vs Brandon Ingram Summer League Stats [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Sportal

07-19-2016, 02:28 AM

plowking

07-19-2016, 02:53 AM

I think Ingram will take off a lot quicker than Simmons, this season. I think that if anyone in this rookie class is likely to score 20+PPG it's Ingram. Assuming he gets starter minutes.

Ingram doesn't have a shot at 20ppg this season. I really don't get the hype with this kid.
Like someone else pointed out, his scoring in college jumped after he moved to the 4, where he had a massive quickness advantage. Not something he can do in the NBA considering just how skinny and weak he is. For all the flak Durant got coming into the league, he quickly developed into a lean, strong type of build.

BlackWhiteGreen

07-19-2016, 03:33 AM

For comparison - Jaylen Brown: 16 points 6 rebounds 2 assists

Meticode

07-19-2016, 05:40 AM

Kay Felder for the Cavs 15.3/3.4/3.9/1.4 in 29 minutes of play. Solid considering McRae was on the team chucking constantly. McRae averaged like 12-13 FTA per game for the whole Summer League.

AirTupac

07-19-2016, 09:18 AM

Ingram doesn't have a shot at 20ppg this season. I really don't get the hype with this kid.
Like someone else pointed out, his scoring in college jumped after he moved to the 4, where he had a massive quickness advantage. Not something he can do in the NBA considering just how skinny and weak he is. For all the flak Durant got coming into the league, he quickly developed into a lean, strong type of build.

Bruh you dont even know college ball. Ive seen some of your posts. Reaks of stupidity. Your opinion doesn't mean much :facepalm

HylianNightmare

07-19-2016, 09:47 AM

Ingram looks ridiculous with all those tattoos

bobopenguin

07-19-2016, 11:00 AM

Ingram looks ridiculous with all those tattoos

seriously, why would a 19 yrs old wants that much of tattoo? ghetto life style.

oh the horror

07-19-2016, 11:06 AM

[QUOTE=bobopenguin]seriously, why would a 19 yrs old wants that much of tattoo? ghetto life style.[/QUOTE

So a person getting ink is a ghetto lifestyle? Or is it because he's black with ink?

chocolatethunder

07-19-2016, 11:10 AM

Kay Felder for the Cavs 15.3/3.4/3.9/1.4 in 29 minutes of play. Solid considering McRae was on the team chucking constantly. McRae averaged like 12-13 FTA per game for the whole Summer League.

God McRae is the worst.

hateraid

07-19-2016, 11:14 AM

I think Ingram will take off a lot quicker than Simmons, this season. I think that if anyone in this rookie class is likely to score 20+PPG it's Ingram. Assuming he gets starter minutes.

Simmons is going to be a lot more valuable to the 76ers however. The intangibles that the guy brings, without having a shot like Ingram does, is a very big commodity. He will get a jumper, he will become a threat, maybe not this season... But definitely over his career. I would have to point to Anthony Davis as an example of improvement.

I would assume that, Simmons will get about 15/7/4 or somewhere in that area. Really not sure who will win ROTY. Probably neither of them. But I guess if Ingram does score 20+PPG, it will be him.

With a team that does not have Kobe with the green light to fire away? It's open season for the rest of the players. Clarkson, Randle, and Russell are all ball hogs, not to mention Deng, Williams, and Young. Ingram will be lucky to get to double digits. Deng will start at SF and Randle at PF. Ingram will barely get any burn

chocolatethunder

07-19-2016, 11:15 AM

[QUOTE=bobopenguin]seriously, why would a 19 yrs old wants that much of tattoo? ghetto life style.[/QUOTE

So a person getting ink is a ghetto lifestyle? Or is it because he's black with ink?

I'm a tattooist, I don't care about anyone having tattoos. Unfortunately for ingram, the majority of his tattoos were done in someone's house, not at a tattoo shop and they look like shit. It's a shame because he's a millionaire now and he's covered in poorly done tattoos. Lil Wayne and JR Smith also have a bunch of house tattoos but far less than Ingram. They have real ones and ones from a house but Ingram's all appear to be amateur. Sucks for him.

Long Duck Dong

07-19-2016, 12:45 PM

Simmons is almost D'angelo Russell's age. Ingram is like a year and 3 months younger than Simmons.

