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9erempiree
07-19-2016, 05:07 AM
100% original return.

I honestly don't think you guys that are accusing her of plagiarizing know what it means when a software written to detect plagiarism comes out 100% original.

Software widely used across prestigious universities all over the nation.

If you have Blackboard you will know what I'm talking about.

Nanners
07-19-2016, 05:13 AM
i dunno man i just tried to run melianas speech through my universities plagiarism checker, but every time I click submit the website just says "OP is a ******" and then spams this youtube link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtzdP7mR-4

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 05:17 AM
Another discussion that I have put to rest.

RIP Plagiarism Discusion 7/18/16 - 7/19/16

This has to be a record. 1 day.

MintBerryCrunch
07-19-2016, 05:20 AM
Agreed. Every word spoken was a completely new word never used before.

NumberSix
07-19-2016, 05:21 AM
Nah, whoever wrote her speech definitely took a few lines.

Whatever though. They were just filler lines anyway of generic platitudes. "We were brought up with values", "work hard for what you want", "treat people equally", "your word is your bond". Surprised Michelle didn't throw in "children are the future" or "our parents worked hard to give us the things they never had".

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 05:23 AM
Nah, whoever wrote her speech definitely took a few lines.

Whatever though. They were just filler lines anyway of generic platitudes. "We were brought up with values", "work hard for what you want", "treat people equally", "your word is your bond". Surprised Michelle didn't throw in "children are the future" or "our parents worked hard to give us the things they never had".

Those quotes are part of American vernacular.

Just like: piece of cake, by the skin, pass the buck

Widely used and recognized by everyone.

MintBerryCrunch
07-19-2016, 05:34 AM
Nah, whoever wrote her speech definitely took a few lines.

Whatever though. They were just filler lines anyway of generic platitudes. "We were brought up with values", "work hard for what you want", "treat people equally", "your word is your bond". Surprised Michelle didn't throw in "children are the future" or "our parents worked hard to give us the things they never had".

Her writer is Hillary Clinton's former writer.

Trump fam stealing from the Clintons and the Obamas. :lol

MintBerryCrunch
07-19-2016, 05:35 AM
Those quotes are part of American vernacular.

Just like: piece of cake, by the skin, pass the buck

Widely used and recognized by everyone.
Yeah, but the order of those phrases...

oh the horror
07-19-2016, 05:53 AM
I see the clown car has shown up. Face it dude. She stole the speech. It's embarrassing.

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 05:56 AM
I see the clown car has shown up. Face it dude. She stole the speech. It's embarrassing.

So a program that is connected to one of the biggest databases in the country, used by all big universities in the nation including mine, is lying?:oldlol:

Why do libs deny facts when its presented to them?

Jasper
07-19-2016, 09:06 AM
This morning Messhelaaaalaa Obama is taking credit for the speech.

Reb's learning from Demo's :lol :lol :lol

Jasper
07-19-2016, 09:08 AM
Agreed. Every word spoken was a completely new word never used before.:applause:

UK2K
07-19-2016, 09:50 AM
I watched bits and pieces of the RNC.

Willie Robertson gave a good speech. Marcus Luttrell gave a good speech. The mother of the Benghazi victim gave a pretty damming speech.

And I wake up today and the MSM doesn't cover any of that... it's all about similar lines in Trump's wife's speech. Lol

Doing everything they can to deflect away from the messages, especially the ones where Clinton is called out and blamed by name for the deaths of Americans. Classic. :oldlol:

Shit... if Trump had the media in his pocket this whole time... It'd have been over before it began.

Facepalm
07-19-2016, 09:54 AM
Leave Melania alone! Her struggles while growing up black in Chicago were inspiring and uplifting!

dude77
07-19-2016, 10:17 AM
lol cnn is such a piece of shit .. mofos don't even try to hide it .. the whole god damn day and all they do is fixate on that .. again just more negative shit on trump .. you're getting quite tiring cnn .. I'm about to shut you off for good .. watch how they cover the dnc and clinton next week .. it'll be a fellatio marathon all week

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 10:51 AM
100% original return.

I honestly don't think you guys that are accusing her of plagiarizing know what it means when a software written to detect plagiarism comes out 100% original.

Software widely used across prestigious universities all over the nation.

If you have Blackboard you will know what I'm talking about.


Post info about your university's checker. It is probably checking against university papers and not political speeches which it would have no reason to check against.

DukeDelonte13
07-19-2016, 10:55 AM
i could not care any less whether or not Donald Trump's wife used some lines from Michelle Obama's speech.

Who honestly cares about something like that?

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 11:00 AM
i could not care any less whether or not Donald Trump's wife used some lines from Michelle Obama's speech.

Who honestly cares about something like that?

You have a campaign with a strong contingent of white nationalists supporting it.
You have a Trump supporting US congressman who just went openly white supremacist on national TV yesterday
You have a campaign built on Obama led us into a hellscape and America is no longer great.....


.............and they are looking to this black woman for inspiration?

That's one.


For two, it says something about the organization.

If they intended to lift it, did they not think nobody would notice? Manafort was in charge of speeches. Speeches at a convention go through a long process and many hands.

They lied saying Melanie wrote it.......making her look bad almost immediately.
then they blamed Clinton for it. :wtf:

If it was a simple mistake which it probably was........let's put something like this here............why not own up to it?

west_tip
07-19-2016, 11:17 AM
i could not care any less whether or not Donald Trump's wife used some lines from Michelle Obama's speech.

Who honestly cares about something like that?

People who have no sense of perspective.

Bill Clinton lied under oath about committing adultery whilst he was in office and many people were all "Who cares?" but I guess we are all supposed to be losing our shit because some Eastern European gold digger plagiarized a portion of a Michelle Obama speech from 8 years ago. The amount of corruption in American politics is staggering and yet this is the stuff that grabs peoples attention.

Personally I care about issues of substantive importance, education, jobs and such not this trivial nonsense.

UK2K
07-19-2016, 11:34 AM
i could not care any less whether or not Donald Trump's wife used some lines from Michelle Obama's speech.

Who honestly cares about something like that?
People trying to ignore the other, more important speeches.

UK2K
07-19-2016, 11:35 AM
Post info about your university's checker. It is probably checking against university papers and not political speeches which it would have no reason to check against.
You think you could plagiarize a political speech at a university and turn it in as your own and the software WOULDNT catch it...

Is that what you're suggesting?

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 11:38 AM
The liberal Hillary Clinton supporter funded media is trying to make this one generic paragraph in the speech in to a big deal to avoid addressing the rest of the convention, for example Pat Smith's speech that absolutely decimated Hillary's integrity.

dude77
07-19-2016, 12:10 PM
that piece of shit obama, probably his tranny wife and everyone else has 'taken' or drawn from other speeches .. someone bring that shit up already .. some of these trump surrogates are slow as fk .. get on the ball .. clinton news network as usual running with this shit and ignoring the rest of the speakers yesterday

https://twitter.com/Cernovich?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

oh the horror
07-19-2016, 12:15 PM
Trump supporters even faced with being embarrassed time and time again by this shit campaign double down.