AirTupac

07-19-2016, 12:55 PM

I'm a tattooist, I don't care about anyone having tattoos. Unfortunately for ingram, the majority of his tattoos were done in someone's house, not at a tattoo shop and they look like shit. It's a shame because he's a millionaire now and he's covered in poorly done tattoos. Lil Wayne and JR Smith also have a bunch of house tattoos but far less than Ingram. They have real ones and ones from a house but Ingram's all appear to be amateur. Sucks for him.

News flash idiot. Ingram doesnt care what some sobby wanna-be tattoo artist thinks about his ink. He got them cause they represent something to him. FOH bozo :facepalm

PP34Deuce

07-19-2016, 02:00 PM

Ingram is going to take awhile... He's frail. durant was skinny but not like Ingram.

Luol Deng is still a starting caliber SF..No way he loses minutes to a raw rookie.

Simmons has the keys to an offense. I expect him to average 14-15ppg 6 rebounds and 6 assists. Basically Michael Carter Williams type numbers.

Eventually, Simmons is going to be 18-9-8 player. Lamar Odomish guy with a slight hint of Lebron.

Cali Syndicate

07-19-2016, 03:38 PM

Could care less about summer league stas but watching the games, simmons looks like the more talented player. Ingram has looked over hyped to me. NBA season may prove to be different though.

chocolatethunder

07-19-2016, 04:08 PM

News flash idiot. Ingram doesnt care what some sobby wanna-be tattoo artist thinks about his ink. He got them cause they represent something to him. FOH bozo :facepalm
Newsflash. This bozo has made a living tattooing for 23 years. You can suck it. You can get nice tattoos that mean something to you, they don't have to look like shit.

FireMcFailPlease

07-19-2016, 05:49 PM

pretty weak stats vs weak competition. I was underwhelmed by Simmons even though every pass he made(there was good ones, I admit) was a once in a lifetime pass described by the commentators.

i thought he was well below avg for a #1 pick vs SL competition, and outside of scoring a bunch of 4th qtr points, his scoring was quite tame and he shed away from shooting near the end of the game, just like in college.

blablabla

07-19-2016, 05:49 PM

Why does everyone assume Deng is going to start at the 3, Deng was far more valuable for Miami once he switched to the 4 and with Walton coaching i am certain that he will play there.

Levity

07-19-2016, 05:54 PM

. Ingram will barely get any burn

idiotic post from a poster seemingly diminishing in quality

Levity

07-19-2016, 05:56 PM

as for hte stats. simmons was a lot of fun to watch in the few games i saw of him.

ingram was a blast to watch (for me), as well. and in the one game (final game) where he got the green light as the teams go-to scorer, he played FANTASTIC. missed something like 4 shots? for 20+ points.

Sportal

07-19-2016, 06:26 PM

[QUOTE=oh the horror]

I'm a tattooist, I don't care about anyone having tattoos. Unfortunately for ingram, the majority of his tattoos were done in someone's house, not at a tattoo shop and they look like shit. It's a shame because he's a millionaire now and he's covered in poorly done tattoos. Lil Wayne and JR Smith also have a bunch of house tattoos but far less than Ingram. They have real ones and ones from a house but Ingram's all appear to be amateur. Sucks for him.

Lol scratchers.

FireDavidKahn

07-19-2016, 06:34 PM

Dunn > all:D

Bosnian Sajo

07-19-2016, 07:29 PM

Why omit steals and blocks? Ingram was swatting everything away summer league.

inclinerator

07-19-2016, 07:35 PM

are they even better than stanley johnson and winslow

hateraid

07-19-2016, 08:29 PM

idiotic post from a poster seemingly diminishing in quality

Well if you're going to call me out at least quote my whole post since it has my reasoning.

Again, that rotation is loaded with forwards. Deng and Randle are clearly the top 2 forwards and Young the first off the bench. Considering the rest of the rotation and the one glaring setback is his size. Unless there is a major injury to one of the starting forwards I say Ingram gets 25 minutes max but more in the range of 15-20.

Bosnian Sajo

07-19-2016, 08:41 PM

Well if you're going to call me out at least quote my whole post since it has my reasoning.

Again, that rotation is loaded with forwards. Deng and Randle are clearly the top 2 forwards and Young the first off the bench. Considering the rest of the rotation and the one glaring setback is his size. Unless there is a major injury to one of the starting forwards I say Ingram gets 25 minutes max but more in the range of 15-20.

I'm not gonna criticize since you're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, and truly there is no right or wrong opinion we all are just speculating, but following the Lakers as closely as Levity and I do, I feel as if you are completely wrong. Ingram is more NBA ready than Simmons, only thing holding him back is his weight, which isn't even that bad. Durant was a twig out of college too, still is really.