That's impressive douchebaggery.

dude77
07-19-2016, 12:16 PM
Trump supporters even faced with being embarrassed time and time again by this shit campaign double down.


That's impressive douchebaggery.


the irony .. dumb fk .. do some research and stop embarrassing yourself

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 12:19 PM
Trump supporters even faced with being embarrassed time and time again by this shit campaign double down.


That's impressive douchebaggery.



Democrats like you are shook and afraid to address the best and most important speech of the night. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuEf4MSRkiE)


That is why you are trying to make this about Melania.

Facepalm
07-19-2016, 12:22 PM
that piece of shit obama, probably his tranny wife and everyone else has 'taken' or drawn from other speeches .. someone bring that shit up already .. some of these trump surrogates are slow as fk .. get on the ball .. clinton news network as usual running with this shit and ignoring the rest of the speakers yesterday

https://twitter.com/Cernovich?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor
https://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-14-2015/DWKszn.gif

dude77
07-19-2016, 12:29 PM
https://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-14-2015/DWKszn.gif

read fggts .. then try and talk shit about this speech .. obama, biden, probably michael, are all plagiarists

obama and biden plagarize speeches/articles who knows what else (https://twitter.com/Cernovich?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

Facepalm
07-19-2016, 12:34 PM
read fggts .. then try and talk shit about this speech

obama and biden plagarize speeches/articles who knows what else (https://twitter.com/Cernovich?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
https://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-14-2015/DWKszn.gif

:roll: :roll: :roll:

dude77
07-19-2016, 12:42 PM
BLOWN THE **** OUT

michael obama plagiarized 2008 speech .. clinton, biden are plagiarists as well (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/)

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 12:48 PM
BLOWN THE **** OUT

michael obama plagiarized 2008 speech .. clinton, biden are plagiarists as well (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/)
Facts? Real life? How dare you!

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 12:57 PM
So a program that is connected to one of the biggest databases in the country, used by all big universities in the nation including mine, is lying?:oldlol:

Why do libs deny facts when its presented to them?
Is this a joke?

:oldlol: :oldlol:


How about you just listen to the speech with your own ears...they are word for word the same fcking speech :oldlol:


https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/4g4VTepb4pmjNG5H6618iw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjIwO2g9NjkxO2lsPX BsYW5l/https://67.media.tumblr.com/410e9305730c83d7d11782b3cc8674f4/tumblr_inline_o3dpeimvsQ1t4foom_1280.jpg

Stay classy Melina

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 01:03 PM
it was just one passage, but it was pretty clear it was the same.

Also can you imagine Trump saying your word is your bond?

dude77
07-19-2016, 01:06 PM
How about you just listen to the speech with your own ears...they are word for word the same fcking speech :oldlol:





^another retarded dem embarrassing himself .. do some research stupid fk

and democrats now calling out women in bikinis ? .. you fggts don't even know where you stand

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 01:07 PM
it was just one passage, but it was pretty clear it was the same.

Also can you imagine Trump saying your word is your bond?


michael obama plagiarized 2008 speech .. clinton, biden are plagiarists as well (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/)
:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 01:09 PM
^another retarded dem embarrassing himself .. do some research stupid fk

and democrats now calling out women in bikinis ? .. you fggts don't even know where you stand
I'm not a dem...the speech was stolen...give it up

UK2K
07-19-2016, 01:10 PM
it was just one passage, but it was pretty clear it was the same.

Also can you imagine Trump saying your word is your bond?

Out of an 8 minute speech...

Anything to distract away from the mother of the Benghazi victim who specifically called Clinton out by name, and then called her a liar.

west_tip
07-19-2016, 01:10 PM
Thanks for bringing that to light dude77. So, Joe Biden didn't know how to properly cite by the time he got to law school? He spent 4 years at the University of Delaware studying Politics and History but he wasn't taught how to attribute his sources correctly?

Sounds like his postsecondary education deserves an asterisk.

NumberSix
07-19-2016, 01:11 PM
You have a campaign with a strong contingent of white nationalists supporting it.
You have a Trump supporting US congressman who just went openly white supremacist on national TV yesterday
Who are you talking about?

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 01:11 PM
I'm not a dem...the speech was stolen...give it up
3 generic lines were lifted. The speech was 8 minutes long. I am going to take a wild guess and say that you haven't even seen the full speech :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Nanners
07-19-2016, 01:14 PM
https://streamable.com/a2lc :oldlol:

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 01:18 PM
https://streamable.com/a2lc :oldlol:
It's amusing because Michelle plagiarized that same 2008 speech. The circle of life.

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 01:23 PM
No embarrassment.

Nothing to discuss.

Already ran it.

Only libs want to argue this.

PJR
07-19-2016, 01:32 PM
The Trump campaign and all of it's supporters are CLOWN shoes :roll: :roll: :roll:


Goodness gracious I've been laughing at Melania's "speech" for hours. How embarrassing. I know the Obama's got a good chuckle out of that shit. :lol

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 01:34 PM
The Trump campaign and all of it's supporters are CLOWN shoes :roll: :roll: :roll:


Goodness gracious I've been laughing at Melania's "speech" for hours. How embarrassing. I know the Obama's got a good chuckle out of that shit. :lol
That's pretty pathetic, bro.

hitmanyr2k
07-19-2016, 01:39 PM
It was a crap first day for the convention...empty seats early on, steamrolling grassroots delegates, then the hate-filled fear mongering speeches from D-List celebrity cretins, and then speech-gate. I'm not sure it can get any worse.

senelcoolidge
07-19-2016, 01:40 PM
BLOWN THE **** OUT

michael obama plagiarized 2008 speech .. clinton, biden are plagiarists as well (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/)

Remind the piece of sh#t media about this. That's all their talking about..they are so worthless. They need to be gutted.

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 01:47 PM
It was a crap first day for the convention...empty seats early on, steamrolling grassroots delegates, then the hate-filled fear mongering speeches from D-List celebrity cretins, and then speech-gate. I'm not sure it can get any worse.
The people attending the convention were very happy. Overwhelming majority were cheering for Trump and doing "we want trump" chants. There was a tiny minority of Never Trumpers who caused a bit of annoyance in the beginning but that was cleared up after only an hour.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you watched the Don Lemon highlights of the convention and didn't actually watch the convention while it was happening.

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 01:48 PM
https://streamable.com/a2lc :oldlol:
But my college computer said she wrote it herself!

PJR
07-19-2016, 01:48 PM
It was a crap first day for the convention...empty seats early on, steamrolling grassroots delegates, then the hate-filled fear mongering speeches from D-List celebrity cretins, and then speech-gate. I'm not sure it can get any worse.

These fools can't even run a CONVENTION, and they expect to be able to run the entire country? :oldlol:


Hilary, with all her baggage, served this race on a silver platter to a REAL republican candidate, and the best you right wingers can do is this clown show?

Hold this L

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 01:50 PM
Who are you talking about?
Steve King of Iowa.

Dresta
07-19-2016, 01:50 PM
I really couldn't care less about this woman, but the reporting of this whole thing is really quite telling, as if what Melania Trump does or says is of some kind of genuine importance.

Why should the whole world care that one vacuous woman borrowed from another vacuous woman (who evidently borrowed from someone else)? The BBC even has this as its leading headline---i mean, seriously? This isn't news: it is drivel. How can anyone not be aware that this is pretty much a norm in politics: they all speak in empty cliches, so much so that they all sound pretty much the same to me, like one gigantic echo chamber of mindless idiocy.

Not to mention how many leading Democrat politicians (not irrelevant wives) have histories of recorded plagiarism themselves. Joe Biden is a career plagiarist, and even Obama has done things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/02/more-obama-and-patrick-006302

But an air-headed trophy wife lifts a few lines? International breaking news alert!

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 01:51 PM
No embarrassment.

Nothing to discuss.

Already ran it.

Only libs want to argue this.

Trumptards took a HARD L today...a really hard L

This is the leading story out of the convention...Melina looks like cheap euro porn star that stole from a Dem.


Just brush it off, take a nap, wake up tomorrow, and then take another L because that is all that Trumptards can do.

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 01:52 PM
I really couldn't care less about this woman, but the reporting of this whole thing is really quite telling, as if what Melania Trump does or says is of some kind of genuine importance.

Why should the whole world care that one vacuous woman borrowed from another vacuous woman (who evidently borrowed from someone else)? The BBC even has this as its leading headline---i mean, seriously? This isn't news: it is drivel. How can anyone not be aware that this is pretty much a norm in politics: they all speak in empty cliches, so much so that they all sound pretty much the same to me, like one gigantic echo chamber of mindless idiocy.

Not to mention how many leading Democrat politicians (not irrelevant wives) have histories of recorded plagiarism themselves. Joe Biden is a career plagiarist, and even Obama has done things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/02/more-obama-and-patrick-006302

But an air-headed trophy wife lifts a few lines? International breaking news alert!
The fact that he choose an "air-headed trophy wife" says tons about HIM.

No one wants that dumb whore in the white house...

hitmanyr2k
07-19-2016, 01:54 PM
I really couldn't care less about this woman, but the reporting of this whole thing is really quite telling, as if what Melania Trump does or says is of some kind of genuine importance.

Why should the whole world care that one vacuous woman borrowed from another vacuous woman (who evidently borrowed from someone else)? The BBC even has this as its leading headline---i mean, seriously? This isn't news: it is drivel. How can anyone not be aware that this is pretty much a norm in politics: they all speak in empty cliches, so much so that they all sound pretty much the same to me, like one gigantic echo chamber of mindless idiocy.

Not to mention how many leading Democrat politicians (not irrelevant wives) have histories of recorded plagiarism themselves. Joe Biden is a career plagiarist, and even Obama has done things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/02/more-obama-and-patrick-006302

But an air-headed trophy wife lifts a few lines? International breaking news alert!


You guys really need to stop getting your news from Breitbart and dullard blogs. Obama and Deval actually collaborated on that speech. Deval even sent some of his speech to David Axelrod and Obama's speechwriters to use.

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:03 PM
The Trump campaign and all of it's supporters are CLOWN shoes :roll: :roll: :roll:


Goodness gracious I've been laughing at Melania's "speech" for hours. How embarrassing. I know the Obama's got a good chuckle out of that shit. :lol
You're hysterical dude. I wouldn't expect any intelligent person to bother with these conventions, but here you are, turning the whole thing into another idiotic pseudo-political competition.


*yawn*


Honestly, the fact some of you care or are focused on this, only goes to show how easily you are led by the media: it's embarrassing, really.

senelcoolidge
07-19-2016, 02:03 PM
The left is taking an L again if they have to focus on non-issues to somehow make themselves feel better. Totally ignoring all the facts. It's propaganda..very communistic like. The media I assume has lost a lot of their credibility in the eyes of the public.

http://8482-presscdn-0-13.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/clarke-lemon.jpg
left media looking into the eyes of the truth

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 02:05 PM
The left is taking an L again if they have to focus on non-issues to somehow make themselves feel better. Totally ignoring all the facts. It's propaganda..very communistic like. The media I assume has lost a lot of their credibility in the eyes of the public.

http://8482-presscdn-0-13.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/clarke-lemon.jpg
left media looking into the eyes of the truth
I like how they completely shut down when confronted with facts that contradict their narrative. It's like you can see the gears stop turning as they overload, right before they go to their factory default plan B of moving the goalposts. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAu44wVgb58)

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 02:07 PM
The left is taking an L again if they have to focus on non-issues to somehow make themselves feel better. Totally ignoring all the facts. It's propaganda..very communistic like. The media I assume has lost a lot of their credibility in the eyes of the public.

http://8482-presscdn-0-13.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/clarke-lemon.jpg
left media looking into the eyes of the truth
:lol :lol :lol

That shit cracks me up every time since NY posted the original video.

The CNN post game show was hilarious too.

Lemon guy wanted to go home while his colleagues was praising Clarke and calling him an American hero. Life is good. lol

KingBeasley08
07-19-2016, 02:08 PM
The left is taking an L again if they have to focus on non-issues to somehow make themselves feel better. Totally ignoring all the facts. It's propaganda..very communistic like. The media I assume has lost a lot of their credibility in the eyes of the public.

http://8482-presscdn-0-13.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/clarke-lemon.jpg
left media looking into the eyes of the truth
Only agenda media has is good ratings. Based on how much this is blowing up on twitter, this is what people wanna watch and know about

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 02:09 PM
:lol :lol :lol

That shit cracks me up every time since NY posted the original video.

The CNN post game show was hilarious too.
Don Lemon's show has quickly become one of the best comedies on television going right now :lol

The world needs Clarke vs Lemon 2.

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 02:09 PM
https://pics.onsizzle.com/i-have-a-dream-melania-trump-burrardstreetjournal-com-melania-trump-i-3097965.png

:lol

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:09 PM
You guys really need to stop getting your news from Breitbart and dullard blogs. Obama and Deval actually collaborated on that speech. Deval even sent some of his speech to David Axelrod and Obama's speechwriters to use.
You have serious brain damage if you can't recognise that this post of yours is both a red herring and a straw man. Fallacies galore with you!

I've probably read about five Breitbart articles in my entire life btw. I don't live and base my political understanding on the drivel fed to me by the political news media (unlike you, who probably thinks the New York Times is a bastion of objective information). But sure, keep peddling those complete non-arguments, and pretending it makes you smart and sophisticated :oldlol: .


Clown.

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 02:12 PM
Don Lemon's show has quickly become one of the best comedies on television going right now :lol

The world needs Clarke vs Lemon 2.

Seriously.

It was a comedy skit.

Liberal Lemon thought he would be shooting the shit with his fellow brother. Then fellow brother proceeds to go ape shit on him.

Lemon goes on a shook rampage.

:oldlol:

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:13 PM
Only agenda media has is good ratings. Based on how much this is blowing up on twitter, this is what people wanna watch and know about
It also has a tendency to focus on the trivial, while much larger and more important issues pass unnoticed.