Haymaker

07-19-2016, 08:48 PM

For all the flak Durant got coming into the league, he quickly developed into a lean, strong type of build.

We're still waiting for that to happen :rolleyes:

Meticode

07-19-2016, 09:38 PM

Putting stats aside, even though it's only Summer League, Simmons has impressed me more. Especially with his passing ability. I knew he was a great passer coming out of college, but he's got much better vision than I thought.

Bosnian Sajo

07-19-2016, 10:50 PM

Simmons is most definitely the better passer, gotta give him that.

hateraid

07-19-2016, 11:57 PM

I'm not gonna criticize since you're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, and truly there is no right or wrong opinion we all are just speculating, but following the Lakers as closely as Levity and I do, I feel as if you are completely wrong. Ingram is more NBA ready than Simmons, only thing holding him back is his weight, which isn't even that bad. Durant was a twig out of college too, still is really.

I'm not criticizing you as well, but I see Lakers fans always put lofty expectations on their highly touted rookies. Last year the expectations of their number 2 pick were just as hyped. DAR was expected to come hot out the gates and immediately carry the torch after Kobe DESPITE his clear deficiency of not being able to handle the quicker pace. I see it very similar with Ingram except his deficiency is his size. I'm not saying he's not going to overcome that, I'm saying that he's not going to develop as quickly as Lakers fans expectations. Add the fact that if he's going to make that impact he's got to have to be better than DAR, Randle, Deng, Louis Williams, Clarkson, and Young.
But yes, it's just an opinion. I'm just seeing it as an NBA fan who's not bias towards that team.

GimmeThat

07-20-2016, 01:04 AM

Ingram will have the opportunity to capture victories on the defensive side
while Simmons will have to decide whether or not he can be a 12+ rebounder

Nastradamus

07-20-2016, 01:07 AM

Ingram will have the opportunity to capture victories on the defensive side
while Simmons will have to decide whether or not he can be a 12+ rebounder

Everyone talks about Ingram defensively, but Simmons as of right now is the far superior defender. Ingram is all potential on that end.

GimmeThat

07-20-2016, 01:13 AM

Everyone talks about Ingram defensively, but Simmons as of right now is the far superior defender. Ingram is all potential on that end.

while the argument that the league now favors smaller players and that it is no longer a big man league may stand still. The type of players Simmons will have to guard in order to be termed the undoubted/quesiotned #1 option makes the bolded part a long way to go still.

G-train

07-20-2016, 01:35 AM

Simmons showed some excellent passing ability, but I thought it was an underwhelming summer league performance.

He shot horribly in every way, turned it over an absolute ton, and generally played poorly.

He was not CLOSE to deserving of being on either all summer league team.
But NBA got away with it because not many actually watch all the games.

For example, Rozier averaged 21/4/2 on 62/57/86 with huge advanced numbers, yet didn't sniff a team. He certainly outplayed Simmons.

G-train

07-20-2016, 01:36 AM

G-train

07-20-2016, 01:37 AM

I think Ingram's tattoos suit him.

Prime_Shaq

07-20-2016, 04:03 AM

I think Ingram will take off a lot quicker than Simmons, this season. I think that if anyone in this rookie class is likely to score 20+PPG it's Ingram. Assuming he gets starter minutes.

Simmons is going to be a lot more valuable to the 76ers however. The intangibles that the guy brings, without having a shot like Ingram does, is a very big commodity. He will get a jumper, he will become a threat, maybe not this season... But definitely over his career. I would have to point to Anthony Davis as an example of improvement.

I would assume that, Simmons will get about 15/7/4 or somewhere in that area. Really not sure who will win ROTY. Probably neither of them. But I guess if Ingram does score 20+PPG, it will be him.
Ingram is probably my favourite rookie but I think he has 0% chance at 20+ PPG

Spurs m8

07-20-2016, 04:35 AM

Newsflash. This bozo has made a living tattooing for 23 years. You can suck it. You can get nice tattoos that mean something to you, they don't have to look like shit.

What style do you specialize in?

CarlosBoozer

07-20-2016, 05:06 AM

Ingram will not average 20 a game

Meticode

07-20-2016, 05:19 AM

Maybe in the NBA.com highlights.
I was speaking of actual watched games. Not highlights. All those things you mentioned are true, but I think Simmons had the ball a lot more in his hands, therefore more opportunity to turn the ball over.