How many people know that the US is supporting and aiding an incredibly destructive bombing campaign in Yemen right now, for example? 10-20% tops?

The media is not doing its job; it's ceased to serve the function that was its only real use (that of keeping power accountable).

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 02:14 PM
https://pics.onsizzle.com/atic-convention-melania-trump-denver-e-and-hiscrew-wsitour-website-3097947.png

:lol

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 02:17 PM
It also has a tendency to focus on the trivial, while much larger and more important issues pass unnoticed.

How many people know that the US is supporting and aiding an incredibly destructive bombing campaign in Yemen right now, for example? 10-20% tops?

The media is not doing its job; it's ceased to serve the function that was its only real use (that of keeping power accountable).
Yemen is a nation where 95% of the population are constantly high on amphetamines and cathinone all day long.

That place is hopeless. All the same, the people don't deserve the shit that's happening to them.

PJR
07-19-2016, 02:20 PM
https://pics.onsizzle.com/atic-convention-melania-trump-denver-e-and-hiscrew-wsitour-website-3097947.png

:lol


:lol :lol :lol

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 02:22 PM
https://pics.onsizzle.com/atic-convention-melania-trump-denver-e-and-hiscrew-wsitour-website-3097947.png

:lol

There was a video posted to compare the two and Melania was so graceful and elegant while Michelle was muscle and hormones.

Melania is like the First Lady and Michelle is the First Lad.

hitmanyr2k
07-19-2016, 02:25 PM
You have serious brain damage if you can't recognise that this post of yours is both a red herring and a straw man. Fallacies galore with you!

I've probably read about five Breitbart articles in my entire life btw. I don't live and base my political understanding on the drivel fed to me by the political news media (unlike you, who probably thinks the New York Times is a bastion of objective information). But sure, keep peddling those complete non-arguments, and pretending it makes you smart and sophisticated :oldlol: .


Clown.

You don't base your political understanding on political news media but you're the smart guy that links to political news media and says "Even Obama did this" with no context whatsoever. The dullards on this site :oldlol:

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:27 PM
The fact that he choose an "air-headed trophy wife" says tons about HIM.

No one wants that dumb whore in the white house...
And what does wedding themselves to cynical ambition incarnate say about the Clintons? A marriage for the sake of power?

I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...


This is an irrelevant non-issue, it is not international breaking news--the fact it is being reported as if it were, makes me wonder why.

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 02:30 PM
And what does wedding themselves to cynical ambition incarnate say about the Clintons? A marriage for the sake of power?

I'm sure you don't want to go down that road...


This is an irrelevant non-issue, it is not international breaking news--the fact it is being reported as if it were, makes me wonder why.

This.

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 02:31 PM
Melania is a beautiful and proud immigrant who loves her adopted country.

Of course the Dems are tearing in to her. This is what typical women in the Democratic party look like these days:

http://www.highlandbeachholidayinn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Dye-Your-Armpit-Hair1.jpg

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/114/516/5cf.png

This Melania hate from the left is based on desperation and jelly.

west_tip
07-19-2016, 02:33 PM
It also has a tendency to focus on the trivial, while much larger and more important issues pass unnoticed.

How many people know that the US is supporting and aiding an incredibly destructive bombing campaign in Yemen right now, for example? 10-20% tops?

The media is not doing its job; it's ceased to serve the function that was its only real use (that of keeping power accountable).

Agreed.

Unfortunately as a society we are producing mediocre thinkers who want entertainment rather than information from their news media. The decline in newspaper readership (especially amongst the young) and the prevalence of social media is exacerbating this trend.

The United States has fallen further and further behind other industrialized nations in terms of educational attainment and it is painfully apparent when you see what captures peoples attention.

imdaman99
07-19-2016, 02:34 PM
I don't care enough about this but it's obvious how butthurt the Trumpwagon is if they are going so far to defend it :oldlol:

TheMan
07-19-2016, 02:36 PM
BLOWN THE **** OUT

michael obama plagiarized 2008 speech .. clinton, biden are plagiarists as well (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/19/melania-trump-plagiarism-hillary-biden-barack-michelle/)
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-14-2015/DWKszn.gif
:oldlol:

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:37 PM
You don't base your political understanding on political news media but you're the smart guy that links to political news media and says "Even Obama did this" with no context whatsoever. The dullards on this site :oldlol:
I stated a fact, and you got all butthurt about it. What context is needed aside from the fact he lifted material that was not his and used it for his own purposes? And yeah, I didn't get that information from the site I posted (learn to read): I stated in my post that I can't hear the repetitious stock-cliches of politicians without rolling my eyes, and having feelings of deja vu, and simply searched for an example for your benefit, not for mine. I deliberately selected a source that could never be confused as "right-wing" for that reason. Here's another one, from a liberal publication:

https://newrepublic.com/article/40137/does-any-candidate-not-plagiarize

Unfortunately, you're too much of a raging ignoramus to grasp even these very simple points; do you think you can hide your own stupidity from yourself by calling other people dullards? Such conceited stupidity will catch up with you one day.

BoutPractice
07-19-2016, 02:41 PM
Come on, even the Trump cheerleaders should be able to admit that the speech heavily borrowed from Michelle's.

Besides, it's not as if it was the Donald's fault, per se... or as if it actually matters in any way.

Biden once stole a speech from Neil Kinnock, for instance... Speechwriters sometimes screw up - who cares.

(Sometimes they get away with it too, which probably explains the times they screw up)

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 02:45 PM
Come on, even the Trump cheerleaders should be able to admit that the speech heavily borrowed from Michelle's.

Besides, it's not as if it was the Donald's fault, per se... or as if it actually matters in any way.

Biden once stole a speech from Neil Kinnock, for instance... Speechwriters sometimes screw up - who cares.

(Sometimes they get away with it too, which probably explains the times they screw up)
20 seconds of similarity in an 8 minute speech="heavily borrowed"?

Dresta
07-19-2016, 02:56 PM
Come on, even the Trump cheerleaders should be able to admit that the speech heavily borrowed from Michelle's.

Besides, it's not as if it was the Donald's fault, per se... or as if it actually matters in any way.

Biden once stole a speech from Neil Kinnock, for instance... Speechwriters sometimes screw up - who cares.

(Sometimes they get away with it too, which probably explains the times they screw up)
What i've been saying isn't any different to this, but of course, it elicits hostile responses from the anti-Trump fanatics on here. Asking "who the f*ck cares" got some angry straw-manning going from these people, accusations about something called "breitbart" (some new obsession) and other irrelevant things.

I'm just curious as to why such a non-event is made into international headline news; tis strange to me, because none of it interests me in the slightest (i mean, most of America's absurdly long Presidential process is not worth following, and I haven't watched an actual convention in about a decade--they are a massive waste of time and effort); the whole thing is a charade.

And op is obviously trolling because plagiarism detectors don't work like that. If it was completely "original" (which nothing ever is) it would be 0%, not 100.

hitmanyr2k
07-19-2016, 03:00 PM
I stated a fact, and you got all butthurt about it. What context is needed aside from the fact he lifted material that was not his and used it for his own purposes? And yeah, I didn't get that information from the site I posted (learn to read): I stated in my post that I can't hear the repetitious stock-cliches of politicians without rolling my eyes, and having feelings of deja vu, and simply searched for an example for your benefit, not for mine. I deliberately selected a source that could never be confused as "right-wing" for that reason. Here's another one, from a liberal publication:

https://newrepublic.com/article/40137/does-any-candidate-not-plagiarize

Unfortunately, you're too much of a raging ignoramus to grasp even these very simple points; do you think you can hide your own stupidity from yourself by calling other people dullards? Such conceited stupidity will catch up with you one day.

The fact is you linked to the article with no context. I gave you the facts why it's not the same situation and now you're filling in the back story of your whole elaborate thought process of how you link to articles like I give a shit :oldlol: The context that was needed was exactly what I pointed out. Nothing was actually "lifted". If Deval and Obama were collaborating and Deval was sending Obama's speech writers the phrases to use to combat a narrative how is that supposed to be lifting anything?

1987_Lakers
07-19-2016, 03:00 PM
I know I'm late on this but apparently Melania got rick rolled???:oldlol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtzdP7mR-4

Either Trump is the greatest troll ever or the speech writers hated this girl's guts.

1987_Lakers
07-19-2016, 03:03 PM
Ya, Trump has to be trolling. Just look at this....

https://i.sli.mg/709OfU.jpg

StephHamann
07-19-2016, 03:05 PM
Ya, Trump has to be trolling. Just look at this....

https://i.sli.mg/709OfU.jpg

:roll: :applause:

Dresta
07-19-2016, 03:17 PM
The fact is you linked to the article with no context. I gave you the facts why it's not the same situation and now you're filling in the back story of your whole elaborate thought process of how you link to articles like I give a shit :oldlol: The context that was needed was exactly what I pointed out. Nothing was actually "lifted". If Deval and Obama were collaborating and Deval was sending Obama's speech writers the phrases to use to combat a narrative how is that supposed to be lifting anything?
Copying someone else's words verbatim is copying someone else's words verbatim, no matter what else you try to portray it as. How is it "collaboration" to take the words someone else used a year ago for your own? It's imitation at best. I never said it was the "same situation": no two incidents are the same, they are just of the same class. Stop being such a partisan hack. If the same person who wrote Michelle's speech had written this one would it be ok? Is that what you're saying? Because that is the implication of the mind-numbingly idiotic argument you are trying to make.

But yeah, go back to my first post, when you started abusing me simply because I said this whole thing was a complete non-story. You're a shameless piece of shit.

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 03:28 PM
Ya, Trump has to be trolling. Just look at this....

https://i.sli.mg/709OfU.jpg


yeah, this whole thing feels like a satire.

Also, Melania claims Trump would never let her down. Except he's too lazy to not have an incompetent campaign, to lazy to keep from being humiliated shortly after saying those words. (http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/12225272/melania-trump-plagiarism-matters)[QUOTE]He hasn

TheMan
07-19-2016, 03:31 PM
I don't care enough about this but it's obvious how butthurt the Trumpwagon is if they are going so far to defend it :oldlol:
For real though :oldlol:

They all got their panties in a bunch, what a sight to behold :roll:

TheMan
07-19-2016, 03:37 PM
Ya, Trump has to be trolling. Just look at this....

https://i.sli.mg/709OfU.jpg
Holy shit!

Trump GOAT troll :bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

I'm starting to really like Trump as POTUS, imagine the shits and giggles of his presidency :roll:

Dresta
07-19-2016, 03:39 PM
yeah, this whole thing feels like a satire.

Also, Melania claims Trump would never let her down. Except he's too lazy to not have an incompetent campaign, to lazy to keep from being humiliated shortly after saying those words. (http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/12225272/melania-trump-plagiarism-matters)

Also no one is getting fired over this, which pretty much confirms Melania added that part herself.
Wait a minute: is it satire, or is it laziness? It can't be both now, come on.

Dresta
07-19-2016, 03:40 PM
Holy shit!

Trump GOAT troll :bowdown: :applause: :bowdown:

I'm starting to really like Trump as POTUS, imagine the shits and giggles of his presidency :roll:
I'd like some confirmation that the Obama quote isn't a fake, but if it isn't, then that is hilarious.

KingBeasley08
07-19-2016, 04:06 PM
Sadly that Obama quote is indeed fake. Too bad, that shit was funny as hell

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 04:47 PM
Usually the liberal left would give an immigrant a pass when English is their 2nd language. In this instance it is Melania's 7th language but that doesn't matter because she is a beautiful woman.

So they will bash her.

dude77
07-19-2016, 04:52 PM
the donald is just on another level .. a genius .. he had us ALL fooled on this one .. we'll never witness this type of greatness in the annals of the political world .. enjoy him while he's around ..



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnvvgWKXgAA4GbM.jpg

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 04:54 PM
the donald is just on another level .. a genius .. he had us ALL fooled on this one .. we'll never witness this type of greatness in the annals of the political world .. enjoy him while he's around ..



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnvvgWKXgAA4GbM.jpg
exactly.

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 04:58 PM
Usually the liberal left would give an immigrant a pass when English is their 2nd language. In this instance it is Melania's 7th language but that doesn't matter because she is a beautiful woman.

So they will bash her.
This is BORAT level stupidity.

Plagiarism has nothing to do with language skills.

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 05:01 PM
[SIZE="4"]the donald is just on another level .. a genius .. he had us ALL fooled on this one .. we'll never witness this type of greatness in the annals of the political world .. enjoy him while he's around

This is stupidity I don't even have a frame of reference for.

You know what I'll do to spread my message? I'll humiliate my wife on the world stage. And I'll do it during the GOP convention and have it overshadow every other thing that was done or said.

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 05:11 PM
This is stupidity I don't even have a frame of reference for.

You know what I'll do to spread my message? I'll humiliate my wife on the world stage. And I'll do it during the GOP convention and have it overshadow every other thing that was done or said.
You are a puppet dancing for the Donald. Congratulations :cheers:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnvvgWKXgAA4GbM.jpg

NumberSix
07-19-2016, 05:19 PM
This is stupidity I don't even have a frame of reference for.

You know what I'll do to spread my message? I'll humiliate my wife on the world stage. And I'll do it during the GOP convention and have it overshadow every other thing that was done or said.
You're a dumb guy if you think the Trump campaign keeps creating controversy by accident.

Who do you think even tipped it off that a couple sentences of a 17 minute speech are the same. Don't tell me you actually believe 'journalists" watching that speech were like "wait a minute, I recognize those 15 seconds of generic cliches from a speech I heard 8 years ago"?

oh the horror
07-19-2016, 05:23 PM
Ah the ol' classic "when I make a huge mistake it's because I MEANT to do that" routine eh?



You boys really believe that shit? :oldlol:



That's what makes him a troll. he doesn't "lose" because he owns up to being a loser and then spins it like it was some victory. While the rest of us are just enjoying the tire fire that is his campaign.

dude77
07-19-2016, 05:31 PM
This is stupidity I don't even have a frame of reference for.