GimmeThat

07-20-2016, 06:12 AM

Ingram is probably my favourite rookie but I think he has 0% chance at 20+ PPG

so you believe that Ingram can't score 5 points per quarter

bobopenguin

07-20-2016, 06:20 AM

so you believe that Ingram can't score 5 points per quarter

bron has difficulty doing that on 4th quarter.

fourkicks44

07-20-2016, 07:38 AM

I was speaking of actual watched games. Not highlights. All those things you mentioned are true, but I think Simmons had the ball a lot more in his hands, therefore more opportunity to turn the ball over.

Yeah this is SO true!

Plus did you see some of the ridiculous passes he was trying to throw? Of course he was going to turn it over, I honestly thought he was holding back every game.

Trying to entertain and experiment. Damn fun turnovers to watch.

I really like Ingram and he has a really high ceiling that he hasn't even got close to reaching. But those Lakers fans that say he is more NBA ready than Simmons are trippin and need to take their hands off it. :wtf:

oh the horror

07-20-2016, 09:33 AM

Ingram is not averaging 20ppg in his rookie season. Him and Simmons are going to need a bit to get into form. That's for sure.

MMM

07-20-2016, 10:37 AM

how do you guys rate the other rookies, especially in comparison to the top level guys. Brown, Murray, Dunn all looked good at times while Bender and Buddy struggled.

Bosnian Sajo

07-20-2016, 10:54 AM

Ingram will not average 20 a game

In his rookie year? Of course not...lol, not really breaking news.

Bosnian Sajo

07-20-2016, 10:58 AM

Dunn looked like ****ing Damian Lillard out there, and imo that's a good comparrison as to what that pick will end up looking like for the Twolves.

Another player I'd like to shout out is Ivica Zubac, dude KILLED IT in summer league. Big body/frame, mobile (surprisingly), hustles, rebounding (he can actually grab offensive rebounds, THANK YOU GOD!), and plays good ****ing defense. High IQ player, knows the game and knows his place on the team. He was swatting tf outta the ball in summer league, hopefully he will be given a chance in preseason/regular season and get some minutes, because imo he might be better for us rn than Mozgov.

NuggetsFan

07-20-2016, 02:41 PM

Dunn looked like ****ing Damian Lillard out there, and imo that's a good comparrison as to what that pick will end up looking like for the Twolves.

Watching you talk about draft prospects is hilarious. You didn't even know guys proper positions in the draft thread and now this? :lol Damian Lillard is one of the better shooters in the league. Never making less than 2 3's per game. That's easily Dunn's biggest question mark. Dunn is far quicker and agile and is a defensive beast who needs to learn how to shoot consistently and play under control. Lillard is the opposite, doesn't play much defense but plays under control and can shoot the lights out.

PP34Deuce

07-20-2016, 03:13 PM

I don't look at stats in summer league. I believe you can tell who can play by seeing how they interact on the court. Each position has certain areas you look for.

PG- Does he know how to set plays. can he play defense. Does he have enough speed to get to the corners.

SG- How's his form look? Does he move well without the ball? Is he strong enough to get in the paint?

SF- Is he glueing everything together for the team? Is he playing defense on multiple defenders good? Is he athletic enough?

PF- Does he gobble up rebounds and score efficiently? Can he face up with confidence.

C- Does he anchor? Does he make shots inside 5 feet at high consistency?

Bosnian Sajo

07-20-2016, 04:20 PM

Watching you talk about draft prospects is hilarious. You didn't even know guys proper positions in the draft thread and now this? :lol Damian Lillard is one of the better shooters in the league. Never making less than 2 3's per game. That's easily Dunn's biggest question mark. Dunn is far quicker and agile and is a defensive beast who needs to learn how to shoot consistently and play under control. Lillard is the opposite, doesn't play much defense but plays under control and can shoot the lights out.

1. You keep repeating the "you didn't even know guys proper positions in the draft thread" line, it's getting old. Especially considering you are talking about me "mixing up" Davis and Labsierre's positions when on every draft site it clearly states that they both play PF/C. You look retarded.

2. I was implying he will end up like Damian Lillard, aka an all star. They were both drafter basically in the same spot (5,6) and are both quick, high scoring guards. It's a comparison, I didn't say they both play exactly alike on defense and offense....

Get off my dick, dude.