You know what I'll do to spread my message? I'll humiliate my wife on the world stage. And I'll do it during the GOP convention and have it overshadow every other thing that was done or said.

it is going to get him elected you dunce .. that is all that matters .. and this little story will be forgotten .. pay attention

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 05:35 PM
Ah the ol' classic "when I make a huge mistake it's because I MEANT to do that" routine eh?



You boys really believe that shit? :oldlol:



That's what makes him a troll. he doesn't "lose" because he owns up to being a loser and then spins it like it was some victory. While the rest of us are just enjoying the tire fire that is his campaign.
Yes. That's how marketing and business works. It's a common tactic. I feel like you know very little about either field if you doubt this. It's not like these are uncommon tactics in the world of business and marketing. Trump is just introducing these marketing tactics in to the status quo world of American politics and the establishment and shills are confused and falling for it all like the puppets they are.


Have you ever read the Prince? Cesare Borgia used to do shit like this all the time. It worked in the 1400s and it still works just as well today.

You too are dancing for puppet master Trump, and you don't even realize it. Congratulations!:cheers: :cheers:

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 05:41 PM
The tolerant leftists.....
https://i.redd.it/8qti87gzf8ax.jpg

oh the horror
07-19-2016, 05:46 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/horrorm0nez/D257C248-2B50-4D7D-B746-B2CA71A8375F.jpg

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 05:51 PM
The tolerant leftists.....
https://i.redd.it/8qti87gzf8ax.jpg
Fat lefty women and white knight lefties who can only bang heffers after taking them on 5 dates are jelly. What a surprise.

Oh the horror helping to prove my point ^ :lol

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 05:58 PM
it is going to get him elected you dunce .. that is all that matters .. and this little story will be forgotten .. pay attention
I'm sure you and your alt-right friends believe that.

What racist cesspool did that originate on, anyway?

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 06:01 PM
I'm sure you and your alt-right friends believe that.

What racist cesspool did that originate on, anyway?
http://gifsb.in/dancing/barney-puppets.gif

~primetime~
07-19-2016, 06:14 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/horrorm0nez/D257C248-2B50-4D7D-B746-B2CA71A8375F.jpg
:oldlol:

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 06:36 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnwUAGGUsAA6PXs.jpg

9erempiree
07-19-2016, 06:38 PM
No need to bring it up.

I already debunked this from a university level checker.

My university >>>> Social Media

FillJackson
07-19-2016, 06:39 PM
No need to bring it up.

I already debunked this from a university level checker.

My university >>>> Social Media
you should look up what debunked means too.

dude77
07-19-2016, 06:40 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnwqxKeWIAAEVuD.jpg:large

Dr Seuss
07-19-2016, 06:45 PM
so lady trump could have spout out some other generic "im the wife of the candidate" speech and by today everyone would be saying "what the hell is a melania?"

instead they went down this route and now this is all you hear about on every news outlet and social media site.

sounds like team trump knew exactly what they were doing. :confusedshrug:

Facepalm
07-19-2016, 06:49 PM
You're a dumb guy if you think the Trump campaign keeps creating controversy by accident.

Who do you think even tipped it off that a couple sentences of a 17 minute speech are the same. Don't tell me you actually believe 'journalists" watching that speech were like "wait a minute, I recognize those 15 seconds of generic cliches from a speech I heard 8 years ago"?
:oldlol: you must be pretty flexible with all the gymnastics you are doing

Nick Young
07-19-2016, 06:50 PM
so lady trump could have spout out some other generic "im the wife of the candidate" speech and by today everyone would be saying "what the hell is a melania?"

instead they went down this route and now this is all you hear about on every news outlet and social media site.

sounds like team trump knew exactly what they were doing. :confusedshrug:
exactly. Anyone who isn't indoctrinated by the mainstream political narrative is able to see this.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 12:02 AM
No one gives a shit about Melania's speech anymore.

The conversation is only about how awesome Trumps kids are :lol


Another L for the Dems.

NumberSix
07-20-2016, 12:47 AM
:oldlol: you must be pretty flexible with all the gymnastics you are doing
Lol. I'm not doing any mental gymnastics, just offering an opinion. Milania Trump could come out tomorrow and straight up admit they she purposely stole a few lines from Michelle Obama. I genuinely don't care. I'd still be of the Trump train.

KyrieTheFuture
07-20-2016, 12:59 AM
Wouldn't someone have to have submitted Michelle Obamas speech to blackboard for it to come up? Also apparently OP has been at uni for like 8 years now

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 01:12 AM
Wouldn't someone have to have submitted Michelle Obamas speech to blackboard for it to come up? Also apparently OP has been at uni for like 8 years now
Did you know that some people study in post graduate and masters courses and doctorates? :confusedshrug:

Lamar Doom
07-20-2016, 02:35 AM
I'm so disappointed in you Insidehoops, there was a time we would laugh at this story. Look at what a big f*cking deal you've made it. Good grief. GOOD GRIEF.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 02:51 AM
I'm so disappointed in you Insidehoops, there was a time we would laugh at this story. Look at what a big f*cking deal you've made it. Good grief. GOOD GRIEF.
blame the libtard media for making a mountain out of a molehill brah.

Lamar Doom
07-20-2016, 02:55 AM
blame the libtard media for making a mountain out of a molehill brah.

I really just want some good ol' post-a-pic/video/link and we all make fun of it. Hostility overload 'round these parts my dude.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 03:13 AM
I didn't think it was that funny.

It was like 1 paragraph of generic lines. The rest of the speech was pleasant and heart felt. English is not Melania's first language and she isn't a politician or trained orator. I see no reason to mock her, she did her best and overall presented herself well.

Did you watch the entire speech or just the mashup sound bites of the one paragraph that was lifted? I seriously doubt that Melania told her writers to steal Michelle's lines verbatim. She's not retarded.

This was either a mistake on the speechwriters part, or Trump did this on purpose to play the media. Either way-who cares?

I don't think it's funny to mock immigrants who have English as their second language. She tried her best and seemed like she genuinely loved her husband and family. It is pretty obvious that the blame lies on the speech writer's part.

But if you want to make fun of her, that's cool. Go for it, no one's stopping you.

NumberSix
07-20-2016, 04:07 AM
I actually now hope that Trump blatantly plagiarizes Obama in his speech.

rufuspaul
07-20-2016, 09:20 AM
http://ilovemyfreedom.org/everyones-criticizing-melania-speech-look-obama-twice/

Facepalm
07-20-2016, 10:10 AM
Scientific Proof That Melania Trump

UK2K
07-20-2016, 10:23 AM
[QUOTE=Facepalm]Scientific Proof That Melania Trump

Hawker
07-20-2016, 10:30 AM
[QUOTE=Facepalm]Scientific Proof That Melania Trump

PJR
07-20-2016, 10:47 AM
Can I just point out that two days later, you are STILL talking about Trump.

The more I see posts on this, the more I think this was done on purpose.