NuggetsFan

07-20-2016, 04:41 PM

1. You keep repeating the "you didn't even know guys proper positions in the draft thread" line, it's getting old. Especially considering you are talking about me "mixing up" Davis and Labsierre's positions when on every draft site it clearly states that they both play PF/C. You look retarded.

2. I was implying he will end up like Damian Lillard, aka an all star. They were both drafter basically in the same spot (5,6) and are both quick, high scoring guards. It's a comparison, I didn't say they both play exactly alike on defense and offense....

Get off my dick, dude.

1) because reading you in that thread was hilarious. Basically anyone the Lakers selected was going to be a steal when it was pretty clear you hadn't really watched anyone play or knew anything about them. You'd get excited about one guy falling, he'd get drafted, and you'd find someone else to get pumped about.

2) "Dunn looked like Damian Lillard out there". Decent backtrack. Trying to re-write what a comparison is. Maybe that's what you meant but sure as shit didn't come off like that.

Not on your dick dude. It's a msgboard. We post in alot of the same threads. Probably because both our teams are young. You post alot of stupid shit. Pretty sure the last time I quoted you it was you not knowing who Saric was, and saying Zubac was better than Jokic :confusedshrug: This time about the Lillard/Dunn comparison. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff.

RedBlackAttack

07-20-2016, 07:34 PM

God McRae is the worst.
Dude had 125 field goal attempts in 7 SL games.

Ben Simmons and Brandon Ingram combined for 95 field goal attempts in 9 SL games.

McRae. :oldlol:

chocolatethunder

07-20-2016, 07:43 PM

Dude had 125 field goal attempts in 7 SL games.

Ben Simmons and Brandon Ingram combined for 95 field goal attempts in 9 SL games.

McRae. :oldlol:

Holy shit. The dude gets the ball and just shoots and shoots and then shoots some more. He's so bad.

Nick Young

07-20-2016, 08:04 PM

Simmons is almost D'angelo Russell's age. Ingram is like a year and 3 months younger than Simmons.
Exactly. Ingram has a higher ceiling. He is already a better scorer than Simmons and is 15 months younger. Simmons can't even lead his team to the NCAA tournament.

Nick Young

07-20-2016, 08:05 PM

1) because reading you in that thread was hilarious. Basically anyone the Lakers selected was going to be a steal when it was pretty clear you hadn't really watched anyone play or knew anything about them. You'd get excited about one guy falling, he'd get drafted, and you'd find someone else to get pumped about.

2) "Dunn looked like Damian Lillard out there". Decent backtrack. Trying to re-write what a comparison is. Maybe that's what you meant but sure as shit didn't come off like that.

Not on your dick dude. It's a msgboard. We post in alot of the same threads. Probably because both our teams are young. You post alot of stupid shit. Pretty sure the last time I quoted you it was you not knowing who Saric was, and saying Zubac was better than Jokic :confusedshrug: This time about the Lillard/Dunn comparison. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff.
These Nugs fans are so desperate to be relevant. :facepalm Just give it up bro. Leave this petty shit for the Nuggets forum.

NuggetsFan

07-20-2016, 08:27 PM

These Nugs fans are so desperate to be relevant. :facepalm Just give it up bro. Leave this petty shit for the Nuggets forum.

Nuggets aren't relevant and I don't really care . Goes without saying brah. Good thing being relevant doesn't always determine how good something is. Bieber is more relevant than Bob Dylan in '16 :confusedshrug:

Nothing about that post was petty and Nuggets aren't relevant enough to have an active Nuggets sub forum on ISH :lol

G-train

07-20-2016, 08:29 PM

I was speaking of actual watched games. Not highlights. All those things you mentioned are true, but I think Simmons had the ball a lot more in his hands, therefore more opportunity to turn the ball over.

If you turn the ball over that much it shouldn't be in your hands.

He played pretty poorly, except 10 or so amazing passes.

He has a long way to come.

chocolatethunder

07-21-2016, 12:02 AM

If you turn the ball over that much it shouldn't be in your hands.

He played pretty poorly, except 10 or so amazing passes.

He has a long way to come.
It's summer league I don't worry about it at all. Half of the TOs the dudes had no idea the ball was coming at all. He will have a lot of TOs this year but I'm not sweating it. Curry had a shit ton of TOs and I'm pretty sure both AI and Dwade and Nash habe all led, or been in the top 3 in TOs for a season. Again, he's young he will make those mistakes, I'm not concerned at all especially after him playing a whopping four summer league games with a bunch of bums who will never make the NBA or have no business being there (stauskas, grants et al).