#Trump and #MelaniaTrump were trending for two days. Dude is a PR master. :oldlol:

Tell us more about how the sentence structure aligns with the stars. Make sure you #Trump while you're at it.

People are talking about Trump, because they are making fun of him and how much of a joke his campaign has been. It's not positive PR. :oldlol:

PJR
07-20-2016, 10:52 AM
Who gives a shit?

Anyone who doesn't want some Bimbo trophy wife to be representing the country as First Lady. It would be too embarrassing.

I can't blame her for plagiarizing Michelle Obama, though. That's a great woman, who is class personified, and heavily degreed.

Hawker
07-20-2016, 11:05 AM
Anyone who doesn't want some Bimbo trophy wife to be representing the country as First Lady. It would be too embarrassing.

I can't blame her for plagiarizing Michelle Obama, though. That's a great woman, who is class personified, and heavily degreed.

She speaks five languages. How many can Michelle speak?

Melania is much more wordly and classy than Michelle. Eastern European women > american women.

Why should I care what people think about the first lady? That's all just empty image bullshit.

UK2K
07-20-2016, 11:36 AM
People are talking about Trump, because they are making fun of him and how much of a joke his campaign has been. It's not positive PR. :oldlol:

That's why Clinton can outspend him 40-1 and still be behind in several polls...

Cause there's no such thing as bad PR.

Welcome to the big leagues, kid.

SCREWstonRockets
07-20-2016, 12:18 PM
its called sampling you jerkoffs

http://i.imgur.com/4y0iSqx.jpg

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 12:27 PM
People are talking about Trump, because they are making fun of him and how much of a joke his campaign has been. It's not positive PR. :oldlol:
goddamn dude you and facepalm seem desperate for this to be a thing. Normal regular people don't care anymore. It is obvious to the common American that the speechwriter messed up. It was only one paragraph and the rest of the speech was great and Melania presented herself with poise and dignity.


If want to continue to bleat "LOL MELANIA AND TRUMP R DUM DOE THEY GOT BAD PUBLICITY LAWL" by all means continue, just know you are doing exactly what Trump wants you to do :roll:

You have effectively turned yourself in to a Trumpet for Trump.


If you truly want to hurt his campaign and damage his chances of winning-STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM.


If it isn't clear to you by now that he is purposefully doing this polarizing shit because it generates free publicity from plebes like you who can't get his name out of your mouth, you are a lost cause.

Facepalm
07-20-2016, 12:51 PM
goddamn dude you and facepalm seem desperate for this to be a thing. Normal regular people don't care anymore.

Says the guy who keeps blathering about Clinton and the KKK. :oldlol:

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 01:00 PM
Says the guy who keeps blathering about Clinton and the KKK. :oldlol:
Perhaps because Clinton herself acknowledged that KKK leader Robert Byrd was her "close friend" and "mentor":confusedshrug: Perhaps because Clinton is responsible for the mass incarceration of blacks in America and refers to black people as "Super predators" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uCrA7ePno)

Does it bother you to hear that?

I am doing my civic duty and attempting to educate the American voters and give them the truth about Clinton.

Keep on trumpeting for Trump if it helps you feel good about yourself, just know that all you are doing is giving him free marketing. :cheers:

NumberSix
07-20-2016, 01:43 PM
Perhaps because Clinton herself acknowledged that KKK leader Robert Byrd was her "close friend" and "mentor":confusedshrug: Perhaps because Clinton is responsible for the mass incarceration of blacks in America and refers to black people as "Super predators" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uCrA7ePno)

Does it bother you to hear that?

I am doing my civic duty and attempting to educate the American voters and give them the truth about Clinton.

Keep on trumpeting for Trump if it helps you feel good about yourself, just know that all you are doing is giving him free marketing. :cheers:
Robert Byrd and Al Gore's dad did everything they could to try to block the civil rights act.

Dresta
07-20-2016, 01:44 PM
Scientific Proof That Melania Trump’s Speech Was Definitely Stolen From Michelle Obama

George Dvorsky
5 minutes agoFiled to: MATHEMATICS

“Your word is your bond.” Maybe so, but is it your word? (Image: Associated Press)
Following Melania’s now-infamous speech from the Republican Convention, a Canadian physicist has calculated the odds of those words and phrases appearing in the same order as Michelle Obama’s speech eight years ago. Looking at his answer, let’s just say it would be a coincidence of cosmic proportions.

According to Canadian physicist and McGill University professor Robert Rutledge, the odds are 1 in 87 million. To put that into perspective, that’s about 7,000 times less likely than winning the lottery (the 6/49 to be exact), and about 9,000 times less likely than being struck by lightning—twice, in a lifetime.


Rutledge decided to do the calculation after listening to several Republicans defend Melania, the wife of Republican nominee Donald Trump, arguing there are only so many words in the English language, and that she was bound to use some of the words and phrases used by Michelle Obama. Paul Manafort of the Trump campaign rushed to Melania’s defense, saying it wasn’t a big deal, and that there are only so many words in the English language. It was even argued that Twilight Sparkle said it first, and that only a small fraction of the speech was plagiarized, which apparently makes it okay.


As Rutledge told Global News, “I thought, ‘that’s sort of silly.’ I’m a physicist, so when things come up that you can mathematically model, that’s sort of the thing we do.” The physicist then asked a basic, calculable question, “What is the probability that, giving Melania Trump the same distinct phrases as used by Michelle Obama, they are used in exactly the same order?” He came up with 14 “distinct” phases in both speeches, i.e. phrases replaceable with synonyms, and came up with this N factorial formula:

14*13*12*11*10*9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1
“According to this calculation, there are a grand total of about 87 billion different permutations for those 14 distinct phrases,” noted Rutledge at his Facebook page. “That’s 87,000,000,000—or about the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy.”

Hmmm, wondering the odds that Melania and her defenders will actually understand this calculation...lol, you can't calculate a probability for such a thing--that is nothing but sophistry. It is not a calculable or probabilistic question, because the brain doesn't work like that. And language doesn't work like that either--each permutation is not as likely as the next because these liftings were well-known idioms of the english language, so common as to be trite, or even cliched; most people actually think in cliches, but that doesn't mean they're consciously copying them, or that they're plagiarising when they use them. I mean, a bland speech about working hard and keeping your word is hardly very original, even when Michelle Obama gave it; these are only ideas that have been around for thousands and thousands of years.

That you think this nonsense is a kind a proof is hilarious--it is pure scientism. That you go to a physicist to understand things about language is really quite cute. If you ever wrote anything interesting yourself (or read much at all) you would know that it's actually rather easy to repeat whole sentences of something you read months ago, just because you've absorbed the concept so completely that it seems organic when you repeat it. Truth is, almost everything you say and think is a borrowing of sorts, especially when you obsess about the day-to-day political grind as you so clearly do.

I say all this even though I think it is most likely that this was done deliberately--because copying from Michelle Obama is no coincidence, and about as likely to be coincidental as the similarity of chosen language. But sorry if the borrowing of trite political cliches doesn't alarm me, because in my eyes, this is what all politicians do--having speechwriters move the language around doesn't make it any less trite, or any more worth listening to. Listening to political speeches has been a waste of time for years. So enough with the pseudo-scientific bullshit already.



Anyone who doesn't want some Bimbo trophy wife to be representing the country as First Lady. It would be too embarrassing.

I can't blame her for plagiarizing Michelle Obama, though. That's a great woman, who is class personified, and heavily degreed.
:roll:

Ok buddy..."heavily degreed" you must be.


There is nothing classy about that speech; it was sentimental and cliched drivel when Michelle Obama delivered it, and even more so when Melania Trump copied it. They're both essentially empty speeches, completely devoid of any kind substance, or intelligent or even remotely original thought. There is nothing classy about banality.

senelcoolidge
07-20-2016, 02:28 PM
:facepalm left media is still talking about this.

DonDadda59
07-20-2016, 03:23 PM
Lock Her Up.

[INDENT]

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:39 PM
[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Lock Her Up.

[INDENT]

UK2K
07-20-2016, 03:41 PM
now THIS is 'proof'

I mean for morons who didn't think the fact they are identical wasn't proof enough.

I think everyone could agree those three sentences of that 8 minute speech were copied.

I bet she copied other speeches in the other 218 lines of her speech as well.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 03:41 PM
now THIS is 'proof'

I mean for morons who didn't think the fact they are identical wasn't proof enough.
So you are trying to condemn Melania now because she admires Michelle Obama and sees her as a role model?:confusedshrug:

The speechwriter messed up in a moment of miscommunication and confusion. Melania's first language isn't English and it is completely normal for her to look at other similar speeches as an example.

This is still a non-story.

rufuspaul
07-20-2016, 03:41 PM
now THIS is 'proof'

I mean for morons who didn't think the fact they are identical wasn't proof enough.


What a scoop! It's like the Pentagon Papers!!!

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 03:43 PM
What a scoop! It's like the Pentagon Papers!!!
It's just like Hillary's email scandal, or her exploits in Benghazi. Oh wait-IT'S EVEN WORSE.

Melania should be jailed for her crimes against humanity.

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:46 PM
So you are trying to condemn Melania now because she admires Michelle Obama and sees her as a role model?:confusedshrug:

The speechwriter messed up in a moment of miscommunication and confusion. Melania's first language isn't English and it is completely normal for her to look at other similar speeches as an example.

This is still a non-story.
It has to eat most Obama/Dem hating Republicans alive that she is an Obama stan.

It's hilarious

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 03:48 PM
It has to eat most Obama/Dem hating Republicans alive that she is an Obama stan.

It's hilarious
Not really. She's a first lady in waiting. It makes sense that she admires first ladies who came before her. She has also expressed admiration for Jackie O in the past. She is an individual and allowed to look up to and admire whoever she wants to. This is America.

Again, no one cares at all about this complete non-issue apart from lefty shills desperately grasping at straws :lol

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:49 PM
It's just like Hillary's email scandal, or her exploits in Benghazi. Oh wait-IT'S EVEN WORSE.

Melania should be jailed for her crimes against humanity.
yeah nice try...no one is saying she should be jailed

everyone is just making fun of her :oldlol:


How embarrassing...she probably shouldn't stand in front of a mic until it is obvious that Trump has lost.

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:51 PM
Again, no one cares at all about this
:lol okay:lol

meanwhile, in the real world, it's headlining all news stations...

9erempiree
07-20-2016, 03:52 PM
To be fair....

Melania deserved to give that speech.

Did you guys see how Michelle gave the speech compared to how Melania gave it?

I'm going to make a thread about this.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 03:54 PM
To be fair....

Melania deserved to give that speech.

Did you guys see how Michelle gave the speech compared to how Melania gave it?

I'm going to make a thread about this.
Real talk

Lakers Legend#32
07-20-2016, 03:56 PM
Did the guy who started this thread mention the name of his university? Or are we all to assume it was Trump University?

9erempiree
07-20-2016, 03:57 PM
I mean the media is going to say blah blah blah....general public is going to say .....

"damn...look how better Melania delivered the speech than Michelle and look how beautiful she is."

"if Michelle is a First Lady....then Melania is Queen."


It's all to hype Melania up. There is no bad publicity.

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:58 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/17nyct.jpg

9erempiree
07-20-2016, 03:59 PM
Did the guy who started this thread mention the name of his university? Or are we all to assume it was Trump University?

Very few Division 1A top tier athletic universities in California compared to total colleges. I am in one of them.

A couple of NBA players are from my school currently.

A couple NFL quarterbacks too.

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 03:59 PM
I mean the media is going to say blah blah blah....general public is going to say .....

"damn...look how better Melania delivered the speech than Michelle and look how beautiful she is."

"if Michelle is a First Lady....then Melania is Queen."


It's all to hype Melania up. There is no bad publicity.
only morons would say that...Melania barely speaks English

9erempiree
07-20-2016, 04:00 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/17nyct.jpg

God damn that is an ugly dude.

Lakers Legend#32
07-20-2016, 04:00 PM
Still won't say what university he attends = zero credibility

9erempiree
07-20-2016, 04:02 PM
Still won't say what university he attends = zero credibility

I'm a private guy. Sorry.

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 04:05 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/17nhnt.jpg

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 04:08 PM
^Check your xenophobia bro.

Get back to me when you give a speech in front of ten million people in Slovenian. :cheers:

rufuspaul
07-20-2016, 04:38 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/melania_zps4uzb4wyj.jpg

~primetime~
07-20-2016, 04:49 PM
Yeah, saying "but Hillary did this and that" doesn't make this embarrassment go away...sorry

It's embarrassing Trumptards...just admit it, she copied an Obama speech and used it as her own, and got caught...if your wife did that shit you'd be cussing her ass out behind closed doors, as I am sure Trump did.

FillJackson
07-20-2016, 04:54 PM
Yeah, there's no evidence she "exposed national security."



Also I believe she got quite a bit of scrutiny for it.

Nick Young
07-20-2016, 04:54 PM
Yeah, saying "but Hillary did this and that" doesn't make this embarrassment go away...sorry

It's embarrassing Trumptards...just admit it, she copied an Obama speech and used it as her own, and got caught...if your wife did that shit you'd be cussing her ass out behind closed doors, as I am sure Trump did.
Not really. I know you lefties like domestic violence and abuse is ok, but normal people don't do that sort of thing. If Trump was cussing someone out behind closed doors it would be the speech writers and campaign manager, not his wife. Trump knows how this works and who is at fault.

In all likely hood he probably doesn't care. If he was worried about this issue, he wouldn't have doubled down, he would have offered a simple apology. He likes the free publicity this is generating from plebes like you.

DeuceWallaces
07-20-2016, 05:03 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/rufuspaul/melania_zps4uzb4wyj.jpg

Maybe they'll hold a 2 year witch hunt and numerous congressional hearings to get to the bottom of this plagiarized speech.

NumberSix
07-20-2016, 05:57 PM
Maybe they'll hold a 2 year witch hunt and numerous congressional hearings to get to the bottom of this plagiarized speech.
It's not a "witch hunt" when the person actually did it.